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Jeepers-it's been about 30 years since I partook of DMT. I remember it as a sort of waking-dream state. There is an erotic componant to this memory also-but that is most likely due to the context of the experience, not the chemical inter-action. I'll try to recall...There was waiting and waiting and then -wham-like a rocket being launched, sporatic hallucinations amid a feeling of wonder and euphoria...I can't recall any insights or specific connections I made- but it is a very pleasant memory...I guess soulful is an apt word- but that may just be projecting backward from here... Not much help, all these years later-So, good luck, and stay mindful as you quest...

Wow, nice thread, I missed all the excitement. I agree with lots of people here, especially with thelerner- I now believe Buddha was a jew- how else would it explain all the mess we are in now? Plus, that would make Mel Gibson right. Now, from all the thoughts I stay close to what SeanD had to say. It's all hard work for a very long time. His view is realistic- if you don't do it harcore you have already "failed", but in order to wake someone up, sometimes they need to be bitch-slaped from their mayflower hippie dream. If it was easy, everyone would be evolved. Instead everyone is talking about PS3. Well at least i do. PS3 thread energy is better.

So I was dreaming about transmissions and lineages... I felt that the transmission through lineage was not to do with human relationships, hierarchy, etc - it's more about the energetic beacons that have been placed through time to allow you to follow the light and reach their levels. The human relationships come when you are to connect to lineage energy - heartfelt sincerity is all that's needed. In my dream I asked a huge Kahuna how one could tap into lineage energy without having a single master. That's how I found out that if you ask with a sincere interest to elevate your conciousness, then no master or lineage could refuse you. A transmission is like a way to triangulate your own energy, so that you're aligned to your higher purpose and going in the right direction - it's not so much of just a pure energy being passed to you. The Kahuna told me that the hardest part was to find a lineage to tap into. I asked how it is done - he said that you ask, then you wait in awareness - and the right thing will come up. So this morning I was searching for an email a friend had sent me (I remeber the title to be something like 'funny metaphors') so I search for 'metaphor' but discover I misspelt it and searched for metafor instead... The email that pops up is one for a company called Metaforms - it makes really cool looking sacred geometry sculptures. So I impulsively checked the site out (last time I saw it was years ago). As I was looking through, my spider senses started tingling ... And I think the pendant is a geometric lineage. Weird to explain - some people can do caligraphy or draw sigils and tap some inherent power that is behind the symbol. You can feel the transmission of energy through these symbols, as if it's coming from some beacons of past uses of the symbol or archetypal energy. The geometric shapes hold a kind of pure, natural truth - more refined and precise than a sigil or other symbol. I also feel that geometry is somehow part of western spirituality, whereas sound and wave-based mathematics is the oriental version of geometry... So I took a look at the ePendant - which I thought (and still do) looks pretty unatractive - not something I would consider wearing. But reading through the info and testimonials and stuff, it really struck a cord... now I'm considering checking it out (it's not cheap for me!) So what do you guys think? here's the link: www.metaforms.net

True, but it takes energy to activate it. Plenty of people love money but have no personal power to make it happen. That was my point. I think it's interesting to study high achievers. When you have personal power you can do anything, whether it's directed towards being a monk and renouncing or being 'lucky' or whatever. But overall, it's all transient nonsense. A dream. T Just to be clear, Li Jiong, i'm not harboring anything against you. I would enjoy continued banter and conversation--it's challenging and fun. And if you ever come to NY, I would welcome you warmly. T

I was going to put this in the non daoist topic, maybe in the Stay Away section. I wrote a story with some hallucinogetics in it. Also there's been some discussion here on it. So I've been doing some googling on them. I am very interested in them. But I've lead a very drug free life. In my 42 years I've only used illegal drug once. Matter of fact in college I wrote a paper on why marijuana should not be legalized. (I can see it being decriminalized, stupid to lock small users up). So there is a level of hypocracy. A level of not being true to myself. An argument that if I want my kids to stay away from this stuff I shouldn't use it. Whether we choose to recognize it or not, there can be a blood onus attached to many illegal drugs out there, ie corruption, Scarface kinds of stuff. Theres the matter of keeping a poison in a house with kids in it and the matter of the illegality of purchasing the stuff. Just as powerful is the fact that I might like it. I might really like it. It could give me the bliss and feeling of satori that I've read about and yearn for. That in itself is a trap. First it articial, second I'd recommend it to others and be linked karmically to what happens to them based on my recommendation. I've been steadily stealing candy from my kids halloween bags. What happens when the goodies become more powerful? But I am 42. A known danger is less of a danger. I am a responsible person, 89 1/2% of the time. I've found two good sites. I'm interested in the Amana mushroom. They also have some interesting dream tea's and some other, many other classes of illicits, none for human conception, all available for anthropological interests As in the Matrix, my decsion is already made. I have to figure out the why and how. Michael

