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Hi Mak, Ahh, that what it was. I should have asked. Instead of just assuming (around here people say ass-u-me, to mean that when you assume you make an ass of yourself and of the other person, as I did). Sorry about that. I too, tried for all our encounter to keep myself in the heart-mind. As I have been instructed. That was the blessing as it is coming from the tradition I come from. Yes, I realised when I wrote it that I was being imprecise. I just could not remember better. You did not say that you met him in your dream. But let me clarified further what I said, why, and where was it coming from. For a period of my life I have studied with a native american sciaman. The teachings were mostly about emotions. And in a particularly good series of workshop we participants were all able to be very well in touch with our emotions. Once this level was reached we discovered that in this state we could easily spot if someone who was speaking was not being totally truthful. I worked on this for a long time, so now I know that this is done by hearing the vibration in the voice. When a person is telling the truth, all the truth and just the truth, then its voice vibrates with the emotions, but does not falter. Instead there is a particular way in which the voice vibrates when you are saying something that you do not believe yourself. FOr all the conversation your voice was connected, honest. When you explained how your teacher was this immortal, I felt it faltering. It is hard to explain for me what I felt. And of course you can deny that it happened. Or explain that it has another meaning. I felt I could not write this review without raising this warning, as I perceived it. I felt if I did, I would not have been truthful myself to the task I was doing. Said all this I find very interesting your explenation about taoist altars. I also would like to clarify that I did not find the energy to be packed, but to be packed with presences. Like if there were many beings in a little space. How interesting! This is such a clear example of a cultural difference. In the culture I come from asking questions (not too much, kids can easily exagerate ) is regarded as making a person at ease, in general. As you let the person speak about something they are really interested. And meditators who usually disregard in some sense some of the usual social norms, still tend to ask often many questions. The meditator world in the west is so differetiated, that each meditator can often tell you some really interesting and diverse stories. *********** Something I would like to add to my review: I also noticed that Mak did not have a full mastery of English. So he expected his students to learn Chinese. Personally if I were to study with Mak I would be grateful for this extra element, as there are many teachings that are implicit in a language itself. Some time ago someone (goldisheavy?) commented that traditions should be translated. Yes, that is true, but to translate a tradition you need to have mastery both in the tradition and in the language. If you knowledge in any of the two is limited this will give problems later on in life. Probably Taoism in Nature's teachings will eventually all be translated, so that people do not need to learn chinese. But this will not happen at least for another generation, maybe more. Only a taoist who is mother tongue english will have the proficiency to translate something of the depth of a tradition. Cheers, Pietro Hello fizix, you sound frustrated. Even though Mak is selling Fu's, so his presence over here is increasing this business, my understanding is that he is not using this money for himself. Also he seem to be very nice in only commenting on his own threads (and few related, like this one), so if you do not want to read his point of view, you can quite simply ignore him. Regarding the fact that he can teach or not. I am not sure about you, but I surely don't know, for example, how to open, and keep an altar like he does. This for example is something on which I have a lot to learn. Although of course you might not be interested, yourself. Pietro I'll be travelling for the next days, until after Christmas, so I might answer later any comments. I hope the review was helpful. Pietro

Siddhas powers are a beautiful reminder that we are more then we seem. "The purpose of existence, is to understand existence itself." The crux however, is to see more humans with high ethical standards. This is all that holds every one of us back. Once this is accomplished to a certain degree, these powers will have great effect upon improving the planet and more then you can dream. Am trying to be a good influence for my "brothers and sisters"

Hi Pietro, I am happy to meet with you too. I was holding a whisk in my hand when I was talking to you because it is a way of respect for a taoist to hold a whisk while talking to any visitors. The whisk means to clean and purify that means I will try to clean and purify whoever I am takling to. which also means giving blessings. Maybe you do not understand the culture, but that is the reason. The immortals I have been learning from is not in my dream. I do saw them with my eyes when I am trianing in fornt of the altar. If you train under the system, you may see them sometimes around the altar. Some of my students already saw grandmasters (immortals) around the altar alot of times already. If you do have the open mind to feel and see sometimes, you may see it too. The sifu in China have not met with me face to face, but we are communicating via the altar daily. That is how taoist teach taoist in the old days because of one reason. The only reason is that the master is too pure, he really have to get out of the public society and leave the polluted world, but he also have to pass on this knowledge he have. So he find a middle person and search for a student. Then the student learn and get attuned by the middle person. From then on, the student will then learn from the master in the mountain via the altar with a special trianing. Of course that is not found in a book or magazine! This way the master will not be polluted and secondly the master will be able to teach the student face to face (via the altar). That is a tradition in Taoism. That is how the old masters teach. But of course it is rarely open to the public to see the back story. It is a pleasure to meet you in the temple. Good luck on your trianing in the future. I did not ask you for your info not because I am not interested. I am there waiting for any faith to come. If faith come, you will tell me, if you do not want to tell me, why bother asking? That is just a way how Wu-wei is done without anything intention. It is a kind of phillosophy build into the mind. I do not ask anything unless you want me to ask. So I just sit and wait for you to ask. You are the guest, not me. Right? haha! Mak Tin Si You can of course try out how the FU works. It does require trust to get it to work. If you judge the fu and treat it without respect, the energy on the FU will not work. That is because FU need the "intention" to work with the FU. If you burn a FU into water for bathing, thinking about eating burgers, the FU will not have 100% of the effect, maybe only 30. You have to think, this fu is going to make me cleans my body and energy and purify my mind. Then the fu works great! If you want to try one, I suggest a FU call bathing FU to you. Take 2 and try it the first time, you may feel the difference right after the bath. I have had a reiki master who did reiki teaching for 10yrs, she was shocked by how the bathing FU worked for her and she got addicted to it too! haha! she called it the "energy bath". She saw all kinds of lights on the water surface and golden sparkles in the water when cleansing. Very nice.

