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? are they supposed to capture our thoughts 'on the way out ' or capture dreams for us and 'send them in' to our own dreams ? In the past people used to say " I was given a dream " now, in the modern world and with the modern mind , we say " I had a dream . " One of the more powerful things we can say about "I had a dream " is when it appears 'the dream' has a life of its own and turns into 'I have a dream' ... and it is also other people's dream that they are having . ... and in the even older sense , 'dream time' is a very deep and complex subject .

every dream the catcher catches, catches her.

When my daughter had nightmares I got a small dream catcher. When that didn't work I got a nicely made doll, some might call it a witch, but I called it a wise woman and set it over my daughter's bed and let her know the wise woman would stop some bad dreams, and if some got by, she'd be there for comfort and security. That worked.

Nice, especially because they're authentic. Tell me, how do they work? Better dream recall or does it go beyond that?

I have a number of dream catchers presented to me by the Lakota as a token of thanks for supporting an organization that look after disadvantaged kids. The dream catchers work.

Just thinking about it... A lot of mystical traditions believe in thought forms. Sort of like our ideas are some type of form/substance within our aura. We are somehow continually captivated by them.. Just an idea, but What if dream catchers somehow tangle up and "catch" a person's 'thought forms'? thoughts?

i have used telekinesis in dreams and pushed hand through a wall. I get the feels and what is in my mind at the moment, the world is secondary importance, not to view through senses. Harder is to manifest money or cars. There is dream also where i can't jump higher than normally, no matter how much i try, when i am attached to the thing i want to do. I made a bet with someone that i could jump and touch the ceiling, but i couldn't.

And from a state of confusion I am grateful for the few versus the many potential bee stings I received as I traverse along the way. Some days I come to the realization "Man oh man, You are living the dream". I return in gratitude to the attitude of to those whom much was given, much is expected in return. I do consider myself wealthy in spirit as my needs are few and easily met. I often try to mentally walk a few miles in another's shoes. How would I stand up under the conditions of that soul or that one? Gratitude 24-7 ? No, but incremental gains in it daily for which I am grateful!

Lucid dream is coming, but you can do the connection at waking state too after many types of progressions. Pressure builds up, the stage is triggered in waking life(triggers sensual thoughts and here is i think we need actual celibacy otherwise we miss or jump off the train), and in dream state you become lucid and find a female being to enter and connect to. (i guess it is just a scenario of my clingings to the sensation i need experience) but still i think celibacy is needed and at minimum a million dollar point, it is for that you would not express the dark remains what runs in parallel with manual labor. Different styles of 'lucid dream' comes, lower organ and in head a point is opened in a semi real state what isn't like the normal lucid dream, you wake up from a dream but not fully woken up. ---- you just need the taste what lucid dream is, then need use that taste to find that state while awake. (imho that is a crucial difference while speaking amongst lucid dreamers). Later the sensation, by the way at first it seem cold and electrical but later it is not, therefore i think it is said "Lucid" the waking up in a dream is secondary importance, i think its just that you are in head area and there is awareness included and through center there you get sensation and will be transported to other world. Celibacy and lucid are from a same track. -- i have questioned and search people descriptions on what lucid dream is. And reached the conclusion that not everyone lucid dream is lucid dream same definition. So to know what lucid dream is there is a sensation, definite characteristics. Not just waking up in a dream and living through a scenario there, i mean fundamentals and things you do before having a dream, what is noticed etc. I have spoken to someone and i couldn't beat that person enough to get understood what is meant scenario details and what are the sensation or characteristics of a lucid dream. So that person talking about how long it lasted, what he did etc. --- in short: Lucid dream is for to stimulate the high-end of a sensual organ to get that sensation. In waking life you get activated beforehand, then need do celibacy in order to get a relevant dream. Lucid dream is not the reference to dream where you are woken up, but it means you are in head region and need release to get down. The entire celibacy politics is that you wouldn't waste the opportunity to get a dream world sensation unlocked to waking life, that sensation goes through different place back up and the connection is done manually without dream then. And once the mastery is gotten you won't get a lucid dream sensation of the same sensation because you did the entire circle manually in one shot so you will skip that circle becase you mastered it. Last time i had a microsecond long lucid dream(get the point? its not for to practice meditation there or live thousand years). The lucidity is a sensation itself, just a start for other types of happenings.

