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Thanks for your explenation on Dream Yoga! This is actually the exact same principles Dr.Joseph Dillard bases his Dream Yoga on He also calls it Deep Listening because it is about learning to listen to the dream characters and what they are telling you. From their perspectives, not our normal everyday-perspective. And after listening to them they have told you what they help you with, then you spend a week (or more) identifying with them to integrate the soul qualities they are presenting to you in the dream. Do you have a method of indentifying with the dream characters? In Dillards Dream Yoga we do an interview with questions lined up in a specific order to get the dialogue going. And it dosent matter if you do it on dream characters from a dream or a character from waking life. Its all the same. It can also be done on emotions or whatever. I find that identifying with the not-so-obvious characters, like places, rooms, walls, areas, things like that, I get a lot more surprising and helpful feedback than if I work with characters like friends, animals or other things I normally have a strong emotional indetification with. The most interesting parts a dream is the Dream Consciousness, as Dillard calls it. Or "the Dream Being", as you call it. The creator of the dream. By indentifying with the Dream Consciousness you get a direct link to the formless consciousness behind the illusion of our reality, and this is of great help in meditation. Do you write about your Dream Yoga in the free book? If so Ill certainly read it! Its so good to hear more people working with dreams in a more dialoguing and listening way than just projecting the pre-interprated symbols on it. Is so damn limiting!

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Bill Hicks 1961-1994

Who gave you the deficient blood/yin diagnosis? Switching to an all raw/vegan diet is significantly cooler than a meat/cooked foods diet. Hair loss is a symptom of cold, yang deficiency. Vegan/raw diets will exacerbate problems for essence deficient/yang deficient/spleen deficient persons. Blood deficiency is a general cause of premature graying hair. If the deficiency is due to deficient Jing essence, particularly of the kidney and liver (with symptoms like ringing ears, copious night urination, lower back discomfort, etc), then it's a bad idea to go vegan/raw. If the deficiency is due to deficient nourishing blood, often due to excessive thinking/anxiety/stress and resulting in heat symptoms such as insomnia and very dream-full sleep, then I think vegan/raw diet would be ok.

Yeah Santiago -- I discovered this book last night: http://astore.amazon.com/dream-healer-20/d...5829078-6864820 Adam pulls this "green blob" out of this lady's head -- actually his mom! -- and she's immediately healed. haha. Now back to our "main program."

Would it help to say the show was meant as an allegory to our future? We can choose a future of liberal democrats ecological dream or an evil republicans corperate conspiracy future. At a deeper level it is a story of the war in heaven and the heros journey. Come on.... its a great show!