the way I hear it the Buddha ate too much and died of gastric problems- he too seems to have been swept up in hero-worship in the end...and The Christ had such a bad end as to be avoided as well- lets just be ourselves and leave the value judgements behind- this seems very self engrandizeing -why not just have a meeting of seekers without claims of any sort-? I have designed a few buildings meant to be panthiist centers that are based on Bagua (8 sided central atrium surrounded by a park, not archatectural but on graph paper with feng shui being the most enclusive basis for design...It is a long held dream of mine. let us buy a lottery ticket together- using our collective energy to win the funds?! it may just work!

I am on my way to Portugal. I am just starting a 5 years post doc at Coimbra university. The land over there is very cheap respect to European standards, and in some places can be both secluded and practical if you are still working in the world. I have observed that there are two type of retreats. The first type is where everybody is practicing the same thing. Like Dao Zhen plan, for example. TO do this you need to have enough people to be interested, all sharing the same path, and the same teacher. What I want to build is different. More akin to an open house for taoists practitioners. I like the saying, if you come you will not be turned away, if you leave, we will not ask you to remain. I am right now in the process of discussing about an old house next to a village. The house has about half an hectar of land. Some of it is the side of a hill. It has a well, and a stream. It is an old house, in the sense that it is perfect... if you are ok in living as they would live 200 years ago. FOr now, there is no hot water. A fire place in the kitchen. And that's all. I expect to renovate it, and make it a bit less spartane. For example I am thinking about not even having Internet! Once I have bought it I will look for people who want to come and share the dream, the space, the practice and the work. I am an instructor both according to Mantak Chia and to Bruce Frantzis, so if anyone who lives there wants me to share some of the practices I will be happy to do so (and viceversa). But I am NOT looking to build yet another community who survives out of workshops. I will keep my daily job in town. At least for the next 5 years. But whoever wants to come and share will be welcome.

Yes, I agree. We are thinking that it is perhaps best with just 3 members. Too many people and it makes trouble with the local government. My teacher would most likely also visit at times; but now he is in a cave in the remote mountains. It was taught that men and women shopuld be seperate, due to the nature of attraction, etc. I think the time frame can differ depending on ones Heavenly Attributes they are born with; generally we think 9 - 12 years is a good time. I think if a member does want to leave in the middle of the course of practice, it is their freedom, but they can not rejoin later. Yes, all members have to be serious in their goal to practice Alchemy Meditation. We are seeking to gain our liberation, and uncover our True Nature from practice. Yet in the first stages, we need companions, and can support each others practice. There will be a very strict time schedule, and rules to create the proper environment for serious practice. We must have some rules, to make sure it is a quiet environment. In addition to the meditation practice, there must be some farming activity for the first year or perhaps two. From my teachers experience and method, it is said that after perhaps 3 - 6 months of following the practice in retreat - doing the practice 9 or more hours per day - very little food is needed - but we must also be practical, and prepare stores of food, and have a good farm area for vegetables. I am very serious to pursue this goal, as from my experience the problem is environment. You must have a remote and quiet place in nature to take part in the serious long term practice. We feel we will have enough money to support all costs for the project; though members are welcome to donate funds if they join to show their sincere feeling in support of this effort we are making. Would you be interested in joining this goal and shared dream?

Yes! The magnetic power of attraction! The mind and nervous system is a magnet. Think of a pink elephant all day (which isn't even real) and I bet you dream of pink elephants, then pretty soon your at the circus looking at stuffed elements and spending money to win a weird game (afterall your playing for a pink panther) then you worked so hard for it you might as well sleep with it and call it a Pink Martini... but really it's a big dumbo for the is nit kam aic sucker. You have to observe things over a period of time, forwards and backwards.