Hello everyone, My name is Rin. I am twenty-four years old, and I am from Canada. I am a former University studen who was studying Japanese, Mandarin, and Buddhism. For as long as I can remember, I have liked to ask questions and sometimes that has landed me in trouble (both with myself and other people). A questioning nature usually leads to the metaphysical, and along that way I came to trap myself in a lot of words and descriptions. The Way has always been an influence in my life, so it helped a great deal when it came to dealing with the breaking up of those words and descriptions (which was a painful series of events). I would like, perhaps, to one day become a Buddhist monk, but I'm not holding out on that dream any more. If it happens, it happens and that would be great. If it doesn't, then I won't be upset about it. 謝謝, Rin

Erowid is probably the best site for any type of drug research. It is full of information on anything from coffee to lsd and beyond. I am 19 and have tried Salvia. I was sitting in my backyard on a bench with my best friend and, within a minute of inhaling, noticed how vibrant the grass was. I would say it was a positive experience, but the majority of people (including a few of my friends) reported very guilty, negative experiences. It is known to have a very negative effect on most people. It also has to be the worst tasting thing I've ever smoked. The effects only lasted about 10-15 minutes and then we were completely back to normal. I smoke marijuana occasionally, but never in negative settings. I try to think of it as more of a spiritual drug, something that relaxes me. I will admit, just about anything is more fun when I am high, but I practice a conscious effort not to abuse it. I was just thinking about mushrooms last night and how, if the opportunity presented itself, I would try them. I would probably want to ingest them through a tea rather than eating them, although I'm told that both taste terrible. I would also make sure, as someone said before, that the SET and SETTING were peaceful and positive. My dream mushroom experience would be in Yosemite on a large rock overlooking a small stream with maybe one or two of my closest friends there. I think that would change my life for the better. If you want to see an interesting, well-done, highly informative documentary on LSD, try to find "Hoffman's Potion." I rented it on Netflix and it changed my view of hallucinogens forever. It also made me realize how sad it is that recreational users in the 60's and 70's really ruined it for people who wish to use the drug positively. I'm not pointing any fingers, but Leary kind of ruined it for everyone. The most important thing: Keep an open mind. Don't judge anything you haven't tried.

Juan Li teaches an interesting Dream practice. This was ripped off other instructors in the HT and modified to be less effective in my opinion.

Dream-recall is helpful as a type of pre-lucidity training. The old reality test method is a good standby where you check if your dreaming on a regular interval. In my experieneces bi-naural isn't needed, although is a helpful cheater. Hemispheric syncro exercises are helpful and plentiful, and usually engage you in the modulation that happens between wake and sleep. Practicing early morning after real "sleep" has already happened and it's more like a nap seems easiet. Helpful Hint - 'let go of' and 'go with' any feelings of falling and/or vibratory states. Spectrum

It's a good point, cat... not sure it relates to the topic of the thread, but it's still important to discuss, I think. For me meditation means 'skill in directing awareness'... a very broad title, I know... It's always a challenge for me to blur the lines between 'practice' and 'everyday life' and I personally think it's important to do that. So I meditate when I'm washing the dishes, I meditate when on the train and I meditate when reading the forum etc... Directing awareness can take many forms - one pointed concentration has its uses - it's (imo) a very yang practice... I do this when I meditate on the lower dan tien... if distracted I just come back to the dantien... The more yin version is when I do open eye meditation - the method is actually from Hawaiian Huna called Hakalau - I widen my field of view and use the periphery of my vision to watch the flow of life - the concentration is diffuse and I 'take in' everything (although yi/attention is still in the belly - this happens automatically when I use hakalau) . This is what I normally do when walking, waiting etc... I do the one-pointedness when doing something specific - washing dishes, writing, excersising etc. Then there is deep meditation - this is similar to dream practice/hypnosis/trance etc... The idea is to go into a very deep meditative state (whilst remaining aware) in such a way that my awareness is not limited by the body or conscious mind... I use this state for a number of different things - smiling, energy work and connecting and communicating with the organs, getting deeper into the core channel and the various dantien - or just 'watching the inner weather' (the more yin practice). I use the Yoga Nidra method for getting into this state... by the way cat - how's it going with the tripple warmer awareness? I finally got a feel for the balance between the spleen - tripple warmer duality... never noticed that the spleen energy is so connected with the tripple heater...