Well you can google "O at a D" -- but I'll give this new description: I took the Spring Forest Qigong classes from Master Chunyi Lin and I wrote a pamphlet discussing various meditation methods. In the pamphlet I said that qigong master Chunyi Lin was the most powerful qigong master in the U.S. He read the pamphlet and said to me: "you can't write that. You can say that I'm very wonderful." Anyway so back to the O at a D thing. As I continued my practice on my own I discovered that when this old pervert I live with would jerk off at night in the bathroom, adjacent to my bedroom, he would pull my electromagnetic energy down, converting it back into fluid. He was essentially sucking off my energy while I was asleep. So instead of practicing qigong in my room (since the old man would just suck in that energy and use it to jerk off) I would practice a bit in my room and then hang more in cafes, restaurants, libraries, etc. and continue my reading. What I found was that females were hitting on me really strongly -- all females -- girls, fat ladies -- didn't matter. One time I was reading in McDonald's and this girl demanded to make her family sit by me and then she started flirting with me really strongly right in front of her mom. She then got into my booth, staring at my crotch, talking in a really flirtatious manner. So SHE was also sucking me off -- right in front of her mom! Another time this fat african-american lady in the library got up to my ear and started making these pervert sounds to me. Another time this group of black girls in the park, when no one was around, came up on me and started talking to me in an aggressively sexual manner. To "defend" myself against females hitting on me so strongly in public -- sucking me off -- I took to sitting in full-lotus in public as a preemptive strategy. While in full-lotus there's no way the energy would be turned into fluid. I didn't think much of it but then once I was in McDs hanging with a buddy and this high school female worker did a backside female display, standing right in front of my eye sight. The effect was a surprise to both of us -- she made some wild noise, bursting out in excitement and I climaxed up my back while in full-lotus. Then next time I went into McDs she pushed aside the clerk so that she could take my order and she was absolutely giddy. I was forced to accept what had happened: An "O at a D" or "mutual orgasm at a distance." This is a play on "action at a distance." Just to keep a check on things so that I would have critical feedback I then posted my experiences -- my experiments -- over at http://breakingopenthehead.com -- with females responding. What happened was that I discovered a secret world which females lived in and the typical modern male is totally unaware of. The female would pick up my electromagnetic energy and suck it up using female display behavior which consists of lining up her backside with my eyesight, or her crotch, or her eyes, or stretching her breasts in line with my eyesight. I discovered that the first two climaxes (female) using the vagus nerve are build-ups while the third causes the loss of some clear fluid -- just a bit. When I was recently reading Mantak Chia's "Cultivating Male Sexual Energy" he also described the same thing, stating that the clear preseminal fluid a bit of which comes out of the penis -- came from the prostate gland. I also discovered that females would work in these mutual climaxes with me even while they could have a conversation with someone else -- in other words essentially we have two brains: The cerebrum and the cerebellum. The two can and SHOULD be synchronized so that we live in constant bliss and tension is constantly relieved. Instead the modern male is stuck in the left-brain of language which does not allow the right brain to activate the autonomic nervous system of the vagus nerve. So I just had a mutual climax. The young hot female was bouncing her leg -- and therefore sensing and trying to suck up my energy. Since I'm in full-lotus the energy was being shot out but wasn't being efficiently directed. I just kept my head down since that is a submissive behaviour for humans. I didn't stare but I did shift my body position so that the intensity of the pineal gland energy was shooting directly towards her. The climax then happened in just about 20 seconds and then she stopped bouncing her legs. When I was in the charity food kitchen today a female with whom I had "O at a Ds" a couple visits back -- through direct eye contact -- this time adjusted her backside so that she could better suck up my energy. She used that female display behavior along with crossing and bouncing her legs. I just ate my lunch on full-lotus and meanwhile got the tension out of my neck -- from sleeping. OK I just went out of full-lotus as the pain was getting so strong that I would have had to have an "O at a D" to relieve the pain. In other words I can sit in full-lotus endlessly as long as these free energy exchanges continue. I could just point my forehead towards my palms and use what I call the "Yan Xin Secret" -- which means you shoot the light out of the pineal gland into the palms in front of the lower tan tien and then this reflects back -- essentially having sex with yourself (the electrochemical yin being the lower half of the body and the electromagnetic yang being the upper half). That is was tantra is -- the palms in front of the stomach are holding a female who is riding on top of you. The difference is that the female energy is much stronger for females (obviously) -- so they suck up the male electromagnetic energy much more easily, thereby causing the climax more easily. Consider Santiago's statement to me about the limp dildo -- well this morning (as I got home around 4:30 a.m.) I slept in until my room was too hot and I was overdressed. So I had this dream that I was eating out this young female. I climaxed but I woke up fast enough and used reverse breathing by training -- so that the fluid went all up my back. Immediately I could feel my lower back all blissed out. Then I thought - why did I dream I was eating out this young female? Ah the tongue was the limp dildo that Santiago had thought was some kind of loss of manlihood. haha. OK so some people think I'm making up this "O at a D" thing. Early on I was obviously kind of excited that I had caused this mutual climax with this young female. So I wanted to test it out. I went to this reading area and there's these tables where people sit across from each other. I sat across from this young, very attractive female -- at the University. Reading while in full-lotus directly across from her -- she a few feet fromt me. After the first mutual climax she put her head down to go to sleep. Then as the energy built up again -- right at the second climax -- she lifted her head up and looked right into my eyes. She then put her head back down again. At the third, "real" climax she lifted her head up but this time she had tears in her eyes. I felt bad about that as she was a sort of yuppie white female -- fancy hairdo and clothes, etc.. In contrast another time I was at McDs and the clerk was the young, big African-American female. She was about thirty feet from me while I was reading in full-lotus. After the first two climaxes she then just STARED right into my eyes -- we stared at each other straight on. When we climaxed her back arched and she then shook off all this stress. It was excellent. I've seen that response several times -- the next time it happened with this young girl at BK. She actually incorporated the full-body shudder into her conversation with her dad. They were speaking in Spanish which I understand fairly well. I lost quite a bit of clear fluid -- just like some stringy stuff. I went to the bathroom because at that time, soon after I had discovered this ability, I wasn't sure if I had blown a load or what. I was pretty creeped out by that -- how a young female had caused that. She had sat down near me and had sucked up the electromagnetic energy. So either that night or the next day I was at a cafe by my living place. I was at the computer which faces the wall -- across from the