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So um i was thinking that um if one were to hold a yoga pose for 3 dream hours that is time in a dream would one then master it in that context of the dream? Could one emass siddhis in the dream world? so that one becomes the lord of dreams in there dreams? These question came about because like a couple of years ago i had a dream where i was able to do pyrokinesis. I thought this was one of my prophetic dreams in that i would be able to do it in real life. but as of yet i cant. So i got to thinking what if it was not ment to be in real life but in the dream world. Anyone ever talk with god or a high level being that would be able to answer questions about the universe? cause i have some questions about aliens and the ancient peoples of the world and such. Plus there is always the argument that dreams are real and that this world if the dream.

Thank you, that is good stuff. I think I feel a bit lost lately. First Christianity said this is the way it IS, but then later I thought "alright but this doesn't really make sense". Then I try qigong, but after a while I feel like I'm just flapping my arms around. Then Buddhism says no this is the way it IS, but then I'm like hmmm I'm not sure. So now I'm scratching my head a bit and trying to find something verifiable. ** Interestingly enough I just remembered I had some kind of dream last night about yin and yang.

Hi ilumairen, We must be careful not to store up the teachings as only conceptual understanding lest that conceptual understanding becomes a block to wisdom. The teachings are not ideas to be collected, but a path to be followed. - TWR The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep Am I trolling? - Anand

A friend of mine gave passed onto me this blog which discusses this topic: http://cattanga.typepad.com/tabby_cat_game.../not-again.html Dreams, as a topic of discussion, are a huge bore. I don't just mean some idiot telling your their fascinating dream of last night, though lordy only knows that's bad enough, but I mean the whole topic of dreams is inherently dull. Mainly because they don't go anywhere. The problem boils down to this: dreams lack teeth. And we humans can only care about stuff with teeth. It's such a boring cliche to assert that waking life is actually a dream simply not recognized as such. That was already done and dusted back in the ancient BCE time of Zhuang Zi (man v. butterfly). Yet there is something to the concept. The most interesting stuff I ever heard about dreams was at the Monroe Institute (out of body and remote viewing training venue). Skip Atwater, one of the RV coaches there, told us that one avenue of Remote Viewing explored by the (then) classified Stargate military RV program of the 70's and 80's was to have the viewers attempt to wake up inside their dreams (now called Lucid Dreaming) and then mentally shift the focus or locale of the dream to the target location of interest (some known USA location for training and testing or a Soviet missile base or what have you in a real session). As I recall Atwater's comments on it, there was only one guy who was really super good at this. Atwater showed us RV session sketches done (just after waking) by this guy, and compared them to actual target verification photos. The accuracy and detail this guy achieved was phenomenal, off the charts, far superior to the regular CRV stuff (which I learned and did with great success at the Institute, see my other posts on that topic). So then? What's the problem? Well aside from the fact that nobody else could really achieve anything close to this one guy's level using the Lucid Dreaming technique, the other issue was more serious. See, this dream-viewer guy completely lost the boundary between dream vs. real. He would be dressing in the morning to go to work, sun shining merrily through the window, wife had the coffee started downstairs, birds chirping on the trees outside, neighbors starting their cars for the daily commute - everything fine and dandy. Then he'd open his closet to get a shirt and a pink crocodile would walk out into the bedroom. And he'd think OH SHIT IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN - see, he was still caught in a dream. He literally became UNABLE to tell the difference. So he truly felt his sanity was under threat and he quit the RV program cold turkey. Atwater attributed this guy's success to both extreme inborn natural talent, coupled with rigorous application of the main LD-RV priming technique: Over a period of months: every x minutes (set a timer if necessary) stop whatever you are doing and ask yourself seriously - is it possible that I am dreaming right now? Am I absolutely SURE I'm awake? Pero. Cuidado! You have been warned (pink croc thing above). You are playing with fire here. Another interesting highpoint of the program was an invited talk given to us (RV or OBE students) by a world famous dream researcher from the nearby University of Virginia, Robert Van De Castle. The main thing I remember that this egghead had to say was just "Life is hard. It's mostly bad stuff. Similarly, the content of dreams when systematically tabulated, is mostly negative stuff." He wasn't talking nightmares mind you, just ordinary "dreams". It's mostly shit because it's reflective of real life. Such an obvious point! But I hadn't ever exactly consciously noticed that, later I realized - he's right. Your average nightly dream is rarely anything pleasant. It's mostly generalized anxiety or futile search or evasion of some threat, etc. Am I a man dreaming I am a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming I am a man? We are just here reflecting our true selves in the Yang side of reality working towards (ones fast, others slow and majority in a limbo state) the final awakening.

