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People who compare aging with other natural phenomena seems forget one crucial thing : The changing phenomena happen in non-human things are clearly different from what happen on human beings ; all things except human beings has consciousness or more precisely speaking : self-consciousness . No living things on this planet except humans can discover qi in their own bodies themselves , nourish it for years , and then upgrade it to a new , utmost level : SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS ( ENLIGHTENMENT ) an awakening in which we find ourselves not only as some poor , lonely , powerless individuals in this world ,but always linking with the whole world , our mind linking with other people's mind ; under that spiritual situation , we also know and manipulate the internal situation of our own bodies better , can even stop own breathing or heart beating with ease...a real unity of consciousness with body therefore realized . Eliminating the alienation between our consciousness and our physical body is one of the great achievements of Taoism ( even Marx did not dream of doing so ) . Of course, without having attained certain level of AWAKENING, never can you interfere the process of aging .

Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Bill Hicks 1961-1994

Who gave you the deficient blood/yin diagnosis? Switching to an all raw/vegan diet is significantly cooler than a meat/cooked foods diet. Hair loss is a symptom of cold, yang deficiency. Vegan/raw diets will exacerbate problems for essence deficient/yang deficient/spleen deficient persons. Blood deficiency is a general cause of premature graying hair. If the deficiency is due to deficient Jing essence, particularly of the kidney and liver (with symptoms like ringing ears, copious night urination, lower back discomfort, etc), then it's a bad idea to go vegan/raw. If the deficiency is due to deficient nourishing blood, often due to excessive thinking/anxiety/stress and resulting in heat symptoms such as insomnia and very dream-full sleep, then I think vegan/raw diet would be ok.

Yeah Santiago -- I discovered this book last night: http://astore.amazon.com/dream-healer-20/d...5829078-6864820 Adam pulls this "green blob" out of this lady's head -- actually his mom! -- and she's immediately healed. haha. Now back to our "main program."

Would it help to say the show was meant as an allegory to our future? We can choose a future of liberal democrats ecological dream or an evil republicans corperate conspiracy future. At a deeper level it is a story of the war in heaven and the heros journey. Come on.... its a great show!

Dear Tao Bums, It is getting pretty late here, but I will try to answer some of your questions briefly. My meditation CD entitled Qi Dao Initiation is available for download on Amazon.com. The physical CDs will be available very soon. They are also going to be included into the Basic Qi Dao Home Study Course, which will also include my hard cover book, audiobook, workbook and DVD. Additionally, everyone who purchases this course will have free access to my teleseminars and online tutorials for one month. To get some more information about Qi Dao, please visit Qidao.org. As far as I know, nobody else from our clan has a website yet, but you are welcome to do some Google search or visit Wikipedia.org. I have given numerous interviews online to the media, some of which may be found online. As to my personal experience with Qi Dao, I started practicing quite early, at a tender age of six. My Grandpa was an awesome Qigong master and Russian Martial Arts paragon, so I aspired to become like him. Thirty plus years later, I just dream about doing some of the feats he was capable of. Finally, I have to admit that I do not like sitting in lotus position, although I am flexible enough to twist my legs into a pretzel. Alas, I have not found any way to maintain a vertical alignment of the spine without tensing up my hip flexors when sitting like that. My favorite meditative position is savasana, but I often use Zen-style seiza, as you may see on my blog. Please feel free to ask more questions or come to Portland, where I am teaching a workshop at Portland Subud Center on August 23, 2008. Drop me a line if you are interested in the Initiation CD or the Home Study Course and I will be happy to get them to you as soon as they are available. Aloha P.S. I finally got around to taking a look at the Qi Dao video clip on YouTube. Although it is very basic and incomplete in terms of mentioning only three alignments and leaving out the most important one, you may actually tell that these principles can be quite applicable in various sports as well as healing and other martial arts. I am actually going to present a workshop on the use of Qi Dao for peak performance in healing and martial arts at the World Qigong Congress in San Fran on September 22, 2008. I would love to see you guys there.

When it comes to my practice and way of being I learned a lot of what i know from my teachers & also directly from the source. But see I know how to connect to my true Root Guru. Yes in theory you are correct No one needs a master. It just takes longer with out guidance but you can still do it. Also if its meant for you to learn it you will regardless of what the subject matter is. The creator will manifest the information you need and the timing for it when you are ready for it. It may come through a teacher in the flesh, or non embodied teacher or from a dream, or it is just revealed to you in meditation. If your gut says yes do it. Pay the 10,000 or what ever the cost is. When you have learned your business come pay me a visit so we can play. Peace Santiago