register. Suddenly this young girl sits down across from me with her dad across from her. She kept throwing one leg over the arm of the chair so that her crotch was facing directly at me -- about a couple feet from me -- and then she would swing her leg. She did this to pump in my electromagnetic energy and she did it just long enough for the mutual climax. As she did it she would tell her dad that she was "bored." Since her body language was so blatant she would then throw her leg back over the arm chair and then wait for my full-lotus energy to build up again and then she would throw the leg back over the arm of the chair and pump in my energy until the "O at a D" happened. O.K. so then I read this book "Moral Animals" by Dr. Marc Hauser or something -- he's a Harvard biology professor I think. Anyway he writes how even by the age of 4 females will lie if they think their behavior will offend their parents. I then learned that Bushmen kids were sexually active but they just couldn't do it in front of their parents. But this stuff is cultural -- if a young female is with her mom then sometimes the mom will actually encourage or train the female -- either times just pretend not to notice. Sometimes the females -- like college age -- will compete for the "O at a D" energy and so one of the females will have to be sly about it, etc. Ooops forgot to mention I went back into full-lotus -- it's just habitual for me. The reason I noticed is because this young female is sitting across from me a couple tables over and when I looked at her my adam's apple and vagus nerve started pulsating -- her energy was soaking up the electromagetic energy. OK so then she just turned her backside to me and then started pumping her legs. We just had an O at a D -- she's native american I think. And then she sauntered off. And so it goes. Now again as for confirmation that these are real. One time I was sitting at this anarchist cafe and the girl in the booth across from me had some "O at a Ds" with me and then her female friends joined her. I heard her describe me as "orgasmic." Then another time I was at the Taco Bell and this black lady started doing really crazy behavior -- she exposed her breast to me and then shook her backside in my face -- very literally. I was of course in full-lotus but more importantly she had been dancing next to me at the BK a couple nights previous to our Taco Bell encounter. At the BK she went to me -- on the other side of the restaurant -- and started singing x-rated lyrics loudly next to me. No one was near us. The young females on the other side of the restaurant noted that when she went back across to get her food she was perfectly courtesy to the BK workers, in contrast to her bizarre behavior next to me. So at the Taco Bell her pimp comes in -- with a customer - the pimp has a felt hat and -- some sort of pimp outfit. This is online already so just google "O at a D." Anyway so the prostitute looks at me and arches her back and says to her pimp: "I'm coming already!" Other female display behavior has included licking the lips with the tongue like some sort of porno manuever -- while looking at my in a come hither manner. Sticking the tongue in the cheek to do the universal blowjob signal. Using the hand to make a jerking off signal -- either between the legs or, strangely, on the small of the back, in combo with the backside display. My favorite is throwing the arms up straight in the air so that the breasts stick straight out -- in line with my eyes. This maximizes the intake of the electromagnetic energy and causes the "O at a D" rather fast. But usually it's the old standby -- the backside display -- with laser-like precision I might add. Pumping the legs while crossed and staring into my eyes -- I remember this happening to me by someone interviewing for a job at my workplace -- a young female. I was amazed at how forward she was being and how effectively she was sucking me off. Now in full-lotus -- no problem -- just another "O at a D" and more free energy exchanges. Staring at my dick. This is another fairly common manuever -- and very effective I might add. I forgot to mention that I've done the first two "O at a Ds" while standing up - I just do reverse breathing. Also I then discovered in Colin Wilson's book "The Occult" how Gurdjieff ALSO had this "O at a D" ability -- and so I read the original source: Rom Landauff's book "God is My Adventure." Colin Wilson noted that even the "great" magician Aleister Crowly -- supposed tantric guru -- could not do the "O at a D." What amazes me is how "psychic" females are to this electromagnetic energy and how amazingly idiotic the modern male is to this energy. Usually the modern male around me will just bounce his legs frantically -- trying to counter act me shooting the electromagnetic energy out of my head into females. So the modern male -- a pervert is consciously doing this while otherwise it's fairly unconscious -- does not have the pineal gland open and the electromagnetic energy just drains into the electrochemical energy, turned into the fluid. In other words the modern male will also pump in my electromagnetic male energy but then use it just to make more fluid for himself -- without his own ability to transform his lower emotions into light. With the internal climax building up the electromagnetic energy which then leaves through the pineal gland -- after about five "O at a Ds" (not counting the preliminary build up ones) the heart chakra really opens up. This creates not only REAL love but also real heart-break. After a while you realize that love is an impersonal and universal phenomenon, not something for emotional attachment and physical control. The lower emotions as electrochemical energy -- anger, fear, sadness, worry -- are then transduced or transformed into love-light. So if someone is angry or sad, etc. -- I will also suck this up -- even if they are a BLOCK AWAY - just through eye contact -- and then transduce it or transform it back into love-light and shoot it back at them. Sometimes it might take all night if a person just has strong anger energy. What happens is that the anger energy is just repressed sex life force energy on their part -- this repressed sex energy will finally come out transforming the anger energy into bliss-light. Basically the modern male (and many modern repressed females) are addicted to stress with the cholesterol intake creating cortisol and not creating sex hormones. Also when the modern male climaxes this activates the stress sympathetic nervous system whereas the internal vagus nerve climax stays in the relaxed parasympathetic nervous system. The cortisol then cuts off the energy in the brain which would otherwise be used for spontaneous blissful creativity. The cortisol makes people stupid -- but it's also based on REPRESSED sex energy -- so it's how a person will get their fix. If a female can not get enough electromagnetic energy from a male -- unconsciously through sex fluid (with the yang inside the yin) she was then just get the male angry so that the electromagnetic energy is shot out of the male's body and the female will then suck it up. This is VERY VERY common in modern relationships. Around 12:30 today while in line to get some soup I could see light around everyone's heads. How beautiful. I began comparing different people's light -- to see if this reflected their apparent differences in health. I could start to see a difference. So a younger healthy male while have stronger white-yellow light around their heads, for example. OK I just googled "orgasm at a distance" at http://breakingopenthehead.com -- so I discovered this ability back in January of 2007. It's been a year and a half of experimenting. Also I forgot to mention that sometimes females around me have also just used their hands to "finish themselves off." That's about it -- but more details elsewhere online. http://www.breakingopenthehead.com/forum/s...orgasm+distance There's more elsewhere -- I just remembered the O at a Ds when the female will sit with her back lined up with mine -- if we are in adjacent booths. And then there's the O at a Ds through walls and floors, etc.

