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O.K. So I first sent Professor Borzacchini a math equation based on a dream I had from music theory - I mailed a scribbled note to Italy. He replied back that my math was good but I had no historical proof such a music theory equation had been used by Archytas. Indeed. He calls this the "secret of the sect" in his paper I linked - it was not published till 2007. I wrote him in 2001 after I found his discussion on a math forum. http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?forumID=149&threadID=382241&messageID=1177287#1177287 Here is it: and so on that forum in 1999 - we get tidbits from his later 2007 paper I linked above. ( O.K. I added the emphasis. Math Professor Luigi Borzacchini says this wrong music theory at the origin of Western logic is "a deep, pre-established disharmony" that secretly "guides the evolutive principle" of science. A philosophy professor Oliver L. Reiser called it the "music logarithmic spiral" from Esther Watson's research - she corresponded with Einstein about music theory. haha. I discovered their Actual Matrix Plan soon after I finished my master's thesis and so it completely corroborated my own research. https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_matrix43.htm O.K. so ... but then I still had an error in my master's thesis since I did not understand the noncommutative phase logic yet. So it was not until I discovered Alain Connes that my insight in high school was corroborated. Even Nobel physicist Brian Josephson does not understand this! haha. He asked me to tell him what I thought of his music compositions and the first response he gave me when I contacted him was that he doesn't understand music theory well enough to comment on my research. Then the last response he gave me - years later - was that I don't understand music theory!! haha. Too funny. But Josephson does practice qigong - so I hope that is going well for him.

Demons, gods, possession ---> it's all a product of FEAR and a terrible feeling of guilt. Religions are created by man and often promote these emotions and talk about this fantastic beings. It's all a mental projection of those who believe in them. You believe in gods ---> you'll see gods. You believe in one God ---> you will see one God. You believe in demons ---> your Mind will create demons. Buddhism is not alien to this but something I really like about this religion is this: He admonished his disciples to 'be a refuge to themselves', and never to seek refuge in or help from anybody else. ^5 There is no need to follow a particular religion. Find the best method suited to you and your personal circumstances and practice in earnest. This is called "practice." By the way never forget the First Truth of Existence: Mind Creates Reality. Everything you feel, see, think, perceive, sense, touch, dream, etc. is a manifestation of your own Mind. Fear nothing for if you fear something is because of your own 'ignorance,' your lack of understanding that the Mind is multidimensional and certainly the most complex mechanism of Reality. Work hard on understanding your own Mind. Understanding and grasping your own Mind will lead you to understanding the Whole for you are a tiny fraction of the Whole while holding within the entire Whole. This is the key to this personal incarnation of yours and future ones. Demons are as real you want them to be.

The I-ching as the currently extant text, and the concept of hexagrams, are not mentioned by the either of the sages and was not probably even significant or known at all to them,. However, both of them touched on the topic of divination. For Lao-zi, divination is far inferior to the intuitive knowledge of the sage-king; while ZZ ridicules it thusly: Zhongni said, 'The spirit-like tortoise could show itself in a dream to the ruler Yuan, and yet it could not avoid the net of Yu Qie. Its wisdom could respond on seventy-two perforations without failing in a single divination, and yet it could not avoid the agony of having its bowels all scooped out. We see from this that wisdom is not without its perils, and spirit-like intelligence does not reach to everything. A man may have the greatest wisdom, but there are a myriad men scheming against him. Fishes do not fear the net, though they fear the pelican. Put away your small wisdom, and your great wisdom will be bright; discard your skilfulness, and you will become naturally skilful. A child when it is born needs no great master, and yet it becomes able to speak, living (as it does) among those who are able to speak.' https://ctext.org/zhuangzi/ens?searchu=divine

