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So, recently I had a dream and in it there was a wizened fellow in robes who was laughing at me. I couldn't understand just what was so funny...why was I the subject of such ridicule? The more upset I got about it the more he laughed... soon throwing his head back and forth, then clutching his belly, then adding a little dance with his legs, and then leaning against a wall only to slide down it... So okay the laugh was infectious...I started laughing too, most of the times I do feel pretty ridiculous what with some of the stuff that fills my head. So soon I join him on the floor, wiping tears of laughter from my eyes. And then he looks at me and his gaze is almost more than I can handle... Gloria he says, "You're trying too hard. There's nowhere to go and there's nothing to do, let all good things come to you." And then, "You've got time". So in regards to standing while practicing Kunlun. Imagine head, arms, hands, torso, legs, feet all moving at the same time. It didn't start off that way it progressed...the intensity of it progressed into more than my mind and body could handle, leaving me feeling nauseous and dizzy and dealing with too much energy to later ground, which is not to say that this would happen to any of you. It's just I have found that sitting is much more pleasant, more comfortable...a nicer ride in the long run. But by all means do as you feel is best for you. While what I experienced wasn't always pleasant it did serve as a good lesson about choice...how do you want to experience the passing scenery?

That was fun to watch. Saturday morning cartoons.... It's an interesting perspective. At the end Satan says "Life itself is only a vision, a dream. Nothing exists, save empty space and you, and you are only a thought." I feel that emptiness is the source, and vibration is the duality that comes from that source. To me they both are real. Complimentary even In death duality continues, as the energy from decomposing matter becomes something else. Maybe emptiness is not nothing, but everything. Like the circle that encompasses taichi. I don't know if the universe thinks about this kind of stuff, or if it just is. I prefer to just be. Thanks for sharing!

I expected something more after all the build up. It was just some naive kid spouting the communist/marxist dream.

the law of attraction in human bodies can increase to such a degree that events thought impossible will occur. The worst dream ever is cutting off one's head. The best dream ever is living life without one.. let go, so you can begin to feel the divine. Feeling her, she will pull you in, it's simple...Simplify each day till there is nothing left....kunlun is your catalyst

Got home from work last night at 2 a.m. Went into full-lotus. The magnetic field was stronger than usual from so many O at a Ds all day in full-lotus. I started having O at a Ds with my roommate's girlfriend. I thought this must be from the connection we've already made. Then she moved into the bathroom adjacent to my sleeping room and she stayed there for an hour in the bathtub. We just kept having O at a Ds and I exorcised all the stress from working late. At 3 a.m. I felt awesome and when I slept I had this AMAZING dream about these ecoanarchists (myself and friends from when I used to be listed in the Earth First! Journal as a contact back in 1994) involved in blowing up a parking ramp. This dream was based solely on reading just a HEADLINE from http://gnn.tv about two weeks ago. Then I realized the power of the subconscious -- how just a headline causing a strong emotional response can be stored in the brain as such amazing image experience. When I went into full-lotus this morning I realized that this experience was much like taking salvia and that my response was something like PTSD but that I processed it effectively.

I woke up in a dream, And that dream was me.

I agree. If you have the right methods and the right balance & moderation of things kids will be fine. Believe me they have more access to certain Chi than adults do. So yu have to cultivate that before they are 8 years old cause the "gates" tend to close down a bit then. Also the Universe knows best so trust in the creator/Universe for the appropriate energy for your children. Do not overload nor blast and keep things playful and fun. My son at 9 did 1000 push ups(sets of 20 till he finishes he jotted down all his sets we counted till he got to 1,000 mind you he couldn't move arms for a few days but he has an achievement in his little self now most kids never dream of. in one day not caused i forced him but because he wanted to. He is stronger than most of the kids his age yet small in size. Its all chi : ). If you keep things fun they will push themselves. I only tell them they have to train at least 2 xs a week and i give them energy every day in the morning before school during and at night when they go to bed. My 2 eldest are straight A students and honor role. My 3rd child is very creative and agile like spider. My youngest is 1 & 1/2 and is already talking words and readig some words in books, walked at 9 months. Feed herself. Goes up and down stairs climbs chairs, beds etc. So i think chi with kids goes a long way. Keep your self aligned with positive energy and your kids will do just fine. My kids kept bullys away and mean teachers away using energy work. THe reality is that their little imaginations and ajna chakras are a lot clearer than most adults so once they know they are really capable of making magic happening! Peace Santiago

Nan and Bodri seem to indicate its always inopportune to emit because there's always another level to be gained, but they mention no-leakage so much it appears to be some kind of complex. I just lost a big spooge emission in a lucid dream, I'm looking for the "retention is BS" people right now.