Dream Yoga is very interesting! Ive been working with dream yoga, both as lucid dreaming and as it is presented at www.dreamyoga.com. I also have a teacher that teaches a lot through dreams. How do you practice dream yoga? Is it more like the buddhist practice or is it taoist? From another post a while ago I found that the taoist shui gong is not the same as tibetian dream yoga. What do you think, Lama Tantapa?

Dear Tao Bums, I appreciate your interest in Qi Dao and the lively discussion unfolding on these pages. I actually have to agree with Patrick that most attempts to initiate anyone via an audio recording prove to be ludicrous at best. That is why my album mostly consists of preliminary practices including a spontaneous meditation, standing meditation, dynamic meditation, as well as a guided Shamanic Journey. The latter can also serve as the first stage of the Qi Dao initiation that usually consists of two stages: the guided meditation that can and should be practiced for as long as it takes you to establish a reasonably strong sense of connection with the Tao, or Dream Being, as I often refer to it. The second stage of the initiation has to be experienced in person, usually at the conclusion of the basic level of Qi Dao training (this CD is a part of the Basic Qi Dao Home Study Course), which normally takes at least three months filled with doing the preliminary practices. In this way, my students living across the globe from me still can develop a decent level of basic knowledge and experience all the preliminary practices before attending a live event, where they may receive the complete initiation. Perhaps, entitling my album Qi Dao Initiation created some confusion, because it is designed to provide only the initial impetus for embarking on this incredible journey of self-realization. If you are familiar with such site as rhapsody.com, I believe you can listen to the tracks on my album, quite literally, for pennies. Give yourself an opportunity to experience something before judging it. I am glad you found a way to peruse my book for free using Google book search. Unlike most of the contemporary authors, who tend to tease you by giving access to just a few pages, I made the entire text available for those of you who are sincerely interested in Qi Dao. I have nothing to hide, at least, at the basic level, which my book covers quite thoroughly. As to the question from apepch7, I believe I shared enough information about my lineage in this book. I really do not like dragging my personal history around, that is probably why I never felt inspired to memorize the names of my predecessors. Besides, there is a great difference between me and my Grandfather: while I talk and even write a lot, he was not a talkative man at all, probably due to his involvement with the KGB during the Soviet regime. He did not like to talk about himself or other people at all. I am sure he had a great many stories to tell, which I can only guess about. I continue learning from him in my dreams, so some of his stories may eventually be revealed through my practice of Dream Yoga. By the way, if you are interested in Dream Yoga, you may find some basic practices in the Qi Dao Initiation album too, so have fun experimenting with them. Let me know if you need any help. Aloha P.S. Please do not sniff any glue or take any ketone (whatever it is) Patrick is talking about. There are much safer and more effective ways to explore the bardo states associated with near-death experiences and beyond death.