Hi - I had an experience that started in a dream where i met my 'spirit guide' - I've never been aware of one before but that was who this character was in the dream. He took me to a place and said 'this is where old souls sometimes come when its time to die'. He then showed me forwards to go on alone. It was like stepping through a portal or something out of the dream world where lots of things switched all at once - I came out of my dream body and felt like I was just a tiny point, the whole surroundings shook and vibrated like the whole world was shaking apart, all kinds of moving shifting light appeared around me, beautiful sounds were all around me - all shifting and changing constantly in tones and all so loud, also I felt like i was rushing upwards, and also a feeling of very strong love. It also felt like i was moving towards the source of the love and as I did so everything got stronger (light, sounds, feelings etc). And the source of it felt like an aware being (god?) in the way you can sometimes feel when someone has their attention on you, but it was a purely loving attention. It quickly got so strong that i heard myself say 'i can't take this any more' and I popped out of the whole experience and was sitting upright in my bed (which has never happened before either.) This happened about 10 years ago - 10-15 years after I started meditating and doing chi gong etc. Since then I often think back to it during practice or just in general. I also get weaker versions of the sensations coming back sometimes in practice, but nothing near as focused or intense. Also its only really the feelings, not the lights or sounds. And yes its also awesome and fulfilling and definitely helps spur me on in practice.

Thanks for sharing. This resonates. All my life, I've been walking in and out of various dreamscapes... some of them while sleeping, most of them in what we call 'waking life'. And through all of it, this unshakable sensation, this anticipatory knowingness that one moment, I will awaken within this waking dream, the same way that I become lucid in the dream state, each night. The Tibetans talk in some detail about this concept. what is it to waken from a dream into another dream? what proof exists, beyond any doubt I wonder, that reality is not but a shared dream? I can't shake the sense of it. The sense of it is the flavor of the very air I breathe. i wander dreams within dreams and wake within dreams what is this.. to waken in sleep akin to the dream I've lived so long in waking within this wandering of dreams I weave a wakening walking way the mirrors are full of masks am i the reflection, or the butterfly? can one dream themselves awake I wonder?

"Give us a moment. . . . For what would seem to you to be eons, according to your time scale, men were in the dreaming state far more than they were in the waking one. They slept long hours, as did the animals—awakening, so to speak, to exercise their bodies, obtain sustenance, and, later, to mate. It was indeed a dreamlike w;orld, but a highly charming and vital one, in which dreaming imaginations played rambunctiously with all the probabilities entailed in this new venture: imagining the various forms of language and communication possible, spinning great dream tales of future civilizations replete with their own built-in histories—building, because they were now allied with time, mental edifices that automatically created pasts as well as futures. These ancient dreams were shared to some extent by each consciousness that was embarked upon the earthly venture, so that creatures and environment together formed great environmental realities. Valleys and mountains, and their inhabitants, together dreamed themselves into being and coexistence." Source: Seth - Dreams, Evolution & Value Fulfillment On the other hand: "According to Aboriginal belief, all life as it is today - Human, Animal, Bird and Fish is part of one vast unchanging network of relationships which can be traced to the great spirit ancestors of the Dreamtime. Dreaming world was the old time of the Ancestor Beings. They emerged from the earth at the time of the creation. Time began in the world the moment these supernatural beings were "born out of their own Eternity". The Earth was a flat surface, in darkness. A dead, silent world. Unknown forms of life were asleep, below the surface of the land. Then the supernatural Ancestor Beings broke through the crust of the earth form below , with tumultuous force. The sun rose out of the ground. The land received light for the first time. The supernatural Beings, or Totemic Ancestors, resembled creatures or plants, and were half human. They moved across the barren surface of the world. They travelled hunted and fought, and changed the form of the land. In their journeys, they created the landscape, the mountains, the rivers, the trees, waterholes, plains and sandhills. They made the people themselves, who are descendants of the Dreamtime ancestors. They made the Ant, Grasshopper, Emu, Eagle, Crow, Parrot, Wallaby, Kangaroo, Lizard, Snake, and all food plants. They made the natural elements : Water, Air, Fire. They made all the celestial bodies : the Sun, the Moon and the Stars. Then, wearied from all their activity, the mythical creatures sank back into the earth and returned to their state of sleep. Sometimes their spirits turned into rocks or trees or a part of the landscape. These became sacred places, to be seen only by initiated men. These sites had special qualities." http://www.aboriginalart.com.au/culture/dreamtime2.html Spot on. This wonderful creation tale is right up my alley. No Abrahamic or Hindu gods of any kind in sight which only cause FEAR in humans. Both Seth and ancient traditions like the Australian Aboriginal share identical views. We are also very familiar about those supercharged sites where energy and meditative work is greatly enhanced. Note: you can read the Seth book here.