Ok the forums arguments sounds very convincing and I found the logic that you are talking about, charging that fee will surely keep curious out, and after wandering on the forums site a little more I found that for David students forum access is free or almost free. Yes, I know this thread its probably going to get nasty at some point, I hope it doesn't but there will always will be people with not enough maturity and/or consciousness that will act based on primal impulses. As for David been a sham, I don't say he is and I really wish that he is not ... actually next year I'm starting a trip to Asia starting on Thailand going through all southeast Asia and arriving at Beijing,China ... I'm doing some way of long term backpacking called Vagabonding, my hope and my dream is to have the opportunity of just know some of the real masters and even if possible by a long shot learn and study a bit with them. That's why I'm doing research of all the master over the world, and David caught my attention for sure. Let's see what the destiny has saved for me. Regards

He doesn't have a clue regarding neigong, what it requires, or the purpose of this kind of training. Yet, he shamelessly name drops John Chang, someone I doubt he has ever met, and talks of 'Chi ball fire meditation'. Oh Lord... I'm sick and tired of people like him peddling the dream of esoteric powers and using peoples naivety-and desire-to line his own pocket, (his website is covered in Pay Pal 'Donation' buttons and Google Ads). It is about service to others and spiritual attainment, not thunder bolts or flying around on top of pink clouds, (that would be a reference to the old Monkey TV series for anyone who hasn't seen it). 'Sigh'...

I find it rather disturbing, sometimes even slightly amusing, that people are so eager to mess with their reality. Most of you here are aware of the gateway through the pineal gland to the dream spheres (astral's, loka's, bardo's) but knowing about such things doesn't mean they exist to be consciously used and to think such is a stumbling block to any true spiritual progress. I've had a few semi lucid dreams recently, mainly because I've been drinking, and they've all been rather dark and disturbing yet the special effect were top notch! I don't normally remember my dreams and that's probably because I'm not interested in special effects. As I've mentioned before on this forum I've done the out of body stuff as well as time travel and manifesting things/stuff and it's all simply the special effects of the mind! Needless to say messing with such things inevitably ends in madness because the blurring of your reality is an ego trip. I won't deny that people believe they saw someone levitate but I know in the physical realm this is impossible. Experience being a superman and then let it go otherwise you risk getting burnt! Tempting people with the idea of special powers simply shows you how unenlightened such teachers are. Yes nearly all masters, teachers etc (they're really all just people) are aware of the special effects but only the idiot ones give any credence to them. Check your motives before you take the red pill lest you end up another idiot master or worse a rambling schitzo.

Abe -- the CHI is ELECTROMAGNETIC fields -- so you can test this very easily. Just put your palms slightly apart -- after rubbing the center of your hands together strongly. Or you can make the "sword fingers" with one hand and point it at the other hand palm while circling the sword fingers. But that's the body chi -- my current focus is on the pineal gland or brain electromagnetic fields. So my body chi tends to be low while the pineal gland chi will build up after continous "O at a Ds" -- since I'm not STORING the chi in my body. So the electromagnetic field then projects out of my pineal gland as directed by my eyes -- or just as sucked up by surrounding female electrochemical energy. The more "O at a Ds" the stronger is the pineal gland electromagnetic field created. Fascinating and I'll add: While I attended the U of MN in 1997 I had the pleasure of moving into a house where this beautiful young Andean indigenous female lived. She took me to her town of Merida Venezuela. She visited various female healers in the villages while I tagged along with her son. One evening, in the beautiful mountains, we drank potato chica. That night, after the "Inca Revenge" took its toll on my intestines, I could not sleep because my heart chakra was so heated up with unrequited love for this indigenous Andean female. I relationship was Platonic. Anyway I had to sing to myself as the only means of dispersing the energy but then all of a sudden my mind switched into this weird vision that I could not stop at all. My whole life flashed before me like a movie only it didn't happen chronologically -- it happened psychologically. Events years apart were connected simultaneously because the latter had psychically resolved the tension of the former. Amazed I was forced to watch this NDE unfold at mind-boggling speed. The next day I just sat off on my own and was intensely serene the rest of the trip. In my subsequent research I discovered a Science Citation Index study where mountain climbers were tested for melatonin levels. Turns out melatonin sky-rockets when you are high up in elevation, as would be the case in the Andes. And as been shown, melatonin turns into DMT -- the dream vision molecule used for spirit travel.

