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When I was in first grade I held my breath till I passed out, thereby hitting my head on a couple tile walls and the cement floor and I woke up with blood streaming down the back of my skull. Then I read that according to Western science what I did was impossible - the intention to hold the breath till you pass out is supposed to be over-ridden by the anterior cingulate gyrus - which is part of the deeper limbic brain - so it overpowers the cerebral cortex intention to hold the breath. Only somehow in first grade I disproved science. So then my book friend told me he came across an anthropology book on the first sherpas to climb mount Everest - to get hired for the job they had to hold their breath till they passed out. Showing they had the will power for breath control. So that meant obviously this ability was well known in non-Western cultures but the Western mind is too weak to consider it a possibility. So I meditated on how, as a first grader, I was able to do what is still considered scientifically impossible. Then I read this book by Professor Michael Lesy - called Heroes - it's about totally normal people who are basically underachievers but lurking inside them is some seriously repressed emotional energy. Then out of the blue an emergency circumstance appears requiring some human to display supernatural powers - and presto! These people suddenly come to life. He had investigated their backgrounds and in each case the person has some serious trauma that they had emotionally repressed and so they had all this stored up emotional energy. It's like the story qigong master Chunyi Lin tells about how there was an earthquake in China and this old lady was trapped under rubble for a week and when she was saved and asked how she survived - she said she had been so mad at her neighbor that she wanted to stay alive to get revenge. haha. So then upon meditation I realized that what happened is that in first grade this girl had this crush on me because I used to stick my chest out when I walked around the classroom to try to impress the girls. I didn't like this girl but she kept saying my name backwards spelled "Weird" and so I had to ask the teacher if this was true. Then the older females -- the mothers and my older sister -- conspired to force me to go on a date with this girl - we went ice skating and then I went to her apartment and I ate goldfish crackers on her carpet. I was nice about it of course but I felt like I had been treated like a piece of meat. I had no choice in the matter. If the girl is out there reading this - hey nothing personal - it wasn't about you - it was just I was given no choice in the matter. haha. So I was too young to realize how I had processed and repressed my anger and then one day the boys as we walked down the cement hallway to the other end of the school we had a contest who could hold their breath the longest. Let's just say I won the contest by a long shot -- as I was at the urinal I was still holding my breath while the others had long forgotten there had even been a contest. haha. Anyway so of course I didn't die but I was told to never hold my breath again and so for a long time I didn't swim underwater since I was very literate and that is what I had been told - when you have a bunch of nurses yelling at you then you tend to take their word seriously. But I would say sometimes people do die when they have this serious repressed emotional energy that breaks their heart and then they end up expressing that energy in a way that cracks open their skull to send out their spirit - so to speak. One time I pulled an old lady's spirit right out of the top center of her skull and she immediately bawled for at least 15 minutes - it felt like a heavy electromagnetic blob when I pulled it out of her. The secret to transcending death while staying physically alive is the secret of yin and yang energy dynamics -- and this secret is detailed in the book "Taoist YOga: Alchemy and Immortality" - http://www.mediafire.com/?1owotofjjzr this teaches how to create yin spirits that transcend death. I have seen qigong master Chunyi Lin do this when he heals people and also he even heals dead people! So the qigong masters communicate and heal the spirits of the other world - not just heal people who are physically alive. I know the Tibetan monks will feel a person's body right after they die - the part of the body that gets cold last is the part where their spirit left their body and this indicates the holographic parallel of where their spirit goes - just as taught in Taoism - if our spirit -- the electromagnetic energy -- is stuck in our lower chakras then we live a life of hell while physically alive and then we go to hell when we die. If the electromagnetic energy is stuck in our upper chakras then we live a life of heaven while alive and we go to heaven when we die. And so qigong masters can also read our past lives by looking into our eyes since that expresses our spirit energy which includes our past lives. But the energy is always transforming and so this process of eternal transformation never changes since it is from the yin-yang dynamics of reality. Consciousness - the spirit light energy - is always going into Emptiness as pure formless being of the spacetime vortex. Consciousness as spirit energy can travel into the past to change the past energy blockages and thereby change our present condition and consciousness as spirit energy can travel into the future to prepare us for how our desires -- our emotional energy -- will play out. The emptiness is this eternal spacetime vortex that creates the rainbow light astral energy that is our spirit consciousness. So death is kind of like waking from a dream but much more powerful - in fact precognitive dreams are MORE REAL than being awake!! So if a precognitive dream comes true three years later in detail as happened with me - what does that mean about our present waking state? It is obviously a type of dream state. And so death is like deep dreamless sleep - a portal or gateway to higher frequency energy as a different type of spirit consciousness. We normally can't see spirits but if we increase the frequency of our spirit consciousness in our body then we can see spirits - dead people - as they interact with the physical living - we can also have perception that is more powerful than normal - the pineal gland third eye is the spirit light energy that then will translate into the other senses as smell, sight, etc. And so we can have super amazing smell that can smell cancer as rotting death smell. Normally smell is activated by the theta dream state consciousness and so smell is only activated by new sensations while awake but when we have the one breath between dreaming and waking then we can smell old smells from the theta dream consciousness. So this proves that our sense of linear time perception is not the real connection to our senses. We have to dream to process all the higher frequency light information that is subconscious while we are in the waking state with linear thinking using language - planning intention. So dreaming is the REM processing that has to happen to integrate the new subconscious perceptions with our old memories. So achieving a higher frequency consciousness means being aware of the subconscious perceptions while in "real" linear time - a waking dream state. And so when we die this is also a waking dream state that also enables super-perceptions that occur directly through the pineal gland light awareness - the coherent light spirit energy. You can read about this or watch it through the Near Death Experience reports - the cable show: "I Survived: Beyond and Back" is a great source. There are many more of these on youtube.

Ok so I have a much better idea now of basic buddhist practices like Sadhana, Mantra accumulation, vajrasattva and meditations including shamatha, vipassana, mahamudra, and dzogchen I met a drikung kagyu teacher and they were accessible and really cool seeming people, very sincere and caring people, but light hearted too. Buddhism can be so crazy sometimes though. It reminds me of a story I heard a long time ago, about like this Island where if sailors landed there, women would feed them lotuses, and then the men would never leave the island and time would pass away like a dream, they'd lose touch with reality That's what buddhism can be, it really takes over your mind, and mind state. Makes you forget reality and mundane activities. Next thing you know months pass and you've disengaged life a bit cuz your mind is always constantly thinking of the dharma, and compassion, and regret, and aversion to samsara, and you read these texts and all you think about is meditating more and getting more into that mind state, or true reality as it is, I won't say I see rigpa, but like the strong aspiration and desire to keep getting at rigpa, letting go into it, getting clearer and more aware every day, takes over your mind and personality. When I started, my worldly activities had strong momentum, and I would also have meditations to energize and engage in my daily life activities. As time goes by though the Buddhist practices keep piling up and taking over Yesterday I couldn't find motivation to engage in life at all. I couldn't find inspiration or interest in doing anything but meditating and reading mahamudra and dzogchen texts, and mantras. All day. Its good, but today I had to force myself to cut out all buddhism, to do tai chi and meditations for health and engaging life, I need to get that balance down again, cuz it got to a point buddhism, and milarepa, and aspirations of love for all beings, and renunciation of samsara was taking over a bit too much. If you meditate on these things and do sadhana's every day, they start habituating even after you are practicing and effecting you all day afterwards.

Yeah, I did mean forget about it entirely. If youre coming to emotional turning points, reading your dreams is secondary. They arent messages you need to revere. That you remembered a dream.. big deal! Youre stringing dots together while awake now but were making positive change before the dream. Next dream , what about it? Youre going to chase any dream you remember? Dusty needs to buy a pogo stick? Just because a dream can be spun complimentary, or hideously ,doesnt mean you should redirect your life based on IT. Youre just falling for the flattery we are all suceptible to. Keep making positive efforts, give yourself credit, dont rely on the endorsement of crazy ass dream interpretations.

