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Here's an anonymous quote describing one person's experience shortly after going to a Kunlun workshop, used with permission: After the course I had a dream/vision where a bunch of aliens/taoist immortals came and took something from inside of me. After that she decided that the practice wasn't for her! Sounds a bit like Witch's experience. I had a few experiences along these lines too. ~~~ Cam, I'm glad you brought up DMT... good angle. The DMT: Spirit Molecule book covers this issue. The author obtained permission to inject DMT into volunteers in a lab setting and was personally hoping to gain therapeutic stories from doing so. Instead he gathered the same range of experiences we are discussing from happy angelic encounters to creepy ET encounters to very ambiguous encounters where the subject wasn't really sure about whether what just happened to them was good or not. From a bottom line net benefit perspective it was a mixed bag and he says that he'll never repeat this experiment. He speculates that taking a person living in the modern world, sitting them in a laboratory, and giving them a DMT blast isn't going to be beneficial to too many people. If he were to repeat the experiment he would do it in a traditional ayahuasca ceremony type setting with an experienced shaman in a natural setting and he feels that the result of this sort of approach may be more beneficial to its subjects. Yoda

That's how I see it. Thing is though, the vision has so much depth to it, some "parts" of it are slow to change, some are not, and it's not necessarily the same from person to person and from time to time, but it's very hard to say what the character of the continuum of experience is like. If you understand the full meaning of what it means for experience to be visionary (like, that it doesn't mean it must be fuzzy or airy or short-lived or any such imposed ideas), then yes, it's all a dream and the only limitations are self-imposed intent. The trick is to see and feel the full character of one's own mind. Most people have false understanding of one's own mind. They see it too narrowly and it's too well-defined, and it's taken for granted, kind of like, "oh yea, it's my mind, of course I know what it is and of course it's mine". In reality for most people the truth is closer to "no you don't know what it is, and while you call it 'yours', it's not really working on your behalf, but is operating in a zombie state on behalf of some nebulous headless-monster-like system of crusty and unexamined belief".

Good points, all... Again, I'm not sure that "spontaneous qigong kriyas = spirit possession." I think there is a difference. For example, here's an Indian "SQ" practice that bears a lot of similarities to Kunlun: Kriya Yoga (Although, I seriously doubt that these kriyas really couldn't be stopped at will, as claimed.) But this guru has had untold number of students...so if they were all getting possessed, you think you'd have heard more about that? I guess one test is to see if others from comparative SQ practices or teachers (like Jenny Lamb) also experience the same "dark phases" (health issues & life mishaps) as Kunlunners? Or "creepy" dreams and entity visits? If so, then they are probably due to the inherent nature of SQ practices themselves, not so much the teachers or their "baggage." If not, then it may have more to do with particular teachers than the practice itself. Cat - Interesting. I have an "inactive" Kunlun friend who recently had a dream about a big snake laying on top of her.

Aha, see now we're getting somewhere... Everything we "know" is based on some fundamental assumptions. But where is the absolute proof for these base assumptions? And if none can be proved ABSOLUTELY, then neither can any other relative assumptions based upon those. Which means, nothing is known absolutely! Or can science prove we are not all in one big dream that we could all wake from one day? What we "know" is like a deeeeeply-nested NLP macro. We define and recognize things based upon the sum or our (personal and collective) experiences. Their consistency of which determines the strength of our definition of reality. The scientific method, in fact, uses reproducibility and repeatability as its "proof" of knowing. But, while that may measure the consistency of a system, it cannot prove how "real" that system itself is. I mean, an illusion could have its own set laws it consistenly operates by (like a video game). But, that doesn't mean it can't still just be a game, that is subsumed by a greater system with total override control over it.