Each time we dream we go into the frontiers of 'I dont know' land. Dreams are like induction programs to the real thing. For those who know dreams, they are never bewildered when the real and final 'I dont know' shows up.

Hi Taomeow, Yesterday night Bunny (the rabbit on the moon) came to my dream to ask me to thank you for featuring her story here. Bunny like you to note that she is hare-y but not hairy. Why? She is a she. Bunny said it was true that she had nothing to offer the sages. "Who would like to come across as greedy and useless?" - Bunny asked. "Face" was very important to her. She said Nature had given her a face for self identity "just like you human". "No two rabbits look the same; my cousin Funny looks real comical" - added Bunny. Bunny was quite offended that she was made to appear "loose". It was wrong to say that she had "nothing". She has faith in the Divine and her soul is intact. She like you to amend that "she offers her spirituality". This makes a lot of sense as she was dealing with venerable sages. As a rabbit, Bunny was livid that she was regarded as easy and ready meat for roasting (literally or otherwise). To her fire is sacred in spiritual rites. She felt that your mind, besides being roasted, is also coasted. Bunny boasted that she could teach you how to be a better feline Taoist. She said in no uncertain terms that you are a disgrace to Taoism. Holy cow! - she exclaimed and then laughed. Why? She was thinking of roast beef. Bunny gave you a 'thumbs up' for this. "Taoist immortals are not only not vegetarians; they are virile octogenarians" - said Bunny. When it comes to Bunny, the venerable became vulnerable - the three yang's rose up to her ying. Bunny had rewritten the above thus: "The three savages, moved by my spiritual sacrifice, found that it would not unwise to 'meat' me - a priceless creation". Bunny rewrote thus as she was fed up with this: ... they made the Bunny immortal, conferred alcoholic-chemical skills, and sent her to the moon to serve Lady Chang-O (aka Lady Super-O) in-and-out and around her sinnamon places. Bunny does not like to be exposed thus on the 1st and 15th days of every lunar month. She finds it tiring to revitalize the three savages with herbs. Sometimes she feels like adding in some cyanide. The 1st and 15th make her lunartically mad. - LimA

Sense of self, or I-thought is how you come aware of yourself. That yourself is a being, it is layered, 5 skandhas in budism. You come aware of it through dhyana a peaceful abode. Dhyana also is not a one thing like concentration. Concentration is some sort of activity. When i read about jhana and then try to focus on objects like candle light. Its not dhyana or jhana. Nor the burn you see later. When i focus on candle light then its exactly that what it is, focusing on candlelight, while then doing that by now it is a connotation or meaning and can investigate contents of mind what rise and disappear, mind at some point stops and clarity dawns, you can see it happen. There are some agitation and dark moments like heart breaking, darkness swirling etc moments meanwhile before clarity dawns, objects go bright. That clarity is sense of self gotten brightness what also is lucid dream. After that things go downhill and really bad, then you see suffering. That suffering also can be developed more directly or used like sense of self can be used to get things go through faster. Sense of self is your sense organs and body like eyes, neck tongue whatever. Suffering is the protection from getting involved in activities it will get you into lower body and feelings and organs there like gut, penis etc feelings. So we will reach to celibacy or well discipline what cultivates all together, its just matter of a thought or Way. So other words sense of self or doing other things or when to cultivate forbeirance, full dicipline is at certain times what is noticed for you accordance to your merit. -- that happens in multiple possible scenarios. Basically if you read about sense of self, then you can come aware of the self. Other possibility is from your own cultivation somehow you come aware suddenly. Also the scenario where you notice a scenario and notice that you come aware there where before you were on some else knowledge/nana. imo idea is to get things done in shitty situations where you mainly are agitated under pressure or hedonist, you can come aware and can start mediate and clear out, be the knower of sensations.

