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i agree with everything you said about "dream yoga." i'd like to add a few remarks. i go to the point where i could wake myself up before ejacualting. on the rare occasions i did, i noticed something significant. the semen becomes like water--no sperm present, or very very little. if you successfully transmute the jing (sperm) during practice, it leaves none to ejacualte if you run into trouble, or very little and the energy loss is minimal, perhaps insignificant. daily transmutation keeps you clear and nothing is there to feed the succubi. eventually the neutral space becames vast enough that the succubi cant threaten you. its protection. but they will do their damnedest to keep you from developing to that stage. this is interesting for another reason--this transmuation is not some sort of vague energy work. a physical change takes place. a definite and observable physical change. your very matter is altered. in this case, sperm.

Mugwort can help you with lucid dreaming. Unless you can already lucid dream, in which case it will fuck it up. Be careful, though. If you're avoiding dealing with anything in yr life and you burn the mugwort or use it in a dream pillow, it WILL come up so make sure you're ready for that.

DREAM YOGA BE YOGA PRACTICED WHILE IN LUCID DREAM STATE, SO YA NEED TO SEIZE YER DREAM MIND N GAIN CONTROL OVER YER ACTIONS N YER THOUGHTS WHILE IN DA DREAMS. YA CAN READ BOOKS ABOUT IT, BUT ESENTIALLY YA HAVE TO INVENT DA WAY, THRU BECCOMIN OBSESED WITH IT LIKE IT WAS A QUESTION O LIFE N DEATH (WHICH IN A SENSE , IT BE). RJ

i got chia's book, i got dr lins cd too (which i find easier to follow than chia). where do you learn dream yoga from? yeah i get those women milking me at night from time to time.... succubi huh? damnit.

WELL I HAVE ALWAYS HAD AN INTUITTION ABOUT IT AS A CHILD, I USED TO SPANK MINE BABOON FOR HOURS LOCKED INTO A CLOSET IN DA DARK. DA BREAK THRU OCUR WHEN YA TAKE OVER YER DREAM MENTAL ACTIVITY. UNLITL THEN, YA WONT GO TOO FAR BECCAUSE YA'LL END UP EJACULLTATTIN IN YER DREAMS WHEN DA FEMALE SUCCUBI LURE YA INTO SURRENDER. DA BEST MANUAL BE MASTER CHIA'S BOOK. JUST FOLOW IT TO DA LETTER WITH TWO (2) ADDITIONS, VIZ., 1) DA FINGER LOCK TECHNIQUE AINT DESCRIBBED ACURATTELY BY MASTER CHIA, IT BE *VERY* IMPORTANT TO HIT DA RIGHT SPOT WHICH BE CLOSER TO DA BUNGA-HOWL ELSE YA REDDIRRECT YER SEMEN INTO YER BLADER WITH 100% LOSS O CHING. 2) DA DREAM YOGA ASPECT BE NOT MENTIONNED AT ALL. BUT MASTER CHIA'S BOOK WILL LEAD YA FOR DA FIRST 3-6 MONTHS, AFTER WHICH YALL NEED DA DREAM YOGA BREAKTHRU USUALY. BYE NOW RJ

I sit on the corner, or edge, of the bed for yab yum. Feet on the floor. The dream high school girlfriend!