PLEASE DON'T RIOT ... ... IT'S JUST WHAT 'THEY' WANT 'What you fight, you become.' - David Icke By David Icke As I travel around America it is clear that this country is on the brink of an economic catastrophe the like of which it has never seen. And, of course, it is not alone. A similar story can be told around the world. The foreclosure figures are fantastic as families and others lose their homes through no fault of their own on a scale that, according to current projections, is destined to become a tidal wave. The credit explosion was orchestrated through Illuminati agents and Satanists like Alan Greenspan, who represents the interests of the Illuminati's Bilderberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission and other far more exclusive and sinister secret societies. Greenspan was the long-time head of the privately-owned 'US central bank', the Federal Reserve. Once his policies had manipulated as much personal and commercial debt as possible the plug was pulled on the system to trigger what is designed to be global economic meltdown. Greenspan, who led 'the Fed' under Reagan, Father Bush, Clinton and Boy Bush, operates at a deeper level within the Illuminati network than most of their public figures, and I was told by a former Satanist, an unofficial offspring of the Rothschild family, how he remembered Greenspan at sacrifice rituals he attended: 'I can recall the Rockefellers and the Bushes attending rituals, but never having the supremacy to lead them. I still regard them as lackeys and not real brokers of occult power. Except for Alan Greenspan, most of these fellows were camp followers in the occult, primarily for the economic power and prestige. Greenspan, I recall, was a person of tremendous spiritual, occult power and could make the Bushes and the younger Rockefellers cower with just a glance.' This, then, is the man who was controlling the United States economy from 1987 to 2006 and who, as planned, oversaw the insane economic policies that led to the current global collapse. Go to another level of understanding and you can see that Greenspan and other Illuminati place-men throughout the world knew exactly what they were doing and what the outcome was planned to be. Zionist Greenspan got out just before the true scale and consequences of his manipulation came to light. It has been left to others, including his Zionist successor at the 'Fed', Ben Shalom Bernanke, to offer the 'solutions' to the problems that Greenspan and his like created. All of these 'solution' people are controlled by the same force that was, and is, behind Greenspan. This is why Obama has named blatant insiders to his 'economic team' who were fundamentally culpable in the very collapse they have been appointed to 'address'. The Zionists Tim Geitner, Larry Summers, Paul Volcker etc., who are all stalwarts of the same Bilderberg Group-Council on Foreign Relations-Trilateral Commission network as Greenspan, have no intention of finding a 'solution' that will benefit the people of America or anywhere else. Neither does Obama's Budget Director, the Zionist Peter R. Orszag. It was Orszag who advised the Russian finance ministry at the time when Zionist oligarchs were raping the Russian economy and stealing its resources and he was a financial advisor to the Icelandic central bank just before the Iceland banking system crashed. Great 'choice', Barack. During the Clinton administration, Orszag worked with Obama's White House Chief of Staff, the ultra-Zionist Rahm Emanuel, on imposing the NAFTA 'free trade' agreement that has cost incredible numbers of American jobs - exactly as planned. Emanuel served in the Israeli army and is the son of a terrorist with the notorious Irgun, one the terror groups which bombed Israel into existence after World War Two. It was Emanuel who said after Obama's election: 'You never let a serious crisis go to waste'. Emanuel, a cold and vicious piece of work, is directly controlling Obama and the White House in league with senior White House advisor, the Zionist David Axelrod, who ran the puppet 'president's' election campaign and oversees the writing of the speeches that he reads from the teleprompter screens. Emanuel: Obama's puppeteer Axelrod: Obama's voice on the teleprompter screens At least most of 'Obama's' economic place-men are fundamentally connected to the Zionist Robert E. Rubin, the Treasury Secretary under Bill Clinton, who oversaw financial deregulation that led ultimately to the current crisis. Rubin recently resigned from Citigroup after encouraging the policies that led the company to the brink of collapse. In January 2009, Rubin was named by Marketwatch as one of the '10 most unethical people in business' and his proteges and close associates are now running the US economy under Obama. Another massive blow to economic confidence came when the Zionist hedge fund crook, Bernard Madoff, revealed that he'd 'lost' $50 billion of his clients' money. He says he acted alone. No bloody chance. Other financial disasters which have collapsed the markets include American International Group (A.I.G.), the insurance giant headed by the Zionist, Maurice Greenberg. It has just announced losses of $61.7 billion for the final three months of 2008 - the biggest quarterly loss in corporate history. Greenberg is extremely close to the Zionist Henry Kissinger, one of the Illuminati's most vociferous global manipulators of the last 50 years. Kissinger was appointed chairman of A.I.G.'s International Advisory Board in 1987. Zionist Kissinger with Zionist Greenberg. Anyone see a common theme building here?? Are all these people just breathtakingly incompetent? No, no, no. Their role for the cabal is to destroy the economy and America in general by, among many other things, triggering the financial crisis and then wasting staggering amounts of borrowed money - trillions of dollars - to ensure that there is no way back. A US TV ad apparently said that if you spent a million dollars a day every day from the alleged birth of 'Christ' to today you would still not spend as much as Obama is spending in borrowed money in his 'stimulus' package - let alone the other fantastic sums on top of that to 'bail' the banks. They have worked super-fast, using fear and the Obama hype as their weapons, to throw more petrol on the fire in the full knowledge that this will make matters worse, not better. Bush's 'bail out' of the banks has disappeared from the radar with nothing to show for it and now Bush Mark 11, Mr Change, is fronting up the spending of another three trillion. The biggest recipient of bail-out money has been Maurice Greenberg's A.I.G, which has been given $180 billion in borrowed money that the American taxpayers, and their children, are now responsible for repaying. Rubin's Citigroup is in for $50 billion of borrowed 'government' money. The idea is not only to collapse the American economy, but to throw so much money at the problem (the banks mostly) as quickly as possible so that the response options of the government are zero by the time the economy really crashes on the scale that is planned. The same is being orchestrated around the world, as we see in Britain where the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, is also hurling borrowed money at the banking system only for the situation to go on getting worse. Brown was Chancellor of the Exchequer, in charge of the country's finances, right through the Blair years when he pursued policies that mirrored those of Greenspan. Now the man who was a major cause of the banking crisis in the UK is asking us to believe that he is the 'saviour' of the financial system. That's like a guy smashing someone around the head with a baseball bat and then claiming to be a hero for driving the fellah to hospital. But these people have no shame. The global economic collapse is designed to trigger a stream of 'benefits' to the Illuminati agenda. One, as I have said from the start, is to use this as an excuse to impose a global economic dictatorship controlled by a world central bank. But there are many other 'solutions' and connected 'benefits' that are planned to be exploited and we need to be streetwise to them. The one I want to emphasise here is the need to stay calm and react peacefully to what is happening. This is not easy when there is so much stress and fear around with regard to the economic present and 'future', but we need to do it all the same or we will walk straight into a massive trap that has been set for us. Let's get this straight: They want you to riot in response to the unfolding economic catastrophe and we are already seeing people falling for this. Riots in France over economic conditions Why would the authorities want people to riot? Readers of my books over the years will see the answer immediately. They want an excuse to bring in a fully-fledged Police State all over the world and people who riot in their desperation (instigated invariably by agent-provocateurs) are just the excuse they are looking for. Be very, very aware of anyone who starts rioting, or encourages others to do so, amid peaceful demonstrations. Who are they and why are they doing this when it is handing all the aces to the system to impose a Police State? They are either stupid or agents of that State. Regular readers of my newsletters will recall the one about the UK traffic warden who was suddenly given new cards authorising him to do the work of the police and to enter property without permission. His job was supposed to be just handing out tickets for illegal parking and so on. His boss would not discuss why these new cards were being issued, but a police officer friend explained all to him. The officer said the government was preparing well ahead of time for a coming 'war', during which they were expecting mass protests and rioting in the streets. The police and the military were going to be so focussed on dealing with this that other uniformed professions, like traffic wardens, private security guards, CCTV operators and many others, were going to be brought forward to do the work normally done by the police. Soon after the traffic warden approached me, the government announced that his profession was being re-designated 'civil enforcement officers', thus disconnecting them from their sole role of dealing with traffic. A few months later the government announced plans for a new group called 'accredited persons' - private security guards, CCTV operators and many others who would be given authority to do some of the work currently confined to the police. The officer told the traffic warden about a 'war', and that is planned for sure at some point. But the excuse of the war could also have been a cover-story for those people who were needed to work on the preparations, but were not to know the real reason behind it. That real reason, as we can now see, could include economic rioting after the financial collapse that the Shadow People have long known was coming because they were going to cause it - although, I stress again, a war is also being engineered involving the 'West', China and Russia. I have been stressing this point about the plan to stir up civil unrest and rioting whenever I can and now the insiders are beginning to put that thought into the public mind. 