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Hi Steve, I`m a little late to the Dream Yoga party, and just started listening to the free recordings now. Also considering enrolling myself in the Glidewing workshop coming up in a few days. Perhaps you have an opinion: Is the workshop likely to provide something more than I would get simply by listening to these recordings on Facebook?

None of us believe in the supernatural. There is only the natural universe. If our science hasn't probed into some area of reality yet, our ignorance of it doesn't make it supernatural. I wish you the best Small Dream, I hope your practice works out well for you.

Few days ago I had a dream. I was hoping to successfully forget it, but no avail. I cannot say it haunts me, but it does bother me. Dream: Take #1: Me. Life. Surroundings. Any place. All is happy and content. Friends. ( Basically imagine a snapshot of overblown Disneyland commercial in Any Town, USA) Pass through two windows. Look at the square piece of paper ( written in English). Amazed that can read in a dream ( I am aware that I am dreaming in my dreams) Take #2: Me. Life. Surroundings. Any place. All is happy and content. Friends. ( Basically imagine a snapshot of overblown Disneyland commercial in Any Town, USA), but something "feels off". Pass through two windows. Look at the square piece of paper ( written in English). Amazed that can read in a dream ( I am aware that I am dreaming in my dreams), but noticed that words somehow are different. Take #3...to Take #whateverNumber Figured out that pass through the windows and a paper is somehow an "anchor" in a dream and allows to "switch"(?) dimensions. Noted that windows started to have nets on it and an environment was changing from candy-happy to gloomier and gloomier and some people were "chasing"(?) me, but as long as there was a window ( not a mirror), I was able to switch "dimensions". Take #whatever.... to #passedToManyDimensions. At one "dimension" I was at the hotel and someone was chasing me. I tried to use windows to escape, but they put a very strong mesh on it. I had to physically break it and it was painful ( I cut(?) myself). I looked at the square paper and while original writing was there, it still somehow was said with different words ( i.e. actual words had changed, but the square paper is the same). The window this time had metal bars on it and I understood my "candy" dream games are getting "serious". At the last(?) one ( I was not allowed to go?), it was all covered in red ashes. It seemed like there was either a volcano explosion or sun explosion or whatever catastrophe there. Human(?) bodies were everywhere, but everything was dead and covered in ashes. The low sun was rising and red ashes and pink air made everything very eerie. It looked as Nazi camp in 1943, buildings, architecture, dead bodies everywhere. However, there were other "people", who seemed to "hunt" me. Like I was not allowed to just wonder through dimensions. They knew I was doing it. They were the ones(?) who were blocking windows. I was inside of the building. The ashes were two feet deep. I saw rooms and rooms of bunk-beds where skulls were stacked in red ashes. I understood either I am looking at the very deep end of my psych or the future/past of this/alternative worlds where things did not end up well for at least one type of human species. I woke up... ... I was thinking about all this ... as at the beginning it is all "rainbow and candies" and "fun and laughter and happiness", but as soon as you start to travel you realize things are morphing to an opposite side of the spectrum. But what was perplexing me... that "Auswitch camp" in my dream... the skulls... I do not think they were of a modern homo sapience. There were something strange about those humans. My dream had much larger and rounder skulls. It was very odd. .... /***********************************/ p.s. it takes certain knowledge and craziness to "step through the window", because it looks very very real and your acquired self is very concerned about "what if this is not a dream and we are gonna die"? p.p.s There were other "walkers" through the windows, but I did not get a chance to talk to them. I guess it might be a very common thing... From rainbows to skulls and very sharp edges...all in one dream ... and you cannot sell it... so technically he is right : you cannot sell this sh^t. meow...

Small Dream, That is the truth. Literally, all we do is study what John taught Kosta and Jim, and nothing more. What we study is the same as what the Indonesians study, Jim was tested level by level by John himself. About our experiences, we can't talk about them here for obvious reasons. No, we do not think of ourselves as special magical beings as you put it, this is something anyone who puts in the effort with the correct methods can experience. Our experiences are not hallucinatory, nor are they internal feelings. We can answer questions, but not here in this environment. You say you are done and I certainly hope you mean it. I hope your practice works out well for you.