They use artemisia arborensis for moxa? I thought it was artemisia vulgaris??? Ran into my acupuncturist at this awesome tea shop we have, and we were talking about our local artemisia (ludoviciana) and how he thinks the properties are different--more cooling--than other subspecies. I wanted to make my own moxa (twenty years later, right?) but he told me not to use the local stuff. It is an amazing plant. It is excellent for dream work. One time I smudged with it and two guys who were crashing at my house that night both had exgirlfriend dreams, they had gone travelling to try to get PAST those memories, but mugwort has a way to bring your subconscious stuff out. One time I was severely dehydrated (kids, don't try this at home) and one taste of that plant brought me back. One time I ate a tiny piece while out on a hike with a group of people and I sware it took me to a whole different PLANET for about ten minutes... It is great for journeying. I have heard from one of my favorite herb teachers that it is good for dreamwork in that if you can't lucid dream, it will help you, and if you CAN then you won't be able to. I am making mugwort oil right now which I want to experiment with (externally) for cramps. (Don't drink herbal oils unless you want to get botulism and die...or as Eddie at Tracker School says, 'go on a permanent involuntary vision quest' heh heh.) What else about mugwort... There is so much to write. I have studied this plant heavily... Interesting about arborensis--where did you hear that? Herbal teas you buy in the store are usu. too old to provide any kind of medicinal value, with the exception (sometimes) of root teas...or if you buy them in the bulk section and they still smell and look very fresh. Nothing in a box. I have heard of schizandra berries as a heart tonic but never for liver... Never heard of st. mary;s thistle seeds--do you know the latin name perchance? For liver NETTLES is awesome--the tea, and also dandelion root tea or tincture (glycerite), milk thistle tincture (also glycerite), red clover combines very well, too. In the desert we have creosote which is a HARDCORE liver detox herb, I always add milk thistle to it for safety... Also there is cleavers (which is great for lymph detox)--I have a tincture and a vinegar in the making right now... FOOD: green leafy vegetables, root vegetables (esp. burdock), miso soup (not the powder), whole wheat grains (+ psyllium husk) oh sorry you don't like grains but they are still good for liver... VEGGIE JUICE especially carrot juice. Apple and cranberry is good too. Cutting back on fried and greasy or fatty or sugary foods can only help. Drinking lots lots lots of water is good. Epsom salt baths and dry brush scrubbing...massage...lots of stretching... mmmmm... I love detoxing. It feels so good.

MAN DA POINT BE THAT WHEN PEOPLE INTERRACT FOR YEARS, EVEN IF JUST THRU A FORRUM, THEN A PSYCHIC ENTITTY ARRISES WHICH PUT YA IN TOUCH WITH THOSE PEOPLE. YA GOTTA UNDERSTAND THAT, IT'S A COMON EXPERIENCE. JUST ABOUT ANY TYPE O STRONG GROUP TEND TO ABUSE NOVICES N RESPECT VETTERANS. WHY SO? BECCAUSE DA VETTERANS HAVE BEEN SUBCONSCIOUSLY PRACTICIN CHI EXCHANGE AMMONG THEM N DA DIFERENCES O THEM CHI HAVE BEEN SOMEWHAT COMBINNED INTO A PSYCHICH CAULDRON. THAT HAPENS IN DA MILITARY, IN JAIL, IN HI SCHOOL, IN A STREET GANG, ETC ETC. N IT HAPENS ALSO IN A FORRUM OVER TIME. NOW IN A FORRUM IT'S MORE DIFICULT TO DO THAT, BUT HERE YA HAVE A FORRUM O CRAZY TAO PRACTITINERS WHO EXPERRIMENT WITH ALL KINDA CRAZY PRACTICES SUCH AS GETTIN INTO FISTFIGHTS N EVVEN SWORD-FIGHTS WITH THEM DREAM-BODIES, THEN THERE YA HAVE DA PSYCCHIC CAULDRON N DA CHI ALCHEMY. SO YA CANOT EXPECT TO CREATE THAT KINDA ALCHEMY IN NO TIME N NO PASSION. FOR EXAMPLE, IF YA HAVENT SEEN DA TAO WARS OVER DA HEALIN TAO FORRUM BACK WHEN DA DRAGON MASTER WIFE DIED, YA HAVE MISSED SOME BIG EXAMPLE O PSYCHIC BLOWS EXCHANGED OVER A WEB FORRUM. LOOK I HAVE ABUSED A LOT O HT MEMBERS, SO IF PIETRO FEELS HARRASSIN TO YA, WELL YA *JUST* DONT KNOW HOW HARRASSIN I CAN BE WHEN I SEE DA FUN N DA POINT IN DOIN IT. BUT FOR YOU I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KIND N GENTLE BECAUSE I THINK YA TEND TO BE A KIND N GENTLE PERSON YERSELF N ALSO TEND TO DA DEPPRESIVE SIDE, SO I DONT SEE ANY USEFULNES IN HARASIN YA OR INSULTIN YA. BUT IF I DID, IT'D BE *JUST* AN EXCHANGE O CHI, JUST A PHASE O DA FUSION O DA ELLEMENTS, DA ONLY WAY TO JUDGE DA WHOLE PROCESS BE, *IF* N ONCE YA GET DA END RESSULT, THEN YALL KNOW THAT ALL WARS WERE ALL INGREDDIENTS FOR DA FINAL PEACE. SO LETS NOT BE AFFRAID O FIGHTIN, AS LONG AS WE DONT GET STUCK IN BELIEVIN THAT WAR N EVEN HATRED BE ULTIMMATE N EVER-LASTIN REALLITIES. BYE NOW RJ