Thankx so far girls and guys... and "joeblast": I very much hope the jetlag is over, you had a good time whereever you where, and that you find some time to elaborate... I want to extend my question: We know from M Winn that he once spoke of "having tracked ""some master"" in the spiritual planes"... Santiago (glad to have him here for several reasons) in another thread stated something similar to "I have done enough real dream yoga to know who Max is"... So. Looking for an answer for the reasons of security in the truth of those statements. Simple phaenomelogical philosophy tells us that most if not all is in the eyes of the observer... thereby its meaning, its structure etc. etc. etc. Why is what "you" see "true" and NOT infallible? What is the guiding line to indeed know one is right, sees things right, experiences the true as truth and not the false etc. etc. etc. Recently someone asked me why I do what I do. If I do not feel restricted by what I chose to practice etc. etc. etc. From all the earlier discussions I have realized there is only one answer I can give: That I feel drawn to it. So far though I have not found one good reason to "know for sure" that "this is it"... quite a few of you do I see not one possible good explanation for why that is, except that you either have a narcistic like component, a truly misdeveloped sense of being able to differentiate ... OR a infallible guideline just "feeling connected", "being able to do certain things", "being able to see certain things" can not be it, as many claim the same and still do not agree and just feeling, doing, seeing is no guarantee in itself that what you feel, do, see has any other than a subjective truth make me happy be giving me an infallible answer. Harry

I read the book. I was under the impression that Tigresses do that practice initially to rejuvenate their bodies over a 3 year initial period, then they eventually stop doing that and they attain liberation from rebirth, and form a spiritual child. Their bodies have to be rejuvenated to accomplish this. So, their goal is to reach some kind of immortality and liberation. It seems like the tigress doesn't feel like she is stealing, merely that she is more efficiently capturing energy that would otherwise be wasted in a wet dream. If a man chooses to give his essence to her, and she chooses to use it to rejuvenate herself, then she is not stealing, and if in fact she benefits the man through stimulating his points and makes him in better health than when he started, she is doing a good action. That said, no doubt aspirin is a crappy contraceptive, but some use it as a preventative for heart attack.

If it suits you great and I mean that from the heart. Who said I have a problem with TANTRA & BLISS practices? I certainly never did. TANTRA & BLISS is what i do I have the greatest bliss of all, a Real Connection to my true ROOT GURU. I do not need anything else truly. Well I know of 4 personally I know others that know of some aswell that are different. 4 fit on a small boat so that would be a boat load. But again it doesn't matter. Max makes you happy great. Party on. Good for him he was a bit too skinny. That is good he is eating well. Well again Good I am happy for him and for those of you that are loyal to him. Loyalty to your teacher is a a good thing. I have done enough real dream Yoga to know who Max is. As I said before I like Max. I do not suscribe to what he does now nor care to. If it works for you GREAT. Follow your heart. Think what you want frankly it makes no difference to me My development is real and it comes from the source of all sources and yes it can be impregnated into Cassettes, CDs, DVDs, Internet messages and or any medium for that matter. All I can say to you is.... God bless you. Santiago

Yea they would work but again its not what Glenn did. If you want that you should come see me or Rob Williams or Tao Semko. We do not deal with mark at all. God bless him I wish him the best but proof is in the pudding. Activate lucid dream work, open upper centers, astral & void travel, manifestation, Phowa, healing, enhancing brain functions, shamanic path work. Yes where are you located? Santiago

Hi alfa, Seeing visions during meditation is a normal phenomenon. It occurs so often for me that I just ignore them because they are sort of a distraction. (I pay attention to the persistent visions, the ones that don't go away after you've stopped meditating). At the AYP forum and in Yogani's lessons, he says you are supposed to ignore the visions/images. I did notice that one time when I meditated lying down, I entered a state in which I saw continual videos or dreams (people and things moving around like real life.) I think the supine posture precipitates lucid dreaming or third eye activation. Again, the shows (continuous images) are a distraction but still very interesting as a phenomenon. It seems like willful effort to remain conscious while relaxing the body will put you into or past the dream state while maintaining a link to your usual consciousness. If you are interested in developing your meditation, I would join a group or check out the AYP forum. Yogani has free lessons online and the forum is full of nice respectful meditators. It is a good place to ask questions, learn about meditation (stillness or deep silence meditation) and read about others' experiences. TI

You have nothing to worry about. Sleep paralysis isn't dangerous and lucid dreaming is pretty easy to learn. No teacher is needed, just keep desiring it and keep a dream diary and it will come naturally after a while. An odd observation though: it seems like male lucid dreamers can't have orgasms in the dreams, while I have heard that female dreamers can. I wonder why. Seems unfair to me.

My perspective as a married man with children and a profession and a thirst for physical, intellectual, and spiritual challenge. Personal cultivation is a wonderful thing. It challenges me endlessly on physical, mental, and spiritual levels. I have managed to incorporate them into my busy life. My family has suffered for it to some degree but I like to think they also benefit. I look at having a family as an important part of a fulfilling life for me. Not everyone feels the desire. The joys and heartbreaks of a long term relationship and raising children are infinitely more intense to me than the highest highs or lowest lows of cultivation. I would not have a fraction of my understanding and appreciation for life without being a parent and husband. It has been the source of some of my greatest pain and challenges. On the other hand, it provides the greatest rewards one can dream of. Nevertheless, personal cultivation remains an extremely important part of my life. It gives me an opportunity to be totally selfish and work on myself. It helps to balance me. There is a reason why cultivators go off to live as hermits for serious meditation in Chinese, Japanese, and Indian cultures (not to mention Western culture). Maintaining a very rigorous schedule of training is extremely difficult while living in society and providing for a family. On the other hand, some of these cultures also appreciate the value of experiencing the more "mundane" aspects of life either before or after the cultivation practice.