'There could be riots' is designed to communicate the theme subliminally of 'go out and riot'. It is the simple power of suggestion masquerading as 'concern'. And who should do just that than Zbigniew Brzezinski, the co-founder of the Illuminati Trilateral Commission and one of the chief mentors and controllers of Barack Obama. I won't call him 'President' Obama any longer until he produces a birth certificate to prove he is eligible for the post. Brzezinski told MSNBC: '... there's going to be growing conflict between the classes and if people are unemployed and really hurting, hell, there could be even riots!' No, Mr. Brzezinski, you know there are going to be riots because the network you represent is going to do everything it can to make them happen. More and more we are seeing this theme appearing from representatives of the State. The U.S. Army War College has made the same warnings in a document called Known Unknowns: Unconventional 'Strategic Shocks' in Defense Strategy Development. It said the military must be prepared for a 'violent, strategic dislocation inside the United States', in the light of 'unforeseen economic collapse'. Unforeseen?? You must be joking. The document talks of 'purposeful domestic resistance', 'pervasive public health emergencies' or 'loss of functioning political and legal order'. It goes on: 'Widespread civil violence ... would force the defense establishment to reorient priorities in extremis to defend basic domestic order and human security. An American government and defense establishment lulled into complacency by a long-secure domestic order would be forced to rapidly divest some or most external security commitments in order to address rapidly expanding human insecurity at home. Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States.' As the traffic warden, now 'civil enforcement officer', found out, this is precisely what they are planning in the UK and the same will be the case in every country because they are all controlled by a world-wide web orchestrating a global agenda. The War College document said that the Department of Defense would be the 'enabling hub' for the 'continuity of political authority in a multi-state or nationwide civil conflict or disturbance'. Put that through the Orwellian Translation Unit and you get 'the military will control the country'. This has all been planned for a long, long time as I and others have been warning all these years, and the 'hostile groups' the document talks about will be anyone who is challenging the political/military dictatorship in any way, even verbally. In the light of this, you won't be surprised to know that the US military is currently seeking to spend another $6 million on 'riot equipment'. Dennis C. Blair, Obama's Director of National Intelligence and Trilateral Commission member, has also said that the economic crisis could create civil unrest in the United States and around the world. He said the crisis was 'regime-threatening' if it continued over one or two years and this manufactured crisis is designed to be much bigger and longer than that. In the simple language that he seems to find so hard to summon, Blair says that there is a greater chance of war during economic turmoil and there's no doubt they have just that planned in the wake of what is happening now. Other establishment figures who have warned of unrest and rioting include the heads of the World Trade Organisation and the International Monetary Fund, both Illuminati organisations to their core, and anyone who heads them will be, by definition, gofers for the cabal. In the UK, yet again confirming the validity of the traffic warden story, the head of the police branch dealing in public order has warned of a possible 'Summer of Rage' over rising unemployment and the economic crash. Superintendent David Hartshorn of London's Metropolitan Police said that 'known activists' were planning to exploit the situation to mount mass protests and he pointed to the G20 Summit in London in April as a likely target, along with banks. The London Sunday Express has also reported that UK police and 'security' services are preparing to deal with rioting and 'the chilling prospect of soldiers being drafted on to the streets has not been discounted ...' Riots in Greece Mass protests around the world are no longer simply predictions because they are already happening and, with the global economy yet to collapse on anything like the scale it is intended to, we have seen nothing yet. Some 120,000 people demonstrated in Dublin over the handling of the economic crisis in Ireland, a million protestors have been on the streets in France, UK oil refinery and power station workers launched a series of strikes in protest at the use of foreign workers, and the riots across Greece late last year were partly economic in nature. Albert Pike I can encapsulate what is going on here with part of a letter alleged to have been sent in 1871 by Albert Pike, a Sovereign Grand Commander of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in America, to Giuseppe Mazzini, the Illuminati 'revolutionary' in Italy. In this letter, Pike is said to have detailed the background to three world wars the Illuminati was planning to bring about their global dictatorship. The first two happened as he predicted and this is what he said about the third: 'The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of the Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion ... ... We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time.' Click here for more background ... Many dismiss the letter as a myth, but in the context I am using it that doesn't matter. What it says is what is planned - an economic and social catastrophe in which the people turn on themselves in their engineered desperation and all morality is submerged in a mass battle for perceived survival. The term 'nihilism', used in the Pike letter, has this dictionary definition: * Rejection of all distinctions in moral or religious value and a willingness to repudiate all previous theories of morality or religious belief. * The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement. That pretty much sums it up, really, and this is why they want people to riot all over the world to destroy the existing order, which, yes, the Illuminati created, but they now seek to replace that with the next stage of their tyranny - total global control. This means that national governments and nation states must be destroyed to allow a world government to assume its dictatorship. Look at that definition of 'nihilism' again in the light of this: 'The belief that destruction of existing political or social institutions is necessary for future improvement.' 'Rioter' and police dealing with the 'rioter' - all wearing the same police-issue boots. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about. Already waiting in the wings are the agent provocateurs and the useful idiots primed to start the riots and civil unrest that the idiots believe to be challenging the existing order. But the existing order was created by the same network of Illuminati families that are seeking to create the 'new order', the New World Order, which is planned to emerge from the turmoil and chaos they are now engineering. To achieve this, as always, they need our cooperation and let no-one be in any doubt that those who choose to riot and loot in response to what is happening, and encourage others to riot and loot, are walking straight into the trap that has been laid for them. The government and military agent provocateurs will know that, the useful idiots will not, but it is time they did. I have met few more concrete-minded or naive people than those that are termed the extreme end of the political 'Left'. They have been played like a violin for hundreds of years to change the world in the image of the Illuminati blueprint in violent revolutions to bring down the established order. Now they are being gathered again to complete the journey to global tyranny and provide the violence and chaos that is designed to open the way to a world government, world army, world central bank, world electronic currency and a microchipped population connected to the global positioning satellite system, or GPS, among many other technologies of surveillance and control. The riots and looting they want to see, the chaos, will be met with the installation of a Police State with curfews, jail without trial, the military on the streets, and the activation of the concentration camps for 'dissidents' that we have long warned about. They are officially called 'military installations', run by FEMA, the deeply-sinister Federal Emergency Management Agency, and it is no coincidence, of course, that a bill numbered H.R. 645 is passing through Washington 'to direct the Secretary of Homeland Security to establish national emergency centers on military installations'. No, concentration camps, and other countries will have them prepared also. Look at what that War College document said: 'Under the most extreme circumstances, this might include use of military force against hostile groups inside the United States.' Might? It's a certainty because that's the plan and all the laws are in place to allow them to do it. They have been passed by governments around the world as 'anti-terror' legislation, but they use the terms 'terror' and 'terrorist' in such a non-specific way that all these laws can be applied to the entire population of the country that the 'laws' were supposed to protect according to their advocates. It was all a gigantic con, as some of us tired of pointing out. It had nothing to do with terrorists who are alleged to plant bombs and so on. All these laws have been put into place with the specific goal of controlling the mass of the people through a Police State when they triggered an economic collapse, together with new wars. Add to all this a stream of presidential executive orders signed by successive presidents without oversight by either the House of Representatives or the Senate. These are unconstitutional and make the president a virtual dictator. Click here to see the powers that the State can activate, thanks to these orders, when martial law is declared. This is why Obama's Zionist Svengali, the White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, is seeking to have gun ownership curtailed - to make the military takeover easier. Meantime, more people are seeking to be armed and requests for concealed weapon permits in Florida alone are up 42 per cent in 45 days with the