Small Dream, Literally, all we do is review what Chang told Kosta and Jim, and nothing more. That is it. We all practice as much as our lives allow for, and we are all working to do our best to better ourselves and get to a point where we can focus on training full time. Our experiences are not internal feelings. We are doing our best, and if you disagree then you disagree. I hope your practice works out well for you, but you and I are done arguing.

Thanks Cedar Tree that was a timely message that really resonated for me. my dream life has had enormous revelatory power in my process. I often these days walk about anticipating that I will spontaneously awaken in the 'real' world in the same manner I become lucid in my dream world, nightly.

Within certain Buddhist traditions the dream metaphor is used commonly as a teaching technique to help someone understand the "lived reality". The below teaching is from Jackson Peterson who is a Dzogchen teacher. This kind of teaching is also very prevalent in the Zen tradition such as Gyobutsuji Zen Monastery. Imagine at night that you find yourself in a dream facing a tiger, you are in complete fear. Then suddenly the dream ceases and you are not in the dream nor awake, and no new dream has yet started. There is not even the consciousness of you being present. Then suddenly a new dream starts and you are mountain climbing. The view is beautiful and you feel serene. Then the dream ceases . There is no longer any "you" or sense of presence; just an empty blank, not noticed. Then the next dream arises... Between the dreams no continuing self carried over from the dream into the empty blank moment between the dreams. When the next dream started a completely new self appeared that had no connection to the previous self. That self lasted only as long as each dream. Likewise during our "waking" day, a complete sense of self as who we seem to be, is arising and completely disappearing in every second. There is no continuing "you" as an entity that is continuing from moment to moment. Each moment is a new daydream "me" unconnected to the previous momentary "me". There is no self identity that continues from moment to moment nor from lifetime to life time. But because the moments of the "me" projection occur so closely together, the mind creates the illusion of a continuing "me". When we sit in quiet meditation, and just observe the mental activity, it's possible to notice how the "me" is just the current thought "me", with no single "me" as a continuing entity bridging the gaps between the "me" thoughts. This is noticed when the mind's activity slows way down naturally. By recognizing the non-existence of a continuing "me", nothing could exist as "mine". Which "me" do things belong to if no "me" actually exists in time, as an owner? Who owns the "karma"? What karma? If the "me" is just a momentary inanimate thought with no autonomy and no duration, "who" ever did anything? Seeing this clearly; hasn't samsara lost its foundation completely? Seeing this clearly, who is there to enter nirvana? Finding no one to be in, or ever had been in samsara, and not finding anyone remaining to enter nirvana; what greater nirvana could there be?

If you see things that way, then so be it. I've tried to be as polite as possible while expressing a different way of seeing things. Goodbye Small Dream, and I hope your practice works out well for you.

Emptiness is this. You have a dream, you meet there something, eat something, have fun, sex or anything but when you woke up from that after night and realized that was only a dream without substances that's emptiness. This existence is too empty like a dream and you can realize the same way to wake up. I wish everybody could experience it.

Small Dream, Traveling around the world to take someone to a random location, strip them to their underwear, and check them with metal, even if they are rumored to be a "master" is an expensive proposition. If you accept what John said was correct and that there were a handful like him on earth then, the odds of finding such a teacher randomly are astronomically small. I also wouldn't put in the time, effort and money unless I could bring my own team of scientists and medical doctors to convince others, no one in my group would accept my personal testimony because that isn't good enough for us. We are all quite content to complete what we have been given before looking for anything more. I can't have this conversation with you with a straight face, you go find those people and take them off our hands for us We have to keep the trolls and unbalanced people out of our forum otherwise, we wouldn't be able to breathe. Having constant arguments because of clashing epistemologies, and ideologies isn't conducive for the type of environment we want. We do this free of charge and in our spare time, so we have to limit the amount of drama and conflict we deal with. The other option which I think you would like better is to not have a forum at all, and help no one.