I think an important clarification is due. Taking responsibility for everything we experience has nothing to do with self-blame and guilt. What it means is simply to understand that the energies we carry around and radiate tend to attract certain things to us. Those energies are often the result of deep rooted beliefs and emotional traumas. Change at those levels is not always an easy matter. We may have plenty of issues that we are hardly even aware of. Although our external experience may provide us with clues - if we manage to avoid the blame and self-blame game. Valuable insight can only be gained from a more detached vantage point here. A useful analogy may be dream interpretation. There is a general understanding that what we experience in our dreams reflects the thoughts and emotions that live inside us, and may indeed help us understand what is happening on various levels of our psyche. Now the philosophy of personal responsibility implies that even the external reality of our waking hours is not as disconnected from us as it seems. Internal and external reality are closely interlinked. The observer is not truly separated from the observed. It has been suggested in this thread to practically explore this topic, starting with rather innocuous examples and working from there. That seems like a wise approach, generally speaking. Over time, a more comprehensive understanding may develop. I have heard that the Buddha had full comprehension of this, and I assume that this is true for other Avatars as well. Again, I would like to emphasize that this topic is not exclusively a Buddhist or Dzogchen teaching, and would be relevant only to the practitioners of the latter. Although Dzogchen's particular approach sounds interesting and I am curious to learn more about it. The psychotherapist I used to collaborate with back in the 90's was employing the model of an 'external stage' paralleling an 'internal stage'. This was at the very core of the method of psychodrama that he had developed. He often said: "As inside, so outside". And he had a way of applying this concept quite playfully (!) even to situations of grave suffering, in ways that his clients did not find flippant or respectless, but sensible and helpful. Again, I appreciate that this valuable topic has been brought up eventually. In fact, I once thought of starting a thread on this theme myself, but could not find an anchor that seemed suitable for TDB at the time. Little was I aware of the role it plays in Tibetan Buddhism until now.

We can see our own past lives when a certain degree of freedom from conditioning happens. It is strange when it happens, because it's like watching something in a dream. Our problem is that we think we've become "smarter" because we use more technology. Nothing could be farther from the truth. We are grotesquely out of balance. We're like body builders who only do left bicep curls and nothing else. Our rational minds are like that left bicep. Disproportionally oversized and overwhelming all other aspects of our being

Let's face it, 'proof' is not a strong point when it comes to the afterlife. Though reincarnation does have some. Yet even there the mechanisms and proofs are a bit sketchy. Plus it leaves open the does it really matter, because if we don't remember our lives and not given a piece of paper what we should do better, then maybe it doesn't matter. Probably this world should be most important focus. Or should it? If we had a fundamentalist twist we could well conclude the afterlife is more important and infinitely longer then our moments on Earth. In the past I thought dreamwork might provide the best avenue towards understanding death or perhaps solidifying the identity in midst of the forces of unconsciousness. Never had much luck in it. Though an afterlife lived out as a lucid dream might be very pleasant. That was a focus in the Movie What Dream Might Come.

I've started a Path of the Light practices thread in Group Studies and I'll pick this up there more fully (eventually), as what I know about the subject is probably heresy as far as the Tibetans are concerned. I learned the practice after buying a Nova Dreamer (and a study course back in the 1990s), which jump-started me with it. If you want a quick-start technology-free guide this website http://obe4u.com/how-to-lucid-dream/ is probably the easiest way to get yourself lucid really fast. There's also a fairly useful practice that can be done on awakening that's going to be the main focus of what I'll be discussing in the Group Studies thread. If you do struggle going lucid and you want a bit of help, I'm very happy to discuss it more specifically by PM before I pick it up in the Group Studies thread. Good luck and enjoy! ☮️

I just learned about Tibetan Dream Yoga. If you have more sources then please share them. I am a sponge for anything lucid dream, dream and sleep yoga related.

Teacher said that levitation was a waste of energy and useless because it was so slow, that astral projection was almost instant and required much less energy, but that to do astral projection you had to have no negative thoughts or comments for about seven years ... so each day I tell myself: "dang, seven more years to go". In fact, now that I think of it I would say that the method for levitation is quite similar to that of astral projection. The going faster horizontally rather than vertically is simply my own experience in my dream lessons, but here in the realm of matter it does take more energy to go against the gravity gradient (upwards) while it takes no energy to go with the gravity gradient (downwards), or ignoring the gravity gradient (sideways). Anyway, flying (lucid) dreams are about as much fun as you can have in private in the night time. In the immaterial spirit realm it shouldn't require much energy to move along like a dragon. Interestingly, while most dreams are forgotten, the lucid dreams about flying and some other psychic knowings stay sharp in der memory for a long time.