consequences of the economic turmoil in mind. The military on the streets of Iraq. How long before the same is seen on the streets of America and elsewhere? The only way to stop all this is not to react as they want us to, with violence and hostility to both the State and each other. How many violent revolutions have led to just another tyranny, official or unofficial, to replace the one that fell? It has to be so because what is destroyed by violence will be replaced by the same energy. As I have said in my books, what you fight, you become. John Lennon put it perfectly when he sang: You say you want a revolution Well, you know We all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution Well, you know We all want to change the world But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me out ... ... You say you got a real solution Well, you know We'd all love to see the plan You ask me for a contribution Well, you know We're doing what we can But when you want money for people with minds that hate All I can tell is brother you have to wait Revolution (1968) ... click here to watch ... Martin Luther King also put it brilliantly when he said of rioting: 'The limitation of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.' Those are the words of a revolutionary who succeeded through peaceful non-cooperation. Yes, they killed him, but what he created through non-violence and determination went forth to end segregation. Physical life does not matter when compared with what is right, for we are all eternal Conciousness having an illusory experience and the greatest illusion is death. I would much rather die 'early' doing what I knew to be right than to eek out a few more illusory years as a slave to a tyranny. But there is no need even for that to bring an end to this nonsense. There are billions of people being enslaved and a comparative handful doing the enslaving. Er, I think I see a way out of this. We need to come together in mutual support, love, kindness and empathy. We need to put aside the manufactured fault-lines that divide us - religion, politics, race, culture and income bracket. That is not to say people have to reject their beliefs, just don't let them be weapons of division. We are all in this together and we need to meet the challenge together, not steal from each other, loot or riot, or look the other way because something happening to someone else is 'not my problem'. They are not seeking to enslave Muslims, Jews, black people, or white middle class Americans and so on. They are seeking to do it to all of us and they are picking off different groups one by one, just like the Nazis did in Germany. Remember these famous words because they are so applicable now: First they came for the Jews and I was not a Jew so I did nothing. Then they came for the communists and I was not a communist so I did nothing. Then they came for the trade unionists and I was not a trade unionist so I did nothing. Then they came for me and there was no-one left to speak out for me. Let us unite behind that which affects everyone - the loss of our most basic freedoms. And if this is being planned now, what kind of world are our children and grandchildren going to live in? Can you live with that thought while doing nothing or rioting as the authorities want? I can't. We need to start getting organised in communities and groups to support each other and stop cooperating with the system - not to fight it. The system can only exist with our cooperation and acquiesce. We are holding it together. They have their men and women of violence, called the military and 'Swat' teams, to deal with violent resistance. But their worst nightmare is our non-cooperation - the refusal to pay taxes; refusal to leave homes when banks foreclose on them; refusal to 'comply' with our own enslavement in any form. The system couldn't cope if this was done on a mass scale. And that's the point: to do this we need to do it en-masse and those not immediately affected need to support those who are. Instead of compliance, we need the non-comply-dance of people who beat to a different drum and will not comply with what is unfair, unjust, or targets their freedom and the freedom of others. This approach does not refuse to comply in a spirit of hostility, rage or violence, but with love, joy and laughter - and an unbreakable determination not to cooperate with their own enslavement. We need a mass refusal join the military, especially if they try to introduce the Draft; a refusal to do the compulsory 'community service' for young people that Obama's controllers want to introduce (as does the UK government); and a refusal to join, or accept the legitimacy of, Obama's planned civilian security force, which is nothing more than a scam to get the people to police the people on behalf of the Elite in the midst of the economic collapse and war. We need to start getting together local currency schemes that can operate outside the system and, yes, people should also have mass protests if they choose, so long as they are peaceful. But they need to be part of the campaign of non-violent, non-cooperation, not the focus of it. How many mass protests have there been over the years around the world and yet everything just goes on as before, be it war or globalisation. We need to stop posturing and then heading for the bar to feel good about ourselves and start doing what will actually make a difference. Mass protests can ease frustration - steam whistles as I call them - but what good do most of them do? Mass non-cooperation with the system is far more effective. The protests need to be targeted at non-cooperation, refusing to accept laws that ban assembly by massive numbers turning up; surrounding the homes of neighbours when the bank bailiffs come to put them on the street; and so filling the locations of government and finance with masses of people that the system cannot function. Workers who provide essential services to government, police and financial institutions etc., can refuse to do so until Orwellian laws and financial injustice are removed. In this way the perpetrators are affected, not the mass of the people, as with all-out strikes. And all of this needs to be good humoured and strictly peaceful. I would say this also to those in uniform. You may think you have power, but you are just pawns in the game like anyone else. You don't have the power, your uniform does, because that is an extension of the State. Those inside are just there to animate the uniform and do the bidding of those it represents. When you are useful to the cabal they'll praise you and when you are surplus to their requirements as part of the bigger agenda they'll show you the door. You have children and grandchildren, too, who will have to live in the world you are policing into existence by 'following orders' and believing the manipulative nonsense fed to you by governments and cabal 'training' fronts like the UK-based Common Purpose. Wake up from the trance and stop building a Police State for your own children and grandchildren - and everyone else. Think about the consequences for those you love of what you are doing - and stop doing it. More than anything, we all need to free our minds and become conscious. From that, everything else will come, including the intuition, inspiration and knowing that will guide us on how most effectively to deal with what we face. If there are many things you would like to do in a room, but the room is dark and you can't see, what is the fundamental first step to anything else happening? You have to turn on the light and then all the rest becomes possible. Without that you are thrashing around in the dark and falling over the furniture. That is what 'humans' are doing today and have been for so long. They have been manipulated to believe they are their bodies and their names when those are just the experiences of who they truly are - eternal Consciousness. As the great American comedian, Bill Hicks, said: '... all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There's no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.' The divisions between us are illusory to allow a certain kind of experience, but these illusions have been exploited mercilessly to divide and rule us. ENOUGH! When we awaken to the truth of who we are the world looks very different and so do the challenges that are put before us - or we put before ourselves. Move your point of observation and everything changes. Try it. Try ceasing to identify who you are with your body, your name and the reflection in the mirror. Try seeing those things as experiences and not who you are. Try observing your life and the world from the perception of the real you - eternal Conciousness, All That Is, Has Been and Ever Can Be in our illusion called 'time'. Eternal Conscious in awareness of itself doesn't riot; it is not violent and it doesn't loot. But nor does it ever do, or accept for itself and others, what is not fair, just, loving and kind. Crucially, Consciousness is without fear. When we operate on that level then we can truly claim to be Conscious and not trapped in the illusion called Mind. As Albert Einstein said: 'You cannot solve problems with the same level of consciousness that created them.' John Lennon also made this key point in Revolution about what needs to happen to really make a difference. We need to free our minds and become Conscious: You say you'll change the constitution Well, you know We all want to change your head You tell me it's the institution Well, you know You better free you mind instead But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow We are now fast heading for the eye of the storm that has been planned for so long to enslave the global population in a centralised tyranny. But we don't have to accept it or acquiesce to it, meekly looking on as the walls of control close in by the day. But that is what is happening and it has to stop. For everyone's sake, it has to stop. We can come together, we MUST come together, putting aside the fault-lines of race, religion, culture and income bracket. These are just illusory labels through which we are divided and therefore ruled. Believe in them if you wish, and enjoy them if they make you happy, but don't let them divide us any longer. We need to come together in mutual support at this time as those with sick minds and closed hearts are poised to throw everything at us to complete their agenda for total control. Whether their insanity prevails is not in their hands, but in ours. It is we who have the power if only we would choose to use it. We are One Consciousness deluded into thinking we are 'little me'. When we realise that we are all One - and act upon that with courage, love, kindness, peace and empathy for all who need support - the walls of oppression must fall. But sitting on your arse hoping it will all go away is no longer an option. It never was.