I was told slitting send one into a peaceful dream state but I'll take your word for it. Oh yes it's true Oh no it's not is not is not Too much of something - their diets were not balanced. The fiction is they think they were doing something correctly when actually they were not.

Manifestation is a song sung mysteriously by no one. I would say, something like meditation frequently arises prior to what is called an enlightenment experience. But correlation is not causation. Who is to say that meditation is not a symptom of an inconceivably deeper process? My sense is that it's through something like Grace that real spiritual "progress" occurs. The Tao playfully moves, and on the surface of the lake we see and feel what appears to be a self, "our" self even, engaged in the oh-so very serious discipline of meditation and waking up. Of believing that enlightenment is a result. That enlightenment is causal. That enlightenment is the successful completion of a linear formula or process. But this is just another part of the dream and is also no separate from Tao. Make a person meditate and enlightenment will not follow. There is a great mystery to what brings a person to the cushion and has them return again and again. Surrender for a moment to the possibility that "you" are a fiction and have nothing to do with controlling what arises in awareness. Experiences without an experiencer. Just my two cents and my humble opinion.

I might..but I have a problem with committing to a schedule. I've seen ads in craigslist for pretty cheap 1:1 training where you meet the teacher at a starbucks. That sounded like a flexible way to get started, the rest I would just force myself to speak it since I work with alot of chinese..i'm also considering investing in an IPOD and downloading lessons on that.. T Very cool..i'm assuming it's mainland china? What city? I'm thinking of my dream itinerary...first stop, Hong Kong..then chen village, shaolin temple (for the coolness factor, i heard it's a tourist trap)..thailand on the way back..damn, maybe that's too much..hmmm i'm thinking a 10 day trip might be doable..what would be some cool places to see? and of course EAT.. T

1005= 100% I've heard that during my raw studies. I'm glad to hear a first hand report! Trunk, thanks for clarifying the yin tonic thing--it makes sense that it's not as noticeable as a standard herb. I did have a very nice dream last night. I'm less emotionally restricted in my dreams these days and I bet that it is connected to the fo ti.

Something came up on another thread that got me to pondering the nature of nothing. There is the vacuum of space, but that has now been shown to contain lots of dark matter. There's the Buddhist Nervanha which seems to be a sort of blissful nothingness. There's the idea of what was "without form and void" of Genisis. Each a sort of nothing-maybe...The blending of life into a totality of being at death may be a kind of nothing as in it's no more something seperate. But thats not nothing!! I just can't get my head around the idea of an absolute Nothing. And perhaps there always was something, a consciousness, a will to be, a dream of existence... All, everything, anything, something, each and anyone, of these I'm able to manifest in my mind as discribable. But I just can't quite get nothing, there is always the thought of nothing to hold its place back in something land!

omg I just blew 110 bucks. which reminds me I need to visit lozen's online herb shop..maybe she has something that can compliment my two new dream enhancers ... ugh lol =p I hope I am not dissapointed