Thanks for sharing Alchemical Walrus! Your words resonate deeply here and touch on key aspects of taoist cosmology in my experience. As it applies to daily life. I no longer perceive life and death as separate, they are one constant mingling fluid dance that resonates bliss, fulfillment, clarity and love in all phases. My awareness is drawn lately, daily... on my walks, when running errands, to the decay that supports all life... I find attention drawn to and lingers far longer with the brown decaying grasses, with the withering leaves and the fallen decaying aspects of nature... not the green, lush and full ones. I am appreciating and experiencing on a deep level, the process of decay that nourishes all life. And it is so full of love! Beyond words, but I'll try once again, because the experience of decay is so full of bliss, clarity... and contentment. Release and freedom. Decay is happening now, in my gut (and all through my form, but particularly the decay in the gut), and this decay is what nourishes my physical life, nurturing the foundation of this form and the experience of vitality. Decay is the soil of the growth of life. Life feeds on decay and decay nourishes all life. The soil of our entire planet, is literally the bodies of all that ever lived... be they plant, animal, reptile, or insect. Life is acquisitional, seeking and consumptive. Decay is nourishing, releasing and nurturing. These are two aspects of one process. As a toddler, I had an experience that was to set a foundation in my life. A massive blessing, in the form of a nightmare so terrifying, it prompted my awareness to eject from my body for a short time as I tried to escape the horror. Once out of the dream, all horror instantly vanished, forgotten as I was in shock, marveling at the sudden shift. I found myself looking down from the ceiling of a small room, at a little boy lying under covers in bed. After a few lingering moments, the thought... "is that me?" and then, I was back, looking out of my body at the spot on the ceiling I had just been looking down on my 'self' from, moments before. This experience, rendered me immune to the fear of body death before even having a concept of death, or of a self as a body that could die. When I later encountered death, it was not a matter of thought... it was an experiential recall that awareness is not limited, nor generated by form. Decay. Far from being feared I now relish and celebrate her nourishing love. Not from a desire to obliterate my form, or any other. But from a deeply experienced appreciation of the shear nurturing, nourishing love emanating from the side of the life process that asks nothing, requires nothing and gives everything.

There are enlightened individuals such as Buddha and his followers , Jesus and his disciples, who demonstrate that a life lived in peace is also a life lived in prosperity, respectful to the others and the environment. (I mean Buddha himself spawned Shaolin Kung Fu and Chi Kung, and Jesus performed regular healing miracles...human potential is amazing). I feel a big problem nowadays is that we all emphasise prosperity at the expense of peace. Maybe we have it backwards?? Wars can come and go, but it is the war within a human being that can rage for a whole lifetime and be unresolved, that causes the most damage. When human being is unhappy within, he will be willing to exploit and cheat another human. Conversely, if we all sought what Buddha and Jesus found, even just a fraction, imagine what our combined efforts could create at healing and improving the planet. One can dream.

And all the while there is not a shred of evidence that the physical world is just an illusory dream rising out of consciousness, awareness or whatever one want to call it. It's just one of those feel good philosophies that have no recognizable connection to reality as actually lived. But there are even more possibilities. Pick and choose: 1. Our current life is just a (bad?) dream, and soon we will wake up as a pretty prince or princess and all will be well. 2. We are part of a cyberworld and everything will turn out fine because the programmer is a nice guy. 3. There is a heaven and nobody will go to hell. And as there is hardly any limit to the human imagination there will doubtlessly be a lot more. All of them logical possibilities and impossible to disprove. When all you want is a philosophy that makes you feel good, I guess you can start and end right here. No need to test the predictions of your philosophy against reality, as the philosophy nicely avoids making any predictions that can be tested. Pseudoscience at its best! But then again, when all you want is a nice irrefutable feel good philosophy it's perfect.