Well one thing is obvious from all of these posts. Kunlun works! Although for me the adage buy now pay later never had a sweet sound about it. I'll pay my dues the old fashion way thanks. If for a moment we think we can take with one hand without giving with the other we are sadly mistaken. For the cost of an old room at hotel Kulun I would rather find somewhere else to stay. Hey Yoda ever have the dream about the old house.

A few thoughts if nobody minds... "Forced" vs. "spontaneous" is a false distinction for all practical purposes. Our "spontaneous" is abnormal due to the fact we weren't conceived, carried in the womb, born, raised in any natural spontaneous manner in any natural spontaneous environments. (Taoism has a vast chapter dealing with the proper way to prepare and handle a human being to be whole before he or she is conceived even, and certainly during the mother's pregnancy and labor, and in the early developmental, "imprinting" times -- and it is a far cry from what is done in modern times. A child conceived, carried and born in a mindful natural manner is conscious from the start and remains so. This kind of spontaneity we don't even dream of because we don't know what we're missing. Similar practices existed in all indigenous tribes, only 'civilized' people abandoned them and turned a young developing human being into an unconscious "object of handling," whose spontaneity, as a result, is limited to a fraction of a percent of what it really is for a member of our species -- from the start, and typically till the end.) As a result, what we mistake for "spontaneity" as adults is really a bunch of unconscious knee-jerk responses to all the abnormalities of our developmental history, responses as forced as can be -- but forced below the level of conscious awareness. E.g., the "spontaneous" inability of an adult to voluntarily move his or her intercostal (between the ribs) muscles and the bones of the skull is thought of as "normal" -- medical texts state so! -- but it ain't! So if a practice restores this one normal ability, out of many-many-many we're missing, via methods that "don't feel natural and spontaneous" in our current book, in our current (drastically curtailed) comfort zone -- is it a "forced practice?" or, rather, a "force to use so as to overcome the force that counteracts spontaneity?.." Duh... If we modern urbanites go with only what "feels natural and spontaneous" to us (sic!), we will degenerate into mere appendages of our machines in no time. What DOES "natural" feel like to a baby hooked up to machines and interacting with machines before, during, after birth and for most of the rest of her life?.. What DOES "spontaneous" feel like to a child immobilized for most of her waking life in a crib, in a classroom, in an office?.. What DOES "un-forced" mean to someone who has never forced herself to do the impossible to save a loved one from this mechanical predicament?.. What does "forced" mean to someone whose definition of "spontaneous" is "my current comfort zone?" One's current comfort zone is usually so far removed from what "spontaneous" really is that investing into maintaining that is an investment into being a simple machine appendage -- no extra buttons please, I'm happy as it is, spontaneous as can be! Is that all you can be spontaneously, modern urbanite?.. Sheesh!.. And... I don't mean harmful forced practices aren't out there and aren't out to get you -- what I mean is, few modern people are equipped to tell the difference between a harmful forced and a beneficial spontaneous... So I guess this is a call to humility... You don't know because you aren't equipped to know. So just don't assume you do out of your current comfort zone -- don't assume you do, I mean the generic "you," not anyone personally...