http://longmenpai.blogspot.ca/search?updated-min=2011-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&updated-max=2012-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=9 Quote: Mr. Cheng, male, from Busan , Korea. The followings are excerpt from his practice diaries. I have always liked Duke Zhou (周公) since I was a child, therefore when I was in the fourth grade, I borrowed the Confucius classics, Four Books and Five Classics (四书五经), from an old gentleman in my neighborhood. The old gentleman was a Confucius scholar, I studied from him and due to his influence, I started to develop a deep passion for traditional Chinese culture. I did not follow my father’s expectation and entered a Buddhist University instead, then, I began cultivation. The Buddha said, “all is created from the heart”, I thought then where do our hearts come from. This was the question I have been pondering on. After meditating on it for 9 months, the following was my conclusion: 心心本是空，莫问何处生。 夜月照天地，寒风摇竹林。 (Roughly: Hearts are originally empty, do not ask where they are from. The moon shines on the ground, the cold wind shakes the bamboo forest.) Beginning in 1991, I was the Abbot of two thousand-year-old temple in Korea (Guangde temple and Duoshuai temple), even though I came to China to study, my positions were held for me until 2009. When I was an Abbot, I always had this empty feeling about my lack of real achievement as a cultivator, so in order to search for the great Dao, I decided to come to China. I didn’t find any high level teachers nor any suitable methods however, so I entered the Shandong Traditional Chinese Medicine University to study TCM. 5 years of undergraduate, 3 years of Master and another 3 years for doctorate. Then I entered another doctoral program at Shandong University to study Pre-Qin dynasty literature. I wanted to write a thesis on “the link between Man and Heaven and Earth”, among the relevant literatures there are “Zhou YI Can Tong Qi”, “Ling Bao Bi Fa”, “Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji” and “Wu Zhen Pian”, after reading them I realized that if I don’t know Dandao, I could not appreciate the Chinese Culture and Chinese Medicine at a profound level. Motivated by this, I began to search for people who has this transmission, I managed to meet the author of “Notebook on Internal Viewing and Observation” (内证观察笔记), he recommended “Opening the Dragongate” (Da Dao Xing) and “Walk on the Great Path” (Xing Da Dao). I was extremely excited after I finished both books, and with his introduction I was able to meet Mr. Shen Zhigang. From April 9th to April 19th, I went to Lanzhou and studied with Shen laoshi for 10 days. Shen laoshi taught me the core materials of internal alchemy, setting up the stove and installing the cauldron and the gathering of internal medicine. I had quite an experience only after a few days. I have studied Chan Buddhism for more than 20 years but I have never understand completely what the Buddha meant by “micro white brightness”, I can only interpret it superficially but I had never had actual experience of it. After coming to Lanzhou for three days, I have experienced “micro white brightness” and there is a series of transformations in my body too. I could feel the vibrations in my organs when I worked on the five elements. I was happy, excited and energized every day. I couldn’t even fall asleep for a few nights. Learning dandao has filled the empty part of my heart. After the 10-day class, I left the following poem in my notebook: 炼三宝，贵在呼吸； 修内丹，全凭口传。 世面言丹法，皆是口头禅； 明师引入门，无非真实法。 寻大道之颂 ——4月26日炼安神祖窍后而作 大道本无言，无名而无形。 若无借言说，不能显大道。 昔伏羲作易，后昆晓乾坤。 老子著经也，全彰道与德。 二圣明根源，兹以知还本。 人皆有性命，由此修大道。 魏老人撰书，凭易参同契。 丹道据天道，有钟吕传道。 灭邪小儒骇，传世为真宝。 谁知长生药，只在自身中。 As instructed by Shen laoshi, I continued to practice everyday for a month. Then I came to Lanzhou again on 9th May 2011 to continue my study of authentic internal alchemy. Shen laoshi furthered my study by systematically instructed me on the crucial steps of internal alchemy (Set up the stove and install the cauldron, internal medicine, external medicine, fusion of elixir and channel SHO). 20th: Morning and evening, we practiced enhanced method of gathering internal medicine, no reaction in my organs. 21st: Morning : Continued enhanced gathering of medicine, no reaction. Evening: Continued enhanced gathering of medicine, organs began to vibrate and got stronger and stronger. 22nd Morning: Continued enhanced gathering of internal medicine, organs continued to vibrate strongly and I almost lost control. With the guidance of the teacher I was able to take control again. Evening: Same as in the morning, after tuning my body position, I was able to control myself nicely. 23rd Morning: Use the first method of Ling Bao Bi Fa to practice the three-universe breathing and lower field, I could actually feel the stove and cauldron in “Set up the Stove and Install the cauldron”, very interesting and wondrous feelings. Evening: Began to gather the external medicine, I could see the spirit light going down to my lower field. 24th Morning: Practiced gathering of external medicine. I could see the spirit light but found it hard to condense them. Afternoon: We packed out stuff and headed off to Mount Xing Long. I had read the annontation of the Wu Zhen Pian by Liu Yiming and now I could come to the place where he cultivated, I had a deep respect for this place. 25th Morning: Enhanced method to gather the internal medicine, I could see the colors and their changes inside my organs. Afternoon: Continued enhanced gathering of internal medicine. Not only was I able to see the changes of the colors inside my organs, the outside bodily vibrations caused by the internal organs' vibration is calming down and getting into my internal body. The high frequency vibrations of my organs gave rise to a feeling that are interesting, calming and comforting, very special. Evening: Practiced Ping Heng Gong, I worked on a thousand-year-old giant pine tree. I could smell the fresh pine scent which permeated my entire body. This was my first contact with this divine tree and already I had this wondering feeling. I was very excited. 26th Early Morning: I practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree. Again, I could smell the clean refreshing pine scent. When I was doing Zhan Zhuang with my back facing the tree, I could see different outlines of many temples with my eyes closed. Shen laoshi said that Liu Yiming had built over 70 temples on this mountain, no wondering I could “see” so many. Morning: When I was working on the external medicine, I could see great deal of bright yet transparent spirit light that permeated my whole body. When I condensed the light in front of my eyes, I retrieved it down to my lower field, it felt like a stream of water flowing down from the upper field, though the middle field and into my lower field. My three fields were bright like a sunny day. Afternoon: Same as the morning. Evening: Met with the divine tree again. When I was doing the Zhan Zhuang, I could see spirit light of deep green color flowing down into my lower field for more than 30 minutes. Afterward I "saw" many temples again. 27th Early Morning: Met with the divine tree again. The pine tree qi flowed through my ten fingers into my body and collected in my lower field. During Zhan Zhuang, I saw with my eyes closed a tree in front of me. Shen laoshi explained that this is “reflection to the origin”. Morning: During external medicine, the spirit light in front of my eye was sparkling and was making popping sounds. I could feel its incredible strength and it made my head vibrate. When I retrieved the light back into my lower field, my lower field started spinning and vibrating rapidly at the same time. Afternoon: During meditation, once I closed my eyes, a flood of bright golden color spirit light appeared in front of me. The light then changed into white color. When I retrieved the light, it felt like unlimited amount of it was filling into my lower field. My lower field wouldn’t stop vibrating. When I worked on Installing the spirit at the ancestral chamber practice, the strength of the spirit light was too great for me to condense. Evening: Met with divine tree again. During Zhan Zhuang, I continued to see the ancient temples, the mountain, the streams and old tea-colored walls of houses. Nighttime: Secret supplementary practices. 28th Early morning: Zhan Zhuang in front of the divine tree. With eyes closed, I saw mist-like spirit light filling into my lower field for more than 30 minutes. Fresh pine scent and flower fragrance flowed into my nose. At nine old clock in the morning, Shen laoshi said I am ready to try the Channel SHO. I burned some incense and prayed to the heaven. When everything was ready, I got into the full lots position. I regulated my breath, clamed my mind and strengthened my stove and cauldron. I felt that my lower field was burning and vibrating rapidly. After that, the Hui Yin point also began to vibrate then the qi flowed up my Du channel, the three gates on my back was broken though at once, my Heavenly eye point felt like it just exploded, my whole body was burning and inflating. There were many sparkling light on my body, liked firework. My tongue rolled backed and blocked my throat, I found it really hard to swallow,. Then suddenly after a “GU LU” sound, a hot stream flowed down my Ren channel into my lower field. After that, qi was like a spinning wheel inside my Ren and Du channel. When it was flowing slowly, it felt like an inch-wide white light. When it was flowing quickly, it felt like several light streams. The qi was flowing freely and there was absolutely no blockade. After letting it flowed like this for about 10 minutes, Shen laoshi asked me to stop. After getting off the lotus position, I felt relaxed and happy and I thanked my teacher. There was an interesting anecdote to this. I met with Shen laoshi before dawn, he said, “I dreamed at midnight that I went to visit a classmate in Qingdao, there was a long fish pond, more than 10 meters long and 1 to 1.5 meters wide, the depth was between 1.5 and 2 meters. Inside the pond, one can see many big fishes playing and chasing each other. There were many spectators around the pond and among them were friends and colleagues. Suddenly a fish jumped out of the pond, the owner picked it up and throw it back into the pond. When a fish jumped over the dragongate it became a dragon. I think this is a sign that you will open your SHO today.” I opened my SHO around 9:20 in the morning, the teacher said I was the 108th person that he helped to open the SHO. 108, a very nice and auspicious number. Afternoon: Sitting practice, I saw that the spirit light was clear and bright, my strength to condense qi had become stronger. SHO flowed again. Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, I saw the temples again and I smelt strong flower fragrance. After opening my Channel SHO, I realized all the books on Daoist cultivation, internal alchemy etc on the market are pretty much worthless, what they describe are so different from the actual thing. The contents of these books are mostly empty words or just speculations of the authors. Same thing on the common understanding of “Wu Wei” and “Wu Xin”(“no heart”). A common interpretation of Wu Xin is that even the heart (Xin) is gone and that’s Wu Xin. However Xin is the most fundamental element, without Xin means there is nothing. So what is Wu Xin? For example, a bottle that contains nothing, we called it an empty bottle and not that the bottle itself is gone. Follow this then the concept of Wu Xin is clear, Wu Xin meant there is no polluted conscious thoughts in the heart. The heart of shining quietly is Wu Xin, without a trace of stray thought is “quiet”, when you know immediately a though has arise is “to shine”. No stray thought is the body of wisdom, once the level of the heart of shining quietly is reached, our heart then become the heart of the universe. Lu Jiuyuan said,” The universe is our heart, our heart is the universe.” This is exactly what it means. Buddhism and Daoism are not just about the heart, they have transcended the heart and the material world. People that have Western philosophy type of thinking all declare that Buddhism is all about the heart. If one can understand what is Wu Xin, then will he be able to understand what is the true meaning of Wu Wei and Wu Xin. They are more than the material world. The same thing can also be applied to Dandao, without actual cultivation experience, one can never understand the true extent and meaning of inner alchemy. There are only few true lineage of internal alchemy left in this world. I am extremely lucky to be able to learn the authentic internal alchemy of Master Wang Liping. 29th Early morning: Practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, while the mist-like spirit light was pouring into my lower field, another stream of spirit light entered the side of my left eye. My lower field vibrated and spun rapidly, SHO spun automatically. Morning: While gathering of external medicine, I found it much easier to condense but still I couldn’t condense all the spirit light. The light used to be pure white in colour but today it has a tint of green in it, very bright and transparent. Once the light got into the lower field, my SHO started on its own again. At first I was only able to feel the part of the SHO orbit below my neck but after I increased the strength in the lower field, the entire orbit could be felt easily. Afternoon: When fusing the elixir, the retrieved spirit light immediately appeared in front of my eyes. I didn’t listen to the daoyin and immediately collected the light into my lower field. The light poured down into my lower field like a giant waterfall and I could see many drops of pearl-like spirit light. I thought the scene was absolutely breathtaking! This beautiful scene continued for almost an hour and then I followed the daoyin again to work on installing the spirit at the ancestral chamber practice. Pure white spirit light flowed into my bladder, then it changed to grey and enters my liver, then it changed to green and enters my heart. Then it changed into tea-like color and entered my stomach, afterward it changed into sand yellow color and entered my lungs, afterward it changed into white and entered my kidneys, afterward it changed into grey and entered my bladder and finally it was still grey and entered my lower field. The ancients said that the five elements have their respective five colors, this is absolutely true. I was absolutely awestruck by their wisdom. Evening: I went to see the tomb of Liu Yiming. No one ever took care of the tomb and the place had been abandoned for a long tim. I felt very sad seeing this since I read his annotation of the Wu Zhen Pian before and I had respect for him. There was a really thick pine tree besides the tomb so I practiced Ping Heng Gong in front of it. When I did closed-eye zhan zhuang, spirit light immediately appeared in front of me. The qi here was different from the old divine tree, they were like misty pearls. After collecting them into my lower field and worked on the five elements, I felt for the first time qi moved vertically and horizontally inside my body. Qi in the liver moved from left to right and then from right to left and qi in my lungs and bladder moved up and down. The qi of the old divine tree shook and spun when it moved inside my organs. 