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Hey.....I was thinking about make a topic about this...since a lot of us have certain special powers..why don't we win the lottery? You don't need I Ching. I Ching is for people not in tune with their own mind essence. The question is that why can't you see or predict when you would win the lottery? I have plenty of dreams about numbers... Trust me, I play the lottery but the most I have ever won was only 2 numbers...LOL... I just spent $4 today because I was in the check cashing place. For someone like myself who frequently would have precognitive dream messages, why don't I receive messages about me winning the lottery???? I dream about counting money (I was a big time store manager for 5 years managing a large retain chain) and I counted a lot of money every night closing. Receiving money and checks. Even in one dream I was guaranteed an inheritance from some deceased old lady (not that I was related to her). Never once I dream about me winning the lottery in a very strong dream message kind of way.... Perhaps, Karma plays a role here??? When comes to wealth, the law Karma works differently???

That's a nice dream that I think a lot of us have had at one time or another. When I got started I mentioned this to my teacher Dave, who really was one of the more deadly kung fu guys in the world, and he could also hit really hard. He could have had a good chance to do just that. His answer was something along the lines of: "We don't even want those blockheads to know we exist" (name calling is all mine). Dave taught people like special forces, Navy Seals, etc, you know, the serious killers out there. A big part of that is we don't want them to know what we can do or what is possible. I myself was never interested in fighting or martial arts, but I happened to be in this 'family' and I saw the most amazing things so I became interested merely from a scientific point of view. Imagine if some master did wipe the floor at the UFC, then he would suddenly be very popular, which is against the ethics of our system. It also means that all kinds of block heads would come to class, not so much to learn, but to test the teacher themselves. Dave had enough of this already, without even being too popular. Big bad 'martial artists' would come from around the country to try to punch him, with similar results ever time (more details in my PPF). Then another student chimed in and added some more wisdom. If the MMA guy won then people would say he was bad for beating up an old man; if the master won people would say he was bad because the mean old master beat up some helpless widdle beginner, not that we give a damn what people think, it's just another view of the situation. It is absolutely a no win situation no matter how you look at it. A lot of our tactics involve neck breaking, well that would be damn near impossible on some of those fighters because their necks are so muscular. It wouldn't be hard to get behind them and drop them and break their back, but I have a suspicion that may be against the rules. Plus there may be some legal ramifications, possibly claiming self defense wouldn't work in a ring. It's also against the rules to smash peoples heads open against the floor. We are trained to end a fight in one second and it takes some incredible aerobic conditioning to spar for even a couple of minutes, that's another reason we can't play with those guys. Leaving the UFC giants behind and talking about regular people now ... That is the common conception of it, and I used to thank that way too. We see in tai chi for example, that even if the teacher knows the deadly stuff, and most don't, that it takes a decade or more to get there. In the other kung fu arts the traditional way is to lay a good foundation for a long time, to strengthen the student and teach them the basics, so it is slow compared to boxing, for example. However after learning from Dave and a couple of his top students, and teaching it a little, we find that it is really easy to take advantage of most attacks. For example even most or all beginners can learn to do an an elbow break in the first class, when someone gives you their arm in a punch. It's extremely simple, and so is a lot of the other stuff. The thing is we watch out for people who have fighting mind or violent or egotistical characters and won't show them much of anything till they leave, and they get persuaded to leave right away. It's not like in the hard style competition arts, like Karate, where the instructor tells the little kinds to not fight while teaching them to fight. The first thing we learn is to defuse the situation if possible by assuming a certain posture and attitude, we are trained to keep our distance (an essential part of how it works because it makes them reach) and back away so an attacker can't get to us, they would have to rush, which puts them at a huge disadvantage. After keeping our distance we run away. It's only if we have someone with us, like a child or woman who can't or won't run that we stand ground, and then there are lots of fake outs to get them to give themselves away and make it easy to put them down. Not fighting is trained into the system, and it's only used in serious life and death situations, not for sports in the ring. Some people, Jesse Glover for example, called it Non Classical Kung Fu, not approved of by the traditional masters. However I got it more from the original source so I don't call it that.

I believe the I Ching can be profitably consulted about matters of destiny. Careful study can reveal patterns of energy that are unfolding presently and will influence outcomes in the future. But can it give you correct LOTTO numbers? Probably not. If you`ve got the karma to win millions in the lottery you can likely do it without the I Ching; if you don`t, the oracle won`t help. That`s my opinion anyway. Meditating by oneself is hard. Building (or buying) a retreat center so that anybody with a good heart and come and practice in community is harder. Managing something like that is like getting married times ten. Everybody is supposed to be "spiritual" so you`d think they`re be no problems, but people are people and there are always problems. Of course if that`s your dream then do it. Maybe running such a center is exactly the challenge you need to bring the best of what you have to give out into the world. It wouldn`t be for me, and I`m guessing the I Ching knows that. I don`t have spiritual community by the sea karma and no understanding of the forces of the universe, no matter how sophisticated or accurate, is gonna change that.