As a guy who's KO'd himself enough in decades of amateur motorcycle racing, awareness doesn't cease when KO'd, just conscious mind pauses for a bit and with good fortune resets. In heavy trauma (broken neck/spine KO's which I don't need to manifest occurring again with good fortune), sometimes memories of awareness during the crash event doesn't happen for a few days, but awareness diligently remained through it all. When sleeping, awareness remains perfect, conscious mind rests while awareness and subconscious mind plays or meditates in the internal dream state. I would never ask or expect anyone to believe anything Ive stated on the nature of awareness in natural sleep and/or KO'd states, as if I had not experienced it myself I would not believe it was possible either. I've only experienced perfect awareness during sleep for a 4 day period following a breakthrough plant teacher assisted 15hr meditation session on a long international flight. After the 4th day of being aware of everything through the whole night of sleep, I chose to let awareness in sleep return to being appreciated by subconscious mind alone, as it's optimized for perceiving sleep state awareness. Unlimited Love, -Bud

Useless discussion. The important role of matter (and our body) in our everyday life is clear to see for anybody taking the trouble to reflect on how life is actually lived. We don't just dream up another reality when some aspect of our supposed dreamlike world needs to be changed. If such were the case there would indeed be reason to question the reality of matter, but there isn't. The supposedly awakened ones have to eat, drink, sleep, etc. like anyone else. They use the door to enter and leave the room. They don't ignore the supposed dreamlike Laws of Nature. Science is here put away as just another belief when the results are not appreciated, but then again computers are used al the same. And when some scientific result (such as entanglement) does happens to fit into the dogmatic picture it is suddenly accepted as a scientific fact as if science wasn't just another belief after all. But let's stop. This will lead nowhere as arguments don't count for those willing to believe.

What does anyone know about anything without awareness? By Awareness, I mean "that which makes knowing possible". It takes awareness to conceptualize this too. The universe is just a dream. Is our suffering controlled by the physics of the material universe? We suffer because we resist change. We stop suffering when we realize there is nothing to resist. Liberation is freedom from suffering. In a round about way, you are reinforcing the gist of the OP. There is no need for liberation, because no one was bound in the first place. The bondage is a misidentification.

Sure! We can all be a butcher, painter, writer, anything we want (or not want) to be by just letting go. No need to train, or study, or acquire any skills. That's why we see lots of beautiful examples on this forum of people actually living a Taoist life. Let it all come naturally. Dream on brother, you can fly... (The above is to be considered ironic.)

@Taiji Bum I've practiced what Tibetan Buddhists label Dream Yoga but from different sources. Are you only specifically interested in this practice if the source is Tibetan? ☮️