Dear Tao Bums, It is getting pretty late here, but I will try to answer some of your questions briefly. My meditation CD entitled Qi Dao Initiation is available for download on Amazon.com. The physical CDs will be available very soon. They are also going to be included into the Basic Qi Dao Home Study Course, which will also include my hard cover book, audiobook, workbook and DVD. Additionally, everyone who purchases this course will have free access to my teleseminars and online tutorials for one month. To get some more information about Qi Dao, please visit Qidao.org. As far as I know, nobody else from our clan has a website yet, but you are welcome to do some Google search or visit Wikipedia.org. I have given numerous interviews online to the media, some of which may be found online. As to my personal experience with Qi Dao, I started practicing quite early, at a tender age of six. My Grandpa was an awesome Qigong master and Russian Martial Arts paragon, so I aspired to become like him. Thirty plus years later, I just dream about doing some of the feats he was capable of. Finally, I have to admit that I do not like sitting in lotus position, although I am flexible enough to twist my legs into a pretzel. Alas, I have not found any way to maintain a vertical alignment of the spine without tensing up my hip flexors when sitting like that. My favorite meditative position is savasana, but I often use Zen-style seiza, as you may see on my blog. Please feel free to ask more questions or come to Portland, where I am teaching a workshop at Portland Subud Center on August 23, 2008. Drop me a line if you are interested in the Initiation CD or the Home Study Course and I will be happy to get them to you as soon as they are available. Aloha P.S. I finally got around to taking a look at the Qi Dao video clip on YouTube. Although it is very basic and incomplete in terms of mentioning only three alignments and leaving out the most important one, you may actually tell that these principles can be quite applicable in various sports as well as healing and other martial arts. I am actually going to present a workshop on the use of Qi Dao for peak performance in healing and martial arts at the World Qigong Congress in San Fran on September 22, 2008. I would love to see you guys there.

When it comes to my practice and way of being I learned a lot of what i know from my teachers & also directly from the source. But see I know how to connect to my true Root Guru. Yes in theory you are correct No one needs a master. It just takes longer with out guidance but you can still do it. Also if its meant for you to learn it you will regardless of what the subject matter is. The creator will manifest the information you need and the timing for it when you are ready for it. It may come through a teacher in the flesh, or non embodied teacher or from a dream, or it is just revealed to you in meditation. If your gut says yes do it. Pay the 10,000 or what ever the cost is. When you have learned your business come pay me a visit so we can play. Peace Santiago