I have seen the book you refer to thelerner, but have not read it, but you are right on the money. I use the term Artifical Reality, but maybe it would be more accurate to say Artificed Reality, it is a package set of perceptions and desiderata that we are fed in order to control how we see things and what we see as significant elements in 'our' world. But unless you are personally encountering some of these elements, then they aren't truly part of your unfolding personal experience. The mass media is not a natural phenomenon, they are crafted and limited, and counting on them to define what 'world' you inhabit will mislead you into being focused on something that ultimately doesn't really exist .... crafted perceptions. Direct, personal growth isn't acheived by focusing on the international events that your goverment or the owners of a few multinational meme marketing companies want to present to you, it is in noticing what occurs in the interface between your experience of existence and the infinite manifestations of the Tao that occur around you. While it may be possible for the Tao to speak to us through the television, I doubt it happens very often. It's not about passivity, it's about being centered in yourself, not what those that rule think you should be centered on. There are many situations that demand action, and even violence can be neccesary, but it is difficult to imagine what could lead a seeker of the Way to become involved in the ongoing pissing contests between opposing groups of militant, authoritarian monotheists. The militant neo-jihadists are so extreme and violent because their ideology has failed, their people wouldn't accept it, so they became more radical and their ranks filled with the most violent and fanatical. Our ruling elites are deeply involved with the Saudi Arabian monarchy, which funds the radical imams who teach the New Jihad to disgruntled and angry young men. They do this in order to focus their revolutionary ire on some other target than themselves. Since the ruling elites make a great deal of money off of their relationship with the Saudis for both oil and weapons sales, AND having a never-ending war with an ephemeral enemy that by definition can never be defeated, the alchemy of the situation allows for military-industrial complexes wet dream - The Forever War. On top of that it has a great deal to do with the fact that demand for oil has continued to increase at a near unprecedented rate, but supply is not increasing .... it is declining. This means that the US must secure control of supplies of oil or face the collapse of it's way of life. Given that supplies are not increasing and demand from the EU, China and India are rapidly outpacing our own, that means we must take oil from someone else. Now, it took me a lot of reflecting and examing to put all that together....and it's accurate. What good does any of that do me? Does any of that affect how my day will unfold tommorow? Will it help me to be aware of how I make my life more difficult every day?...Does knowing any of those things lead me to deeper understanding of the unfolding manifestations of the Tao in my daily life? I don't think so. It scatters my focus, and especially leads me to feel emotions that have no real target, my anxiety for instance would be generated by an abstract threat some guy on television is telling me about, and therefore an anxiety I cannot take any direct action to rectify. I would have been better off, spending that energy and attention, if I truly seek to live in harmony with the Tao, paying attention to how I walk ...or why I eat what I eat...or any number of things that seem mundane or frivilous in comparison to all the big, serious world events that the media and goverment insist I must be concerned with, but they have a great deal more to do with my ongoing experience of existence than the New Crusade against the Infidel, whoevers infidel it might be. Sorry this is so rambling, I just woke up. Take care everyone. And, of course, he's an easily manipulated idiot, why do you think they chose him as the front man? and he is so patriotic and concerned about Amehricuh, because when a goverment is in trouble, loyal ministers will appear.