30th Early morning: Practiced ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree, I felt that the qi wasn’t that strong today, so I recited mijue while working on the five elements. The organs vibrated slightly, the strongest one was the stomach. During zhang zhuang, I “saw” the roads and the pine trees with my eyes closed, and also the mist-covered forest. Finally under the influence of the spirit light, I spontanesouly worked on the Bagua Yi Sphere. Morning: During meditation, I was able to see the color change of the five elements and also the surrounding area. I was meditating on the second floor but I was able to see the peope and the floor of ground level. Afternoon: During meditation, I had experienced a new phenomenon, my mind was very clear but I wasn’t able to hear anything from the surrounding. But after a while I was able to hear the daoyin again. I then saw within light-yellow spirit light, there was a rice-sized red sphere entering into my lower field. The lower field then immediately contracted and expanded slowly, like a massage, it was very comfortable. Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree. During the bladder phase of the five elements, my SHO started automatically and I wasn’t sure what to do. So I observe my SHO while continued to work on the 5 elements. There were influences from the two affecting each other but they still managed to be run at the same time. Five elements is small restoration cinnabar while SHO is grand restoration cinnabar, I didn't know why they appeared at the same time. 31st Early morning: I changed a tree this morning, it wasn’t as big and as old as the divine tree, the feeling was also slightly off. The tree appeared in front of my eyes while I was working on the Ping Heng Gong and also while I did zhan zhuang facing the opposite way. The movements of the qi inside my organs were not balanced, for example, the qi shook in my right lung while it spun in my left. It spun in my right kidney but moved in line-movement in my left. Morning: During meditation, spirit light appeared as soon as I closed my eye, so I ignored the daoyin and retrieved the spirit light inside my body. I saw many imageries, mountains, sky, rocks and pine trees, they were very bright, just like seeing with eyes opened. During the ancestral chamber practice, the spirit light was transparent and my ability to control it was better, the condensed light got smaller. After it went down into my lower field, qi began to move between my lower field and middle field automatically. After lunch, I took a tour of the temple where Liu Yiming cultivated, the Zizai Wo. After talking to the daoist in charge there, I entered the temple and closed my eyes to meditate, very quickly I saw yellow color spirit light. After condensing it and put it in my lower field, the feeling was quite good. Afternoon: After the tour, I got into full lotus and gather external medicine, I wanted to continued the feeling I had in Zizai Wo. Immediately after I closed my eyes, the spirit light appeared. Condensed it and retrieved it for about 30 minutes. After the light went into my lower field, I started the five elements practice. When it got to my stomach, the SHO started automatically. So I quickly finished the cycle and to concentrate on the movement of the SHO. An idea flashed into mind at that moment, I heard the method of Macrocosmic orbit from Shen laoshi, so I immediately thought about my Yong Quan points, suddenly two streams of qi flowed up from my Yong Quan points, through my legs and into the Hui Yin point and then followed the SHO and into my lower field. A new pathway appeared: Yong Quan -> Hui Yin -> Du channel -> Ren channel. It flowed in this new path for about 20 times. While the qi was moving, it shined a bright light, it was beautiful. Finally, qi flowed in circles inside my lower field, from big to small, from one direction to the other. My lower field was burning, it was very very hot. Finally I quieted down and finished up the meditation. Evening: Ping Heng Gong in front of the divine tree again. During the five elements cycle, qi flowed between my lower field and middle field automatically. I wanted it to stop this movement but wasn’t able to. I asked Shen laoshi afterward and he said let them move on their own. 1st June Early Morning: After greeting the divine tree, I closed my eyes and regulated my breathing, the spirit light appeared immediately. I condensed it to the size of a green bean and put it into my lower field, the qi in the lower field began to vibrate. The amplitude was small in the beginning but then it got greater and greater and even moved back and forth inside my Dai mai, there was some small pain. Afterward qi in my right kidney started spinning and then my left kidney. Qi in the lower field circulated in big and then small circles. After letting it be for about 30 minutes I started zhan zhuang. The same phenomenon appeared. During five elements, the qi moved between my lower and middle fields. Then it started moving in the Dai channel and I again felt a slight pain. Morning: Learnt the practice of “Using the external five elements to open the channels” , then full lotus, light appeared immediately after I closed my eyes. Macrocosmic orbits ran for about 30 times. Then qi moved between the middle and lower fields. Then qi moved in big and small circles in both directions in my lower field. Then qi was collected in my lower field and started spinning rapidly. Afternoon: Practiced “External 5 elements to open the channels”, then full lotus. Light appeared immediately after I closed my eyes, after collected it in my lower field and worked on the five-element cycle, the qi moved between the lower and middle fields, I immediately finished the cycle to observe the qi movement between the two fields. Then Macrocosmic orbit started on its own, it felt like every meridians and channels were moving in my body, I could feel qi inside several meridians were moving at the same time, they had different colors, very bright and moved very fast. There were also white color qi surrounding them and I also saw qi moving in front of my eyes. The entire meridian system were moving rapidly and I was actually a bit worried. But I remembered Shen laoshi’s advice to carefully let them work on themselves, so I quieted down and started to observe and count the number of cycles. After about 70 times, the speed began to be reduced. I then put some intention at the yong quan points and qi immediately flowed up from there into my hui yin then Du and Ren channels into my lower field. After about 100 cycles, qi began to move between my lower and middle fields. Then the qi started moving in big and small circles inside my lower field. Then the qi was collected in my lower field and condensed into rice-sized ball ad started spinning rapidly. Evening: Met with my favorite divine tree again. Light appeared immediately and I collected it into my lower field and then qi started spinning. When I retrieved the spirit light again, qi started moving between my middle and lower fields. After a while, I observed my lower field and the qi started the circular movments. During Zhan Zhuang, Macrocosmic orbit ran for more than 10 times together with several meridians. My 10 fingers were full of qi and they were very hot, I could feel qi moving in my meridian. 2nd Early Morning: Met with my favorite divine tree again. Light appeared immediately and I collected it into my lower field. Then Macrocosmic orbit ran for 70 cycles, then several meridians also started moving, the Dai channel also moved. 3 cycles of five elements and stopped, approximately 90 minutes. Morning: Full lotus on my bed, light appeared immediately. Put it in my lower field. Got into a trance for about 30 minutes, then 2 cycles of five elements. Macrocosmic orbits 16 times. During ancestral chamber practice the spirit light was like a yellow bean, golden color and a layer of rainbow on the surface. Retrieved spirit light into my lower field, it then vibrated very strongly which caused my body to almost leaned back. It happened twice. Then I used the spirit light for the five elements practice, when it got to the lungs, qi started pumping from the yong quan points, so I quickly finished the cycle to observe it. Macrocosmic orbit started running rapidly for about 200 times. Then starting from my toes, I felt vibrations, heat, light and electric shocks, I could even heard a noise that sounds like electricity moving between two metal objects. The phenomenon moved up my legs, thigh, waist. And starting from the waist, a bright qi loop appeared, same thing happened at my chest. I thought this must be the new latitudinal orbits mentioned by Shen laoshi earlier. So I tried my best to remember their positions and numbers. But after I finished the practice, I had forgotten almost all of them, it was just like a dream. After lunch, I went to Mount Long Tou with Shen laoshi. I meditated on mount Long Tou and light appeared immediately, they looked exactly like pearls, they dropped one by one into my lower field. The lower field began to move on its own. The qi inside it then slowly spreaded out like mist. I felt there were several small objects spinning inside. Circular movements of qi then appeared in the lower field. Because it was too sunny, I quickly finished up. Meditating on mount Long Tou felt different from other places, the qi at this place was particular strong. Afternoon: Back to the living quarter, after some tea, full lotus on my bed. Macrocosmic orbit ran for several dozen times together with all the meridians. Then ancestral chamber practice, I did it twice and collected the light in the lower field. Since I felt that the qi did not dissolve completely in my lower field, so I increased my intention to dissolve the qi in the lower field. When I hold my breath to dissolve the qi, a flood of white light bursted out of the lower field and spread to the surrounding. I could feel that my lower field was expanding and contracting and it was breathing rhythmically. At the same times new orbit lines appeared. I thought this was embryonic breathing and so I was very excited. So just like this, I inhaled, hold and then exhaled and during each hold breath, the lower field would started breathing automatically, it was very comfortable. It was like this for about 30 minutes. While this was happening, my legs really hurt and they started shaking, felt really hot, it felt like my legs were burning. During reverse breathing and drawing in the anus, it exacerbated the feeling. After some time, the vibration and burning sensation started to subside, my left leg did not hurt anymore but the right leg continued to hurt. The entire session was about 2 hours. Afterward I went to Shen laoshi and told him excitedly that I had embryonic breathing and I described the phenomenon to him. The teacher said calmly, “This is not embryonic breathing. This is True Breath” and he told me a story. Some guy thought he had reached embryonic breathing, just liked me, and he went to ask Master Wang. The Master did not answered directly but during the class he said,”In order to have embryonic breathing, you must first have an embryo. To have an embryo you must first have Yinyang. To have Yinyang you must have Taiyi (ultimate unity), and to have Taiyi, you must first have internal and external medicine.” Evening: Met with the divine tree again. Light appeared immediately. The circular spirit light had a very special coloration. It was tea color inside but the boundary was grey. After collecting it in the lower field, the lower field began to jump. Afte Ping heng gong zhan zhuang and five elements, macrocosmic orbits started to cycle, the qi movements inside my meridians were very thin. Then the new orbits surrounding the three fields appeared. 3rd Early Morning: Stood in front of the old divine tree, spirit light appeared immediately. The circular light was white and sightly brown outside and black in the center. After pulling it a bit, the color changed to white outside with some rainbow color and the center was gold color. Retrieved it back to lower field and it began spinning immediately, the qi circulated in big and small circles and in different directions. Then I retrieved the light again and the Macocosmic orbit started running, the speed was too fast for me to count the number of cycles, it must had been about 200 times. During the cycles, when it was slowing down, I would strengthen my intention at the yong quan points and then it would speed up again. After the orbits, I closed my eyes to do Ping Heng Gong, suddenly the tree became a giant white column and there were some crossectional light loops. The qi moved from the bottom to the top just like the meridians in the human body. During Zhan Zhuang, the macrocosmic orbit ran again for another 200 times. New latitudinal orbits were also circulating. I looked at it carefully and recorded thir positions and number. I finished up after 2 cycles of five elements. The entire practice was about 2 hours long. I asked about the tree light column, Shen laoshi said, “Trees also have channels where they transport the nutrients.“ he further added that “The number of loops and their position you saw are correct.” Lifes and nature are so wonderful and mysterious! Morning: I took a tour of the Qi Zhen Dian. I stood in front of the oil pine tree in front of the temple for a brief moment. Once I closed my eyes, the light appeared immediately, its color was just like the sun. Retrieved it down to lower field and it immediately began to spin, the Macrocosmic orbit also spun for a few dozens times. The qi of the oil pine tree was soft but full, the tree has a beautiful and respectable appearance. Afterward, I went inside the Qi Zhen Dian, after praying my respect and burned an incence, I sat down to meditate for a bit. The spirit light was liked the rising sun at dawn, when I retrieved it back, its color changed into sparkling gold, it was very strong and limitless, it poured directly into my lower field. I kept at this state while I slowly stood up, I continued to retrieve the spirit light and not long afterward the macrocosmic orbits started runnning for a few dozens times. The power of this authentic ancient temple was so great! Afternoon and evening: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, I collected the golden color light in my lower field. Macrocosmic orbit started running and also the new latitudinal orbits. During ancestral chamber and five elements practice, the Macro orbit also started running for about 200 cycles. I sat in full lotus for almost 2 hours and my legs hurt a lot, but the meridians seemed to be auto correcting themselves and the pain reduced, although the pain was still too much for me and I took one leg down. After tuning my body and looked up, spirit light appeared again, I collected down to my lower field and the true breath happened again. I got into a trance, semi-conscious and dream-like. Suddenly, my legs started shaking and I felt that there were three channels moving up and down and the pain in my legs disppeared and the Macro orbit started running again. I was in this state for a while longer and then I finished up. The entire practice was about 200 minutes. 