I appreciate the timely responses, it means a lot to me right now As far as medications I was on risperidone and it caused the insomnia to worsen in my opinion, I was also still smoking cigarettes which the nurse practitioner advised against. I quit for a time and started again because the sleeplessness it cause was stressing me out. The main issue with the insomnia is staying asleep, as I continue to wake up 3-4 hours into sleep and the measures that you and others have recommended don't seem to be alleviating that. I've been trying walking, I don't know. I was thinking of trying to get on Ambien which it's funny you should mention not to take it. I've been waking up around 1-2 in the morning, often with a lot of sweat on my upper body and no recollection of the dream I had. It's really worrying to me that I'm not getting enough sleep, especially since sometimes certain delusions have reoccured and it throws me off because of their intensity, particularly one where i felt i was manifesting things around me a lot and I'm trying to abandon that belief. I'm not sure how long I can hold out on not getting some kind of medical sedative

So quantum biologist Dr. Mae-Wan Ho realized that there are over 70 frequencies of energy that are quantum coherence as consciousness in the body. Then she realized that hearing is quantum coherence as consciousness: Dr. Mae-Wan Ho And so indeed it has been proven that we hear at the "sub-angstrom wavelength" which means we detect sound at a smaller wavelength than light! Quantum Effects in the Dynamics of Biological Systems, 1983, Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, William Bialek (currently Princeton Professor) The ancients understood this as the secret of alchemy through music theory. The "three gunas" of India are from music theory, just as the yin-yang-Emptiness of the Tai Chi is from music theory. This is also known as Spanda as conscious energy The Mystery of Vibrationless-Vibration in Kashmir Shaivism: Vasugupta's Spanda Karika & Kshemaraja's Spanda Sandoha by Swami Lakshmanjoo When these three gunas are in equipoised, prakrti remains in a dormant state or quiescent state. Prakrti is the three gunas, having no gunas. O.K. so what this means is that the "fundamental pitch" is actually two different frequencies at the same time - but our ear is listening hears the same frequency. Listening is proven to be "faster than Fourier Uncertainty." Physics since Plato has defined time as a spatial measurement of irrational magnitude geometry. So this means frequency is measured with time as a "cycle" and so the cycle is measured as a certain wavelength - and converted to radians. So 2pi is a normal cycle but if it is a 3D sphere then it is 4 pi. But with quantum phonons - it is noncommutative phase which means that it is spin 1/2 so that the 2pi is in two different directions at the same time! This means at a supposed "zero point" in space there is a 5th dimension that is nonlocal protoconsciousness. The ancients knew this by saying that "one" is not a number and so the source of the I-thought as Vichara by internal meditation with the eyes closed - resonates sound to this quantum noncommutative phase as spin 1/2 nonlocal consciousness. So for example if you say the root tonic or fundamental pitch is 1 then if 2/3 is the subharmonic frequency as the Perfect Fifth pitch it is C to F as geometry while 3/2 as the overtone frequency is also a Perfect Fifth but C to G geometry. So that means that G=3=F at the same time. That is the ancient truth of harmonics as infinite frequency that got covered up by Plato, Archytas and Philolaus. So what Philolaus did was double the octave and use geometric magnitude to define sound, instead of defining sound as listening to time! So then if C to F is 2/3, this does not allow the Perfect Fifth to double inside the same octave. So instead the 2/3 as C to F is converted with the 8 as 2/3 of 12 now turned into a new root tonic. So the double octave enables 6/8 with the root tonic as 0 to 8 nodes of a 1 frequency or fundamental pitch of 1. So then this means that 8/6 is the geometric magnitude of the Perfect Fourth as 4/3 or C to F and then 12 to 8 is the frequency of 8/12 wavelength (but now as geometric magnitude) as the Perfect Fifth. So now you can have 12 to 8 as the Perfect Fifth plus 8 to 6 as the Perfect Fourth = the Octave. So you can multiply the octaves but then add them as geometric magnitude and also subtract by division and this is the first "logarithm" of mathematics. But you notice the "bait and switch" right? The root tonic not only got changed from 0 to 8 but got reversed to from 0 to 12 and then 12 to 6 for the octave as magnitude. So in actually the meaning of OM is the infinite noncommutative phase of the "three gunas of no guna" - and you can hear this OM as the subharmonic - called the Quantum Undertone - of the biophoton light - it is when the vagus nerve is strongly activated on the right side of the heart, as the "secret pinhole" as Ramana Maharshi called it - to formless awareness beyond the body-mind. So there is a nonlinear resonance of undertones and overtones that are harmonized as noncommutative phase that is nonlocal consciousness-energy. So CIA mind control scientist Dr. Andrija Puharich figured this out also - when he worked on implants. He realized that ultrasound activates the vagus nerve but then causes an ELF subharmonic as the magnetic moment of the proton and electron in hydrogen-based molecules. So the ELF subharmonic is literally a reverse time spin frequency - just as used in MRI machines. And so Puharich followed Julian Schwinger who postulated a "magnetic monopole" origin for this reverse time spin - and as I posted - this "magnetic anomaly" has been demonstrated with the Josephson Junction since it enables superconducting conversion of noncommutative phase into the Volt. But the amazing thing about phonon consciousness is that it is superconducting at room temperature!! Of course the ancients knew this as the secret of alchemy but scientists are only know realizing this. Because we have relied on light for measurements then relativity always requires a linear sense of time as consciousness but because listening with the eyes closed enables a nonlinear noncommutative phase synchronization then we can maintain the focus and literally create a spacetime transformation of consciousness. What the Chinese did us define the "fundamental pitch" of 1 as the Moon yin qi energy!! This means they tried to harmonize the Solar and LUnar calendar based on music harmonics so that 81 months were multiplied by 19 solar years - and you get the "Pythagorean Comma" - the difference between 2 and 3 as it divides and multiplies into octaves and Perfect Fifths. So for the Chinese, just as with the alchemical Pythagoreans - there was no need for the paradox of a wavelength longer than the root tonic pitch, as is found with the undertone harmonic if trying to keep it inside the octave. Rather each note is the inverse of time and frequency with infinity defined is listening to time as consciousness. In India this is called Kala as time into Kali as the Goddess of creation and destruction. Since the Chinese used pitch pipes - just like in West Asia - before the Lyre was used as a kind of monochord - then the sound is defined based on listening to infinite time with no need to define time as a physical wavelength. So by stating One is Not a Number or the source of the I-thought is Silence as formless awareness - this means that 2/3 and 3/2 are nonlocal awareness as the same "pitch" as consciousness but with two different frequencies and wavelengths - the quantum undertone frequency is therefore "blue-shifted" spacetime - so that when we see blue light in meditation - this is the psychic energy being accessed. Hence the "blue moon" secret of the pineal gland as the Yuan Qi emanating from out of the heart. It is water that controls life on Earth but when the Lunar calendar was covered up then time was defined as geometric magnitude with the Solar calendar - and so Patriarchy tried to "contain infinity" as a materialistic definition of time. So this is the new research to develop room temperature superconducting noncommutative phase qubit computing using sound phonon energy as information. It is only once we return back to our spiritual ego as light - that we then maintain a linear sense of time - and so we regard an experience as possibly "predicting the future" as precognition - and when it happens we realize we already say it happen "in the past" during or meditation or a dream. But in fact that is just the temporary light as the spiritual ego. This is why Ramana Maharshi emphasized that most gurus get caught up in the astral realms - instead of continuing the Nirvikalpa Samadhi as Vichara - internal listening to Silence - to finally transcend death. What happened with Ramana Maharshi is that his heart stopped and he was just in pure formless awareness and then he felt a strong electromagnetic pulsation - after 15 minutes of his heart not moving - suddenly on the right side of the heart he felt a strong electromagnetic pulsation which then created light on the left side of the heart, thereby reactivating his spiritual ego. But after that he had achieved eternal liberation so with each breath his Shakti went beyond death through the "secret pinhole" on the right side of the heart. So a person could be a qigong master with the third eye fully open and see lots of light but they still have not achieved "eternal liberation" by transcending death - through this "inner ear" method as Buddha called it. But again the yin qi is this same consciousness that coordinates our body's organs - and does so as nonlocal awareness as noncommutative phase phonon-consciousness. It is just that most people are completely unaware of its existence nor do they know how to increase the yin qi and store it up, etc.