Ok the forums arguments sounds very convincing and I found the logic that you are talking about, charging that fee will surely keep curious out, and after wandering on the forums site a little more I found that for David students forum access is free or almost free. Yes, I know this thread its probably going to get nasty at some point, I hope it doesn't but there will always will be people with not enough maturity and/or consciousness that will act based on primal impulses. As for David been a sham, I don't say he is and I really wish that he is not ... actually next year I'm starting a trip to Asia starting on Thailand going through all southeast Asia and arriving at Beijing,China ... I'm doing some way of long term backpacking called Vagabonding, my hope and my dream is to have the opportunity of just know some of the real masters and even if possible by a long shot learn and study a bit with them. That's why I'm doing research of all the master over the world, and David caught my attention for sure. Let's see what the destiny has saved for me. Regards

He doesn't have a clue regarding neigong, what it requires, or the purpose of this kind of training. Yet, he shamelessly name drops John Chang, someone I doubt he has ever met, and talks of 'Chi ball fire meditation'. Oh Lord... I'm sick and tired of people like him peddling the dream of esoteric powers and using peoples naivety-and desire-to line his own pocket, (his website is covered in Pay Pal 'Donation' buttons and Google Ads). It is about service to others and spiritual attainment, not thunder bolts or flying around on top of pink clouds, (that would be a reference to the old Monkey TV series for anyone who hasn't seen it). 'Sigh'...

I find it rather disturbing, sometimes even slightly amusing, that people are so eager to mess with their reality. Most of you here are aware of the gateway through the pineal gland to the dream spheres (astral's, loka's, bardo's) but knowing about such things doesn't mean they exist to be consciously used and to think such is a stumbling block to any true spiritual progress. I've had a few semi lucid dreams recently, mainly because I've been drinking, and they've all been rather dark and disturbing yet the special effect were top notch! I don't normally remember my dreams and that's probably because I'm not interested in special effects. As I've mentioned before on this forum I've done the out of body stuff as well as time travel and manifesting things/stuff and it's all simply the special effects of the mind! Needless to say messing with such things inevitably ends in madness because the blurring of your reality is an ego trip. I won't deny that people believe they saw someone levitate but I know in the physical realm this is impossible. Experience being a superman and then let it go otherwise you risk getting burnt! Tempting people with the idea of special powers simply shows you how unenlightened such teachers are. Yes nearly all masters, teachers etc (they're really all just people) are aware of the special effects but only the idiot ones give any credence to them. Check your motives before you take the red pill lest you end up another idiot master or worse a rambling schitzo.

Abe -- the CHI is ELECTROMAGNETIC fields -- so you can test this very easily. Just put your palms slightly apart -- after rubbing the center of your hands together strongly. Or you can make the "sword fingers" with one hand and point it at the other hand palm while circling the sword fingers. But that's the body chi -- my current focus is on the pineal gland or brain electromagnetic fields. So my body chi tends to be low while the pineal gland chi will build up after continous "O at a Ds" -- since I'm not STORING the chi in my body. So the electromagnetic field then projects out of my pineal gland as directed by my eyes -- or just as sucked up by surrounding female electrochemical energy. The more "O at a Ds" the stronger is the pineal gland electromagnetic field created. Fascinating and I'll add: While I attended the U of MN in 1997 I had the pleasure of moving into a house where this beautiful young Andean indigenous female lived. She took me to her town of Merida Venezuela. She visited various female healers in the villages while I tagged along with her son. One evening, in the beautiful mountains, we drank potato chica. That night, after the "Inca Revenge" took its toll on my intestines, I could not sleep because my heart chakra was so heated up with unrequited love for this indigenous Andean female. I relationship was Platonic. Anyway I had to sing to myself as the only means of dispersing the energy but then all of a sudden my mind switched into this weird vision that I could not stop at all. My whole life flashed before me like a movie only it didn't happen chronologically -- it happened psychologically. Events years apart were connected simultaneously because the latter had psychically resolved the tension of the former. Amazed I was forced to watch this NDE unfold at mind-boggling speed. The next day I just sat off on my own and was intensely serene the rest of the trip. In my subsequent research I discovered a Science Citation Index study where mountain climbers were tested for melatonin levels. Turns out melatonin sky-rockets when you are high up in elevation, as would be the case in the Andes. And as been shown, melatonin turns into DMT -- the dream vision molecule used for spirit travel.

