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Thanks for the mention, dwai. Trust that I say without sarcasm, it's good to see things come together as we futiley attempt to pinpoint the unpinnable! I once wrote, "while 'oneness' may be the quintessence of Advaita, Reality lies beyond oneness and any other perceptual state." All the pointers hang upon the existence of some false "knower-of" identity, but Self is the unidentifiable ground of knowledge. The closest one ever gets to depicting this negation of all, is ascribing attributes which are essentially superimpositions. Oh how the mind despises this perceived boring not-a-thing-ness. People will say to you, "tell me more about the emptiness." With incessant craving for order, the mind is continuously drawn out in an effort to catalog its perceptions, but concepts of order and chaos must be dropped. The dream of experience, surrendered. The mischievous mind says, "I experienced", thereby creating an illusory space in which one I supposedly experiences another I. There is no experience of the Self. In looking towards it, you look away from it. In looking for it, you miss your Self. There exists no intellectual reference for that which lies beyond the intellect. Where all perceptions and concepts are discarded, there and there alone, Self alone, is.

I've read this an find it somewhat apropos passage from the Chuang-tzu, viz. the Great Sage Dream anecdote:

well today i felt bad, like its the day where i think i am having a death disease. Its stomach thingy i believe. This stage used to be awful, now i almost not even recon these stages as those. Started from dream state and all day some past stuff arising and stinging, and it burns./dream state i don't ntoice the stings and burns, but the theme carried over to waking state. //guess is that its hot is taken over by cold, since i feel cold winds. Also i think i need to visit toilet soon.

Hi Silent Thunder, yeah i dream in vision as well... its just when i'm awake that i have trouble seeing with eyes closed... just realised if i'm meditating with eyes closed and i do start seeing things, it usually means i'm going to enter the dream state and wake up with a jolt... weird! I bet your wife has some unique perspectives on the world.. interesting conversations! Peace

What linear language is is you doing actually work. You read something so long till it clicks you "get satisfied" what actually also happens is you need food, the desire to eat rises manifold. What happens is you are doing work, the weight will match belly energies, what are craving. So eventually it will burn away and it will leave you with insatiable feeling wandering around from page to page looking for what will work and it aren't there. The secret how to get pass these difficult points are to know how to die and open these senses where you are not you anymore but a container of dream energies and you will just use your own creation to mold these energies or form them. What is death, death is absence of motion. *direct or command (someone) with a movement of the hand or head.(google translator)

Hi Edward M. Your question reminds me of something I encountered recently that really surprised me. My wife, does not visualize... at all, like ever. It stunned me as one of the things I've sought in my practice is a break from the constant visualizations that can be very distracting. She sees nothing in dreams, she feels them. She has a very clear inner sense of how a place is in dreams, but unlike me, who sees a particular room and the color of the flowers and the furniture, she feels the room, has a sense of the room she is in, but does not see anything. She feels it. She experiences the room without visualizing it. When you dream about a place. Do you see it in detail? Or is it more of a sense, or feel of a place...

hmm, in a dream i think its the only way for me to manifest something. If i know what i want to have then it never happen. So if i have in my mind a idea then someone has to make it happen to me. And if i use the other variant then i switch the reality where i have it already. So i either go there where i have the thing i want. And the other variant is someone has to bring it to me.

What is primary is acoustic space where entities and meaning flow into one another like the fabric of dream. Linear time -- past/present/future breaks down, contained space breaks down, subject-object distinctions break down etc. Cover your eyes and listen... there are no discrete things (no static tables, chairs, people etc), all you hear is merged motion. Now put you fingers in your ears and what do you see? Fixed static space with things contained within. Static objects whose meaning can be known in isolation like a dictionary -- table, chairs, books, humans etc. So in an oral world the ear does the seeing in some respect. But when we take the multi-sensual world of oral culture and fix it in space inside meaningless abstract signs that relate to nothing in nature -- THESE SIGNS -- then when we read and retranslate the signs back into something meaningful we bias the eye over and above the other senses. That visual bias is the problem of Western metaphysics i.e PLATO. That's the simple version. Go and watch Ebert's Heidegger videos on Being and Time. Present-at-hand is visual with direct access to meaning and readiness-at-hand is acoustic where meaning structures merge into the background of the world.