Dude no need to pull the "real druggie" scam on people. You refer to Level 5. Care to share what you mean for those who are not "initiated"?? haha. Oh - don't worry! I'll do it for you! http://sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html Ya Mon - apparently when you read my overview you concluded I had not "reached Level 5" yet. haha. When I first experimented with Salvia - again I did so after my "enlightenment experience" in qigong and I tested the salvia while in full lotus. First I chewed the leaves - it was like strong pot - external time slowed down - lots of kundalini bliss. So a friend of mine has done tons of strong stuff and he smoked saliva and he said immediately his spirit flew out of his body and into the floor and he would never take another hit again! He only took ONE hit. So I then smoked the salvia - and I had a very strong experience - again in full lotus. I told my friend about it - and he goes - you need a stronger dose. So I got a stronger dose - and I made sure to take deep strong inhales and hold it. Again I was in full lotus. What happened? Level 6 - I blacked out while in full lotus. Now - I blacked out a few times - since I was desperately trying to make the experience stronger. So I will tell you what I experienced. The first time when I smoked it - sure enough my spirit started to leave my body - again I was in full lotus - but since my third eye qi was STRONG than the electrochemical drug - guess what happened? My spirit was stuck half way out of my body!! It was a very funny experience and so I literally laughed at the salvia. O.k. but like I said - I kept trying - so I took deeper strong breathes and when I blacked out the first time - I woke up - still in full lotus - but I had not remembered how long I had been blacked out! So then I said - O.K. I will record the time just before I take a strong hit and then just after - and I had not been blacked out that long - the next time it happened. So then I tried a third time - and something amazing happened. Now when I was in full lotus - I also had a winter hat on over my eyes and no lights in the room and I kept my eyes closed and I blacked out - but this time I woke up NOT CONFUSED and immediately I held my hands in front of my eyes - but again with my eyes closed, a winter hat over them in a pitch black room - and I could see rainbow auras around my hands! haha. So it definitely worked to open the third eye - even if just momentarily. Then I had a very amazing vivid dream about this art work that I had not thought about since my early childhood. In fact I had never THOUGHT about it but I had looked at it a lot - it was a Mola artwork. I had to look it up after the DREAM because this art work is actually very psychedelic - only I had never thought that as a kid. But my dream was very psychedelic because so was the art work. So I looked up what it was - I had to ask my mom about it and she said that her dad had given it to her - and the art work was called Mola. So I looked up Mola and its from a Panamanian tribe who smoke Pot religiously! And it turns out the activate ingredient in Salvia is the same psychotropic ingredient in cannabis. http://www.molaartandcraft.com/home Anyway - so that is one "aspect' of the Level 5 stuff you refer to. but that is not even my ayahausca experience which was just as intense. Maybe I didn't clarify - not only did I sit in full lotus for 4 hours nonstop but I could not MOVE at the time. For example I actually wanted it to stop so bad that I thought maybe if I jack off that will stop it. Since I am celibate - i thought maybe I will do that radical action to stop the vision. But that was just a thought that got sucked into the astral holographic visionary state - before I could actually MOVE my arm to enact the thought. haha. Another time I thought - I'll put my glasses on - maybe that will stop it. But again having a thought is different than actually activating the motor cortex based on the thought. The visionary state is just the thalamus brain - and so cuts off the motor cortex before it can be enacted. Nope - I had to ride it out and so I just stayed in full lotus for 4 hours. Also the kundalini was so strong when the Ayahuasca kicked it - I called it "being fucked by God" - because it felt like my tailbone get peeled back in bliss and when it shot into my brain - it literally sounded like a gun shot and then the astral realm just kicked in as holographic reality.

Here is a link to the FB Live teachings categorized by subject: http://www.ligminchalearning.com/twr-live-video-archive There are also many videos here: https://www.oceanofwisdom.org/ Unfortunately the Ocean of Wisdom archive is not yet searchable or categorized but that is in progress... stayed tuned. You simply need to scroll through the videos for now. A 4 week online dream yoga workshop begins in May - it's more costly than the book but worth every penny if you are serious about the practice. It is the next best thing to live teachings. I can't recommend it highly enough: https://www.glidewing.com/twr/dreamyoga_home.html. Finally, he is teaching a short retreat on dream and sleep yogas in Colorado in June: https://www.shambhalamountain.org/program/tibetan-dream-yoga-2018/