Nice Dream I will share something with you something. Once with Glenn we did some void meditations and we made heads disappear in front of group of people. now we where taught that is just dissolving into void into a Dzogchen or Mushin State. I remember both Glenn and I did it and there where a few other in room who watched. I can not say whether it relates to Kun lun or not cause i do not train Max's method but the effect of what we did is very real. It also happens to folks who practice a lot of Chod ritual & higher up Mandala Practices. Possibilities are endless. And the More in tune you are with Nature the better the flow. Peace Santiago

From within my own awakening. In a dream last night i saw Max, and many others. In the dream there was a computer on a desk, and on the screen was the name of one who attained golden dragon body. Max spoke in the dream. My heart was healed. I met Kan. He has Great compassion. It was truley an honor to meet him, I would not want to see him disapear On intolerance, and hatred. Intolerance makes the heart weak because no emotion can get in from those around us. We get weak from it because we don't get the food of the soul -Love. Intolerance forces lying, and hatred to happen. Perfect alchemy: Love, Familly, Community

Taomeow Posted Today, 11:27 AM You're living in a dream world, Neo. U2 are cute!

You're living in a dream world, Neo.

Painfull story, it hurts. Im sure its no coincidence you had that dream and found out about Ganesha. Good luck.

Sorry to hear that it didnt work out with the Baby, great dream do you or did you study about Ganesh before the dream? WYG

With these practices I have experienced constant change. I'll share a most recent experience. I have had big big shifts of consiousness in the past (these took many hours to achieve) -One left me in non body state where all bodies in any form were intersecting fields of light - this was way before KunLun. The end result of that experience was an absolute certainty that consiousness it's self is all power -the self and source are one in the same. I went hap hazard through the "spiritual stuff" with very good intent (intent is key-as mantra has recently stated) And came away with great experiences, and cognative understanding of the 'is', but nothing permanent- just imperical proof of the other side of things. With KunLun, and it's related practices -with the rate at which it evoles I really cannot sum up what has happened. I really love sharing with everyone, because from within my heart I cannot help feeling like i have found the mother load -the truth. Any way, a recent side effect of KunLun: I was sitting in a dimly lit room lost in a dream of what is yet to come, and my hands I noticed had a field of something like heat waves of golden hue emanating from them- I was actually seeing this with my eyes. I verified by moving my hands and looking at other objects that had the same kind of "energy" kindeling out of them........I believe it is best that we all share all that we have at this time. I know the KL forum is meant for this -time is short. Two months back i had to take a friend to the hospital who had lost a alot of blood. I waited with her for six hours, and during that time watched everything transpire as a movie in my eye prior to 'realitie's unfolding, moment by moment'. I shared with my friend the coming events of those six hours in great detail, and all unfolded as such: I saw clearly before hand what each doctor, and nurse would look like, the general presense/ persona, what they would say -diagnosys & such, the fact that they would loose my friends blood samples twice, and what they would say in excuse of thier ignorance. I was like watching a movie twenty minutes in advance, and watching it again.I wont write any more till the KL forum is shinning. What little i've shared here is only surface effect. The real changes, are still happening. I would like to encourage anyone who has the drive to evolve, who feels from thier heart, and needs an answere to the prime question to look at (feel) KunLun, please

I had a dream once, many years ago: A golden baby Ganesha came to me and told me I'd be visted with a difficult practice soon. Then I gave the baby Ganesha a bath and the bath water turned to milk. The next day, I took a trip with my lover to Venice beach for the first time. An Indian man was selling images og Lord Ganesha, and one image was a golden baby Ganesha dancing. I bought it, took it home, and gave it a bath in milk. I thought that was all. A week or two later, my lover discovered she was pregnant. At first I was very happy, but then she decided to abort the baby. At first I tried to be supportive, but in my heart, I really wanted the baby. My lover chose to go through with the abortion anyway, we seperated, and I was left without a home. I was wandering through a book store feeling quite destitute, and I remembered my dream. I thought, "What did that dream mean? Surely that baby Ganesha didn't mean to hurt me with his news. Surely he meant to help me, he is a loving god isn't he?" At that moment I saw a book on the shelf entitled "Loving Ganesh." I overcame that troubling time, and a practice I learned from that book was to chant the following: "Om Shri Ganesha ya Namha" I would do this using a mala, 108 times, after sitting zazen, so that my mind would be very quiet and clear. Thank you for allowing me to share this story.

*Even more humbly bows back* I used to follow the left-lobe, intellectual path, until I could go no further... I realized its limitations when I was stuck treading water. In fact, when I very first joined this board, I had just had a dream. (You can read that first post in my sig.) Where essentially, I was forced to start using my sensing to go further down the path... Feeling Heart Intuition God These are things I had been largely blocked from most of my life. I was always intellectually spiritual - but was "physically" disconnected from these aspects. But I later discovered just how paramount they are to navigation in spiritual ascension. No, you cannot just "think" your way through it. You are best off guided through opening these avenues. Freud & co were wrong. We are not merely mechanical men.

not in this realm : ) i have however met him physically once and exchanged energy with him. My friend who is arhatic Yogi and introduced me to Master Choa was crucial in my development years ago. He really helped me out before I met Dr. Morris. I have since then met with Master Choa in Dream yoga sessions, and in meditations a few times. I respect his work very much. He was a legit teacher and above all a real healer. I have been lucky and blessed to have had several wonderful teachers. I can say that I learned a lot from Choa through my friend & through his other bodies. It is interesting that all my teachers and those that influenced me greatly passed around the same time. Glenn Morris, Master Wu, Lama Khenpo, master Choa. I remember it was all within the a year of eachother. Peace Santiago