Really I spent a few years working out what was going on prior to Plato's metaphysics. In the Western tradition Heidegger's late philosophy tries to "destruct" Western metaphysics after he see there are different ontological epochs with two prior to Plato -- logos and phusis. And Marshall McLuhan pretty much nails it with his medium is the message i.e. Plato is working out the effects of the phonetic alphabet with fixed vowels ,<== that is what you have to unwind. See the book The Alphabet Effect by Logan. A good understanding of post-modern philosophy is helpful too -- Derrida rather than "destruct" to the earlier oral culture of Western culture "deconstructs" "logocentric" metaphysics from this side rather than thinking back to an earlier period. And D&G work out the environment of Derrida's deconstructed metaphysics. So post-moderism is actually a good basis for starting out qigong because it brushes aside all the cliched ideas which held Western thinking in place since Plato. It therefore provides a good, but empty i.e. no real energy, framework from which to begin. Kind of like Jung and James Hillman or Watts perhaps. Right so the problem here is post-modern philosophy is really difficult and Heidegger is off-the-charts difficult. But I think the thing is to just exercise your brain with the very strange pomo world-views to give yourself a chance. There were several times over the years when thinking about these things I felt like I'd been hit over the head with a baseball bat so that all my pre-conceived notions about the nature of reality, space and time etc shifted over to a new paradigm. Also I did some dream analysis too. Thinking about the grammar and logic of dreams and trying to bring that kind of awareness to waking reality. Really consciousness IS NOT in out heads at all. That way of thinking about the world is abstracted away from the true nature of things. I got loads of my stuff from a friend on reddit whose similar to drew whom I won't name because he doesn't like attention plus also from John David Ebert and fake Bob Dobbs. The common link there is they're both James Joyce scholars. https://www.youtube.com/user/johndavidebert/videos (watch the Derida, Heidegger and Deleuze videos) http://dobbstown.com/ https://ionandbob.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/bob-dobbs-dew-line.html

"The great falling away of that which never was, bricks come tumbling down, a temple built for no one. A veil of dualism, experience appearing, disappearing. Awareness imagining duality. Oh Maya. The grand dynamic stillness, fullness of the emptiness, the deafening unstruck sound of silence. A veil of non-dualism, experience appearing, disappearing. Awareness imagining unity. Oh Maya. A dreamer in a dream, dreams of drifting off to sleep, a dream-awakening within the dream. Unawareness. Oh Maya!" -neti neti

Hi Marblehead, Nice to note that when it comes to blessings, you have taken a middle path. You used the word 'too'. What kind of service provider were you trying to be? One kind - the wrong kind. I definitely would not engage you. Dream on. May the forces be with you always. But of course. I know. Good for you. Perfect = no fun. - LimA

Having lived and grown up in a small indian town (Mysore/Maisuru) till I was 25, and since then, 17 years in the Chicago suburbs (with a year spent in Tampa, Florida) I find that the deeper I dive into the spiritual life, the more I long for the simplicity of my hometown of yore. Albeit, that entity doesn't exist anymore. Rampant "modernization" has robbed it of it's idyllic charms. Now I long for the Himalayas. I know I'm going to go there eventually. Not sure how I can settle, with a family and all (who rather love the US). But even to have a small place in the mountains where I can run off to and meditate for a few weeks every year would be sufficient for me now. TBH, I don't long for social contact beyond my family and the like-minded (in the sense of fellow cultivators/meditators; who would be harder to find in small towns any way). When I do go off the grid, it'll be to disappear forever. until then, I will dream.... http://www.indiatimes.com/culture/travel/19-villages-in-india-so-scenic-you-might-consider-living-there-231084.html

Seem to me these times are pretty often. Its free experience. And my dream consciousness(that amoral, urges based substance) is doing great, i am not even feeling like getting banned. So i can loosen up again and be more me. The heat mostly i keep it in using it to cultivate to the brink and then there is little trigger needed. --- i think it is quite clear that i am not looking for to stop attacking but to get better at it, so that a very little wrong thing can trigger me. **yes me me, its intimidating. Intimate dating.