I didn't like it, thought it was too new agey. If you're playing it straight, play it straight. If you want to go dream world w/ fake special effects then do that, but don't confuse the two. Michael

I actually just prefer to be a hermit, but I need food and shelter for a few years! haha. We'll see. I don't know about the city. Too me is just more distraction. I live in anaheim, ca. I go to beach often, and see beautiful looking girls walking around. This can't be helpful in the cultivation. When you dream about wanting to have sex with them, thats not the right path. You will leak everywhere. I just lived in cambodia for 2 months last summer. I actually just prefer a place to cultivate here in the states if they have one. The problem is here, you'll most likely have to pay room and board. I don't want that burden. Is there any taoist temples in the USA that one can go to become a monk?

Hello All I have had time today and read the whole thread on the golden flower. Wery interesting indeed. I also read walter Piccas tranlation from 1964 and schimed through the wang Lipings students version of it. Wery interesting reading on the thread and in the translations. My own sparse relations to the book in my life! For about 20 years ago I come across Riccard Wilhems translation of it during intensive studies of Jungian litterature of all kind. I didn't grasp much of it during that time. It took me awhile after starting with the universal tao system before I realised that the text and my new interest was about the same subject, taoist yoga. During my early practise in the universal tao system I had a vision telling me that I would come into contact with the ligth. That ligth would tell me the meaning of my life. It was a certanity that I would come into contact with it if I continued my practise dilligently. That vision have been the the inner most meaning of my practise. It means that my life have a meaning and that I am able to see what it is, amasing! The vision had more content to it and When I reread the introduction by Jung to Richard Wilhems version of the TSOTGF I was amased of hes descripion of the ligth. It was exactly the same that I had my vision about. During my practise in the white tigress system I was meditating daily on the original cavity or the ancestrall hall that it also is called. A point betwean the eyes a bit above and a bit behind the eyes. During that practise I saw flaschings of ligths in the ancestors hall. I did also dream about my ancestors and how they lived what problems they had and how they where related to the society as a whole. The experience with the ancestors hall was one of a few things that did motivate me to go and take courses with Hsi Lai. My feeling is that this practise the secret of the golden flower will be a part of my future investigations into the taoist yoga system. Without jet reading the books, I will just thank JJ Semple for hes sharing and concreatisising, from own experience, the methods in the text. I think such work is realy beneficial to us all that are intereted in this kind of spiritual path. Thanks. F D

Sorry for the belated reply. Covering martial arts and literature from a taoist standpoint, I worked on two levels. First, from what I'd call an operational point of view. I gave the students a quick overview of the basics of tai-chi (which I used to practice), qi gong (which one of my students practices) and kung fu (which we all experienced only through the movies). I tried to emphasize how, underneath the "character" of each martial art, there lies a set of basic principles which are basically the Taoist concepts of wu wei and qi. We discussed the point and got deeper into the wu wei question - action without action, but also training so that trained action becomes a second nature. The idea - there is a set of rules which you have to adapt to yourself, and then explore and practice to the point that you no longer *think* about using them. You do, and that's it. But the same is true for writing, which in the form of composition is regarded as a Taoist practice, and which requires a deep knowledge of the rules (metrics, themes, grammar) in order to apply them without thinking, or breaking them the right way. I gave a few examples of writing as meditation - referencing Nathalie Golberg's "Writing Down the Bones" , and quoting a few Chinese poets. At this point, we took a break (basically, more discussion) and then shifted to literature. This is what I'd call a thematic point of view. We went rapidly over the classics of Chinese literature, pointing out how Taoist elements enter such books as the Romance of Three Kingdoms or the Dream of the Red Chamber. Then we shifted to contemporary entertainment literature, and we gave a look at wuxia novels (one of my students is interested in cinema, and she asked for some input on wuxia), noticing how some elements are stolen and adapted from Taoist practice (the concept of wulin, the master-pupil transmission of knowledge, the often rampant use of magic, etc), with liberal addition of Confucian and Neoconfucian elements. And of course these are martial arts novels, focusing on the themes of skill and mastery. So, Taoism as a source of inspiration for fictioneers. As a final point, I asked the participants to sum up the evening, and (as I hoped) they gave me basically a picture of a physical taoist practice (martial arts) and an intellectual taoist practice (literature). Which was cool, because it allowed me to point out that martial arts have a strong, inescapable intellectual component (it's all in themind, as they say) and that writing is a physical practice - witness the fact that all my students were taking notes using their favorite pen, on a notebook of their choice, sitting in what they felt was the best possible position, and so on... Because you can't cheat the Tao, and hope it works only on one level. End of lesson, off to supper. I admit it was all pretty basic, but I hope to be able and collect more material and examples for my future courses.