Hi Chris, these words remind me of my second shamanic dream-voyage: raven came to me in a dark cave...I asked what I could offer him... he answered: "give me your head and you will get my wings"... so I did... I was dancing fire in the sky... and for now its good to be here...walking on earth... enjoying the mud between my toes...being part of it all... ...closing my eyes, when the sun gets too bright... Ciao, Simone

Yeah well I've been researching this stuff based on my experiences. I even went to the doctor because I thought maybe I had an ear infection. He couldn't find anything. I knew I didn't have an infection -- that the pressure along my ear was from the qigong -- the right side -- but I basically hoped it was some more mundane, "normal" explanation. That was maybe 4 years ago. So I dug some more and discovered it was my vagus nerve -- then I discovered this new study showing that female climaxes are actually from the vagus nerve -- and I realized that indeed what was happening with me. Then I discovered that the vagus nerve transduces serotonin and anerobic bacteria. As for the bacteria -- well you have to use "proprioreception" - which is what Special Forces uses for the Brain Port. It's the sense of touch. I get a tingle sensation - like little bugs crawling around in my head. Crazy but that's what it literally is. I don't smell it -- unless I'm just waking up out of the theta dream state -- that final breath of dreaming -- or am in a good meditation. But, of course, people tell me indirectly -- and so I finally figured out how to FEEL the smell as the fuzzy, crawling sensation. Garlic does work though. Qigong master Chunyi Lin just eats one little veggie meal a day and fasts one day a week. So my diet is terrible compared to his. Anyway I've tried everything -- tea tree oil and peppermint, breathstrips, gum, mouthwash, toothpaste, tongue scraping -- etc. Tea tree oil and peppermint works but it's easy for it to be too strong or too weak. Basically my body is processing electrochemical energy at a really fast rate. I finally figured out that garlic really works but as long as I'm having "O at a Ds" then I have to eat garlic. I ran out of garlic at work today -- I was calling the garlic my "elixir" since my coworker had just seen Forbidden Kingdom again. haha. So then I switched to ethyl alcohol -- the problem of course is that it causes your vessels to contract. Yes I've researched all this stuff. I just full=lotus my way through "normal" civilization -- waiting for apocalypse. haha. I suppose I could just drink booze but I'm not into that scene. Anyway had about 10 more O at a Ds today so it's all good.

Off to work. Last night I dreamt I dropped acid with Einstein. It was AWESOME. haha. Anyway today I've just had health food -- lots of garlic, several bananas, two tangerines, two bunches of cilantro. Plus I don't know -- probably 10 O at a Ds -- full-lotus. I like to keep my head down as this posture is submissive for Cro magnons. -- So the cerebellum kicks out the love-light through the pineal gland. That makes the connection. The pineal gland is omni-direction but the eyes definitely focus the energy. The rest is just body language -- mutual. You can just search 'O at a D" at http://breakingopenthehead.com for my early discoveries of this practice. I have to eat garlic for the climaxes because it also transduces anerobic bacteria -- but the less food you eat the less anerobic bacteria.... so. Anyway about that dream.... ha!

I've been lurking here at TaoBums since I first learned about it from Tao Famous Plato. Weird path that got me here in a very short amount of time from my prostate problems I found his book we corresponded I went to the now famous Nityama seminar met Plato there and now onto here. I've always been interested in this type of stuff when I was younger but now Its good finding people that practice what i used to dream about.... I'm Andrew

Hello Chris! Although I haven't read Journey to the West, I've read about it. It's about 2000 pages long. The Monkey King faces challenges, and defeats them by changing into various things, shapeshifting. The 72 feats are just the 72 things he changes into, so far as I can tell. I didn't find a list of them, though. So it sounds like lucid shapeshifting is the goal; I don't know if the specific feats of the Monkey King will bring special results, but the practice of shapeshifting in Lucid dreams helps to solidify lucidity and control. That is, it's one thing to be aware of being in the dream, but frequently at this point you still are just in the dream. Practicing changing yourself, and the environment, is an essential step in being able to direct the lucid state, which allows you to get from the dream world of subconscious regurgitation to the astral realms - anywhere, really. I love the idea of doing the Monkey King feats. Let me know if you find any specifics, and if you have any success with it. I'll do the same. Best, Jim

not every sage talks of morality in a conventional sense. many go another way. they just don't get the spotlight as much unless they can be caricatured as truly diabolical. still, i think your perspective is very important. i'm not sure it's accurate, but i think the world benefits from our choosing to believe it is. in this dream world where people suffer from starvation and disease, we can serve those people on two fronts: a.) we can work to get them food and medicine. b.) we can end the dream by waking up. (word to ken)

Found some more on sleeping practices. This link also contains the tree practice from Wang Liping. I read the shuigong text you gave us YMWong. Thanks a lot! It seems shuigong is meditative practice or visualization done lying down. Nothing like the Tibetian Dream Yoga or Lucid Dreaming.