4th After migdnight: Full lotus, took light into the lower field. Qi started spinning in big and small circles inside the lower field. Tuned my breath, inhaled, held an exhaled. When I was holding my bretah, the lower field started breathing, a rope-like white qi band was leading the lower field to breath, then slowely, my ordinary mouth nose breathing stopped and skin breathing began. Macro orbit started spinning. When the lower field started spinning, the top part would exhale and the lower part would inhale, rising and lowering regularly. During Macro orbit, it raise from the back and fall at the front. It was very comfortable and I got into a dream-like trance state again. I was like that for an hour. Early morning: Met with the old divine tree, light appeared immediately. The first time I condensed the light to a small point, it escaped. I tried it again and collected it to the lower field. The lower field started spinning and the Macro orbit also started running. I could see the dvine tree with my eyes closed as though my eyes were actually opened., the only difference is that it seemed to be cleaner and clearer with my eyes closed. During zhan zhuang, I could see mountain, lake, sky and bamboo forest etc. Morning: Full lotus, light appeared, ignored daoyin. Collected light to lower field. Dantian started spinning. I continued to collect the spirit light which was light blue color. I used my intention to spin my lower field while holding my breath, I could feel the true breath. True breah stopped when I heard the daoyin for ancestral chamber practice. Collected spirit light down to lower filed again and the Macro orbit started to run. Probably because I did full lotus for too long the day before, my legs hurt a lot so I changed into half lotus. Not long afterward, Macro orbit started again until I finished the session. After lunch, we packed up to go back into the city. Our car broke down though so we had to stop at a service pit to get it repaired. At the mechanic's, it was still possible to make out the location of the Qi Zhen Dian and the Oil pine. Shen laoshi said it is possible to retrieve the spirit light of the temple even from this great distance, so I decided to try it. The spirit light of the temple appeared in front me immediately and not long after, the oil pine's light also arrived. How did I tell the difference? I remembered the different colors of the spirit light from yesterday. So I sat in the mechanic’s place and faced Mount Xing long to meditate. Not long afterward, the spirit light of the temple and the tree appeared although the pine tree’s light was weaker than the temple’s light. Both light were somewhat weak at first but it got stronger and stronger gradually. After I collected all the light in my lower field, I was going to do five elements but the lower field started spinning on its own, so I let it do its thing. This lasted for about an hour and in between, true breath appeared and I could hear the surrounding sound, I felt like I was about to get into a trance. The qi slowly flowed into my lower field and the Macro orbit started running, I let it ran for almost 1000 times until our car was fixed. 5th Morning: Woke up and the Macro orbit started on its own, so I straightened my legs and lay on my bed to let it run for about 40 minutes. The night before, I dreamed a giant snake that had beautiful pattern on its body. I was a bit scared so I threw a rock at it, it chased after me so I ran away. It caught up with me though but at that moment, a beautiful tiger appeared and bit the snake at the 7th-inch position, the tiger seemed to be hesitating and so it stopped. I thought, did the snake also bite the tiger? The dream ended at that point. Afterward, full lotus for about an hour, I used the spirit light to link up with the spirit light from Qi Zhen Dian, after a few minutes the temple’s light appeared and I collected it to my lower field. Not long after, true breath appeared. After more than 10 minutes, qi slowly flowed into the lower field. Qi moved strongly inside my lower field and it was very hot. I could also feel granular shaped qi in the lower field, probably because it wasn’t dissolved completely. Then I did five-element cycle three times and took qi back to the lower field. I still felt that the qi wasn’t completely dissolved but my legs hurt too much so I stopped. Shen laoshi’s plan was that after coming down from the mountain, the focus would be shifted to the discussion of the three classics: Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji, Ling Bao Bi Fa and Taiyi Jinhua Zong Zhi. I had read the three books before I arrived at Lanzhou, the words weren’t so hard to understand but the actual practice and their true meaning were of course hidden and I was really not so sure I understood them at all. I read it again after I got back to the city and this time, especially the verification parts, I felt that I really do understand them especially since some of verifications had happened in my own body. After Shen laoshi had arrived, I asked him about dream, he said just go and read the third chapter of Ling Bao Bi Fa. The third chapter is the Mating of Dragon and Tiger and then I understood, isn’t snake a small dragon? Today, we mainly discussed the first chapter of Ling Bao Bi Fa, the Matching of Yin and Yang. 6th Morning: Half lotus for 90 minutes, pretty much the same as the day before, nothing new. Today we discussed the second chapter, the collection and dispersion of water and fire. Night time: Today was the Dragon Boat Festival, I ate too much in dinner, my belly was swelling. I sat down and try to dissolve the qi in my stomach, after some noises from my stomach, I felt more comfortable. I continued the practice and retrieved the spirit light from Qi Zhen Dian into my lower field. Two cycles of five elements and I felt plenty of qi. I did two times ancestral chamber and then two more times of five elements. After collecting the qi to the lower field, the qi raise up and it looked like a 4 inch long light band, I tried to force it back down to the lower field but wasn’t able to, so I just let it be. I felt the qi raise up from my back and flowed down in front, the strength and speed of the movments were unprecedented. I felt like it was moving at 2 or 3 times the speed of the Macro orbit. My whole body was very hot and sweating. After I finished up, I felt very comfortable. 7th Morning: Half lotus, light shifted and spun in front of my eyes. After collecting it down to lower field, qi started moving between the middle and lower field. Today, we discussed the third chapter, the mating of dragon and tiger. Evening: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, collected it to lower field. One cycle of five elements and the macro orbit started running. After that, I did the five-element cycle again, when it reached my lungs, the macro orbit started again. Not long after that, there were big movement up my back and down my front, the movement was very fast. In between, several meridians and channels were also moving. But I felt that the speed and hotness weren’t as good as the day before. After 90 minutes, I changed into half lotus and then did five elements twice. I finished up then and the session was 140 minutes. Afterward, I felt that my skin was especially smooth. Night time: full lotus, retrieved the light from Qi Zhen Dian to lower field. After two cycles of five elements, the macro orbit started running. Then after ancestral chamber practice, after retrieving the spirit light, true breath speared and lower field started breathing. It expanded and contracted regularly like a balloon and the expansion got bigger and bigger and I felt like I was about to float up. My whole body sweated and I thought suddenly, what if I exploded? So I decided to ask Shen laoshi before I continued. I slowly reduced the movement and finished up after another two times of five elements. 8th After midnight: When I was sleeping, I felt that the macro orbit was spinning, so I woke up and meditated. Half lotus, took light back and then did 2 cycles of five elements. Ancestral chamber practice, took light back to lower field, two cycles of five elements, took qi back to lower field. My lower field felt empty and it seemed there were a lot of space in there, I thought where was my Dan? Then I finished up but the lower field started spinning again, I thought what was going on? Why does it happen again? I asked Shen laoshi later and he said,”In college, the junior year ended and the vacation began, the senior year hasn’t started yet, and that’s the happiest time.” I thought about what it meant. Morning: Cross-legged, linked up with the old divine tree, the light I got back was fairly weak, took it back to lower field. Two cycles of five elements and then Macro orbit started. Two more cycles of five elements and I finished up. There was a new phenomenon, whenever I was meditating or resting, as soon as I moved my feet or stimulate the yong quan points, the macro orbit would start running. It was a headache, but a blissful one. Today we discussed the forth chapter, the Cooking of Cinnabar medicine. Nighttime: Full lotus, light appeared immediately, took it to lower field. Macro orbit started running. Two cycles of five elements, ancestral chamber practice, I felt that my ability to control the light got better, two cycles of five elements, macro orbit, latitudinal orbits, entire meridian system moved up and down. 80 minutes in total. 9th Morning: Half lotus, true breath appeared. Saliva pouring out from under my tongue, I swallowed them to the lower field. Macro orbits, entire meridian system were running. I used my intention to contract some of the latitudinal orbits, they got smaller and smaller but their speed increased. Two cycles of five elements and then I finished up. 90 minutes in total. Today, we discussed the fifth chapter, the golden crystal flying up from the side. Nighttime: Full lotus. Light appeared immediately, took back to lower field, then five elements twice, then macro orbits and latitudinal orbits. After ancestral chamber and five elements, the macro orbits ran again. Then I tuned the latitudinal orbit and following my regulations of my breaths, the orbit got smaller and smaller while the speed increased. This time the upper, middle and lower field were connected in one line. The broken line is no longer broken! It was just like a meridian and starting running. Afterward, my legs hurt so I finished up. 70 minutes in total. Night time: Crossed legged. Light appeared immediately, took it to lower field. Five elements and then macro orbit, latitudinal orbits and entire meridian system started moving. I decreased the size of the latitudinal orbit to make it run faster. The broken line then also started moving. I was worried that the qi might burst out from the Tian Men so I use the body universe and personal universe to regulate it. Qi moved up and down between the upper and lower field. Afterward, I saw the sky, clouds and mountain ranges just liked with my eyes open. Then, I saw a flood of light, it was transparent and golden color, liked a curtain. I was going to finish up but the Macro orbit and latitudinal orbits just wouldn’t stop. So I continued to sit. 200 minutes. 10th Midnight: Half lotus. Light appeared, took it to lower field. Five elements and then macro orbit, the speed was much faster than before. Latitudinal orbit, broken line started moving. Used body and personal universe to regulate the movement. Qi moved to lower field. Then I saw the edge of the personal universe, I was sitting inside a big sphere, very bright, liked the scene when I opened my SHO but just without the stars. Morning: Half lotus, light appeared, took it to lower field. Five elements, macro orbit, latitudinal orbit. Qi to lower field, then it wanted to go up. Lower field spinning, five elements again. Finished up. In the afternoon, I left my place of rebirth, Lanzhou. I went home happily and a changed person. Conclusion A limited lifetime and an unlimited universe. How can a human obtain a lifespan that is as long as the heaven and earth? The ancients observe the movements of the heaven and earth, they understood the transformation of yin and yang, the movements of the sun and the moon. And using these observations, they revealed the rule of the great Dao inside the human body. This is Dandao, ordinary people only used their normal eyes to see man, things and the universe, but they don’t know how to use the Heaven eyes to see the world behind the ordinary world. Life is short, normal people don’t know how to escape the pain of living, like birth, old age, diseases and death. Living only in the material world, there is no escaping these pains. But if they looked back and read the wisdom of the old sages and started learning and practicing dandao, then there is a possibility to escape. The “On true immortals” chapter in Zhong Lu Zhuan Dao Ji is excellent, and one should study it carefully. Through the personal guidance of Shen laoshi, I was able to experience firsthand the pre-heaven movements of qi (SHO, macro, latitudinal orbits) and also the shining brightness of the original spirit and ling xing. I have changed completely as a person, from inside to outside. I understood what is meant by “Dao is not far from human”. By studying the three classics and the verifications in them and the things that happened inside my body, I was able to understand the Zhong Lu Dandao is the complete method and perfect integration of theory, method and verification. It helped me reaching a new level of consciousness and a deeper appreciation of traditional Chinese culture. This ended my 15 years of study in China at a high note and I hope a full ending would be possible with my own further tireless effort. June 10th 2011 at Lanzhou. End of the quote. Where are you in your [neidan] cultivation? What do you do? What do you see? What do you think?