The thing is how to get consciousness of that level of realization to see thru unreality of our "reality". I personally had experience of such insight but it's hard to describe to someone who never had one but for me it's clear that our reality is not really real similar to the dream before you woke up you act in dream as it is real. So reality is 100% not real but perpetuate dream which we all inhabit, the problem is only that we do not find the trigger to wake up from it which make the difference and impact to our reality. For example if everybody would realize it there will be no struggle for money and we would live in golden age or utopia. I think the stories about such times describes when people lived in such experience or awareness of being.

oneness is outside of time so there is no "moment" for you to experience it. The name "dreambliss" is not clear because some dreams are bad, some good but what is really blissful is the deep dreamless state that everyone has to experience every night - during which you also experience no sense of time. See the hint? So you can logically infer that unless you're a biological robot - who you truly are must still exist even when in dreamless sleep - not in any "Moment" - and so then when you wake up afterwards happy that you had blissful night of sleep - and it is those deep dreamless "moments" that you are not aware that create that bliss - then you can logically infer that the oneness also has this deep bliss. So in actuality it's not a "oneness" but a "three in oneness" which means the waking state is our logical self, left brain dominant with language and our dreaming state is our right-brain dominant self of visions and the subconscious making itself aware and the third state is the dreamless deep sleep that we are not aware of and yet it is the true bliss and the foundation of who we are. So when we become consciously aware of that third state it creates what's called Turiya - the fourth state of awareness which combines the previous three - the deep bliss of the third, the visions of the 2nd and the logical awareness of the first state. So the fourth state is not just a "oneness" but a "three in oneness." So then now that you logically accept that who you really are is actually beyond time - and so then you can also have visions of your future, just like that lady did who left her body to transcend death and get healed. When you have visions of the future the "you" who is having them again is beyond time and so can access your future. So the only way that lady got healed of cancer was by her realizing that who she was actually was in union with a formless awareness that could see the future. If you want to unify with that experience immediately then all you have to do is embrace the "space" between your thoughts. That's all that is needed. Of course most people can not just stop their thoughts. Another natural moment of this experience is the first breath when you awake - just before you have a conscious thought but just after you awake - there is one breath where you are consciously aware of who you are. At that moment you are consciously aware of your dream state - the theta brain waves of the R.E.M. state. A third method is then to entrain your conscious thoughts to align with the R.E.M. dream state so that you are then consciously aware of your dream state - and this is what Tai Chi exercises do or trance dancing or meditation, etc. What it is through science is pushing your sympathetic nervous system to its extreme so it creates a 7 beats per second of your skeletal and nervous system - and this 7 beats a second is your R.E.M. theta dream state - and so in that extreme of your sympathetic nervous system it rebounds to the opposite extreme of your parasympathetic nervous system - and you hit the deep bliss relaxation state of the dreamless state. So normally our deep dreamless state is dark and in ignorance but through meditation and using the resonance of complementary opposites - then we see light and experience the deep bliss - as we connect with our spirit that has access to our future. How is that possible? Because our deep subconscious desires are played out in the future - and the formless awareness oversees the whole "play" of linear spacetime which we discover in the formless awareness - is just a temporary illusion. No "one" experiences the oneness again since it's a "three in oneness" that eternally creates spacetime and energy-matter. So you can listen to it and it is listening to you at the same time - and through complementary opposites renews your energy - but the process itself is impersonal and formless.

Hi dmattwads, Some years back, I went through a period such as you describe. It wasn’t so much that the practices were creating anxiety, but opening up and allowing suppressed and previously unexpressed anxieties to surface. At the time I found the fivefold teachings of Dawa Gyaltsen to be beneficial in allowing these things to take their natural course. Later I took the Dream Yoga course from TWR, and still tend to work with the first location of the throat which (for me) seems to facilitate the necessary balance between clarity and expression.. which probably doesn’t provide you enough information to see the value of this, but it’s one of those “experience it to understand it” kind of things..kind of like when we’re “to far” into the energetic aspects our sleep becomes disturbed. There are ways through this, but I am no teacher. I also experienced this, and accidentally discovered that slowly savoring some cool water (and actively maintaining proper hydration, which required increased fluid intake during this time) worked amazingly well regarding the brain fog. Whatever you determine is best for you, you’re in my thoughts, and I wish you much expedience in finding your way.