Alchemy, both Occidental and Oriental (Chinese), revolves around the creation of the Philosopher's Stone. This, in simplest terms, is matter evolved to its highest possible state, in which it actually transcends its original physicality. It then becomes a carrier and agent of hyperdimensional or subtle forces, expressed on the level of physical existence. Now the Philosopher's Stone has certain analogies, in keeping with the Principle of Correspondence. One Alchemist of yore advised his followers: "Turn yourselves into living Philosopher's Stones!" Arguably that's the real aim of all Alchemy: The transformation of its practitioner. And that transformation goes beyond the psyche and includes the physical body that, imbued by spirit, now takes on various extraordinary traits and abilities. These can include levitation, teleportation, invisibility, instant self-healing, rejuvenation, longevity, immortality etc. In the West as well as in the East, there have always been both Alchemists that performed the Great Work in the external environment of their laboratory, and others that, while adopting the same terminology, used the latter to refer to the internal processes which they - primarily or exclusively - laid their focus on. While this is quite evident if we look at Chinese Alchemy with its division into Waidan and Neidan, it holds true for Western Alchemy as well. There is indeed also an Occidental tradition of spiritual or 'speculative' Alchemy. Contrary to an opinion popular with a certain type of contemporary Alchemy aficionado, the latter is NOT a pipe dream of 19th century occultists or even Jungian psychologists! Long before them, there were e.g. Zosimos of Panopolis (Hellenistic Egypt), Ibn Umail (Arabic Middle Ages), as well as Jakob Boehme, Michael Maier and Thomas Vaughn (European Renaissance), all of whom need to be regarded as representing the internal branch of the Royal Art. Nor is the opposite view sustainable that all Alchemists were just talking symbolically when they were describing physical substances and processes. In many cases, the Great Work was seen as something taking place in both the external and the internal world simultaneously, interlinked by what C.G. Jung calls synchronicity. It should also be understood that all Alchemists - ancient and modern - work within a cosmological framework that can be described as Hermetic in the Occident and as Daoist in the Orient. This provides the foundation for all alchemical labour, even where the latter isn't aiming at the Philosopher's Stone or universal medicine, but at 'particulars' or Spagyric remedies with a more limited scope of healing power on physical and psychological levels, but manufactured and working in analogous ways. Now the aforesaid essentially also applies to less known forms of Alchemy, e.g. to its Indian variation, but the foregoing should be sufficient to illustrate my view. So, to answer the OP's question, while 'energy work' plays a significant role in Alchemy, the reverse is not true: Not all 'energy work' is aptly called 'alchemical' - unless, of course, you broaden the original meaning of the term so much that you deprive it of essentially all its original meaning. Hope this helps.