I used to dream a lot. Now I don't dream at all, haven't for years - unless it is something for a healing, and occasionally I'll get a message of what to do. If there are no dreams to go to, where would the momentum of a practice end up?

Your question is basically the question of where is the "Mysterious Valley" that is referred to - and it is still "debated" in Neidan literature, etc. Actually the "Mysterious Valley" is the eternal process of the future guiding the past. The future is the blue light as a spacetime shift - so it is yang qi that is absorbed. The past is the red light. In terms of breathing - oxygen is blue light and red light is CO2. This training is from the original human culture, the San Bushmen teach to visualize fire at the base of the spine so a boiling steam rises up to the brain. This creates N/om which is an electromagnetic light energy. Now to return back to the Neidan literature of the Reverted Elixir we can just revisit the thread I posted. Oh I see now the OP question refers to the quote in that thread: So what does this tell us? The True Yang is only created AFTER the "yin principle returns" - by going back down the front. So Yang qi "has substance" - which is to say it is ionized lecithin with cerebrospinal fluid and blood. The pineal gland converts blood into cerebrospinal fluid - and in that process it ionizes the cerebrospinal fluid, while combining with the photons since the pineal gland is also a photoreceptor. The serotonin captures the photons. This is all standard science I'm telling you. So as the cerebrospinal fluid builds up as pressure in the skull it then overflows out of the sinus cavity into the mouth - facilitated by the tongue against the roof of the mouth, to activate the vagus nerve which causes the sinus cavity to flow and also creates saliva. For example the reason you sneeze from eating cayenne is because the vagus nerve is activated by the cayenne. OK so then this saliva is swallowed and it causes great heat in the pit of the stomach - and is then absorbed back into the small intestines for storage. As you continue this "small universe" meditation (river chariot or heavenly circuit) - or microcosmic orbit - then you "convert jing to qi" - which is to say the food turns into yin qi (as the lecithin is ionized) - and you increase the serotonin levels which then capture MORE photons (cosmic energy). This works through the vagus nerve so you increase the bliss. the vagus nerve inhibits the heart - so the heart beat slows down as you build up the energy. Then once the lower tan t'ien is filled with yin qi - this can take 3 months - then the yuan qi is activated - and this is Non-local as Nirvikalpa Samadhi or the Emptiness - aka Immortal Breathing or Fetal Breathing. So the Mysterious Valley actually means the Light is both matter as a particle photon but since it is zero rest mass it is also a non-local phase that is from the future - superluminal relativistic mass energy. That is the Emptiness as the spacetime vortex. So the energy has to be stored in the lower tan t'ien or else when the spirit leaves the body - if it does not have enough Yuan Qi surrounding it - then the light creates a dizziness spacetime vortex. So then you Embody the Emptiness as a local spacetime vortex through the Heart. The Heart is then the Big Accumulator as Gurdjieff calls it - or Large Accumulator. The right side vagus nerve goes to the right side of the heart - which is the source of the Yuan Qi. So this is called Shen-Qi or Cosmic Qi or Yuan Qi. So it's also called Yin Matter that is the "golden key" that is superluminal. So our body has each cell and neuron made of collagen and the collagen has microtubules - and tubulin. So this "captures" water and the water then has increased density with increased pressure. So the water the "splits" into proton energy that is delocalized. This delocalized proton energy is the "yang qi" and it has a magnetic moment with the electrons as yin qi. So the magnetic moment is actually superluminal - it is the "spin" that is non-local quantum energy or the "virtual information field" as qigong master Yan Xin calls it. So this "virtual information field" is the quantum spin between the yang qi and the yin qi - or the blue light and the red light. So then you create "yuan jing" that also creates a "yang shen" as golden light by absorbing more spin energy from the future - and "embodying the Emptiness." For example when we dream then the spirit can leave our body. We experience the dream as if it is in our body - but it is possible we could "wake up" during our dream and realize we our out of our body. So then the photon as light is like the astral cord that connects the body's soul as the Emptiness Embodied - to the spirits being created that can leave the body. So this means that the Formless Awareness is a zero/infinite time that is eternal and at the speed of light. Light experiences no time and no space since it has zero rest mass. But at that zero rest mass the experience of the "particle" of light is infinite awareness. but the light still has relativistic mass that then creates new matter from virtual radiation - from the future. So from the perspective of the qigong master then multiple people can be healed instantaneously - at the same time - since the qigong master is "resting" at the zero/infinite speed of light that is "clear light" but this particle of light at the same time has relativistic mass as the Emptiness that "does the work" for the qigong master. So the Emptiness (cosmic yuan qi or the Mysterious Valley) then creates new matter that heals people from the light. So in the body of the qigong master - again the serotonin captures the light and re-emits the light. The serotonin does this working with the microtubules - but the microtubules are activated by Ultrasound (the highest pitch we hear externally, when listened to internally then resonates the body at ultrasound). The ultrasound then creates quantum coherence via a ELF subharmonic. This is the spontaneous OM sound of the Universe that the qigong master hears through the heart. The OM sound is the yang qi coming in from the future - and then creating blue light that heals the red light yin qi blockages of the past. So then physical reality is a type of dreaming of light but we experience the Waking physical reality in the PAST with our eyes open. So only by closing the eyes - can we activate the Sun and Moon harmonized with the Earth as the Yuan qi energy - the left eye is yin qi (yang shen) and the right eye is yang qi (yin shen). So then the Central channel is the Yuan Qi "gateway" but when it is activated then reality that is "external" is then experienced "internally" inside the body of the qigong master - through the light that is holographic. That is the Mysterious Valley of the Wuji - the Soil is this yellow light (the yin shen).