I have this strange dream few weeks ago. I dream that I was practicing Pole Standing Tai Chi...in a place where I should not be doing. That was how I felt. Somehow, I was with another student and there was a teacher in front of us. I didn't get to see his face or who this teacher was or if he was an immortal. What happened was that I felt the chi moving in my arms. In a way that the chi was shifting weight on my arms from left to right. Giving the sense of motion of titling my body from right up left down and left up and right down. I was rocking from left to right and right to left like I was on a boat. I felt this movement in the dream. I am pretty sure my actual body was experiencing this sensation as I was dreaming this scene. Then, the scene changed. Now, I found my arms were in front of me, in front of my upper dan tien. My wrists were bend and the palms facing outward. Again, I sensed my chi was moving in my arms now and slowly being projected like waves. My arms were moving like before doing the Pole Standing Tai Chi. Moving right up and left down and left up and right down. Throughout the entire dream sequences, I felt this rocking sensation the whole time.... Anyway, I just picked up two books by master Waysun Liao, "Tai Chi Classic" and "Restoring Your Life Energy...." And probably would begin to practice Tai Chi.... It would blow my mind if I could make great progress from the book....

I rarely dream (at least I rarely have knowledge of dreaming) but yes, I do remember at least parts of them. Most are identifiable memories but some stuff is just strange.

Do you guys remember the moment, when you were a child, you've realized death - that both your parents were going to die? Death is not a concept grasped by a baby, a child. I've read once that this can be considered the big moment, when you probably stop "being a child". I don't think it has anything to do with greed, attachment or fear... "The child is grown, The dream is gone. I have become comfortably numb."

Could be, sure. Or maybe it runs deeper: "Those who dream of the banquet, wake to lamentation and sorrow. Those who dream of lamentation and sorrow wake to join the hunt." - ZZ

This is absolutely true; I've entered lucid dreaming states to the point that I could close if I wanted to and still remain in the dream, or close and then go into deep sleep devoid of dreaming too.

Frankly, I just let nature to take its course if it should leak jing. If you fight it, you going to have some strange dreams...hehehehhee.... Well, they do teach you but only in your dreams and consciousness...the most direct transmission...isn't it???? Most people can't learn anything even sitting in a classroom with a teacher. Judging with numerous beings and figures I have encountered in my dreams, when they appear, they are as real as a real form. I once dream of myself sleeping in my own room and I saw this blonde hair, blue eyed figure showed up by my bedside. Not only that, I held his hand and really felt how rough his skin was.....It was so real that when I woke up, I looked to my right of my bed to see if he was still there....real or not real...I don't believe it is that important for an immortal. What is matter is how your mind perceives them. Then, there are the faces I saw in my meditation...hehehehhee..

Well, to answer the original question, my dream states and visions are definitely on the high quality side. Right now, my jing or my essence is full. Don't feel the urge to release for a while now. Haven't had any dreams indicating I want to release. I guess when my essence is full, my dreams and visions would take a newer dimension. My dreams would embed with extreme wisdom and finding myself interacting with beings or situations in which I would never be able to achieve in real life situations. I would have more clarity and concentration in my dream state. I could see and recognize faces more clearer. Even if my essence has been depleted, my dream and mind states do not suffer a crash either. Is not like I would have nightmares and anxiety dreams. I may have more dreams about annoying subjects. These dream contents do not affect my mood in my waking state. However, there was a time when I experienced another Kundalini energy rising in the middle of the night...only few hours after my jing has been leaked. Like I said earlier, leaking Jing can impede your enlightenment progress and yet not at the same time..... I personally don't know at what point in which your jing leakage won't affect your cultivation....