This isn't limited to animals! I posted earlier in the thread how the Taoist Nun at Qingchengshan could hear the trees crying so she pulled the nails out of the trees from the tourist signs. I actually had some spirit tree dreams from the big oak trees in the yard I grew up in. First I dreamt of this rainbow aura around one of the trees. Then a few days after I had this dream of a white bear leaning up against the other tree. So I went back to see the old yard and sure enough that tree that had the spirit white bear had just been cut down! And so then I looked up the significance of bears in circumpolar cultures - and they are considered spirit communicators. So it's proven in science that trees and mushrooms communicate via coherent biophoton energy which is what spirit energy is - the mushrooms feed off dead trees and then feed the nitrogen to the living trees.

I think I might occasionally dream but are able to open my eyes, and am wondering whether someone knows what could be going on. Sometimes when I 'crash' on the sofa because I feel tired (e.g. from a meal, although strangely not right after eating but towards the end of the digestive phase) and take a nap, what would happen is that I go into a recurring dream theme of having difficulty opening my eyes. This time that I still remember well, I was only able to occasionally half-open my left eye, with a lot of effort. And I was seeing exactly what I would see when opening that eye awake, lying there on the sofa, part of my arm in the view etc.. And then apparently the typical dream consciousness that likes to pick up impressions subconsciously and work with them couldn't not deal with that strong impression and the dream started revolving around that. Several times I got up in the dream and tried opening my other eye, or sometimes just doing stuff like browsing a catalogue or a video, as if to train my mind to awake to open the eyes by busying it with awake-like stuff. I would use my fingers and try to pull open my eyelid(s), but that didn't succeed. They were just wanting so strongly to stay closed, just like when extremely tired. In another moment I would move my hand(s) in front of that open eye vista and realize that nothing changes about it, that I cannot see my moving hand in front of me, as if the image was burnt in. (But when closing the eye things went black. Then I would actually dream of just having my eyes closed.) Then I would desperately keep seeking and eventually see my own face with eyes within that image, pretty much like that faint reflection of your own eye you have in your glasses if you focus on it, and then I noticed how when moving my hands my eyes (both open) in that reflection would follow the hand, and occasionally the speed of that would increase. So that was definitely the dream component. That reflection then assumed a wider view and I saw a villainous person figure looming over me from behind, not moving (fictional character, likely just symbolic for something) and I did defensive movements with my hands as if to ward him off or beat him up, and that in that moment felt distinctively as if I was out of the dream already, trying to do some 'dream aftercare' just in case. But that was still while asleep. I then woke up and felt very depleted, as usual after I take a sofa nap instead of a proper sleep in my bed. Now, I don't want to go all 'evil spirits' with this, but I think it could still all be an expression of my subconscious that my mind disagrees with being in the sleep state at that time and would much rather be awake. (I am in a prolonged situation where I have a desire to be more active but have trouble finding a path to that.) I find this quite severe. And I'm not sure whether it fits the diagnosis of sleep paralysis or is more like a partial version of the opposite, since I can move an eyelid while fully asleep. (Wikipedia: "Sleep paralysis is when, during awakening or falling asleep, one is aware but unable to move.") Although many descriptions there match.