I almost did this deliberately to provoke the response that you just gave I actually don't think of the butterfly dream of having the significance (or reincarnation) that this part does. I feel that is more to do with perception and understanding life as an illusion based on your mind's experience. This book keeps adding layers upon layers on my own mind. Time to fast

"Sympathy? Not for me. No mercy for a criminal freak in Las Vegas. This place is like the army: the shark ethic prevails-eat the wounded. In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity." ~Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (A Savage Journey into the Heart of the American Dream) (1971) by Hunter S. Thompson

Two very different interpretations of Meditation. I#d go with sykkelpump in interpreting Meditation as letting go of attachments. Why attach yourself to music? With shamanic trance of course things stand different. But thats Trance , not Meditation.Flight in Higher or Dream Dimensions as opposed to being awake and receptive in THIS World.

I suppose this started when I grew my hair out. I get these longings to be in the forest or away from society. It seems that it is the only place where my body feels restored. But it depends on where I go. I remember I drove 40 miles to a place and I could feel I restore ation of my body as if my muscles are relaxed and my mind began to clear. This happens in certain areas, the Wilderness or high-energy places interesting Lee at a few Indian reservations. Obviously I've come to learn then I am energy sensitive. When I cut my hair last year I felt as if everyone's thoughts were invading my mind, and I remember taking a drive down the road, I unbuckled my seatbelt and I was ready to jump out and fight the guy behind me. I'm practicing celibacy I have to remain calm and also guard my thoughts, not to send out thoughts of little indent or my grumpy thoughts, as I find a return. I stay with a relative and when I cut my hair, basically whenever I was around this relative I would get very sharp pains in the tooth and head region. Well this was around the time I was picking up vibrations to the phone. I know, y'all think I'm crazy. The funny thing is I was talking to my sister around that time and she's a very spiritual person. I remember feeling a great warmth and light coming from above when talking to her. And I also remember being able to feel people's anger through the phone. Maybe someone could shed some light on to what that was? When I was with this relative I remember we came home and after everybody left I felt an extreme sharp pain in my head and mouth area. It was crazy. I went on to sort of " confront" the relative on what it was but they denied anything. I thought celibacy and quitting drinking, sugar, and spending less time on the internet would have made me a stronger person. Now I pick up on everything lol. Sometimes when this relative visits I know they're home before I even get home. As I drive into my neighborhood I tend to pick up these vibrations. They're sort of like and annoyed anger vibration. I wonder if it has something to do with where you sleep, because I think we're one sleeps they establish sort of their root of their vibrations. Anywho, when this relative came to visit I picked up on all these hostile vibes. And I really didn't want to be home in fact I would have much rather sleep than my car out on the outskirts of town are near a forest but hey it's where I live. A little bit of background, the relative I speak of is on medications including antidepressants. Well it has come to my attention that these type of medications induce a condition which is known as "akathesia induced impulsivity" This condition is basically the feeling you want to explode. This feeling of wanting to explode, is completely overrated by the medication, so your body has this insane feeling but it is completely ignored. This condition was a term coined by Kelly Brogan if you're interested in reading more about it. My point is, I feel that I was picking up on these vibrations big time, with my relative who takes these medications,. Any opinions are appreciated and thank you for reading. Someone mention the word SEER, I do not consider myself a seer just somebody who basically can pick up the vibrations of a general area. Depending on how I'm doing my moods energy levels diet Etc. Once in a blue moon I'll get a dream that sends me a message but other than that I'm pretty average.

You stated in the quote... Is it not an assumption that the seeing, the reflections seen in the mind space, and the mind space itself are all of a different nature/reality? i am not stating that they are all different, I am stating the opposite, that they are the same. But, that too is an assumption. If you changed the original quoted statement to... If the seer [drik, the ego] and the perceived to be seen by the seer [not necessarily the actual world] were different in their reality [sat], the act of seeing would never possible. Then I would be in agreement. The issue for me is the big assumption with the “reflection in mind” necessarily being the actual reality, when it could simply be a mind stuff dream. As with my problem with Dwai’s three types of knowing, they are not necessarily really knowing. Really just some perception of (local) awareness.

The logic is circular because the quote (and concept) was assuming that everthing is inside of the same Awareness. It stated that... If the seer [drik, the ego] and the seen [drisya, the world] were different in their reality [sat], the act of seeing would never possible. The actual object being “seen” does not necessarily need to really be in the same reality, as it is to the seer there is really only a reflection in the seer’s mind. A seer could simply be existing in a world of sonar pulses and not really be perceiving the “true” underlying reality of the objects that are supposedly being seen. Similarly, a tree can fall and there can be a sound, even if there is no “seer” to be aware of/perceive/hear the sound. Just as you stated with the dream example, a seer can make up his/her own world in their mind, no need (or proof) that it is really the world itself. Seeing is a product of the seer, not necessarily the underlying object supposedly being seen. If that was not true, then dreams would be very boring.