I take exception, as an American, to the grave charges you have irresponsibly posted.. America is NOT the government and is NOT the military.. America is brilliant dream conceived by men and women of great hope and vision.. America is an idea that has yet to reach its potential.. it is pandering tripe like you have posted that tarnishes the dream and the vision, that regardless of greed and skullduggery behind behind the motives, good, brave, and decent men and women died or were forever scarred.. not for the greed, they didn't know.. not for the corrupt intentions, they didn't know.. they setaside their lives and their potentials for that great dream, America.. If you want to challenge the government on its policies, be specific and know your facts.. but, do not drag America, the vision, hope and dream and the decent men and women made the ultimate sacrifices into your misplaced and misunderstood 'coolness'.. It is that dream of freedom and of free speech that you are enjoying right here and right now, that was bought with blood and honor based on the promise of America.. choose your battles very carefully, losing America is the war we can't afford to lose.. I am not fond of US policy, foreign or domestic.. i am less fond of political theater for the purposes of playing Americans like stupid piggy-banks at the expense of the future of America's greatest hope, its childern.. i detest war, and the absurdity that believes it to be a valid resolution for any cause.. and, i'm very good at it, only because the dream that is America will not perish on my watch.. and there are causes, both foreign and domestic, that would see that dream dismantled for an ideology of servitude to greed or god, and i serve no man or ideology or deity.. i do not 'serve' America, it is what i choose to be, an American.. not the representative of the United States of America's government, but an ambassador of the hopes dreams and visions of the founding men and women.. So, rethink your vile descriptions of America, and put the blame where it belongs.. on greed and corruption, on government beholdin' to corporate sugar-daddies, and on a nation of people too feeble-minded to speak the truth, and too weak of spirit to hold their elected officials accountable.. and, do not speak ill of the men and women of the military, speak ill of the governments that find it so casually acceptable to negotiate with guns.. Be well

Recently I've been incorporating my cultivation practices into the dream state. The catalyst for starting was encountering this book: Tibetan Yoga of Dreaming and Sleep http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.holybooks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FTenzin-Wangyal-Rinpoche-The-Tibetan-Yogas-Of-Dream-And-Sleep.pdf&ei=CM0cUoWNIaGTiQKA04CAAQ&usg=AFQjCNHHOKC242rU3NC_NiI3UpoMBf9ztA&bvm=bv.51156542,d.cGE&cad=rja. One of the stronger experiences came early on when I intended to run the MCO in the dream state. I became lucid inside a dream where I was a human, merged into a tree, running MCO in an egg shape inside the trunk. I've let this intention go recently, but reading about your experience has reinvested me with motivation to get this going again. Thanks for sharing. Changing up sleep patterns/times is a great way to help trigger lucidity in the dream state. I also use sleep fast/binge cycles to help trigger the 'big dreams'. /|\

Well, the whole point of karma is that it doesn't work in mysterious ways. Karma over countless lifetimes may be hard to account for, but the point is that our actions shape us. I see it more along the lines of dreams. If I spend a lot of time watching horror movies, I end up conditioning my mind and sooner or later, I dream about zombies or whatever. Similarly, if I engage in intense spiritual practices, sooner or later I have spiritual dreams. Do I deserve it? Not necessarily, but I have conditioned myself into it. Karma isn't a sentient being, but a natural process as I understand it.

George was not just a comedian, to me he was a social commentarian... with amazing timing and unmatched delivery. His scenarios often remind me of some of the translations of Chuang Tzu I've read. Social commentary, with enough humor to help it go down a little easier. I miss him and his insights. What he shares in this particular segment is from his final set in which I found him to no longer be even attempting to make it funny, because it isn't. It's some bitter harsh tea, but also some good medicine... to me anyway. "Willfully ignorant... It's called the american dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it." boom Nice intro by Alan Watts too. Good piece, thank you for sharing. Very timely.