Hi all! Let's see... where do I start?? I'm a quirky, off-the-wall 19-year-old from Scotland... and pretty disillusioned with most things in Western culture... I was brought up as a Christian and ended up in a Baptist church for 6 years... let's just say that there is NO WAY ON EARTH that that pastor was a Christian, all he taught was hatred and intolerance, it was totally imbalanced and wrong... so I have kinda lost faith in religious leaders, which also led me to question what I'd been brought up to believe. I've looked into various different faith systems without much success - this includes Ras Tafari, Catholicism, Wicca... everything you can think of. But everything, I have noticed, lacks harmony, and lacks control over one's own path. I had heard a little about Taoism and liked the concept of Yin and Yang... I felt I could relate to it somehow, as if it was something I was remembering from a dream... but somehow more real. If that makes any sense whatsoever. I've long had an interest in Eastern culture and religion because it's so different to what I have known. I'm hoping to find some answer/direction in joining this forum... I'm afraid I'm going to be asking a lot of stupid questions, but "He who dares ask is a fool for five minutes; he who does not ask is a fool forever". Oh and a bit about my personal background, as well as spiritual: Parents divorced when I was 8, got bullied in school until I was 16, have had a couple of bad breakups, one of which I am still trying to get over. Had severe jealousy issues between myself and my siblings (step-siblings included). Basic result is... no harmony whatsoever, and this is really what I am searching for... wish me luck. Hoping to make some new friends on this forum too, so say hi and tell me a bit about yourselves... Sorry if this was long... Pixie

Years ago I read a description about what I considered the true Zen bum. He lived in California, in a small shack. It was unheated and without electricity, but immaculately clean and filled with precious but simple things. He meditated, hung out w/ friends, worked part time jobs when he needed money. Most of all he kept his life very simple and lived it on his own terms. I vacationed once on the island of St. Lucia. The weather is beautiful, all the beaches public, the people are friendly. Walking along the beach I saw a small ramshackle hut, tin roof, misc. boards for walls. But it was beautifully decorated and painted. There were lines of conk shells defining its drive way . Again I thought this person knows the secret. So, I think your dream is possible. But, in my mind those 'bums' were competent in our world and made the conscious decision to drop out of it. I think if you can't get along in 'this' world, and think of bumming as an escape, you may find your problems follow you. maybe. Michael

Regarding clear signs I can only tell what my yoga teacher said and that confirms the above. If you have a kundalini awakening practice and if it's your calling to have the kundalini then very clearly one day you will feel the energy going first through the ida and pingali nadis and then the rising of the kundalini through sushumna. And apparently that it is very clearly the same for everybody - of course after many years of hourly breathing exercises and pranayama. Then he also talked about self realization- one's you're self realized you're free and you will know this very clearly. There will be know doubt about that. Regarding the dream of cutting peoples' heads that reminds me of Kali. You know the goddess with all these freshly cut heads that look very blissful on a string. They are very happy because Kali has killed their ego, so that they are free.

Stig, that would be great, wouldn't it? I envision my teacher as a fountain of wisdom. As a friendly, and warm person. Maybe a young person. In a vision I once had my teacher was like a 20 year old guy and he was a Buddha. Which is to say, I am not agist. I don't demand that my teacher be 105 years old in order to be authentic. My teacher doesn't mind talking. My teacher invites me for tea after class, and after practicing and being Taijuquan for 1 - 2 hours, we are being Taijiquan at a tea house. I bring a gift for my teacher's birthday. When my teacher needs to move some stuff, I come over and help load the truck. We joke around and laugh. One day my teacher tells me he's had enough. He builds a funeral pyre and asks me to light it. He hops on top. And I light it without hesitation, regardless of the laws or implications. Nice dream ah? Why would you settle for less? If I never meet some teacher like that, I have vowed that I myself will become this teacher. I will not rest until it is done.

If that's true, I don't see how informing me or others on this forum helps anyone. Great, so we do have some common ground then. I don't like how you describe life as "biological". You can see bodies moving around. If you look under a microscope, you can see other smaller bodies moving around. But calling all that "biological" brings some unnecessary physicalist connotations. It's entirely possible for life to look biological and yet not be biological at the ultimate level. In fact, one time I had a dream I was working as a virologist in a lab. I was using electron microscope and collaborating with a team of scientists, etc. So it's entirely possible to have an appearance of any kind. You can have a scientific/physicalist flavor of appearance without needing physicalism to be the ultimate reality behind it. Well, it does, kind of. It does. You have to distinguish appearances from essence. If you say that for us to be who we are right now requires AN APPEARANCE of matter, that's fine, and then you're not a physicalist! But if you say it requires matter and not just an appearance of one, then you're saying that matter is the key essence of this experience, and that would make you a physicalist. Then you're a physicalist. Had you said that your body dependent on appearance or experience of matter rather than actual matter, I would not label you as a physicalist. If you're a dualist, that still means that Aurobindo is wrong. To a dualist the matter does not evolve mind. Rather, mind has its own essence separate and independent from matter. The only way Aurobindo's statement can make sense, is if you agree that the ultimate essence is matter, that matter is the primordial building block of life -- and that's a physicalist stance which I disagree with. You asked for an opinion. You got it. I disagree with Aurobindo. No biggie. I don't buy into Aurobindo's particular vision of evolution. Yes. We only need an experience or an appearance of atoms, but we don't need actual atoms or actual molecules. It simply has to look convincing to the mind but no more than that. First, it's not off-topic. Second, I am not bickering, but kindly offering you my opinion. I don't ask that you agree with me. I think it's cool if you disagree. I've looked up Aurobindo in the past and I wasn't impressed. I didn't like him as a thinker/mystic/whatever. I don't hate him. I am just indifferent or not moved by him at all. Now don't be stubborn and please accept all opinions in all their diversity. I think you should have asked "Does anyone has a positive opinion about Aurobindo, and if yes, can you then and only then post it here?" Then I would have remained silent.