A strong dose of ayahuasca or formosahuasca will enable 4 hours of nonstop full lotus meditation with a loud OM sound from the heart as the jing converts to shen via the 2nd chakra opening up - Salvia in full lotus also activates the kundalini But these are just tools to help activate the serotonin kundalini energy - whereas qi energy is more powerful than an electrochemical means. But diet is key to the qi training - you want to build up serotonin and potassium - so salt will shut down your energy channels. Sugar creates free radicals against the qi - and cortisol. Coffee increases cortisol. Alcohol activates the sympathetic nervous system. So pretty much modern civilization food goes against advanced training - food is a drug as much as just energy. advanced meditation is based on fasting. So - the San Bushmen did use some kind of psychedelic as a tool to help activate the N/om energy - but it was considered not the real thing. But then again they also did not have sugar nor salt - you can get sodium from vegetables and - I mean they ate honey some times and fruit. But over all - food itself is a kind of drug - so ideally the diet is limited. But if you do try a psychedelic visionary plant-root combo as used in the Amazon rainforest - this is a very strong medicine. It definitely takes you into a beyond death astral realm - but it is the qi energy that enables this realm to not just succumb to subconscious visions. If you just rely on electrochemical means to access the spirit light - then your qi is not strong enough and so your thalamus subconscious becomes too real. The qi energy means you can consciously control your thalamus limbic brain and so over-ride the subconscious downloading of the images. So you will have visions but you will also be able to analyze them in real time as subconscious visions - without thinking they are real. Similarly we need to be able to control our dreams and analyze them - and so eating too much salt will keep a person awake or alcohol will destroy the dreams or have like salt - too much awake - depending on what part of the sleep cycle. So caffeine is the most common psychotropic drug - and so it decreases blood flow to the brain by blocking the dopamine receptors. Alcohol blocks the GABA receptors. So caffeine is not as bad from green tea - since it does not activate the cortisol as much as coffee does. But still for meditation you want to increase the serotonin - and so if you have caffeine it keeps the neurotransmitters stuck in the dopamine. Of course if you do strong standing active exercise - you can more easily burn through these imbalances. Like the Kervan transformations - deep oxygen plus electromagnetic increase transforms sodium into potassium. Meditation is then using your ego - as a kind of controlled visionary quest - whereas a strong psychedelic will drop the blood flow to the brain and instead causes a deeper biophoton subconscious activation - just as a mantra will shut down the prefrontal cortex so these deeper connections can become dominant - but with a strong visionary plant-bark - you can not choose to stop the mantra - it has to wear off. The plant-bark drug is in control of your mind and you have to wait. So meditation is rather seeking out no thing being in control - instead of switching your ego for a plant-bark drug - you tune your ego to switch to nothing being in control - or resonance with the source of reality itself. This is why Master Nan, Huai-chin says for successful meditation you have to use a very strong ego - you have to be very selfish in order to have the focus to build up the energy to go beyond the Self as the ego. Or Ramana Maharshi says you have to use your mind to kill the mind - so to speak. It is a paradox since our ego disappears every night in deep dreamless sleep yet we can infer something must remain if we are aware in reality - we are not just biological machines? So taking drugs is just switching over to a different kind of biological machine - it can take you into spiritual realms of visions but visions are not the ultimate reality - the mind can not be seen. But we can logically infer its existence, as we do from after deep dreamless sleep. We wake up going - oh I had a blissful sleep and I really needed that. So we were not aware of the bliss when it happened but only after the fact. And so in deep meditation - as Ramana Maharshi says - the mind gets so strong as spirit light that you can not feel your body, nor does even the physical universe exist anymore - and so also your sense of ego disappears into the light. And so just as in deep dreamless sleep - then you wake up realizing that the real you is neither your mind nor your body, nor your physical surroundings. So no drug can do that because even if you are tripping out and everything is light - your mind is still gonna wonder - from where does the light come from? And the real question is who is thinking that? And so you can only logically infer the answer or listen to the source of the light, in silence, thereby resonating with the source of the light. So you could even have visions of the future that come true - which begs the question - which was more real? YOur vision of the future or when it happened in the present (the 2nd time). We might realize from strong drugs that our whole life has been a dream that ended in a flash of light, just as a dream does while asleep - but that still does not mean there is something that remains that we can not see.

There is something much more interesting about time that is more mind blowing, but it's only mind blowing if you or someone you know has premonitions. I mean real premonitions, where you know that something is going to happen ahead of time and then it does happen according to detail. I'm not talking about someone who arrives at a possible future scenario through reasoning, it's like you see or feel that something specific is going to happen and then later it does. If time was linear then this would not be possible. I won't share my own experiences but one I heard. A kung fu brother of mine was in a small group who were students of some woman master of some (I think) Buddhist sect. and they were traveling around the country and camping out. One night she suddenly told everyone to move their tents from where they were with great urgency and they did. A couple of minutes later a car went off the mountain highway highway above them and crashed into the spot where the tents had been. < thread drift > She also did another thing that was interesting. At one point when they were all sitting together in a group she told my buddy "You really want to hit me with that stick, don't you?". After the first denial she told him to go get that stick and hit her with it, so he did. He got the stick and approached here and as he got closer he found it more and more difficult to advance, like in a dream where you are trying to run but you can only manage it in slow motion. He got a few feet closer to her and had to resort to crawling on all fours to try to advance, and then he simply was not able to go forward any more. Once this lady's teacher came to visit and my buddy was sitting in a tent with him and he asked him if was hungry, when he got a yes answer he just made an simple opening motion with his hands and a nice hot meal appeared in front of them, a real food meal. This is one way to tell if you have found a real teacher and not a charlatan, except the thing is they don't show you this stuff until you already are a dedicated student. < thread drift />

I too recommend Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche's book The Tibetan Yogas of Dream and Sleep. Been referring back to it for years. It's a real gem.