How to start? In my experience: A simple energetic creative startup practice/spell/working should do it. Pick up a stick or don’t, trace a small inner circle (anywhere convenient to use frequently) then trace a larger circle big enough for you to sit in with the small circle in the center. (the above actions can all be done in your mind if you have the chops/ability to do so without physical aids), (using your feelings/intuition sit comfortably and face the small circle in whatever direction is comfortable or convenient, Note: you may have to change the direction that you face later once you have established a working relationship with your higher self and or your spirit guides.) Frequently walk the outer circle focusing your emotions on the small circle to grow the energy within it (it takes as long as it takes) while focusing/drawing/pushing (hand gestures/mudra is good) all of your intention (with emotional content, cry, laugh, scream) to include but not limited to: anger, frustration, joy, etc... toward the inner circle (make it your temporary world focus). Keep it up day after day until you know/feel that you have generated some *energy. (drawing energy from the earth, is known to sometimes cause bubbling feelings that flow upward through you feet, don’t panic it is normal) (in my experience the work of creation/spell casting is mostly gathering energy, those who do the movements without first creating the energy are only fooling themselves) When you hear a voice or feel a push/desire to sit down facing the small circle it is ready this is your higher self/spirit guide/teacher, telling you that you will achieve some version of (whatever you write in the small circle) (watch for synchronization, start small, creations are subject to the amount of energy that you create, exact picturization/power focus/unbroken intent is required) when ready sit down facing the inner circle. Many paths can be chosen here is an example: *To release the collected energy you will speak a word (or write a word in the small circle), or knock in the circle, or put a focus on any small nearby creature. Should you choose it this will begin your journey on one of several paths. If you speak and or write a word (it will release the creative energy (for whatever)) If you knock 3 times then you will have a dream or vision) If you put your focus on a small creature (like an ant to start), if the ant passes away you can begin experiencing/entering the path of void crossing, while the small creature lives you can experience avatar, communication and control (sometimes called, skin walking, or familiar cultivation. *Remember these are minimal power startups to give you opportunities to receive (experiential knowledge) within the unseen world, do not expect too much and then again you might be surprised-it really all depends on what you are able to receive.

Some things are more real than others. Bums who insist on the solid physical existence of the material universe are just a passing dream.

Unless, of course, it's all just a butterfly's dream.

Well, to declare it as real is just another side of the same coin. The object essentially doesn't exist without a subject to make that declaration. Thus, the pointer is intended to inspire inquiry into who's declaring. For the Self-realized, classifications of real and unreal are as equally meaningless as the separation between subject and object. Even the concept of unity is groundless for one seeing only himself in apparent multiplicity. This post simply attempts to illuminate what's being hinted at when such a one, seeing only himself, says "the world is unreal." He sees only the ever-present Self in all... The sole Subject, wherein worldly phenomena appears as a dream.

I LOLed. Very good. * Cat Vs. Dog — War Of The Diaries The Dog’s Diary 8:00 am - Dog food! My favorite thing! 9:30 am - A car ride! My favorite thing! 9:40 am - A walk in the park! My favorite thing! 10:30 am - Got rubbed and petted! My favorite thing! 12:00 pm - Milk bones! My favorite thing! 1:00 pm - Played in the yard! My favorite thing! 3:00 pm - Wagged my tail! My favorite thing! 5:00 pm - Dinner! My favorite thing! 7:00 pm - Got to play ball! My favorite thing! 8:00 pm - Wow! Watched TV with the people! My favorite thing! 11:00 pm - Sleeping on the bed! My favorite thing! The Cat’s Diary Day 983 of My Captivity My captors continue to taunt me with bizarre little dangling objects. They dine lavishly on fresh meat, while the other inmates and I are fed hash or some sort of dry nuggets. Although I make my contempt for the rations perfectly clear, I nevertheless must eat something in order to keep up my strength. The only thing that keeps me going is my dream of escape. In an attempt to disgust them, I once again vomit on the carpet. Today I decapitated a mouse and dropped its headless body at their feet. I had hoped this would strike fear into their hearts, since it clearly demonstrates my capabilities. However, they merely made condescending comments about what a “good little hunter” I am. Bastards! There was some sort of assembly of their accomplices tonight. I was placed in solitary confinement for the duration of the event. However, I could hear the noises and smell the food. I overheard that my confinement was due to the power of “allergies.” I must learn what this means, and how to use it to my advantage. Today I was almost successful in an attempt to assassinate one of my tormentors by weaving around his feet as he was walking. I must try this again tomorrow, but at the top of the stairs. I am convinced that the other prisoners here are flunkies and snitches. The dog receives special privileges. He is regularly released, and seems to be more than willing to return. He is obviously retarded. The bird must be an informant. I observe him communicate with the guards regularly. I am certain that he reports my every move. My captors have arranged protective custody for him in an elevated cell, so he is safe. For now ... *

Let's see......for most people, meditation can be a frightening experience by itself because your mind is free flowing. Thoughts and unpleasant thoughts would and can emerge. Beings and entities would appear in your visions. Yes, if you can overcome that....it won't harm a bit. You should also need to realize that your meditation result should transfer to your dream visions. It would defeat the purpose of being mindfulness in your meditation but have your mood and perspective being dictated by your dream visions. Of course, you can meditate in your dreams too. Locking your legs in a full lotus position for hours may not be needed. BTW, how did your room mate meditate? Was he in a full lotus position? I would be impressed if he could meditate in a full lotus position for hours and hours.