I can know without awareness if I am creating the thing? To create something, there has to be a you. To be a you, you have to be aware, even if it's a low-level-awareness. I'm not sure I am completely understanding what you are trying to say. Could you please clarify it a bit? The alarm is created by me as soon as I wake up. When I'm sleeping, no alarm exists. If I put a camera recording the body sleeping, the camera and body still are non-existing for me, and when I wake up, I (mind) become aware and they appear. Awareness always precedes creation. I only know that the alarm awoken me up when I wake up, which means, when I wake up, I created the universe and the alarm clock. Have you ever done lucid dreaming? This can happen exactly like that in a dream. Example: I'm sleeping, the alarm wakes me up and I get up and go to the bathroom (This all happening in a dream, exactly like here) Then suddenly you wake up from that dream and you wonder, oh boy.. that alarm clock waking me up when I was sleeping in that dream.. it's was all fake. Do you get what I mean? For me, the world doesn't exist without my awareness of it. How do I know? I can't know the world exists if I'm unaware of it.

Nope, sorry, not something I’m really prepared to undertake right now. It would take considerable time and a different format than what’s available here. It’s very deep and rich and I doubt I would do it justice. It’s a slow and painstaking process for most. It took me over a year of daily practice before I saw much progress. It’s definitely a long term commitment. If you’re serious about learning, I can point you in the right direction and if you decide to start practicing regularly, touch base with me here and I’m happy to offer my support. This online course is the perfect way to begin, other than a live retreat IMO. https://www.glidewing.com/twr/dreamyoga_home.html It’s not cheap but worth the tuition. I’ve taken the course and loved it. It’s not quite like being on retreat with Rinpoche and other lamas and sangha but it’s the next best thing. It’s a 4 week course consisting mostly of prerecorded teachings and Rinpoche is available in an online forum setting to give guidance and answer questions. Another option is to study from a book. Not as effective for me but it can work if you’re dedicated and patient. There are many good books on the subject. This is one written by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche - https://ligmincha.org/product/the-tibetan-yogas-of-dream-and-sleep/ If you decide to read the book, contact me here after you’ve read the beginning sections and get started with the actual night time practices. There are some modifications that can make it more approachable that Rinpoche recommends on retreat and in the Glidewing course. The way it’s presented in the book is the more traditional approach usually undertaken in an extended personal retreat or monastic setting. Best of luck to you! PS - dream and sleep yoga, like all dakini practices, are tantric practices. These work with powerful energies of body, mind, and energy. I urge caution as they can mess you up when not approached with proper preparation and guidance.

I have downloaded Seven Taoist Masters on my kindle and I am waiting for the Nei Yeh. In the meantime, I got Daoism Explained by Hans-Georg Moeller. I have been listening to it on my bike ride. Very interesting. Check out the butterfly story: Translation by Giles (i.e. Westernized): Once upon a time, I, Zhuangzi, dreamt I was a butterfly, fluttering hither and thither, to all intents and purposes a butterfly. I was conscious only of following my fancies as a butterfly, and was unconscious of my individuality as a man. Suddenly, I awaked, and there I lay, myself again. Now I do not know whether I was then a man dreaming I was a butterfly, or whether I am now a butterfly, dreaming I am a man. Between a man and butterfly there is necessarily a barrier. The transition is called Metempsychosis. (Giles 1926: 47; Moeller 2006: 44) Translation by Moeller (based on ancient Chinese commentary): Once Zhuang Zhou dreamt – and then he was a butterfly, a fluttering butterfly, self-content and in accord with its intentions. The butterfly did not know about Zhou. Suddenly it awoke – and then it was fully and completely Zhou. One does not know whether there is a Zhou becoming a butterfly in a dream or whether there is a butterfly becoming a Zhou in a dream. There is a Zhou and there is a butterfly, so there is necessarily a distinction between them. This is called: the changing of things. (Moeller 2006: 48)

Yup and it was a game changer. I had become lucid in a dreamonce , where I was grappling with a green skinned demon who had entered my home with a sword, to kill my wife and I. The demon had the appearance of a young man who we were putting up in our home at the time. The dream was set in the room I was sleeping in. As I ended the fight, with the blade in the heart of this demon, the dream froze the moment the sword reached its heart and I woke up, opening my eyes in the 'real world'. With my waking eyes, I was looking at my frozen dream self and the demon standing in the room with me. I then realized I was in sleep paralysis and there was this incredibly menacing presence of a shadowy female... something that was so close to my left cheek, I could feel her. She emanated hate, malice and ugly desire. I could make no sound other than tiny whimpers, in spite of my intent to scream and wake the entire building. When I finally managed to flex my right pinky finger, the paralysis broke, the dream ended and the vision faded, the presence dissolved and I got up rather shakily.

Hi Everyone, Lovely to connect with you all. I'm an aspiring to align myself to the Tao. I've been interested in spirituality for about 6 years now. In 2016, I was in a very bad state of my life and wanted to find answer to liberate myself from the cacophony that was my life then.. It was as if I lived in a bad dream, and I kept on re-opening my eyes trying to wake up... though from the outside my life seemed fine. I was making 6 figures in my mid-20s, and had some trappings of success in life... In my desperate attempt for answers, I went on a week-long pschyedelic retreat taking Iboga... That opened up my eyes to spirituality rooted in the awareness that life is not what conventional science would have you believe... since then, I've been learning more about all kinds of spirituality materials... and I'm very keen on learning more about Eastern philosophy and Taoism.... I found this forum from searching about Mo Pai... I hope to connect with others on here and maybe meet up with some of y'all if you are in NYC

We live in a dream and this dream is capable of producing anything. I've studied astrology for years and it's fascinating to watch the trends, it's a super useful tool. At the ultimate level, there are no planets and nothing is really going on here. But on a relative level, in this dream, there's something called astrology and it's a tool that we can use for various things. I see personal choices like that. In this dream, you have a will and that will can be used to have different effects on your life. Karma may even be part of the dream. So, we do cause our own suffering, in a relative way, and you are just part of the divine doing itself. It's useful to see things this way for the sake of non-attachment. At the same time, even with the yin method of living, you can't be too laissez-faire about it. Yes, the divine is orchestrating all this, but you're a part of the divine that has the power to choose, and if you abdicate that then you're choosing to be at the whims of the world. That may cause suffering.