Thanks, but no thanks. I think finally Sean wrote honestly and truthfully and completely in his last post. There was a big misunderstanding on what this site was going to be. Now it has been rectified. But the dream of the Tao Bums does not end here. We are starting a new website, and the only thing I can tell you is that it will be Taoist in nature, and the control will not be in the hands of only one person. I feel this experience has teached us all much, and we will use this underastanding to further our website. At the moment people are starting to mail me, if you want to be informed in this critical moment, when we are choosing the important bits and pieces, and making the first critical decisions please mail me at my gmail account (the address is available from my website) Have a nice practice, Pietro

Sorry, no. We are not here to demand justice, but to set things straight. Justice is what would in case happen next. This forum started as our dream, not the personal dream of Sean. And I cannot see me, for once, contributing to his personal website.

Sean, I think Plato is pretty right-on, especially about your intending to take over the HT board from the start. But "Doctor Trip" says this expresses your desire to learn: you wanted to grasp all that crazy energy on the HT board by swallowing the board whole and then regurgitating it with collapsible threads, something familiar and safe. Pietro of course has his own wet dream. You were in fact quite sensible when you suggested he simply use the board for what it was intended, but that's not his way to knowledge and power. And who's to say whose wet dream is butter? If I'm right about your desire to learn, then this is the 'Hero's Journey 101' test where you have to consider abandoning all that's familiar and safe. And I'd say the same to Pietro: you may or may not have noticed that in another life on another board you once wrote a journal that had a thriving, active readership. And then you began tinkering and focusing almost entirely on the presentation of your thoughts, and after years of work you had a beautiful, beautiful format which no one ever read. As to the direction we take here, I vote 'the simpler the better'. If Pietro fully understood the ancient practice of COBOL he'd realize that I too was once a demon programmer. And that's why for me today, like Plato, a simple thread is more than enough. Trip

But Sean, Is there any way to view the training blogs in the old-style format? I don't enjoy having to click on the "comments" bar just to read someone's comments (although I'm sure I'll get used to it). Re Pietro's comment, I'm not exactly sure what he means in his farewell either, but probably he's referring to his poll and posts about WP Press 1.5. As far as I understand the situation, Pietro was hawking a particular blog/product (Greek to me), and you responded to his initiative unenthusiastically. He then reminded you of his/our/your "group" ideals and promises, but you never answered that post. And without any group discussion and/or warning, you then installed a wonderful but completely different package. I guess that has made Pietro feel a little burnt. I imagine your expressing your wish that 'he one day soon finds a place where his idealism intersects with reality' hasn't helped. Personally, I think you're doing a wonderful job. And by nature I'm more autocratic than communal. And I'm not particularly attracted to the big blog wet dream either. But the merits of your/anyone's selection don't seem to be the point, particularly regarding Pietro's complaints. How do you see the situation? To Pietro: why draw stupid little lines in the sand? Now you've got to go, or eat your words. Pretty silly either way, but I hope you'll stay. Meat to you all, except the vegetarians. Trip

Hi Yoda and thanks for the quick reply! However I think I did not really express myself clearly as these sensations are not of the dream realm, but manifest themselves while trying to fall asleep or when I'm on the verge of entering sleep. So again these are very real sensations and feelings that I experience while lying in my bed and trying to fall asleep.

I'll be in class... and I'llbe falling asleep... but since i cant sleep... well I am mastering the art of sleeping with my eyes open.. I'll start to dream... that line between wakefullness and sleep dissappears.. I'll be dreaming, but since my eyes are open... maybe it's like hallicunating... but whatever thoughts I have in my head when I go into this state become vivid and superimposed on reality... ie I'll be reading something on the board, and when the guy next to me hits me to wake me,I'll suddenly see something else totall different on that board... pretty trippy shit....