The experiential study of identification and non-identification is an interesting one for me. My path is certainly more gradual overall. My main issue is that I had a strong connection with awareness as a kid, and when I heard all these fancy words I assumed it could not be the same thing. It seemed too simple, too obvious. Then once I got on the right track, I found all these reifications that needed to be dissolved. I don't consider myself a good representative of my schools, but I have worked through the dharma wheel from Theravada (Bhavana Society), Zen (I did some Soto in the Katagiri lineage), and Dzogchen (various), spending about 5-6 years on each. My favorite practice is probably dream yoga, which really took off once I met Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche. I also dabble in various Daoist arts, but even more inconsistently. I get the knot behind the eyes, I had a similar experience off the cushion. But as I said, then there was a sense in the center of the head, in the body, etc. Sadly it is not a "one and done" for me, as my ignorance is vast, my grasping is very pernicious, and I am quite lazy. It all seems to be unfolding in its own time, though.

What systems do you guys practice, have practiced or would recommend to people new to energy practice and consider themselves hopeless? I'm not a fan of qigong or hatha yoga (sleep and dream yoga are the exception) but I'm totally open to neidan. The more simple and integrated the system the better. So far I've found Jikiden Reiki to be extremely simple and unified/integrated at least on the surface. Very few, very easy techniques that interrelate. Unfortunately absolute beginners would have to rely on attunements and COVID-19 didn't agree with those plans so far. I honestly would have given up by now and the only evidence of ki I ever came upon was from this book. Standing in a dimly lit room (lights off in the room but turned on in the hallway) and door partially closed, I would stand behind the door and with two fingers spread from the door and from one another (each an inch apart at eye level) I would then begin to slowly spread my fingers. I would notice a subtle halo around my hands and my fingers and I can extend this "mist of soft light" to an extent until it dissolves. I don't have the level of control as the person in the cover of that book but this is very real. What in the world is that?

I was told in a dream that this is the technology of Atlantis. Sound is meant.

Manitou/Barbara, I understand from personal experience with others what this disease can be like, and wonder sometimes if it isn't slowly happening to me, though I don't believe I am nearly old enough to truly suffer from it. I helped my ex-wife with her grandfather and his journey with it. He was a remarkable ex-RAF Wing Commander and Spitfire pilot in World War II and he thought I was one of his war-time friends every time I entered the room. My instinct was to play along, adopting the persona and letting him fill in the details he wanted with the clarity of his past memories. He enjoyed it, though I think he sometimes knew something was off. He smiled just the same, like we were sharing a poorly defined joke. Around the same time, the grandmother on the other side of the family had been put in a beautiful manor house and had quite profound senility. A few days before she passed we visited and she told us how we had JUST missed all of her university friends, down for a day in the countryside and a rollicking pub visit. At the time I was sad and doubted her story, but now I see how wonderful the gift of this visit, in whatever guise it manifested, was for her. It can be as real as anything else... As a newbie here I don't much about your practice or level of insight, but there are a few things I have noticed, if I am speaking from my "story". I suspect that intensified meditation over the last 6 or so years after a great insight altered my short-term memory greatly. I am finishing my Soto Zen priesthood, but worked for many years in the Tibetan Dzogchen tradition, meditating in open awareness. It is now quite obvious that time/space/self are all just beliefs in illusory constructs. This understanding has brought the realization that the continued unraveling of these beliefs is altering the appearance of things from a number of perspectives - one of them is, as you suggest, the way memory and events comfortably sit in a "timeline" or with a "self" as protagonist. Things are more dreamlike now, and, in the same way a dream maps poorly to a story-line, sometimes my experiencing can be choppy when related as a narrative. This doesn't worry me in the slightest, which also seems to be how you are feeling, possibly? I would agree with the idea that the awareness you recognize shouldn't change. That is what all of this is, after all. The place I think we might get caught is in not being able to accept this moment as it is, or see it as free of self. The more of the illusion of the future or past we believe in, the more we believe in our illusory agency, the more uncomfortable things could be as memory fades. If the central premise of reality is shifted to a non-dual understanding, I doubt there would be as much struggle with things, however they appear. If I were in your shoes (and without any knowledge about your level of practice or attainment) I would immediately double down on my practice. I would work with open awareness, resting in timeless/selfless/spaceless non-duality, as much as possible. Take it on walks, washing dishes, bathing, talking, eating, even sleeping. Bathe in it, knowing that all things are only that, and work to TRUST it. I would do retreats as long as I could. I would also work with a realized teacher, if possible, who can keep redirecting you tirelessly and lovingly. My best wishes on your journey, and thank you for sharing it.