Love it! How about "awake"? Does waking up from a dream entail "end of the dream"? If so, is the dream destroyed? I see what you mean, as destruction carries a violent connotation to me too. I prefer "no mind state" or "non-grasping mind state"...if I had known this long back, might have not taken me so long to appreciate it I too like non-attachment better. How about unfettered?

What a fascinating topic! My preconceptions of how minds operate were utterly blown open when I discovered my wife is Aphantasiac. I didn't know Aphantasia existed and we only came to investigate it when I was very curious about the structure of a particular house she was describing in one of her dreams. I have a secret desire to build out retirement home out of components of her literal dream houses, so I keep a log book of sorts. One time, when really trying to pin her down on the details of a dream home I wanted to sketch we hit a crossroads. Me: (after a few go rounds of trying to get details) But what were the exact details of the rooms? Plants? windows? furniture? High ceilings? She: Normal ceilings... and that stuff was all there, but... well, I can't tell you how it was exactly, I don't see things in my dreams... I just feel them... I just know what's occuring." Me: what do you mean you don't see anything in your dreams? She: I don't picture things... iit's not like I actually see stuff... I just experience them... there is a knowingness. I just know what's occuring. Me: so you see nothing?! She: no. Why do you think I'm always so amazed at the details you describe in your dreams. It boggles my mind that you actually see everything so clearly. Me: (mind numbed and blown open... goes to internet searches 'people who can't form visual images ) Wow, hon... you are not alone and I had no idea this even existed. You are Aphantasiac and do not form mental images. She: um... yes... yes. Some studies estimate up to 12% of the population does not form mental images when thinking. Yet one still dreams without imagery. It takes place as a 'knowingness' instead of simply seeing virtual visual images. My wife has a full dream life, yet she feels what occurs, instead of seeing it. It's never seemed to impact her as she was thriving in her career when she stepped away and meditates regularly, readily falling into what we have come to call 'the grey zone' with relative ease. I now sometimes recognize it in folks at work. Particularly in our Art Department. The design team comes to us with ideas about a set for a show and I'll notice when I'm describing to them the manner in which we'll go about trying to build what they are describing, their eyes gloss over and they can't follow what I'm describing. This is due to them not forming mental images of it. So, when words fail, we draw pictures, or even do small or large scale simple mock-ups of what we propose. Then the light bulb goes off and we can proceed on common ground... or not. As for working on visualizing. There's a book and process for physical visualizing techniques that may be useful to you, not sure if it will lead to images, but I really appreciate it. I can't recall the title and author and have to leave for the studio in a few minutes, but I'll have the title for you this evening when I get home. eta: the book is Energy Work by Robert Bruce.

Xcellent! So the things are reborn indeed. Now lets give it a bit of a thought. Re-born...born again. Same thing is born again. Not one thing dies and a different one is born, but the same. Otherwise its not re-birth. now lets go back to OP and see what Herr Mueller is doing there So, one demerit to Herr M. It must be rebirth of things not changing. His second demerit is for translating 有分 as a distinction. He does not understand that 有分 means 'a chip of the same block' , previously same and now separate. Now the story line of this puzzling fable is complete: Zhou recalls his previous incarnation in a dream because the dream is a magical window on the past. He sees a butterfly as himself yet the butterfly does not have a recollection of being Zhou because it had not happen yet. Then he awakens and remembers him being the butterfly in the past reality, but wonders - was this dream a recollection of Zhou about the past reality OR, perhaps a present reality him being Zhou is a prescient dream of the self-aware butterfly about the future reality? Whatever it is, one thing is certain: whether in a dream or in a reality Zhou is a chip of the old butterfly block or in other words, a rebirth of it, whether in the butterfly's dream or in Zhou's reality...

Well, you know.. to someone like me, that sounds like a challenge... Firstly, let me say that I agree about Giles's translation. It is not good. "I" should certainly not be used, and in general it is too specific and presumptive. But Moeller has given us enough to go on as to why Giles's is no good, I think. On to Moeller's own: For sure, no such remembrance is mentioned in the text...but neither is it made clear that ZZ does not remember the dream. If we're talking about a direct, loyal translation, we must not specify either way. Let's look at the text itself, with a loyal (& non-presumptive) multi-choice translation: 昔者莊周夢為胡蝶 once/formerly zhuang zhou dream become butterfly 栩栩然胡蝶也 content understand butterfly 自喻適志與 self explain/understand fit/just will/ideal/remember/consciousness 不知周也 not know zhou 俄然覺則蘧蘧然周也 suddenly awake then leisurely/surprised understand zhou 不知周之夢為胡蝶與 not know zhou dream become butterfly 胡蝶之夢為周與 (or) butterfly dream become zhou 周與胡蝶則必有分矣 zhou and/with butterfly then must have difference 此之謂物化 this is called wuhua For me, 物化 wuhua is important. We cannot claim that either rememberance or forgetfulness are implied in the text; we can only infer. But we can figure out a more precise meaning for wuhua, and see if that helps. Bear in mind that it literally means the changing/transformation of things/stuff: 物 = things (as in wanwu, the ten thousand things) 化 = change, transform, melt, die and it seems to be a contraction of the structure 万物化生 "the ten thousand things die and are (re)born", i.e. the life cycle http://ctext.org/pre-qin-and-han?searchu=%E7%89%A9%E5%8C%96 It comes up a number of times in the Zhuangzi. Let's look at instances where it appears alone as 物化 (not as 万物化生): http://ctext.org/dictionary.pl?if=en&id=2789#s10036103 Here, we might want to read the whole chapter so as not to take it out of context (the speaker is using it to describe action that should not be taken): or, less specifically: Then, from The Way of Heaven: Then, from Ingrained Ideas (using almost the exact same sentence as the previous): Then, from The Full Understanding of Life: wuhua also comes up in the Liezi, Wenzi, and Huainanzi, and some historical and medical texts, but generally in all of these it means "the transformation of things" or the cycle of life and death. Except in that last one, about the artisan Chui. How can one's fingers operate like the cycle of life and death? What ZZ means here, I think, is a seamless, fluid motion; a constant rising and falling; no beginning, only spirit. Just like Cook Ding, Chui is moving with Heaven. 周與胡蝶則必有分矣 Between Zhou and a/the butterfly, there must be a difference/distinction 此之謂物化 This is called wuhua The experience of dreaming is.. dreamy. We often don't know that we're dreaming, and when we wake up we often forget that we dreamt at all. If we do remember, it might be vivid and realistic or fuzzy and fading. Why does ZZ have to be implying total remembrance or total forgetfulness of the dream? And, going back, 俄然覺則蘧蘧然周也 suddenly awake then leisurely/surprised understand zhou The meaning of 蘧蘧 is unclear to me, but I can find no definition of it as "fully and completely" -- more likely, it means "leisurely" or "surprised" In The Revolution of Heaven, implying to me that ZZ's other use of 蘧, in the Butterfly Dream, carries the 'leisurely' connotation rather than 'surprised' So he suddenly awoke, and then leisurely realised that he was Zhuang Zhou. Again, no total remembrance or forgetfulness is implied, I think.

Hi! Appreciate the interesting reflection and response to what was shared. Perhaps what follows below is moot, knowing that you already have much knowledge on mahamudra and dzogchen. But I'll go ahead and reiterate it just to get a certain flow going. Thanks for the patience. In essence, Dzogchen is simply a term that roughly translates as 'a realization of wakeful awareness' or something to that effect, and this wide body of Maha Ati/Dzogchen/Mahamudra/Madhyamika teachings, condensed into maha, anu and ati yoga, are like props, or support that are available to practitioners. As expedients, they should not be confused as means to bring about the realization of the nature of mind, rigpa, which is basic wakefulness beyond the three times, but their access are meant to engender gradual stability post-recognition - after rigpa is introduced by a vidyadhara or qualified awareness holder. No amount of intellectual probing, no matter how profound, will yield that direct experiential knowing of rigpa. For most practitioners, this introduction is merely the precursor to years of patient practice, but for a select few, they are able to bypass this arduous phase - fortunately, or unfortunately, I'm not one of them. The short answer is, yes, it is sufficient. But it bears mentioning that there was a long process taken to get to this point. Hundreds of thousands of accumulations of mantras, prostrations, visualizations - all encompassed in the merit-based Ngondro practice - its that long. I began this practice in 1996, and completed 3 cycles of the Ngondro in 2017. Since then, it can be said that I've somewhat managed to stabilize the View of rigpa, confirmed by the contents of what appear in dreams, which tally with the visualizations that is consciously induced in the waking state during all those years of practice. I've confirmed with my teacher that this is a reliable sign of stability in the View. Now I'm quite confident of what visions will appear in my consciousness at the threshold of the bardo, since it is stated in the Book of Great Liberation that the visions arising in the transitional phases of the bardo of dying is akin to the visions of what generally appears in our dreams. Speaking of the Book of Great Liberation, im reminded of a video that I happened upon years ago that really helped to deepen my practice. It was integral to my realization towards the concluding end of Ngondro. It probably wont mean as much to anyone else because maybe the resonance may differ based on individual proclivities and karmic propensities. Anyway, I'll leave it below just to give a feel of what Padmasambhava taught with regards to liberating the mind into its own essence. When one is able to penetrate with sufficient profundity into the experiential truth of transiency and impermanence, the values placed on what is normally regarded as crucial to one's well-being is radically transformed. Things that otherwise are deemed real and important, seeming states of discomfort and other mundane feelings that tend to generate doubt (whether we are doing enough mostly) due to remaining subtle traces of dualistic tendencies still embedded in the mindstream no longer matter as much. These are easily cut through with the sword of non-dual wisdom and compassion. I'll conclude with a teaching extract of Longchenpa's, taken from the book, Finding Rest in Illusion. This can also serve as a very helpful contemplative aid: "Things are dream-like; in the very moment they appear, no intrinsic being at all, and yet, their features are not lost to their appearance. There is no hindrance. Carefully investigate these dream-like and momentary forms - in every aspect, empty. They are neither false nor true; not existent, yet not non-existent; beyond all ontological extremes. They are like space. Beyond both thought and word, know that they are primordially pure. Thus, by means of such a view, you garner clear understanding that all things in samsara, and nirvana, are like dreams."