Assuming it is One Consciousness projected., there still seems to be a gap. The projection has many and it seems to be governed by some rules, like gravity or cause and effect. In the projection, his actions still has impact on the others. Unless we can write off the entire projection as illusion. If we can write it off as illusion, then there is no need for the jivanmukta to show compassion, or help others. When I realize in a dream that I am dreaming, yes I can continue and play along on the dream, but who else is there for me to help wake up? Yet, we see jivanmuktas doing everything they can to help others attain that state. Why should Ramana Maharishi tell others to question who they are?

Anybody that quotes Laozi is fine in my book! My path is different than most; standing in 'Both, same time' enables me to reside in the pleasures (and perils) AND not be encumbered with the outcomes (of either). More simply put - I want what I want, but it doesn't matter if I get it! I enjoy dreaming of Norway AND it does me no harm should it never occur! If an unfulfilled dream (desire) caused me harm or other angst - then any method to try and 'let go' would be useful indeed! I like that we each have our own way, and I wish you well on your path. (-:

I can tell you a couple of things from my own personal experience. Firstly, I found it easier to practice the breathing while I wasn't trying to meditate. So while you're using the computer or reading a book is even better because your mind is elsewhere. Secondly, don't breath from your nose, throat or chest. Breathe through the belly button i.e. no movement or initiation of breathing from anywhere in the upper body allowed! Then when you do try and meditate put yourself in a dream reality where the fabric of spacetime frays and drop your consciousness from your head and into your body, then unchain the soul from the confides of bodily existence and take flight. What I've been doing with my standing exercise is picturing a small rocky waterfall in a forest clearing and seeing glints of sunlight striking the falling water with cool sprays of rainbow halos, then feeling that energy cascade and wash the bodily organs as trillions of particles which then gather in field-beam of lighted plasma - It's a very powerful standing exercise, then at the end I make huge qi balls -- put your palms facing each other about a foot or so apart then breathe in and pull your hands away then when you breath out push your hands together and you'll feel it's like holding something very tangible! Also don't picture the waterfall in your mind, see it from the distance of the edge of the stream, then let the distance fade while the exterior of the body dissolves and actually be the water, smell the freshness of air, hear the sounds of the forest and feel the energy collecting in the beam of light.

The girl "buddha boy" chained up then broke her wrists has a video on kundalini awakening - Some of the things she says ring true, about the experience itself that is, for me. There's a lot of other things she says I don't agree with. EDIT: I just re-watched it and mainly what I disagree with, just going by my own personal experience, is just some of the the things at the start. For me I had a lot of energy in the pelvic region mostly at the front and I thought I'd try the MCO for really the first time so I put some energy at the bottom of the spine and from there it shot up to my head and the second that happened I was in a different world. I opened my eyes and it was like a waking dream with vivid colours in the room and I was filled with warm love energy. I thought I had achieved half the MCO at that point and I still had loads of energy in my pelvic region so I had to concentrate on keeping my consciousness in my head. Every time I forgot about doing that it fell down into the fire again. So I ended having to join this forum to ask where I was supposed to store all that energy LOL Then what happened is my Internet blew out so I couldn't read any of the replies. When you join the forum it says you only have so many posts and I was worried about that so I just put everything in my first post - That was after being celibate for 5 days and reading some of drew's posts. One or two months later and I was in another panic after I realized I could project qi and heal my friend's leg! One or two months after that I was having my face chewed off with huge magnetic forces when my 3rd eye opened plus almost going into levitation when I felt myself going light during the process! Right so you can see in that thread after only two days the only chakra points I couldn't feel were the very top of the head and the 3rd eye. All the rest went warm or hot when I put qi there for the first time. I remember that. Then I posted back here another time and said I felt heat at the 3rd eye when that opened up for the first time. That was after the heart and LDT seemed to have joined and was the only time I felt heat in my head! So I recommend drew's FREE PDF everyone on this forum is trying to censor.