Dumb question day;-) So if I can get myself flying (I have to make a big effort to do so BTW, and I can only get a bit off the ground intentionally, not fly like a jet plane) in my dreams, that doesn't count, does it? Does it only count if someone else can see it? Or if I made a video of my dream? Like an ECG, or do other people have to be able to see it as pictures in their own minds that they consider believable to be able to say I did do it? Can the videos be in black and white or is colour manditory? I`m sort of confused about that. But if we're strictly talking about lifting my waking body off the surface of the earth for a while, in a manner that other people can watch 'in real time' all while they're there (and not asleep) and say 'yes she did fly' then no I can't. And if I could, why would I do it? Save airfares? Or gas? ok maybe good then;-) Unless you count jumping on or off things. In which case we all fly all the time, every time we put one foot in front of the other. I told you it was a dumb question day! Kate

It is a joke. People said that he have got into immortal and fly up to the heaven. BUT!! He died from illness, which is PAIN and not happy. I guess people must wake up from this dream about this master being an immortal. People in the temple even held a ceremony said to raise this master up to become an immortal in the heaven. Which is totally a joke. This Tin Si is a very joking one, who brought up a lot of politics issues nowaday and mess the world of taoism up because he left no answer for the people about who he want to pass his pose to and now everybody is battling for it. Wow, what a responsible master. YM, Don't tell me this is who you think is a great Tin Si. Every taoist who trained to become an immortal do not DIE from illness, they just left the society and get a place to meditate and then vanished, which is called the BAK YAT FEI SING. Immotallity is achieved with the basic of good health and no illness.. This person here die from illness and he was a person in army before in his past.. wow, so not Taoist. Die from illness, why people say he become an immortal and held that joking ceremony for him after his death not even 49days after the funeral? Are they lack of education or what? Do you know?

In 4D, all possibility is real! The part of our collective-mind that gets challenged by the few who can speak the truth is the part most programed to the psychosomatic status quo. We live in a dream world of servitude, and yield to anything seeming constant. The truth is always new, and unseen. What have we created today? I would give KunLun a try my friends

God does not have parts. If you want to work with the God concept, which is not necessary, the correct way to view it is to say that there is only God. Period. End of story. No parts and no other things. No egos. No Shaitan and so on. Just God dreaming whatever the fuck God wants to dream up, forever and ever and beyond time. For fun and for reasons that can't be explained.

Yesterday I woke from a wonderful dream in which I was being deeply embraced in a loving way. No demands, no expectations, no speech. Just embraced. Not sexual. If there are demons, does that mean there are also angels?

Yes. Unless you dream of people having sex with you or people sexually harrasing you. That is a symtom telling you that you have been attacked or would be attacked by negative spirits or energy. So then you may consider being careful in the coming days. There would also be tips in the dreams of WHO and WHERE and WHAT will attack you soon. But that is of course very hard to learn since it is difference everytime and takes more knowledge to judge. I feel sorry for those who really got demon possed at them to hear what you said. It is crucial and you are going very deep in false speech because you are making statement which you never experience this kind of things. Just like a kid telling people he can fly and he have wings. Naive and close minded in your own fantasy. Worthless to talk.

I have experienced both sleep paralysis and what I consider to be one experience of demon possession. The sleep paralysis was connected to a phenomenon called "false awakening"; basically, I would dream that I woke up, go about my business, realize that I was still dreaming (a few times because I happened to glance at the bed and notice my sleeping body there), and have to wake up all over again -- very disorienting. Sometimes I would end up in an in between state where I could feel my body but was completely immobilized, while my mind was more or less awake and my eyes were either open or dreaming the room (both have happened); this was described to me as sleep paralysis. I never felt a "presence", and I always snapped out of it eventually, a little startled, but no other problems; as you said, no sweating, no panic, no chills, and I didn't see anything unusual. This was all before I heard about astral travel, of course . My experience with demon possession was years later, and quite different. I was taking a shower right after waking up, and as I stood there I half dozed off...out of nowhere, I began to see flashes of an alligator crawling towards me, accompanied by threatening bursts of oboe music ( ). I examined the threatening aspect of the vision to see why it bothered me. Suddenly, this became images of a naked, adult male figure falling repeatedly backwards into a pond, in which I was floating halfway between the bottom and the surface. I was interested, but otherwise unaffected at this point; it occasionally happens that I have "visions" of some human figure (sometimes male, sometimes female, sometimes a child ) doing some odd thing or other, and I assumed that the figure was my Other (unconscious shadow, more or less) as it often was. This time its body was built like a Greek god, its hair was chin length and shaggy and dark, and its face was vacant. As I paid more attention to it, it turned to look at me. When our eyes met, it occurred to me that the "water" was associated with my consciousness, and that by falling into it and catching my attention it had gained the ability to remain there for the moment. As we looked each other in the eye, I could feel us beginning to meld together... At this point I knew something was amiss. It did not feel right. It felt foreign, malicious, empty, possessive...I don't know how to really describe it but it was not what I expected. I was still standing with my eyes open, and I could move if I made an effort, but I had the distinct feeling of something sharing my body, like I had to overcome the volition of the foreign entity in order to move. It did not have complete control, but I could feel it pushing. Suddenly a voice in my head reminded me that no matter what energy was intruding, that my consciousness should be the "flagship", that if this energy was here I should find what was useful to me and make it mine, dispelling the rest (this is close to something I had been thinking about lately) and try be done with it. Summoning all of my strength, I probed with my awareness, and found a bubbling, flowing, pushing energy that seemed to have the power to travel and change things in surges and flows, subtly and by degrees, into something completely different. I realized that's what the demon was trying to do to me. When I found the entity's power, it seemed to come under control. I immediately reasserted myself and shook off the bad energy, retaining the memory and just a tiny bit of the entity's power. I felt drained, a little cold (even in the hot shower), and fragile, and I was shaking a little, but I was myself again and I had a new confidence. The flashes of the alligator came back, crawling away from me in reverse this time, no music, and faded away. It never came back. Thinking back on it later, I became convinced I was visited by a water demon. Scary stuff! What are your thoughts?