Definitely the fundamentals: inner smile, healing sounds, frolics, microcosmic orbit, embracing the tree come to mind. Perhaps Bodri could free associate while flipping through nice, basic chikung books like Way of Qigong by Cohen or Tao of Sex, Health, Longevity by Reid etc. I found WSM to be a brilliant "non-packing" relative to the iron shirt stuff. But anything on iron shirt would be great. Any WSM adaptations, with standing, etc. WSM got me to discover my feet too. I'm hungry for more commentary re: bones, my left big toe, etc. What about my right big toe, anyways? Any WSM like practices for organs? Why the insistance on white light vs other colors? I have a hard time keeping my WSM visualization stable--I sort of have to breathe in the white light and then breath it out. Any suggestions? What does he think of Sean's idea of mentally scrubbing the bones with a bristle brush to lighten/brighten/and stimulate? Max is always saying that emptiness is the main part of WSM--I don't quite get that part. Just visualize that I'm gone--just the landscape where I was sitting?? Also, any celibacy/retention tips like the crane frolic type exercise before bed. I don't know if Bodri has any thoughts on Wang Xiangzhai and his yiquan/stance training but I'd be interested in that. Also his commentary on picking up energy from weather, sun, stars, earth, etc. Anything on sungazing/sunbathing/vitamin D/serotonin/the pineal gland, etc. My WSM seems to be most successful when I'm practicing in total dark or in direct sunlight, for instance. Seems to mix well with sungazing, etc. I don't know if he's familar with Primordial Chi Kung, but moving drills like that, I'd like his input on. Dream practices come to mind as well. I don't think the taobums on our own, have enough buying power to make the book worth it for him, but it sounds like a fantastic book that would have popular appeal to others as well. Maybe Sean could link taobums to it as recommended reading, etc. If the title is something like introduction to basic chi kung and taichi principles it might could appeal to the larger taichi/yoga crowd. Keep us posted! Thanks!!! -Yoda

Reich had a beautiful, beautiful heart that was connected to his genitals. That is pretty rare these days. If I could accomplish that, I would become a Buddha no problem. 8) The misunderstanding we have here is my fault. When I say "discharge" I am not necessarily referencing ejaculation. It is true that Reich looked down on the Taoists for their holding back semen and from his frame of reference he was correct: dual cultivation as it is usually promoted (transmutation/transformation of lust) is an incorrect method. However, it is also important to note that if your sexual energy isn't "reset" then saving semen in a maniacal fashion is counterproductive. A wet-dream or a fox spirit seducing you is inevitable if there is tension for such events to attach themselves to. In other words, your held tension becomes a handle by which you can be manipulated. Tension is an attachment, if I may be so Buddhist! :roll: However, I am not advising Pietro's "water method" which will indeed turn one into an arrow shot into the night if taken too far. Still, one must be realistic and not go all-out to accomplish the 100 days if a proper foundation is not laid. Fix your income, fix your health, and do good deeds and don't do bad ones. Fix your sexual shit. Then, go hardcore. :twisted:

In his introduction to Entry into the Realm of Reality: The Guide Thomas Cleary gives an interesting explanation of the origin of doctrinal dispute within Buddhism and the source of teachings which do not have the weight of recorded history behind them. As interesting and compelling as this is it doesn't 'prove' or 'disprove' anything. As it is said life has more imagination than we can dream so it won't be limited nor constrained by neat classifications and recorded history. This is probably deliberate as it almost seems like some sort or IQ test, that is Inner Quest test is being set - we pay our money and we make are choice. That's enough of the cliches ... rex

Well, it's just a bunch of small jade tiles woven together (maybe about a pound all in all)-- a quick trip to a rock shop could land you some jade pebbles to throw into your pillowcase and you'll have the same setup. In the case of this pillow, the shades of jade are made to look like a butterfly. The backing material is synthetic, so the whole thing couldn't have been overly expensive.(?) Buddha or not, I automatically think of a huge statue looking for me as scary. My thinking was that Merlin had to change gears into something a bit tamer for me to accept him. As it happened, after that dream I got very into Tibetan Buddhism for a number of years and then got out into something more feel good, new agey after getting bummed out about all those lower realms. So maybe I'm following the basic format of that dream. Maybe b/c of the power of that dream and also that I'm aware that rocks can be very powerful, I've been a bit hesitant to add jade's energy into my experience but I'll definitely try it. -Yoda 8)

I must admit, I am almost envious of your new gift. A jade pillow! Really! It's hard for some to imagine that such a small, earthly treasure could do so much. I must hear more about it as time passes...very rarely am I interested in things as much as this-Yet a soul that recognizes the subtle and energetic properties of semi-precious (how do they get lower ranks than rubies, sapphires, and the like; I'll never know) stone knows all too well how it can benefit lifetimes and strengthen many aspects of experience. And pertaining to your dream-I have one question: What feelings did you experience before Merlin appeared? While being chased, that is...running through the jungle, what made you feel as if you needed to run? -Jessica