Thankx so far girls and guys... and "joeblast": I very much hope the jetlag is over, you had a good time whereever you where, and that you find some time to elaborate... I want to extend my question: We know from M Winn that he once spoke of "having tracked ""some master"" in the spiritual planes"... Santiago (glad to have him here for several reasons) in another thread stated something similar to "I have done enough real dream yoga to know who Max is"... So. Looking for an answer for the reasons of security in the truth of those statements. Simple phaenomelogical philosophy tells us that most if not all is in the eyes of the observer... thereby its meaning, its structure etc. etc. etc. Why is what "you" see "true" and NOT infallible? What is the guiding line to indeed know one is right, sees things right, experiences the true as truth and not the false etc. etc. etc. Recently someone asked me why I do what I do. If I do not feel restricted by what I chose to practice etc. etc. etc. From all the earlier discussions I have realized there is only one answer I can give: That I feel drawn to it. So far though I have not found one good reason to "know for sure" that "this is it"... quite a few of you do I see not one possible good explanation for why that is, except that you either have a narcistic like component, a truly misdeveloped sense of being able to differentiate ... OR a infallible guideline just "feeling connected", "being able to do certain things", "being able to see certain things" can not be it, as many claim the same and still do not agree and just feeling, doing, seeing is no guarantee in itself that what you feel, do, see has any other than a subjective truth make me happy be giving me an infallible answer. Harry

I read the book. I was under the impression that Tigresses do that practice initially to rejuvenate their bodies over a 3 year initial period, then they eventually stop doing that and they attain liberation from rebirth, and form a spiritual child. Their bodies have to be rejuvenated to accomplish this. So, their goal is to reach some kind of immortality and liberation. It seems like the tigress doesn't feel like she is stealing, merely that she is more efficiently capturing energy that would otherwise be wasted in a wet dream. If a man chooses to give his essence to her, and she chooses to use it to rejuvenate herself, then she is not stealing, and if in fact she benefits the man through stimulating his points and makes him in better health than when he started, she is doing a good action. That said, no doubt aspirin is a crappy contraceptive, but some use it as a preventative for heart attack.

If it suits you great and I mean that from the heart. Who said I have a problem with TANTRA & BLISS practices? I certainly never did. TANTRA & BLISS is what i do I have the greatest bliss of all, a Real Connection to my true ROOT GURU. I do not need anything else truly. Well I know of 4 personally I know others that know of some aswell that are different. 4 fit on a small boat so that would be a boat load. But again it doesn't matter. Max makes you happy great. Party on. Good for him he was a bit too skinny. That is good he is eating well. Well again Good I am happy for him and for those of you that are loyal to him. Loyalty to your teacher is a a good thing. I have done enough real dream Yoga to know who Max is. As I said before I like Max. I do not suscribe to what he does now nor care to. If it works for you GREAT. Follow your heart. Think what you want frankly it makes no difference to me My development is real and it comes from the source of all sources and yes it can be impregnated into Cassettes, CDs, DVDs, Internet messages and or any medium for that matter. All I can say to you is.... God bless you. Santiago

Yea they would work but again its not what Glenn did. If you want that you should come see me or Rob Williams or Tao Semko. We do not deal with mark at all. God bless him I wish him the best but proof is in the pudding. Activate lucid dream work, open upper centers, astral & void travel, manifestation, Phowa, healing, enhancing brain functions, shamanic path work. Yes where are you located? Santiago

Hi alfa, Seeing visions during meditation is a normal phenomenon. It occurs so often for me that I just ignore them because they are sort of a distraction. (I pay attention to the persistent visions, the ones that don't go away after you've stopped meditating). At the AYP forum and in Yogani's lessons, he says you are supposed to ignore the visions/images. I did notice that one time when I meditated lying down, I entered a state in which I saw continual videos or dreams (people and things moving around like real life.) I think the supine posture precipitates lucid dreaming or third eye activation. Again, the shows (continuous images) are a distraction but still very interesting as a phenomenon. It seems like willful effort to remain conscious while relaxing the body will put you into or past the dream state while maintaining a link to your usual consciousness. If you are interested in developing your meditation, I would join a group or check out the AYP forum. Yogani has free lessons online and the forum is full of nice respectful meditators. It is a good place to ask questions, learn about meditation (stillness or deep silence meditation) and read about others' experiences. TI