I read something very interesting by Eckhart Tolle that's given me an exciting new idea about awakening to ultimate reality. He said that our thoughts 'are not true absolutely'. He wasn't just talking about value judgments or opinions, but nearly ALL of our thoughts. I've learned that love is all there really is and that everything is really perfect. Fear, attack, and badness are only illusions. They're part of the DREAM WORLD. So, if we have the thought, 'I'm feeling kind of anxious today,' we can remind ourselves that anxiety (fear) is only an illusion. If we think, 'That was very unkind of him,' we can remember that lack of love and attack aren't real. Or if we see on the news that something 'unfortunate' happened, we can know that badness is an illusion and that everything is happening as it should. I was already aware of this approach to awakening, but after reading that teaching from Eckhart Tolle, it occurred to me just how much of my thinking acknowledges the dream world as real, rather than as an illusion.

how small a dream ?

Why did Indian Buddhism attack Tibetan Bon? From this documentary it seems Buddhism was very active in trying to completely erase Tibetan Bon tradition and it's teachings, which weren't so dissimilar, also Buddhist attempts of making Bon seem primitive/Barbarian etc. Why is it around 2500 years ago you have these religions springing up hell bent on destroying native/ Pagan traditions the world over? In Europe it was Judeo-Christianity attacking Paganism. In Asia it appears Buddhism played that role. It's as though 2500 odd years ago a well organised group wanted to destroy/re-write history, take large parts of it as it's own and veil other things. I lucid dreamed awhile ago being a monk and leaving a temple, for some reason this seems connected. The landscape seems similar ^ There was conflict between groups in this dream as with ^ I didn't want to be part of it. I was gifted 12 golden candles though I didn't accept them, putting them in a cupboard in the monastery and left.

Small Dream, As I said we think different, and see the world differently. We don't want teachers to do anything, we just aren't interested in what they have to offer until we have "evidence that is objective" with scientists and medical doctors present to rule out fraud. As to the purpose of the system, or our goals, I don't believe I've discussed that here for a reason. Feel free to make something up though so you can attack us for it. We do not "want to be Goku" and do our best to screen out anyone with that mindset. Again you and I have reached the limit of what polite conversation can accomplish. I hope your practice serves you well, and that you have a wonderful and rewarding life, but we are done here.

Small Dream, I hope whatever you practice works out for you, but I'm not interested in talking to you further.

The suffering is not real. It's a dream and we mistakenly consider the dream to be real

when you open up more then the 'creating family' you see that as a mental formation. Person will follow it like a dream, but if you get more clear about things you see it is like an option, there is absolutely no need to do it while at the same time you feel still desire to do it. If you mediate you will see impermanence of nature. And not have to delete war or have more love, its you need see how these are not you but formations.

Unfortunately Small Dream we will have to agree to disagree.

So you are dreaming that you are suffering and not knowing that you are dreaming makes the suffering "real". If you were to realize that it is only a dream, would you continue to suffer? In my experience, realizing the dream-like nature of our waking world really neutralizes the suffering. Sure body will continue to feel pain as long as it is there, but it is not suffering (as in anguish and torment). We create our own suffering through our misidentification.

i go for the dream version that this reality is dream. But i am a dream side character not the main. i have seen all kinds of dreams, so it would make sense that there is variety.

Are you saying that is rebirth possible and how it influences the MIND TRANSMISSION??? From my own experiences and intuitive insights, rebirth is necessary for mind transmission. Same for the Taoist system. I mean....I completed my MCO when I woke up from a dream. What I was dreaming?? The Han dynasty and seeing two "brothers" dressed in Han traditional clothing. I woke up and had my first kundalinie energy rising or completed my MCO. The rest was history....... In the Tao, there was no rebirth. The Tao was and is always there in the past, in the present, and in the future.

If we had 100+ members who could stand toe to toe with this nonsense, then I think we could turn the tide. We don't so we can't. Maybe one day though, we can dream right?

it will make that way i can life through karma in my mind and dreams. Getting connections how one thing is related to another, seeing that they are easier to go through makes it worth the temporal low moments in RL I got insight to the head processes after that session. And some other things. Lessening my wrong thinking gradually. --- Apparently i am rich and have a something cool is lived through a dream.

If you feel that way Small Dream, the solution is simple my friend find something else you like better. There is no reason to keep arguing, I've asked nicely for you to please stop, so I will ask again, please stop. Best wishes.

It is one thing to listen to the personal testimony of others, and quite another to see for yourself, believe what you like Small Dream, I am not here to argue with you. Best wishes.