When I could not walk, I would play the old Kung Fu forms in my mind, first as a way to alleviate boredom and to escape the constant pain. Eventually I continued because it was the only way I could still play the forms. While the muscles would not be worked, it turns out the pathways of energy did not realize it was 'fantasy' and responded accordingly. For some months a couple of years ago, as I would lay down to sleep every night, I would work a form in my mind as vividly as I could imagine, with the intention of playing Qi Gong lucidly in the dream state. Some weeks into the practice, I became lucid and had this experience. * I became lucid with the realization that energy was flowing freely and with strength along the Du/Ren channels. After some time in this state, I became disassociated with my dream body and yet maintained full awareness and sensation of the flowing energy within my dream body. I realized I was now looking at myself from outside. I was staring at my own body (even as I could feel the MCO flowing in it), my dream body was seated inside an egg, that egg was housed in the trunk of a friendly old tree.* Dream work is invaluable in my experience. I have learned things of myself in the dreamscapes, that are as impacting, enlightening and valuable as anything I have experienced in what we collectively call the 'waking life'. I wish you vivid journeys.

It depends on how much awareness one retains in the dream state (not just dream awareness, but awareness of the fact that it is a dream). The entire realm of astral travel uses this primarily.

I'm not even very sure what to label the sort of meditation I do, because its not even anything formal. The closest description, I think, would be spontaneous basic wakefulness. Or in Zen, it would be close to chop wood, carry water. Its a very passive approach to resting the mind in its original nature, which is the fusion of emptiness and cognizance. Once this experiential insight is reached - that of recognizing with some conviction the true essence of mind - thoughts no longer have any foothold in my field of awareness. They can come and go as they please, or I could manifest thoughts as they're needed without the stress of worrying if certain thought patterns will fester, take root, and accumulate karma over time. Old karmic imprints are still stored within this mental continuum, something which used to bother me as I figured, gosh... so many lifetimes of karma there, how am I going to cope.... but with the realization of the above-mentioned basic wakefulness, these anxieties and emotional knots naturally liberates spontaneously in the same manner as they arise to try and ripple that original space of quiescence that meditation helped me to recognize. Now, the ripples simply arise and dissipate on their own volition. All this with the relaxed patience of a kindly grandfather who watches over his grandkids' innocent antics. I know some here who know my online demeanour may wonder about my claim, and thats really okay - I think a lot of people have the idea that seasoned meditators are meant to fit a certain persona - they have to be like this, they have to be like that, they must do this and that, well, thats quite normal. But when one has tasted what release and expansion and freedom means, then the grasping at this sort of dualistic judgements will cease naturally. The discriminatory function can still be called upon, but the grasping or rejection aspect loses its hold. It allows for greater malleability and is not dependent on fixed reference points. Underlying this expansive awareness is the knowing that nothing is ever what they seem, that things are in constant flux, and what may appear solid and unyielding today may just release themselves by the sheer force thats inherent in their own state. Tempted as I may to impose and hasten their change to bring about a result that I wish to have, I know with certainty that this 'doing' is what gives birth to cause and effect. Just relax, and change takes care of itself. Late edit... Just remembered the words of my friend Tharchin Zangpo which sums up in so few words what I wished to convey with so many - "With eyes open, mind conjures up the dream-like realms of life. With eyes closed, mind conjures up the dream-like realms of sleep and death."

I was wondering if from the perspective of waking consciousness if 3rd eye stuff corresponds to dreamless sleep but being able to manifest that state within waking awareness. Because I'm claiming when I was posting here the other day I wasn't really awake at all. It seems to me I entered into an expanded realm of awareness which occurred during meditation and that was the door of 3rd eye unlocking and opening up for the first time. It's not something I've experienced before so when I came out of it I opened my eyes and started posting here, but I was coming out of dreamless sleep and posting here while still in meditative dreamscape without realising I was still one step beyond! (Not many people know it but electronic media is actually a mimetic dream fabric come alive inside a hardware environment -- technology dreaming -- a replication -- biomorphic machines come alive through synthetically crafted internal circuitry/nervous systems -- do androids dream of electronic sheep?) In my dream, which I posted about in another thread on this forum prior to the above occurring, I fell asleep in my dream and went beyond dreaming consciousness there too and I was interpreting that as a message from the future at the time -- I got a good dose of qi from an old friend which shifted things into another realm of understanding altogether and that was something I needed to be prepared for. With 3rd eye states of awareness the passage of time breaks down -- past/present/future merge and subject-object distinctions melt into evaporating spatial grounds too!

Felecula, Congratulations!--hearing sound(s) that one isn't certain of their source(s). That is one of the sure signs of correct meditation and that the body is truly relaxing. All meditation / yoga traditions have side-effects of telepathy and clairvoyance. My experience in Taoist and Buddhist monastic Qigong systems is that clairaudience is also an occuring and most interesting side-effect. I believe that you are the first to report this phenomenon. So congrats! Not only does FP Qigong facilitated clairaudience enable one to hear sounds and human conversations that are at a great distance and tnat are normally not audible, but it may also open the channel to auditory dreams--i.e. dreamstates where information channels in only through sounds. I myself have had only one auditory dream in my lifetime so far; it came in 1980 and was extremely prophetic, to say the least. About your experience of "carbonation" and the bubbling feeling: that bubbling feeling that's like a churning or roiling is normally first felt in the tan tien, which is a great and mighty milestone to achieve in any system of Qigong. But if you are feeling "bubbling" in other parts of your body or throughout your body in general, that's a phenomenon I have not experienced. And that is not to question nor invalidate your experience of the FP Qi cultivation one iota. Everybody responds to the FP Qigong in their own unique way--on top of the common phenomena that FP practitioners have experienced and reported on this thread. Continue to enjoy your carbonation and let us know your FP practice evolves especially as you practice the Vol.4 Long Form Standing Meditation ("FPHHCM")--auditory channeling and all! Happy New Year! Sifu Terry http://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

I had a very vivid dream, riding motorcycle along a road, pine forest either side, then came to a cross road, the forest was still continuing up to the cross road, other side on the corner was a park and in the park was a small convoy of light army vehicles, some soldiers were standing around chatting and drinking tea, or coffee, they had a small fire going on the BBQ there on the opposite corner was a small store. Insignificant ... but curious in its detail and vividness. A few weeks later, I a am on my motorcycle trying to find a small town in Queensland, I must have missed a turn in my directions as I kept going and going and didnt spot the described landmarks, I had been riding for ages through a pine forest and decided to turn around and go back. There was a cross road sign ahead, so I continued to there ..... and .....t he forest was still continuing up to the cross road, other side on the corner was a park and in the park was a small convoy of light army vehicles, some soldiers were standing around chatting and drinking tea, or coffee, they had a small fire going on the BBQ there on the opposite corner was a small store...,WTF! I looked around and saw a sign 'Ravensholme' , and I had recently accepted raven as a totem (due to certain occurrences) and had one tattooed on my left arm. I havent a clue about the significance of this. I guess one could 'dream visit' a site , but the time factor ( the army convoy) really stumped me . A few times I have had dreams about a house or events in a certain house ..... seen the street in a dream, found the street in real life- but no such house in it . ?

I thought it worth sharing that the workshop Liminal Luke was referring to is here: http://www.glidewing.com/twr/dreamyoga_home.html Unlike the Facebook Live teachings, this workshop has a fee as it is hosted by Glidewing, an independent entity. It's a great workshop. I've spent 2 weeks in retreat with him on these practices, done the workshop, and read the book. I can confidently say that the workshop has everything you need to establish a solid dream practice. Jox, I think Silent Thunder is referring to this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/199519.The_Tibetan_Yogas_Of_Dream_And_Sleep Great resource for dream and sleep yoga with the emphasis on dream yoga. The supporting practices discussed for dream yoga are also used for the sleep practice. If anyone is working with these practices and has questions, I can help with the basics.

i have wanted lucid dream before, i wished lucid dream, got lucid dream..even then i saw that i don't have the same thing. And i noticed i am too aware for any kind of practice. Specially if you dissolve your delusional mind what finds meanings to things, like if i drink coffee i erase the delusion of that i drink it; its how i get from heart to head. if you are into dream yoga; it is a delusion of yours. So work it off. Get to head and see yourself how "doing something is a going round and round". If you try practice something from head region without delusion, you won't success in anything, you won't get into lucid dreams or out of the body or any other things. So here we reach to the point there is substance needed what isn't delusion.