I believe there are some elites that dream of something like world domination. Will they succeed? I don't think so. The first person that tries to implant me with a chip will die a horrible and painful death. I'd rather die without medical coverage and I'd rather be blown up by terrorists 10 times in a row than to be implanted with a chip like some dog. Hell, I wouldn't even do that to my dog. If my dog runs away, it's the right decision for him.

I am 23 and can not grow a beard. this realization has been haunting me for years, knowing the truth that to be a sage a beard is required. My life dream of living on a mountain like Pai Mei in Kill Bill 2 is shattered. any student that climbs the mountain and sees a beardless sage, will only see a false prophet.

hi my name is Brandon Pearson im 18 years old i live in the USA. i first got interested in Taoism when i was turning 17 .. i new that what i wanted more than anything was wisdom strange i no for a kid my age living the the US but what i seek in live is far more valuable than the false American dream.. i seek enlightenment and to maby who knows become a taoist immortal one day . i have so much to say but i must be getting to bed soon the US empire is falling and will collaps perhaps in my life time so living a material life is not for me and is boring anyway. i wish to tavel to china to be taught taoism from masters and learn martial arts and nei kung and Mo-pai. i am also going to travel to indonesia to seek out potential taoist immortal john chang... nothing really makes sence in life except for the taoist way of life... it just (makes sense) i cant explain it.. its like how we were meant to live not living in from of our tv's and computers night after night. i seek enlightenment and hopefully u guys can help me along my way what i know of taoism i have only read in books that books i have read are The Magus of Java Seven Taoist Masters Nei Kung Tales of Taoist Immortals Teachings of the Tao Cultivating stillness clear light of bliss Wen-tzu yes i have read ALL of those books no joke a couple of them twice i am starting to read... the complete I ching - its not easy tho i no from reading the books that the true tao cannot be learned from reading a book i need to seek a master if i found a master to teach me taoism i would devote my LIFE to him and his teachings

But if we do that, we'll soon see the entire topic has no meaning. It's best to avoid asking such question so we can continue our dream of alternating self-preservation and annihilation. (tongue in cheek).

about 10 years ago, I had a dream where I was trudging through the rain, and came upon a flyer lying on the ground. I picked it up and it said "Daoist Crystal Meditation" and gave me the directions. I thought, 'wow, right up my alley!', and the scene cut to me climbing up a steep, muddy slope on my hands and knees in the pouring rain. There was a temple at the top of the hill, and inside were two beautiful people in robes and top knots. The woman beckoned me into a back room, sat me down and looked deep into my eyes. She said that the 'crystal meditation' flyer was just to get my attention and to get me to come to the temple. She placed a string of jade beads around my neck and proceeded to show me some powerful truth about my life (and specifically, the unhealthy relationship I was in at the time) which within a few weeks led to me 'waking up' from this six year relationship, and spreading my wings back into my life . . . I'm not sure how this fits into this thread, but I felt guided to share anyway. I have been a friend to the crystal beings for quite some time, and am caretaking a 10lb Hunan golden healer quartz. It seems to be paired with the shining silver Tibetan black spot of the same size, as a sun and moon energy. It seems to me that the stones have an innate intelligence within them . . . I hear a quiet 'voice' from them at times, asking to be taken here or there (i.e. stone circles of Ireland, top of Huashan, my local waterfall), or given to this person or that. It is a gentle transmission, a gridding of spiritual energy. I don't ask them too many questions, just help them along on their mission. As for the crystals being water element, I can see that in some way, as they are formed from water. My teacher says they are Metal. . . as the 'white' or 'clear' color of quartz corresponds with metal element, and they are mineral, yes I see this too.

Enlightenment is simply Ourself waking up in this dream. Of course, simple =/= easy...

I've heard it said that we are the sum total of all our previous lives so there's no point in exploring them. Having said that I did a Denise Linn tape once; there was a flood of vivid dream like images and impressions with some relating to present relationships and past connections. In one of the images a spear was thrust into my lower abdomen on a road and I was killed when incapacitated. I never really gave it much thought until I remembered later that I was born with a hernia in the place where the spear entered. Some of impressions did kind of help me make sense of some present issues. Whether it was all wishful thinking and fantasy I don't know.

I'd love to ask questions for those who can consistently see into the spirit world. How often do you see spirits(ghosts?) What do you think they are? Does that differ from what you were initially taught or does it confirm earlier teaching? How has it changed your life? Would you consider it a third eye experience? Do you consider dreams and dream work to be another portal into seeing the spiritual world? Last question What is good and what is bad about it? Thanks, I look forward to hearing your answers. I'm hoping this focuses the discussion away from theoretical and into what people actually experience. Michael

Things worked well last night. I might be over-interpreting, but funny how the principle that Kunlun is different and adapted for every person worked with my nature. I think I was able to combine the energy flow with the 'option' to think, to talk to myself in my mind and give myself direction or motivate me. Because that's what I did. What really helped was healthy breathing ... and smiling, which came natural due to a mnemonic hook I use and also due to occasional positive insights that came from my active philosophizing during the practice. You know how it feels in your arm when you touch 100 Volts (minus the pain)? This strong tingling buzz? That (in a lower magnitude) was how it felt along my center channel and/or spine, combined with a kind of pingpong effect in a normal heartbeat frequency. This started when the legs stopped jumping, and I kind of shifted gears twice after I got used to the strength. When that happened, the legs again started jumping, it felt more powerful, and after a while again, I got used to it. Closing down was mostly unspectacular. Felt a little heat at the lower dan tien. I did this session from 3 to 4 am, was wide awake, went to bed, fell asleep roughly at 5 am, woke up without alarm clock at 9 am refreshed. Had a pretty long dream that didn't have a clear message and was kinda weird ... like dreams often are. This was the first time that it was restorative and invigorating... and during the practice it actually felt entertaining/nice.