Hello friends, (Namaste Amigos) A little lot about thyself, I am 18 years old, I have had a few head enlightenments, and very much would like to take a few steps back and do it right so my entire being can participate in the yin and yang. I read a few articles, many very awesome, I'm sure many answers on this site will humble me, in return I'd teach anything to anyone if they wanted to learn it. A wise man told me once, no one knows everything, but collectively we do. Sharing our hearts, dreams, visions, and feeling understood, is such a joyous part of life. I had a rough up-bringing, as an infant I was blinded in my left eye from a lazer surgery to remove some cataract, the surgoens distorted the lens and pupil, I still can't honestly say if I have depth perception, I sorta think I do. It's been an interesting factor in my life. No matter all the times I say I'm use to it and it doesn't bug me, that's a lie. From a youngster I loved nature, picking oranges, carving sticks into pencils, collecting bugs and frogs, climbing trees, feeding ducks, and fish. It seemed real. Age 6, one day in class I began drawing a series of yin Yangs, rows, then pages of them until reaching a thousand. . . . didn't give much thought to it, didn't know what a yinyang was, saw it on karate flags, thought it looked cool, resonated as a friendly symbol. At age 7 my father went to prison for a 3rd Vehicular Manslaughter charge, DUI, sentenced for many years, overall he had to serve 10, he just was released August 2005, Age 10 I discovered the human orgasm when experimenting with masturbation, my first ego-dissolution, beyond deep sleep, many more to come at later dates. Age 11 Became disturbed by the one of the 10 commandments, the one about not worshipping false idols, the meaning blew my mind, I looked at everyone.... What are we doing! (referring to celeberity popworship, president supremacy, hierarchial church, hypocrisy) Age 13 Discovered marijuana wouldn't kill me if I tried it, discovered poetry, philosophy. Skateboarding was what I did most. Age 14 One night around the Winter Solstice a 1/4 hit of LSD pursuaded me to change my mind about the nature of limitations, later that year first long term sexual relationship left me insane, depressed, why does love turn to hate, why do all things turn to their opposite? A nessesary step, a precursor to being a successful man is a great failiure. Age 15 Early ascetic practice, took akin to smoking bud, practice the way of free thinking, Drank ayahuasca with a group of 5 friends, one being my older sisster, remarkable forbidden tea it was. Age 16 High dose of magic mushrooms catapulted me into alternate realities of past , present, and beyond conceptual opposites, saw mayans who taunted me for spoiling their meeting in paradise, saw myself interconnected with various animals, became part of a synthetic drum circle that's beat was so divine it launched me into hyperspace, first into a celtic knotwork mosiac of the universe and its four infinite corners, second into an all encompassing dimension where all that existed was a mighty OM. Read Siddhartha by Herman Hesse in one day, it touched me deeper than any drug induced head trip. Began loving books, mostly nonfiction, memoirs on hyperspace, zen, and the tao Be Here Now, Hardcore Zen, The Teachings of Don Juan, The fire from Within, The Mastery of Love. The I Ching. Tao Te Ching. So many trivial events played even larger roles in my awakening, the realizations, insights, and humility is endless, and will always be, the relationships, friends, foes, strangers, and communion with the unified natural spirit, and all the sentient beings whom I so dearly love is my biggest inspiration to stay here and now, so I may in the end inspire them to ascend themselves, for in essence I am them, they are I. I am a humble man, I don't want to be a "crazy", a leach, and I would never be a cancer upon this earth. I am fascinated by visions, dreams, which the nature of is infinite, so in describing them to someone not so facinated, I'm sure I come off as crazy. I still use entheogens ayahuasca, mescaline, mushrooms, lsd, 1 - 4 times a year, as part of my tantric yoga practice, it works for me, don't recomend it for everyone. The legalities of it are one of the most dangerous part. I advise against it, I discovered different typed of breath work, rediscovered by psychologist, used by ancients that propel one into hyperspace. They are more effective than the use of drugs and in return, there is no addiction, hangover, and the experience starts and stops with your decision, where as psychedelics can leave you "out there" sometimes an hour or two, sometimes a day or two. Using psychedelics are not shortcuts to anywhere, there are no shortcuts, there's actually no where to go. The answer my friends IS blowing in the wind, the great truth the sages want to express is in this moment. My passion is in plant lore, learning, teaching, myth, spirit, music, art. my ideal culture is one that blended all those concepts as one fluid way of life. While I do not deny the worlds suffering, and I so often weep for it, I do not prefer to suffer. I am pro-peace, and believe a successful global culture can be achieved through just that means. Global Culture, culture being, the enlightenment of human expression, global, the harmony of the whole earth system. I know it's a far off topic, and a far off dream, but does the journey of a million miles begin in a single step? My great inspirations, Lao Tzu, The Book of Changes, Ghandi, and all the people and there sways of consciousness, and the godhead. This forum, upon finding it inspired me to work onward on my great work I'd love to share with you all sooner than later. With love, with gratitude, it's great to be here now.

In Chinese and Japanese mythology there is a lot of talk about "fox spirits". At least according to chinese lore female foxes have the ability to cultivate just like humans. When they reach a certain degree of cultivation they can shapeshift into a beautiful human female that lures men into having sex with them and thus steals their jing for their own benefit. This is the way that the fox/spirit can gain immortality, or something along the line. If you really are interested here are some links mostly dealing with the japanese variant. http://www.comnet.ca/~foxtrot/kitsune/kitsune1.htm http://www.coyotes.org/kitsune/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsune http://www.fox-dream.com/ Hope this helps. Edit: Here are some more of the chinese sort http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_spirit http://academia.issendai.com/fox-index.shtml http://www.nickyee.com/stories/05_Fox_Spirit.html http://www.illuminatedlantern.com/cinema/a...fox_spirits.php Interesting that Fox-spirits seem to be sort equivalent to the european pheonomenon of fairie.