Deep sleep is like the thoughtless samadhi sensed in that concept-less moment of cognizing paradox, or that space of pause between two breaths. A natural feeling of being, from which one concludes, "I slept." But it is merely ignorance(that which is not), and one would more accurately state, "I forgot myself." "It is a mistake to think that one enters sushupti(deep sleep) and that one leaves it", points to that unidentified identity that is one's true nature(which is the only nature, so there is essentially no nature). If one never enters deep sleep(forgetfulness) then one also never truly enters waking or dream(knowing of). The mind reels at the prospect, fearing its demise or collapse of its structure. One becomes so unquestioningly identified with the thinker, yet supreme intellect intuitively sees the truth spontaneously. There are no thoughts to interrupt, as there is no thinker. There is only a falling asleep of sorts, identical to the experience of remembering. There is no real waking or dream representative of objective knowledge, and there is no real deep sleep representative of the dark veil of ignorance. There is only witnessing by that which cannot be witnessed, wherein the ignorance of forgetting forgets itself. It never sleeps, and is always woke. From behind these immense curtains of consciousness, the flimsy veil of forgetfulness and remembrance is exposed in all of its short-lived transparence. Throughout all passing states, "samadhi" never enters and never leaves. Ramana said, "Holding on to the supreme state is Samadhi. When it is with effort due to mental disturbances, it is Samprajnata. When these disturbances are absent, it is Nirvikalpa. Remaining permanently in the primal state without effort is Sahaja." This means one must BE "samadhi." Being oneself is effortless, even if one seems to forget and then remember. If one insists on looking upon "samadhi" from afar, instead of fearlessly being it, one will miss oneself and continue appearing to "slip in and out" of that "continuous samadhi".

Yeah I’ve had a few of them. Initially I used to use a mantra to “poof!” them. As time progressed I realized that i must not avoid them — so instead, I lovingly embrace them and they go “poof!” anyway. But the difference is, I didn’t resist, so didn’t have a fear/flight-fight habitual pattern reinforced. But not all dreams are the same — if you physically get cold, then it’s a different story. If you don’t register a change in temperature, it’s not an “entity”, in my experience. In 2019 summer, I decided to go off to the Himalayas for some meditation/solitude and to finish writing my book. One morning at around 2 am, the room got very cold (summer nights are cool but don’t get cold at 8000 feet in the Himalayas) — I’ve been lucid in my dreams for a long time now, so as I saw a brawny bald guy come at me angrily, I wondered who he was (looked very familiar), but couldn’t place him. He was angry, a little scared, and came at me hard. I decided to lovingly give him a hug, and his demeanor changed, and he calmed down, and then disappeared into a mist. I got up and realized it was very cold in the room — so I wrapped a blanket around myself, and I went back to sleep. I woke up that morning and when I finally went up to the hotel’s restaurant to eat breakfast, I checked FB. My friend, with whom I’d not had much contact in over a decade, had passed away around the same time I encountered the dream person. Now, as I remembered this friend - he was bald, but skinny. I didn’t realize he had put on weight and bulked up since I last saw him. It was him, they way he looked in the obit photograph, that had visited me.

Ok, Sketch, thank you very much for your input. While I'm unfamiliar with Alexander technique and Emilie Conrad's Continuum practices, I have tried Daoist six healing sounds and I found the bijas more powerful/effective. Now, two things in your reply resonate with my practice: 1. There's definitely focus/circulation of energy in body areas, tissues, bones for each bija. Like each one would activate a specific circuit, a particular modality. 2. Interior sound !? That's a deep one... Sometimes the bija is not so much sounded as thought/invoked before and beyond mere uttering. Secondly...I think I can talk to my body (the physical one) in a "language" that's before words...I can't put into words the feeling. Now, my practice as I have navigated through it: 1. I do it for 30-90 min at a time, 2-3 times a day. Possibly because of my health problems....I need a stronger dose. 2. First Stage: clarity in uttering the bija (inner sound, I do not use chanting). By clarity I mean the uttering has some crisp clear quality like outrightly speaking....and the bija vibrates all body. 3. Second Stage: bija starts repeating itself....I have reached this...from time to time. 4. Third Stage: mind (as in buddhist mind, that's all being) gets fully focused...eventually absorbed/immersed in the bija....I had only a glimpse of this. Basically....that's my experience...I must admit that sometimes I feel like there is a threshold I can't pass through...maybe the health interfering ?! I don't get Second Stage on a regularly basis....Third Stage remains only a dream for me. Any input on the above ?