Honestly no, I have not had any such a dream that I can remember. At least not in the last 20 years or so. As, I stated above, all waking stuff (thinking, seeing, etc...) does happen in the mind. To me, both waking and dreaming activity is in the mind, the difference is more just if it is subconscious or conscious mind activity. More broadly, all that is “perceived” is really just a reflection in the mind of the underlying energy of it all.

This is the basis of dream yoga practices.

Thanks Jeff. Have you ever dreamt a dream so real, that you did not realize you were dreaming until you woke up? I'm sure you have. If so, then how do you know that the waking experience is also not happening "in the mind" ? What exactly determines the difference between the two, for you?

Ok, I went back to mind any possible questions missed before your "troll" comment. The only possible question I could find without a direct response I could find was... What exactly determines the difference you perceive between "inside" and "outside"? What exactly is it which makes you so sure the dream exists only in the mind? To which I responded as part of the broader comments based upon your quoted text with... But, that still does not give you the object seen as being the same “stuff”. Your seeing the video game object in your “reality”, is just a bunch of software programming code in the outside/objective reality. The difference is sort of like the difference between a television transmission itself and what is “seen” on the television screen. Since that response did not seem to address your question, I will try again... What exactly determines the difference you perceive between "inside" and "outside"? What exactly is it which makes you so sure the dream exists only in the mind? While we were using a video game analogy, I assume by "inside" and "outside" you mean inside and outside of mind( or what I would call universal mind). By mind, I mean both active mind stream/activity and also the mind in a quiet/non-active state. In this case "inside" would be what you call Awareness, and this is the One that emerges from the Dao. The "outside" is the primordial Dao. A dream is mind based activity, so by definition it is happening in the mind. All thinking, seeing, percieving, etc... is mind based activity in my view. A dream is simply subconscious thinking/seeing stuff.

it is a modification of awareness, only. Doesn't REALLY exist. Sort of like how a dream object doesn't REALLY exist, when considered from a waking state perspective Not new definitions at all. These are just deeper unfolding of the subject. It is always better to start with a simple set of concepts, and then unfold naturally

I'm going to drop the quote format, since at this point I think it will just bloat my post excessively. - Your experiences of the energy on a "tactile" level sound very similar to mine, except that to me it does not seem to, in the course of normal practice, create a sensation of heat. There are two exceptions, the first is a very mild warmth, more a "glow" than a "heat," in the LDT during MHPearl or meditations which use the same hand positioning, and times when the meditations are seemingly having some kind of specific cleansing or purifying effect (I experienced this quite heavily when I first started practising, and again recently in response to some specific health problems - when I addressed the latter by changing my diet, the strong heat during practice disappeared almost overnight). But the energy itself, in the course of regular practice, doesn't usually feel intrinsically "hot." That said, it does feel "fiery" during certain meditations, or especially when it accumulates in large quantities after particularly intensive practice, but like a "heat-less fire," if that makes any sense. I know it sounds a little contradictory, but there you go. The closest physical sensation I can relate it to is that which you get when you quickly run your finger through a candle flame, able to feel the flame itself over your skin, but not holding it still and thus not letting it burn you. By contrast, the Qi I feel from most other systems of cultivation seems to have a more "electromagnetic" feel to it, for lack of a better word. - The question of secrecy v. openness is a complicated one, and my views are no doubt coloured by the heavy emphasis on secrecy in the Western Hermetic tradition where I started out. Drilled into me by books and teachers and online communities right next to the importance of visualisation was the Four Powers of the Sphinx, "To Know, to Dare, to Will and To Be Silent." I saw the exact interpretation of this debated endlessly, but I also saw the harm it caused. The confusion it created in aspirants, who were exposed to conflicting metaphysical concepts and denied concrete examples to help them sort the real from the absurd. The paranoia it created in students and practitioners, who were left constantly wondering if their experiences, or their lack of certain experiences, were normal or desirable or safe, if their goals were realistic or even attainable, but feeling unable to reach out to other practitioners and describe what was happening for guidance, and lacked other pre-existing examples to reassure them. The teachers who used secrecy as a cover for allowing implicit assumptions to buttress the reality of their achievements and inflate their public profile, or hid abuses or failures beneath it. I think these are murky issues that everyone has to navigate for themselves and ultimately come to their own conclusion on, but I don't think either extreme is healthy and I do think that the current culture in these communities generally leans too far towards secrecy (although this is shifting - for the better imo). I also think that context is important, and that sharing select experiences in a small subsection specifically for practitioners of a certain system in a relatively small community specifically for people interested in such systems of cultivation, is very different from shouting from the metaphorical rooftops about healing energies and blue lights and psychic experiences and visionary encounters. But I also agree that there are certain things which one should be careful about because you can then "pre-load" expectations, which is why I do reserve discussion of a lot of the effects of I get from FP for private correspondences. I think we just have to do the best we can to strike the right balance on a case by case basis. Even on your end, you have no qualms about discussing some things - in certain places, even talking about energy sensations and "golden lights" and such would be verboten. So it seems like it's a question of degree, no? And respectfully, I don't think your story about your MCO experience backs up your point. The way I read it, you had a teacher who did exactly what you're advocating, withholding descriptions of specific sensations which indicated attainment, and it sounds like at the least this didn't prevent you hurting yourself and, quite frankly, it also sounds like it possibly egged you on. And there are potentially other factors - was he teaching a proper method of opening the MCO? Was he teaching that method properly? Was he monitoring your practice and progress with sufficient attentiveness? These all seem at least as important to me as whether you received a description of what to expect or not. Personally, the relative degree of openness (and it is only relative, I know I'm not the only one who reserves a lot for private discussions) which has evolved in this thread over the years is a large part of the appeal to me. If that isn't the case for you, then share what you feel comfortable sharing, and let others do the same. I think that's all you can expect of any informal discussion group. - I still have an extremely hard time imagining your dream experiences, but it sounds like you have an equally hard time imagining the visual experiences I described last night. Such is life, I guess. The metaphor of reading doesn't really work for me, because I can't even think of a certain book, let alone remember or read specific passages from it, without it creating correlating mental imagery. - Regarding your sense that people took your account of the speed at which you practised to be boasting, all I can say without a link to the specific section of the thread where the exchange took place is that there honestly isn't any speed at which someone could describe their practice which I would personally totally disbelieve, since I know the degree to which the movements and breathing slow down during the course of the FP meditations even without conscious effort, let alone when striving for the "speed of a shifting sand dune" as instructed. The only exception would be if someone with no meditation/yoga/IMA experience claimed to be performing extremely long and slow sets, and even then primarily because like any other system, you can only practice for as long as you can comfortably maintain the posture and movement, and while the meditations might slow down movement quickly, they don't allow effortless holding of postures or repetition of movements without the concomitant physical strain. But that's obviously not the case here.