Here is the thing I met Jeff in dreaming before I met him in waking hours. I never said he appeared in dreams rather I felt the energy while awake trough which I felt trough meeting his followers so then followed that energy inside a lucid dream and met both his followers and him. Its a different thing. Dreams are always just dreams what else can they be but here is the catch - for example in our waking hours what we think is mostly illusion cuz in reality its just a bunch of noise and what we consider real are things that are physical, that's why we call this reality physical reality. Since dreams are similar to the mind the real thing there is energy and if you are able to feel energy that then you will know undoubtedly if you are dealing with something or someone real rather then with a dreaming projection. If you think dream is just a dream why don't you use it as such and behave as real as you do in the waking hours by implementing your will there just as you do here. Dreams are called dreams for a reason because everything is possible there you can dream real things as well and talk with anyone you want its like huge internet. This is a far better approach then to discarding dreams as something not real because that would mean you just discard the other 50% of your existence only because you think you know better which in the end is just useless noise in your head telling you that. You see you can't really eliminate what is real with dreams just because they are projections.. It would be like saying you are dead while you dream which is impossible if you are an eternal living being.

This is a deliberate miswording of a dream that I posted at LU, and not something I will enter into. I definitely felt energy, but just because I could feel it it doesn't follow that it was a good thing for me. Yes I believe it would have damaged my subtle body, this is my opinion and something I am entitled to believe despite all the heavy handed attempts to dismiss and ridicule it. Another misrepresentation of a dream. This 'accusation' was specifically regarding my perception of Jeff's energy only: This is a reference to something dawei told me about entities, you can ask him directly what I am referring to, as it was said in confidence. If he doesn't know what I am referring to, I will clarify it via PM. Like who exactly? Time to name names I think, since it never happened. I checked LU member logs when I read that there was an 80% membership crossover. Names? Names? As you keep saying about anyone who doesn't take to Light work.

Jeff isn't dangerous at all I've confirmed that for myself, when I met him I had some doubts about him and even tho I didn't quite agree with him I witnessed for myself who and what is he about in astral dreaming where I met him as well. Actually its on astral levels where I found out more about him and I even confirmed some things that he spoke about in the waking hours. I saw him as a beam of energy as well while he personally explained to me what I'm seeing, these experiences were real and not regular dream projections as some idiots think they might be. If you really knew who Jeff was you might actually be sorry for thinking he was dangerous as I witnessed for myself in astral he helping quite a few people. I'm just being objective here.. So far given this thread its obvious Jeff isn't a problem here but the real problem lies both in those that hate and him and those that follow him, both parties are obsessed with Jeff and portray the attack-defend syndrome which throws them in the same league. Its just self importance in different disguise and its all over the place. Both parties should be thankful to each other since so many issues are out in the open for them to deal with. I asked for this thread to be moderated but unfortunately nothing happened and I had to go trough pile of crap by myself to post and since Sean isn't available the only one I could contact about it is Jeff since he seems to be the real boss here since admins are his followers. No offense guys but the forum is full of such threads and full of passive aggressive junk and most of us really have to be crap friendly to go trough the forum and this is just a product of lousy moderation. I hope you can handle the truth guys and do something about it, something constructive. if nothing you can always mutterate my off topic post here

Hey Jonesy ! If a woman came to my group and relayed that dream to me ... I would NOT go near her with a 20 foot pole ! Could no one see the significance there ! MY God ! Think it through ! Its a bit like the time I spent a weekend at a girls place who seemed interested in me . first night she was nervous so slept on the lounge. In the morning she tells me she dreampt an ape man came into her room, bit her and she got an infectious disease. No way was I gonna go anywhere with her . I politely excused my self and left as soon as I could !

What intimate details? That two months after having any contact with Jeff she has a dream and it's Jeff's fault? One would be hard pressed to connect those dots.

This is getting old. You came to lu with a dream about zombies unscrewing your kundalini cap. You were a quarter turn away from having it open and you were excited about it. You worked with Jeff 3 times. Said it felt amazing but was concerned with how our practice could damage the subtle body and felt it was your mission to stop "light practices." Two months later you have another dream about some being coming to unscrew your kundalini cap and want to accuse us of trying to astrally rape you as well as how our practice attracts entities to people. Since then you send people to our chat, watch our member logs, email people you think we are talking to. Have encourage others to make outrageous posts about the nature of our practices and years later you are still at it. I would definitely say whatever your issue is, it is not us and more about your fears and issues. Just stop with the bs already...