Allow those beings to come to you, and embrace them lovingly. If you are aware enough to remember mantras, then you are almost lucid. Just remember it’s a dream and accept them. I find it interesting that your “demons” come from the attic. And that you have a pain in the root chakra. What if your pain is not due to a root chakra blockage at all? What if it is congestion because there is no where for the energy to go?

Okay , in your dream they where 'in there ' , but do you remember anything about them or what they appeared to be doing . And did that old house have a basement ?

What where they doing in your dream ? This is significant , I feel . As you say its really weird and unpredictable ..... but not to me it isnt .

In my dream they were. When I woke up I still felt something bad in the room with me. It went away with the chanting.

Even though everything is empty, like a dream and illusory, nonetheless sentient beings are deceived by appearances and believe in a self and a real world, so even within their dream they suffer. It is like being in a nightmare not knowing that the nightmare is only a dream. Awakening means you realize the dream as illusory. So it becomes like lucid dreaming, you no longer suffer because of the dream and you can even control and do whatever you like in the dream. So even though everything is primordially pure, realizing it is what makes a difference. Waking up is what is important, much like if a beggar has a diamond hidden in his pillow but does not realize it, he will not benefit from it and still be poor. Because sentient beings, though illusory, have mistakenly taken self and phenomena as real, they are suffering. This why it is sensible to have compassion for them. So it is said that emptiness and compassion is inseparable. Aspirants of Mahayana give rise to the thought of bodhicitta and vow to attain Buddhahood for the sake of all suffering sentient beings. Not only do we want to wake ourselves up, we want to wake everyone up. The attainment of Buddhahood is the highest attainment and result of Mahayana/Bodhisattva practice, but it is true that even Buddhahood is illusory and thus not something to be clung to. The only truth here is that of emptiness. As for rebirth, yes I believe in literal rebirth. Apart from Buddha who remember countless past lives, lots of practitioners I personally know have clear vivid memory of their past lives. Furthermore there are research done by scientists like dr ian stevensons which back rebirth, and such research into children's past lives (they are able to prove the child's memories are right) are fascinating and even published in well known scientific and medical journals. Anyway remembering past lives through meditation is not rare.

Hi natural, Yes. I love you ~ Bro. You have done your family proud. Now I am going to sleep and dream about success ~ the natural way. Good night. - Anand

Thanks Randomer. Wow that sounds like a miserable experience. At one point (I need to resume this. My health issues with heart put everything else off) I was taking liposomal vitamin C (I was taking Aurora brand, which is bottled and has the best price) and liposomal silymarin (sold as Life Extension's 'european milk thistle, advanced phospholipid formula). (Sorry if this is over-detailed but I have been forced to be a health freak for the last several years!) I believe these are the bomb for healing -- with some TMG for most people especially most caucasians. It's a given that I always mean "in the context of a full spectrum of necessary lipids, aminos, and enzymes" of course. Back when I was taking emulsified lecithin+ascorbic (some people call this homemade liposomal C but it's really more micro-emulsified than liposomal -- it is SOME liposomal -- but what % are the liposomes are <200nm as needed who knows) I had a great dream where Tek -- that is what I call my body-intelligence as a guide -- told me that I needed to keep taking the "liver food and repair juice" and that I needed to take it in smaller doses but many more doses through the day. A later dream, he also called it the 'liver food and repair juice' and then I understood at the time the sunflower lecithin was the liver food and the ascorbic was the repair juice. Later, when I'd stopped taking that and then restarted some high-dose large chewable ascorbic tablets, another dream had Tek tell me that he liked the liquid C better than the pills. I need to re-take up the (real) liposomal C and the (even better version) milk thistle (silymarin is the primary active component in milk thistle) in small regular doses... In my skimming research for quite a few years now, nearly everything that helps the liver actually helps all the organs -- particularly the kidneys, gallbladder, pancrease, spleen. I bet the liposomal C and liposomal silymarin combo would be really good for your kidneys and everything else over there. (Lots of published research on silymarin.) It should not be THAT easy to hurt your kidneys -- even if the one supplement pill you took wasn't good -- frankly even if it were arsenic I'd expect anybody to be over it much sooner than you got over that. So clearly something is wrong that isn't getting 'healed' even if you're compensating via energy handling for whatever condition it's in. Lucky you have a good teacher to help with that stuff. RC