Well, as per Advaita that tree does not even exist outside the person experiencing it, then where is the question of falling and the sound? 🙂 If the Samsara is held similar to a dream, then there is only experiencer. So, I think the question boils down to - is it similar to a dream or similar to a game as you describe. There are other schools of Vedanta (vishishtadwaita) that reject the dream notion and state that the manifested world has certain reality.

The trap is of your own making. What exactly determines the difference you perceive between "inside" and "outside"? What exactly is it which makes you so sure the dream exists only in the mind? It seems preconceived notions veil your ability to see that my analogy is more like saying: As character and video game arise together simultaneously, then the character, the character's seeing within the game, and everything the character sees within the game are all of the same nature. Nothing more, nothing less. Scenario within scenarios, ad nauseam. And yet, you as the seer, the video game and the object within the video game all arise and exist simultaneously within the same reality. Otherwise, you as the seer could not even claim to have seen in the first place. A seer's sole function is to see. Now it's just an aspect? Mirrors only reflect objects within their range.

Your dreamer analogy has the exact same circular logic trap. A dream exists in the mind and not part of what we could call outside/objective reality. Your analogy is like saying... Assume you live inside of a video game, and hence, everything you "see" is inside of the video game. The seer and the seen do not necessarily have the same reality. I can see an object in a video game, but that does not mean that I live in the same reality as the object does in the video game. Also, seeing itself does not need to be of the same nature as the seer and the seen object. Seeing itself can just be an aspect of the seer. Similar to a sonar pulse sent out that reflect upon "separate objects".

It may seem circular... but you've said nothing to oppose it. Yes, that reality can exist objectively for the jiva. He can claim that he or the table exists, separately or otherwise... But, as you confirm, his initial impression of himself or the table isn't necessarily the true nature or reality of the things seen. Is it not an assumption that the seeing, the reflections seen in the mind space, and the mind space itself are all of a different nature? Consider dreaming. Is not the dreaming of the dream only possible because the dreamer and the dream share the same reality? That's all that's being said. Seeing, (whether seeing yourself or seeing the table), must necessarily be of the same nature as the seer and the seen (regardless of whether or not your perception of the "wood" color isn't the actual "wood" color). Would you agree?