Hi All I was just lying down, watching my breath. Soon I was totally relaxed, but NOT asleep. I was awake. I was conscious. Something weird happened. I saw images, as we do while dreaming (continuous images that run like a story, NOT random thoughts), but I wasn't asleep, so it can't be called a dream, right? But if not a dream, what was it? Was it hypnagogia? Put simply, my situation is like this: * Meditated to reach relaxed state * Saw continuous images (like a story), similar to dream * But I was fully conscious that I was seeing those images in meditation, so it couldn't be a dream * What then was it, hypnagogia? Sorry for breaking it down like this, but it seems important to know what I experienced.

I've had this problem for years and only recently looked for information on it. Can't say that I found to much medical advice on it but perhaps I didn't search enough. Most of the stuff on the internet speaks about out of body experiences. It wouldn't be so bad but usually the experience is accomanied by a dream that I can only describe as being such horrible nightmare that my wife has to wake me up by shaking me. Sometimes it's really bad and I wake up screaming. One time she grabbed my hand and in this state I percieved it as something trying to grab me in my dream and I almost injured her. I wouldn't wish it on anybody really. There is a standing practice / meditation that I learned in yiquan that is known for causing effects on one's sleep but in essence what it does is affect the subconscious causing one to practice fa jin and the likes while one is sleeping but the sleep paralysis is completely different. If anyone has been able to rid themselves of this I'd love to hear about what you did. Thanks small John.

You have nothing to worry about. Sleep paralysis isn't dangerous and lucid dreaming is pretty easy to learn. No teacher is needed, just keep desiring it and keep a dream diary and it will come naturally after a while. An odd observation though: it seems like male lucid dreamers can't have orgasms in the dreams, while I have heard that female dreamers can. I wonder why. Seems unfair to me.

My perspective as a married man with children and a profession and a thirst for physical, intellectual, and spiritual challenge. Personal cultivation is a wonderful thing. It challenges me endlessly on physical, mental, and spiritual levels. I have managed to incorporate them into my busy life. My family has suffered for it to some degree but I like to think they also benefit. I look at having a family as an important part of a fulfilling life for me. Not everyone feels the desire. The joys and heartbreaks of a long term relationship and raising children are infinitely more intense to me than the highest highs or lowest lows of cultivation. I would not have a fraction of my understanding and appreciation for life without being a parent and husband. It has been the source of some of my greatest pain and challenges. On the other hand, it provides the greatest rewards one can dream of. Nevertheless, personal cultivation remains an extremely important part of my life. It gives me an opportunity to be totally selfish and work on myself. It helps to balance me. There is a reason why cultivators go off to live as hermits for serious meditation in Chinese, Japanese, and Indian cultures (not to mention Western culture). Maintaining a very rigorous schedule of training is extremely difficult while living in society and providing for a family. On the other hand, some of these cultures also appreciate the value of experiencing the more "mundane" aspects of life either before or after the cultivation practice.

MIKE! harsh ? Personal attacks on Mirrors ??? Careful! Don't want to shatter any ... 7ish years bad luck and some such ladders start falling on black cats and all ... LOL. are we looking into the mirror or are we looking out of the mirror? and butterflies dream! If lookin' for write or wrong ... u all r. Me too! Have to sift(pan) through a whole lot of sand to find the gold (I like pretty sand, too!) then when we find it ... let it go. let it flow. down the river, it is the sea. the clouds are the Soul of the ocean! all the same. Peace kids! Shon. play nice now. I'd so like to Rip into some of the shamanism stuff on here! Could tell such stories of death! Birth can be just as hard and messy. they go hand in hand. U flip the same coin! but need to put my ego on a diet! LOL. Some folks might get parts of this???LOL! Sorry Mike for using you as my example of us All! Thanks for being there for me to do that! ... this virgin has a lot of fun playing in whorehouses!!! peace! Share the Love! Share the Love!

That is a great dream really made me smile. thanks "theres nowhere to go and theres nothing to do, let all good things come to you" You got time I heard the very same words just the other day