MIKE! harsh ? Personal attacks on Mirrors ??? Careful! Don't want to shatter any ... 7ish years bad luck and some such ladders start falling on black cats and all ... LOL. are we looking into the mirror or are we looking out of the mirror? and butterflies dream! If lookin' for write or wrong ... u all r. Me too! Have to sift(pan) through a whole lot of sand to find the gold (I like pretty sand, too!) then when we find it ... let it go. let it flow. down the river, it is the sea. the clouds are the Soul of the ocean! all the same. Peace kids! Shon. play nice now. I'd so like to Rip into some of the shamanism stuff on here! Could tell such stories of death! Birth can be just as hard and messy. they go hand in hand. U flip the same coin! but need to put my ego on a diet! LOL. Some folks might get parts of this???LOL! Sorry Mike for using you as my example of us All! Thanks for being there for me to do that! ... this virgin has a lot of fun playing in whorehouses!!! peace! Share the Love! Share the Love!

That is a great dream really made me smile. thanks "theres nowhere to go and theres nothing to do, let all good things come to you" You got time I heard the very same words just the other day

So, recently I had a dream and in it there was a wizened fellow in robes who was laughing at me. I couldn't understand just what was so funny...why was I the subject of such ridicule? The more upset I got about it the more he laughed... soon throwing his head back and forth, then clutching his belly, then adding a little dance with his legs, and then leaning against a wall only to slide down it... So okay the laugh was infectious...I started laughing too, most of the times I do feel pretty ridiculous what with some of the stuff that fills my head. So soon I join him on the floor, wiping tears of laughter from my eyes. And then he looks at me and his gaze is almost more than I can handle... Gloria he says, "You're trying too hard. There's nowhere to go and there's nothing to do, let all good things come to you." And then, "You've got time". So in regards to standing while practicing Kunlun. Imagine head, arms, hands, torso, legs, feet all moving at the same time. It didn't start off that way it progressed...the intensity of it progressed into more than my mind and body could handle, leaving me feeling nauseous and dizzy and dealing with too much energy to later ground, which is not to say that this would happen to any of you. It's just I have found that sitting is much more pleasant, more comfortable...a nicer ride in the long run. But by all means do as you feel is best for you. While what I experienced wasn't always pleasant it did serve as a good lesson about choice...how do you want to experience the passing scenery?

That was fun to watch. Saturday morning cartoons.... It's an interesting perspective. At the end Satan says "Life itself is only a vision, a dream. Nothing exists, save empty space and you, and you are only a thought." I feel that emptiness is the source, and vibration is the duality that comes from that source. To me they both are real. Complimentary even In death duality continues, as the energy from decomposing matter becomes something else. Maybe emptiness is not nothing, but everything. Like the circle that encompasses taichi. I don't know if the universe thinks about this kind of stuff, or if it just is. I prefer to just be. Thanks for sharing!

I expected something more after all the build up. It was just some naive kid spouting the communist/marxist dream.

I agree. If you have the right methods and the right balance & moderation of things kids will be fine. Believe me they have more access to certain Chi than adults do. So yu have to cultivate that before they are 8 years old cause the "gates" tend to close down a bit then. Also the Universe knows best so trust in the creator/Universe for the appropriate energy for your children. Do not overload nor blast and keep things playful and fun. My son at 9 did 1000 push ups(sets of 20 till he finishes he jotted down all his sets we counted till he got to 1,000 mind you he couldn't move arms for a few days but he has an achievement in his little self now most kids never dream of. in one day not caused i forced him but because he wanted to. He is stronger than most of the kids his age yet small in size. Its all chi : ). If you keep things fun they will push themselves. I only tell them they have to train at least 2 xs a week and i give them energy every day in the morning before school during and at night when they go to bed. My 2 eldest are straight A students and honor role. My 3rd child is very creative and agile like spider. My youngest is 1 & 1/2 and is already talking words and readig some words in books, walked at 9 months. Feed herself. Goes up and down stairs climbs chairs, beds etc. So i think chi with kids goes a long way. Keep your self aligned with positive energy and your kids will do just fine. My kids kept bullys away and mean teachers away using energy work. THe reality is that their little imaginations and ajna chakras are a lot clearer than most adults so once they know they are really capable of making magic happening! Peace Santiago

Nan and Bodri seem to indicate its always inopportune to emit because there's always another level to be gained, but they mention no-leakage so much it appears to be some kind of complex. I just lost a big spooge emission in a lucid dream, I'm looking for the "retention is BS" people right now.