So then, we will just have to be patient. I do remember a comment Sifu made a while back intimating that once we become awakened (in the sense of enlightened) we will need no-one to explain anything - or words to that effect. Obviously that is the only way to reach total understanding, avoiding all the pitfalls of incomplete conceptual ideas and misinformation/disinformation, and misunderstanding, which all too often plague us. But to me that is a nebulous concept, almost like putting the carrot in front of our noses, but there is no information about at which stage in the practice of this art such awakening or realization is expected to occur. I presume that one would need to somehow learn the entire system, not only what has been released in DVD format. In other words one would need to be in the financial situation to be able to afford one on one classes with Sifu Dunn and enter what he terms 'a formal apprenticeship'. Well, despite the FP energy having been described as being cool, I continue to experience it radiating out of my Laugong points as warm energy against my face, and also entering my body - it feels like the radiant heat of the sun. Whenever I bring my middle fingers together in any of the meditations, I can feel a magnetic attraction - that is not quite what it is, but that is the best way I can describe it. In any case, I can feel a substantial amount of resistance when I try to separate my fingers, something I also experience strongly in the final MSW meditation from Volume 2, and any similar movements in other meditations. From the prayer mudra, when I open my hands, this is when I feel the radiance I was describing most, then for example in the 3rd MSW from Volume 7, but also in many other meditations, I can feel the Qi as though I were gathering it from all around me, then drawing it into the LDT. When opening the hands from the prayer mudra outward in several of the meditations at the level of the middle Dantien I also experience a powerful sensation, and also feel my thumbs and first three fingers being drawn together. I experience a considerable amount of movement in the Dantien itself, but this started to happen before I began the FPCK, so I don't know whether it is related. Again in the Volume 7 MSW meditations, as the back of the hand is drawn toward the brow I feel the Qi very strongly in the area of the Upper Dantien and my physical eyes, and at this point I also enter much more deeply in the samahdic state, sometimes to the point that I find I have stopped moving altogether without realizing it. Another movement which seems to create a strong energetic manifestation is again in the 2nd Volume 7 MSW meditation, when the hands move into a position with palms upward, elbows drawn in - the energy radiates from my hands from my neck upward, again affecting the Upper Dantien, but also the entire head, right to the Baihui point. I think perhaps the heat is what my body needs, as there is a great deal of cold and damp in my bones. Aside from the sensations I described, there are many more subtle manifestations of energy moving through all the meridians. There is also a considerable buildup of saliva much of the time, which is why I previously asked Sifu about that, because in other types of cultivation one is supposed not to swallow one's saliva before completing the exercise, so that the now refined Qi is then returned to the LDT. But that is not the case in this form of cultivation, according to Sifu's reply. The problem is remembering these experiences without being able to write them down, because as I explained, I have to rely on my ability to translate the experience to my inner dialogue, and that stops once I enter the samadhic state - so it's a vicious cycle for me. I have probably forgotten much of what I experienced by the time I come back to normal consciousness after completing each meditation. At one point I was keeping a daily journal, but I am no longer keeping it up to date, there just isn't sufficient time. An example is that I have only described my experiences with the seated meditations, because I am focusing on practicing these whilst learning the Volume 7 meditations, so I cannot remember the sensations I experience during the standing meditations as I write. All I do remember is the samadhic state, which is common to both standing and seated meditations. I tried that back in the day, when I was a member of the Rosicrucian Fellowship. We used to have to work a great deal with Tattvic forms and colours, but aside from working with flashing colours, once we began working with exercises relying purely upon visualization techniques I was completely lost. But I did get to the stage of being able to look at two images of a Tattva geometrical form, then pick up the image created by the flashing colours and transfer it onto the second image (as a complementary colour) and hold it over the second image for a short time. But I found the exercise extremely exhausting. During my previous occult training I was also forced to often stay up all night and perform similar exercises, presumably to help me gain psychic abilities, I'm not sure. It was many years ago. That is wonderful, but sadly pretty meaningless to me, I'm afraid. All this has helped me remember a period during my training a while back when I started to experience seeing everything bathed in a golden light, but it was like seeing everything like the reverse image of a camera. It felt as though rather than perceiving something outside of myself everything was a projection of myself, and I perceived that in this golden light. That lasted quite some time, several months at least, and I remember also that prior to that I spent more than a year with the horrible sensation of having a piece of sticky paper right over my third eye. I don't know how else to describe it, except that it was an extraordinarily uncomfortable sensation which just would not go away. I also experienced a painful pressure in the same area for about the same amount of time. I think that is probably when I began to perceive the violet/blue eye in front of my forehead when my eyes were shut. But I could never actually perceive anything through it. I think one reason for that taboo is the fact that it can cause envy or lead to those unable to have similar experiences being disheartened, which could cause them to give up. The main point however is that it is very rare for any two students to have the same or even similar experiences in the practice of Qigong cultivation. It is not considered good for students to have any expectations of what they are likely to experience in their training, as the mind is quite capable of providing such experiences, but these are not real. This can be very damaging to one's development, which is why the sharing of Qigong experiences is discouraged in many schools. I agree with this. For example when I was first taught the MCO around 1988, my Sifu asked me what I was experiencing. He was looking for a very specific sign to show that one of my gates had opened, or was about to open, but he would not tell me any more than that. I remember that my mind came up with all manner of sensations which I duly reported, but none of them were what he was looking for. This in fact led me into very dangerous territory, as I became so desperate to achieve what my Sifu expected of me that I forced my own cerebro-spinal fluid around the MCO, and wound up in hospital with a condition called 'meningism' - all the symptoms of acute viral meningitis, but without any infection present. I was then given several courses of lumbar punctures to remove the pressure and have never been the same since energetically, and I still have the scars today. You might say that the intention is to inspire practitioners to work harder, but it does not necessarily have that effect. It was after all in this spirit that I shared information here regarding the time it took me to complete each of the meditations, but I think there is sufficient proof that it was not taken in the way I intended at all. I think it's rather a shame, as well as hypocritical that many others on this thread openly and frequently boast of their achievements and are applauded for doing so. Many of them should know better, and should perhaps be setting a better example to those less knowledgeable. Well, I have no such yardstick with which to compare the visual aspect of my dreams, but on the very rare occasions when I do remember them, I would certainly not describe them as vivid. But hey! - cloudy and unclear is better than nothing... All I can do is remember the most striking events in the form of descriptive dialogue. I may remember that I have had a dream, but actually remembering the dream is very rare, and the memory would only be in descriptive form, like reading LOTR. OK, I'll look out for the notification. Thank you.