Thanks, that was very helpful. Years ago, I had a dream of a Jade statue of the Buddha chasing me through a jungle, and then Merlin popped out of the statue and sat on a log radiating beautiful stillness and I felt very soothed and drawn to him. That dream has been coming to mind since receiving the jade pillow but I haven't tried it yet. I'll check it out. -Yodster

Traditionally used in China to strengthen the body and increase longevity. It is associated with five virtues; courage, mercy, justice, modesty and wisdom. It is believed that when handled some of the secret virtue of the substance is absorbed into the body. Confucius said that jade is a reminder of the integrity of mind and soul. Among the Mayans and Aztecs, jade was the stone of magic, meant for priests, kings and gods. Jade brings harmony and accord to the environment, transmutes negativity and instills resourcefulness. It is used as both a dream stone to release emotions during the dream state and as a fidelity and devotions stone to help one remain focused on one's purpose. Jade generates unconditional love. Chemical formula : NaAlSi2O6 Composition : Sodium aluminum silicate, sometimes with some calcium and iron Localities : Some of the finest Jadeite comes from Tawmaw, Myanmar (Burma). It is from this deposit that most gem-quality Jade is extracted from. There is a smaller deposit of similar significance in Yunian, Tibet. Other deposits are in Guatemala, Mexico, and Japan. In the U.S., small crystals come from Cloverdale, Sonoma Co., California, and huge masses from the Clear Creek, San Benito Co., California. Similar minerals : Nephrite - very difficult to distinguish Serpentine - softer, less dense, has a greasy feel Hope this helps! -Jessica

Great work! I love seeing big returns in people's practice. I have the sense that sungazing juices up whatever you are into. I can find lost items, do my WSM better, dream practice is showing up on the screen, etc. So I'm not surprised that it can juice up the more advanced practices that I am not familiar with. My last session the sun was a bit too bright for me, so I just faced the general direction and sang the Gayatri for a few minutes and then I could look at it directly with no discomfort. It felt like I had to get up to vibrational speed to do so. Obviously, if it's uncomfortable don't force yourself. I'm doing about 10 minutes at a stretch on days that the sun is available, otherwise I'll cloudgaze in the direction of the sun for 30 minutes. It is recommended to meditate, stand, walk around outside for at least 10 minutes after sungazing to come down and assimilate. I like the ancient precedence to this practice--it's very natural and "pagan" One of the byproducts that I've heard of from this practice is a strongly developed hardiness. Being able to stand outside barefoot in the snow is often cited by longtime sungazers as a byproduct. I want to develop that warrior hardiness. There's a great scene in the Walking with Dinosaurs/Walking with Cavemen BBC series where the neanderthal dude falls off a cliff, regains consciousness, straightens out his bent fingers and gets back on the hunt. (Apparently, neanderthals are often found with more healed broken bones than a profession rodeo rider.) -Yoda 8)

i was listening to it and then i started having this dream, when i laid on my bed. i was sucking my own penis

My skeleton is a badass mofo... he rips his flesh off him and casts it aside sloppily. I don't know how he does it, but he grabs his brain and flings it into the bloody slop. The flesh can't handle the radiation anyway. Don't need it either. The warrior way is not about boohooing or defending your salami. When the gig is up you don't need your body anyways--it just slows you down. It's like in the movies when the good guy runs out of ammo in one gun, he can always get his hands on another weapon and party on. If he was overly attached to his gun his kleshas would get the better of him and he wouldn't notice the nice rock at his feet. I am proud that I am able to cast my body and entire life away in 5 seconds notice per dream experience. If it happens faster than that, I'll figure it out afterwards like everyone else. 8) -Yoda

I practising most of the technics you mentioned aside from Tibetan ones. I don't like them. Have you ever seen book on taoist dream practice? The only one I found is TAOIST YOGA OF DREAMING by Oleg Tcherne (http://home.inbiworld.com/w_web/w_books_main_S.html) but one can't get much from it because of very vague content. Another point about Luk book. He recommeded to keep focus of attention on middle of the brains( house of spirit) as long as possible even during our normal activites. But I have read somewhere (probably Mantak) that it could be quite dangerous...