In the past, most of my practice was meditational (microcosmic orbit etc.), with little moving (or standing) qigong. For the last year or so, the practice has reversed. I now do mainly moving and standing qigong and very little meditation (especially compared to the past). But that will change as I intend to restart practicing microcosmic orbit meditations. I`ve kind of been in two extremes, mostly meditations and mostly qigong (although I usually include meditation in the meaning of qigong). So now, I`ll try to find more balance - try to have the sitting, standing and moving practice. And lying (dream) practice in time as well. Since you`re doing vowel chants try experimenting with vowels and their relation to elements (organs). A (ah) - Fire (heart, small intestine) U (ooh) - Water (kidneys, bladder) E (aeh, pronunciation like in the word ever) - Wood (liver, gallblader) I (ee, like in "in") - Metal (lungs, large intestine) EU(euh, don`t know how this vowel is called in English, in Slovene it`s a "half-vowel") - Earth (spleen, stomach) O (like o in over) - Fire (triple warmer, pericardium), but also connected to Earth All vowels done together (and with hand movements) have a very balancing effect, and stimulate the flow of energy. Each individual vowel effects its corresponding organ. I`m not sure what effect they have if you just chant them (like aaaahhhhhh) as I have not done it yet, I think it just stimulates the particular element. However, with specific melodies you can balance, calm, or strengthen (can`t find the right word) the corresponding organ (specifically emotions). The vowel and element (organ) correspondence here is Daoist.

I got a 6 fire with 0 water..and my dream is to live in a desert area..very attracted to it. All my life however, I've lived near the ocean. Life circumstances keeps me from the southwest, but would love to go there..can you ask about that..? Thanks T

Rudolf Steiner's explanation is that the people of that era were living more in the etheric in a sort of dream consciousness, so they were as big as their etheric bodies .

Hi Freeform, Sorry I sort of dropped the ball on this conversation.. been busier than usual! Probably this should be split from the EMDR thread but I didn't want to separate it from your previous message. >>I was reading your post and what kept coming to me was the idea that there is 'true yin' within yang. In pacing (yin) there is a sense of yang (leading). Exactly.. this is an insight intrinsic to the Dynamic system of thought in the West, which is why I'm immersed in studying it at present . The scientists/philosophers who represent that stream of thought principally include Rudolf Steiner, Samuel Hahnemann, Goethe, Coleridge, Wilhelm Reich, and you see this kind of functionalism in all their work. I find it fascinating that western thinking actually has this understanding, without using the terms yin and yang, but a similar understanding of functional relationships. Although, in this modern view the functional polarity of yin/yang is brought to a new level of development according to our evolution of consciousness, and isn't exactly the same in the way it's applied. >>In hypnosis/nlp prespective the pacing works in a similar way... if the intention is to get someone unstuck (and out of their usual mental maps) then you pace your way into their map with a constant underlying intention and suddenly lead them out to a new territory allowing them to expand their original map. If there was no underlying intention, it's easy to just get bogged down in their map and get stuck there yourself. Okay.. couple of comments.. first, I'm not sure that the intention in hypnosis/nlp is to get the person unstuck. Maybe many or most therapists do have that intention. But in my view, the intention of the therapist is to facilitate the natural process whereby the person discovers more of their inner resources. It's more in the spirit of exploration than of strategizing to get out of a predicament. In order to be an effective guide, the therapist would be free of attachment to concepts of stuck or unstuck . Then the therapist can use skillful means to pace a certain pattern that you might call "stuck." But really it's just a matter of guiding the person to explore their experience by directing their attention in ways that they aren't inclined to habitually. The law of similars works well there. So the higher order of intention, I would say, assumes that authentic experience naturally moves the person's consciousness to releasing blockages that impede the communication between the conscious mind and the deep reservoir of resources of the unconscious mind. And in homeopathy, there is a skillful means of destroying the disease entity, by the law of similars, but it's somewhat different from the pacing we've been talking about. In homeopathy (or the broader application of potentized remedies), the remedies are resonating with a particular disease essence which is actually an impingement on the generative aspect of the life force. Disease is a creative (sexual) act and can only be cured by another entity that can act on that level. The life force being a functional polarity, has two aspects which have been called Generative and Sustentive. The Generative side is impinged on by diseases, and diseases are destroyed using the law of similars; while the Sustentive side becomes unbalanced by various forces which are not diseases, and is balanced using the law of opposites. When you're balancing things, whether it's nutrient levels, the two sides of the autonomic nervous system, the Ayurvedic doshas, the TCM organ systems, or yin and yang, you're working with the sustentive aspect of the life force and the law of opposites. The potentized ("homeopathic") remedy is qualitatively different, because it's not balancing the sustentive side, but destroying impingements on the generative side, using the law of similars. This is a distinction that's only found in Dr. Hahnemann's work and the Dynamic system, and which most schools of homeopathy are missing entirely. If we don't have a clear understanding of the principles and jurisdictions in which they apply, we can play around with using opposites here and using similars there, according to what works best empirically. That's fine, but we don't know how to apply that kind of learning across the board to any situation if we're not grounded in principles. Then we don't have true science. What you refer to as getting bogged down might mean becoming entranced in a false polarity (either identifying with their false belief or disengaging from it), instead of allowing the dance of the true functional polarity to unfold. >>It's interesting how we associate to 'tension' differently. I dont see it as 'strain'. I see it as a creative/distructive force that mediates between the two opposite poles (yin and yang). It's like the pull/push you get when you bring two magnets together. It's the sexual tension that manifests between the sexes. It's the tension between the painter and his blank canvas. It's the tension between you as you are now, and you as you will be (present and future). Yes! I didn't mean "strain" in a negative sense, although it can be experienced as discomfort. But in health, there is always a dynamic tension between functional polarities. I think we need to be precise about "polarity" vs "opposite," with the two sides of a functional polarity being distinct yet not opposite. The dynamic tension in health is a dance of polarities, not a multitude of imbalances calling for balance via opposites. When we talk about creation and destruction, we're talking about a dynamic phenomenon, which means it's spirit-like. That's why Hahnemann used terms like "generative power," to describe the aspect of the Living Power that's involved in creation and destruction. But the Sustentive power is the aspect that is subject to the law of opposites, and we don't talk about creation and destruction in relation to that, but support, filling deficiencies, removing excesses, etc. I'd say that when the cave man drew a picture of a buffalo in his cave, he was invoking the generative power by creating something, even though it's a representation of something. But also, the cave man was operating in a totally different state of consciousness than we have now.. sort of a dream state with very little consciousness of an invidiaul Self and limited ability to invoke the generative power. I hope that adds something generative to the discussion, not just sustentive . Now to go invoke the law of opposites to fill my empty stomach, Karen