I think this issue confuses everyone at some stage or another. I don't know either, and I've seen multiple debates between long term and attained practitioners of various esoteric traditions arguing one side or the other (or somewhere between, or some third point involving the regular visual faculty being enhanced - I've read speculation involving the development of the structure of the eye to allow it to perceive a wider spectrum of input and the like). Ultimately I suspect the distinction becomes meaningless, but arguably, every distinction becomes meaningless in the long run, so that answer is of no help to either of us :/ I too would be very interested in Sifu Terry's input on the subject, but I'm also fairly sure his current schedule at Eastover is jam packed, so we might be waiting a while to hear it I would be interested in hearing more about what you do experience, particularly what the "Qi manifestations" are like for you. I've found that while Qi has always been primarily a phenomenon of "feeling," it very quickly takes on visual aspects, either literally (where it appears in certain visual forms in either the minds eye, or in the real world as a part of my regular visual experience) or in a more abstract sense (where I come to mentally associate certain colours and visual imagery with certain "energy sensations"). That said, this could be related to the fact that I cut my metaphysical teeth in Western Hermetics, where visualisation is emphasised strongly, and very often taught as a prerequisite skill to more advanced practices (a lot of my first year or two of meditation was spent forming various coloured geometric shapes in my mind's eye ) As an example, since I had this topic on my mind when practising earlier, I performed a fairly long session of Bending the Bows when I got home tonight. As I started the breathing sequence, my visual field behind my eyes took on a distinct blue-ish hue, and moving further into the sequences I started seeing sparks of blue flickering and flaring behind my eyelids. This died down after I finished the sequence, and the first 10 minutes or so of the meditation were fairly devoid of visual content (not unusual for BTB - I find other meditations like MGAM far more stimulating on this count). Around what felt like the 10 - 15 minute mark, I started noticing that I could perceive a blue visual outline of my arms as they moved up and down into and out of my field of vision. As the meditation continued, this outline started to swirl and expand and take on a purple/pinkish tinge for a while, sometimes merging entirely when my hands came close to each other, and at other times I would see a white shape matching my limbs on the inside of the blue outline, and I found occasionally that when I held the hands in front of my eyes in the "MGAM position" I would start to see a swirling blue vortex right in the center of my field of vision. When I finished the meditation I found that I could still see a distinct blue outline around my limbs, and now able to move and look around, I noticed I could see it around my entire body if I looked down. Sometimes it would flare out into a wider "aura" shape, although not to the extent that it did during the actual meditation, and sometimes the white outline of my limbs would flash briefly. To see what effect any environmental light might have been having on the experience, I shut off all the lights in my room and got it as close to pitch black as possible (which is pretty close), but this only enhanced the effect and allowed it to continue with my eyes open, at which point I also noticed almost electric looking flashes of white-blue flaring off my fingertips (I have no idea if these were a product of a metaphysical visual faculty or something which would have been visible to an onlooker, although I suspect the former). ...and then I went inside and cooked some fish for dinner (normally I don't go into this kind of explicit detail about the "cool but weird" side of the training, since there seems to be a taboo against discussing these kinds of personal experiences in online spiritual communities, one which has become ingrained within me despite myself. Perhaps Earl Grey's cheerfully flagrant disregard for this silly convention in his last post has inspired me ) See, that sounds quite bizarre and surreal to me, because my dreams are very visual experiences (in fact I'd describe them as primarily visual). It's usually my memory of the visual aspect of a dream which remains the most coherent and sticks with me the longest, followed at a distant second by specific sounds and phrases. I have the most difficulty retaining a sense of the passage of time and narrative structure, although this aspect has become far more coherent since I started practicing FP and, especially, since I started practicing assorted MSW meditations before bed. I have only the vaguest conception of what it would be like to remember a dream without retaining any visuals - in fact it doesn't really sound like what I would consider dream retention at all. Any chance you could try to describe it in more detail? You've piqued my curiosity now. I was actually thinking about your post earlier and wondering about the question of psychedelics. That's possibly straying a bit too far afield for this thread though, but I might hit you up in PM for more details tomorrow. Anyway, I fully intend to get back to you on the other points you raised in your post, but it's getting on here, so I'll have to do so later, hopefully tomorrow morning. But I had this subject on my mind quite strongly when I was doing my BTB session earlier, so I wanted to address that particular point while it was fresh in my mind.

Hi Lost in Translation, More on Castaneda - I will pick up Castaneda's books and read. Carlos Castaneda (December 25, 1925–April 27, 1998) was a Peru-American author with a PhD in anthropology. Starting with The Teachings of Don Juan in 1968, Castaneda wrote a series of books that describe his training in shamanism, particularly with a group whose lineage descended from the Toltecs. The books, narrated in the first person, relate his experiences under the tutelage of a Yaqui "Man of Knowledge" named donJuan Matus. His 12 books have sold more than 28 million copies in 17 languages. Critics have suggested that they are works of fiction; supporters claim the books are either true or at least valuable works of philosophy and descriptions of practices which lead one to an awareness of energies, beings and worlds which lie outside the perceptual paradigm of the vast majority of human beings on this planet. Castaneda withdrew from public view in 1973 to work further on his inner development, living in a large house in Westwood, California, with three colleagues whom he called "Fellow Travellers of Awareness." He founded Cleargreen, an organization that promotes Tensegrity, which Dr. Castaneda described as the modern version of the “magical passes” of the shamans of ancient Mexico. Magical Passes comprise bodily movements discovered in dream states by shamans of don Juan’s lineage, expanding their powers of perception - Wikipedia - LimA