So if I have lucid dreams or dream paralyses and feel warm and/or energized when I wake up it is not a demon that have possesed me?

What a shudder making tale. How were you afterward, Stig? My psychology training is telling me that the place you were staying activated your own unconscious shadow to such a degree that it reared up to meet you....so that you could experience an inner confrontation between your light side and your dark. And I wonder if the energy of that place became embodied for you,in your dream state, because you needed to know that you could and would take a strong stance against it, because it was so threatening. So you reassured yourself of your own power. Reassured yourself that it was no threat to you. Saw it off. If it was your own darkness, or a dark force 'outside' of you, either way, the effect was the same. You strengthened your own sense of yourself in some way, and gained a deeper knowledge of the feeling of darkness. It shows how very strong you are. A lot of us would have woken up sweating and full of fear, and not resolved the issue. I hope you had a really good pot of tea after that battle, Stig.

So a friend of mine was teasing me about being a hermit, asking why I was still single at my age. I told him because no women share my dream... So I thought I would try to see if he was wrong. Do any women out there live life solely for the hope of achieving ascension in this lifetime? e.g. becoming an immortal and or free from rebirth

I just spent the last day visiting and eating with this wonderful woman dancer coreographer and musician. She helped me understand spotting pivots. Western Ballet trained, breaking the modern contemporary dancer molds with spontaneous music interpretations. A true dream artist that my spinning heart coincided with. Blessings to her on her journeys. Speechless. Original Music & Cooreography Here: zJGcEJOAaSo

Taoism the religion is not just a belief, it is also something that work with the phillosophy. The problem now is that most people just see DaoJia, the phillosophy side as the WHOLE of taoism, but it is really missing out lots of good stuff which combine with it. Without phillosophy, the religion do not make any sense, but without religion, your phillosophy is just a fantasy which is not practical and just get you in a dream or fantasy. They work together. That is TAOISM.

If what I so passionately am seeking has a name, I hope I will hear this name in my dreams tonight. Dream it up.

Ah the innocence of young mind! You may think you're special, but there's a "Benny" at every corner of the street. FREE MEAL is the ancient dream of humanity. Maybe we'll get there someday, but no reason to impose a fantasy on real life right now... Take care L1

Nice thread!!! I just came home from a treatment where my atlas was corrected. It was some kind of Cranial Sacral Therapy called Rosenberger or something. And it feels gooooood! The whole body is light, flexible and free. Ive also just begun to go to a chiropractor and I asked him about the atlas method(my brother in law has done it). He said it was just a simple chiropractic techniques that every chiropractor does but that someone has taken out of context and created his own method. Just like lockfoot, he said. And Kinesology. All come from chiropractics. But anyways...on monday Im going to get an x-ray of my whole spine from hip to cranium! Its been a dream for many many years to x-ray my spine!

This book may interest you hervoyel: http://www.scribd.com/doc/2535738/The-Tibe...Dream-and-Sleep

maybe this is a stupid question, but i`d like to know if you all who practice this "dream yoga" don`t suffer from a lack of sleep/lack of energy during day time. for me this is real problem - which made it so difficult for me that i stopped to work with these methods soon after the first lessons. i have to add that i work at night, too - which doesn`t mean that i can`t sleep at my place of work. but my time for sleep there is very limited - and depending upon the circumstances. and when i go to bed after work my head is full of thoughts and worries and ususally i am really tired. then i am happy when i manage to meditate for a short time. i just don`t have the energy to do more exercises.

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