I don't think the influence of emotion is necessarily bad, and can certainly even be good if it drives you to a new understanding. Lots of scientific discoveries were made by driven, emotional people--think of the passion of Kekule that inspired his discovery of the Benzene ring in a dream. As my most man William Blake says, "A tear is an intellectual thing"--which is to say that it reflects the state of one's cognitive processes, and not necessarily in a bad way. Emotional reactions to the Bhagwan--both pro and con--are certainly inspiring a most informative discussion here. I still have the emotional reaction that the guy was a creep, but I will try to keep in mind that at least pieces of what he taught could have had merit.

fair enough. i didn't know it was related to drug usage..... i don't think it's someone who is awake.... rather someone who has the urge to become awake. as i said, there is a distinction. people who feel some kind of strange calling to wake up, and people who don't. most people don't. the people that do are like 1 in 15000. yeah, we are a minority (however that could be changing? or perhaps those with the splinter are beginning to assert themselves more...?). so for me a 'head' meant someone with the splinter, someone with the potential and the calling to want to wake up, whether they ever take steps towards that or not is up to them. a head can be someone who just philosophises about truth all the time but never does anything to uncover it. also a head can be someone who has stray thoughts but is never put in an environment to call it into question more (like the girl i followed into the car park.... she definately questioned truth, but had no friends or family that she could relate to on that level so it was mostly supressed despite her having the typical head quality of wanting to help others). then i would consider a warrior someone who is a head and is also actively taking steps to discover truth. in that sense i would consider most of you guys warriors of some level or another..... because you are here, trying to figure it all out. a sorcerer then is a warrior that has started to become multi-dimensional. that is they are able to step out of the matrix (initially just through dreaming/astral projection..... yes astral travel is IMPORTANT on our path because it helps us to realise that this world is just a dream too and it's not limited by all the boundaries we hold onto). above this is a "lucid" this is our buddhas and krishnas and so on. those who are becoming HYPER-dimensional. ability to function across many dimensions simultaneously and roam the hyper dimensional universes with ease. i think there are even more levels than these too.... resulting at the final level of UNION when one becomes one with all. of course i have only ever experienced being a humaton (i.e. non-head), a head and now a warrior.... so the rest is just speculation. and there are shades of grey to the classifications too.... and i think one can move up and down among them, although the higher one can go the easier it is to just switch in relation to circumstance. for example i can now involve myself as a humaton easily enough.... be spellbound by the most boring of conversations and laugh with ease among other humatons.... but it's a conscious switch i make (and i tend to avoid too much of it, because it sucks you back to sleep). but interestingly enough i just received a new audio course by another of my teachers and all this stuff i have just been writing about was confirmed, all be it using different language. synchronicity enough?