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What I experienced and described would rather disagree - and I say so because while I was stabilizing that whole process, the slightest waver in the attention would let the energy-dynamic at the niwan wobble just enough...earlier on in the process it would disturb my heart rate, but then one learns how 'heartmind' applies to that dynamic.....after a while, perturbation would simply engender random thought.....after a further while, I could detect the perturbation when it happened but really highly detailed......after a further while, I was able to prevent the perturbation from "percolating" and leaving the niwan (like squeezing the balloon but then relaxing the hand)......after a further while, there was maybe only the slightest whisper above the surface of the water.... when everything's stable, the sensory input is at maximal efficiency - this is what I likened to "transforming the resonant mode of the senses from yang to yin" just as it is taught the solid line becomes the broken line. at that stage, the neural & muscle memory does carry forth into sleep and sleep's almost always deeply peaceful, dreamless, motionless - and perchance a dream does happen, its one of those epics that can last what seems like months and perhaps teaches you something important. having shut all that up to such an extent, I can confidently for myself say that awareness is not a function of the brain - the brain is the platform upon which awareness interfaces.

Awareness is a function of our brain. Do we still have thoughts without the inspiration of sensory input? I say "yes" because we dream while sleeping and we have sporadic thoughts arise without input.

So how's this "revolution" of yours taking place, tjl? Like I said to ralis before, such a thing would only happen under a massive collapse of society along the lines of a great natural catastrophe. You're not going to bring socialism or whatever the hell transmogrified version of it you're championing to the USA. A loud 8-10% of the population that's had their minds poisoned by leftist ideologies isnt going to change the Constitution so fundamentally. Leftists may "have their heart in the right place" but unfortunately its tough to direct your heart when your head is up your ass! You guys cant even understand (or dont even begin to attempt to read) my analogies, put words in my mouth, then speak as if capitalism is something we vote for or against! Surprise, even if your socialist haven happens, it will still largely run on capitalism. I dont know where the hell you guys get the idea that you can just change fundamental things about society because a few of you feel a couple things are unfair. At least ralis had a couple decent ideas that he put forth, but something tells me that's only the beginning for people of such mindset. Compassion will roll its way into everyone's lives, yes - from the government above, mandating a thousand other ways they believe you should be compassionate - what, then when the new politburo starts doing things you dont like? I find it downright laughable that you mention the american dream - if you toxic hacks get your wishes, the american dream truly will be dead. Just because there are a few things people have taken advantage of does not mean the entire paradigm is rotten or that it doesnt work for....99%, its those 1% crybaby, most of which are ticked off at being told they can be anything they wish then when they go into house-level debt for a piece of paper that says they know stuff and find that their chosen major is basically unemployable, its time to blame the top 1% of earners??? Yeah that's the ticket, dont claim any personal responsibility for your decision, its not your fault you picked what you wanted, everyone else did too, and now you discover that there's something called market forces that ascribe a certain value to a certain job being performed! Sorry TJL, the only time it is going to happen that almost all jobs are flattened in pay is in the apocalypse. Such simple things which drive the entire society, you just wish to change so that "somebody busting their ass mowing lawns 12 hours a day can earn a decent living." No, you guys want to destroy all notions of value - and dont understand how that directly translates to the complete destruction of society - and also dont understand how that isnt going to happens without the apocalypse! Its consistent, I'll give you that. Consistently skewed. The bottom 1% still have it far better than the bottom 20% most everywhere else, but that's not enough - I dont know what is outside of global socialism and every bit of everything is shared amongst everybody. But since that's not going to happen now we're going to be extended into the position of having to have the country's wealth spread over the entire globe, yes? Heard that one before too. It just does not stop until you have fkn Star Trek style society, only without the myriad technological underpinnings that make such a society viable in the least. That you think that will happen in our lifetimes without some truly exemplary technological achievements is laughable, it makes you guys sound extremely naive. Good luck pushing that cart sans horse. Gonna tire quickly! I could continue to destroy the arguments piece by piece and give real world examples of why the fundamentals of our society work as they do, but this is frankly consuming too much of my time and by the time I'm done here I dont want to look at a screen, so actual fruitful efforts are impacted. Not to mention, the couple of you remind me of Pee-Wee Herman, any point I make you guys simply claim the opposite "I know you are but what am I?" and then bring on the ad hominem attacks and sound the refrain of the 1% who destroyed everything. (Except you've got the wrong 1%, not to mention your hatred of the system blinds you to even being open to seeing how things work - you claim you know how things work, yet you can only fix it by destroying it? Doesnt sound like you guys know what the heck you're talking about, if you want to fix something, you dont destroy it.) Skewed to the last. Good luck with that whole overthrowing society thing fellas! Just curious, how does that mean you'll vote this time around? Certainly not a restorative vote I gander, even though TJL laughingly gives lip service to the american dream and restoring the country to what it used to be - you'll vote for Obama so the wrecking of the country's finances can commence, furthering the country from what it has been, what it was founded upon. Dont worry, we're good for the bill. I know its way more than we make in a year, but we'll pay it back. *wink, wink* It will continue until Greece looks good, the % of people on govt assistance is large enough to ensure continued votes for government assistance well over the horizon! Heck of a vision, fellas, heck of a vision. Its a turd wrapped in compassion cellophane. Hey, they....WE just bailed out Greece again...aint gonna be anybody to bail us out if we go down though, did that ever occur to yas? Who's going to pay for all of the welfare and social security and all of those nice to have byproducts of a successful society? Meanwhile, the Obama administration seals the ATF murder records to cover up their shot at undermining the second amendment, assign the worst spendthrifts to the "debt commission"...and havent done a budget in three years. Barney runs free leaving a wake of IOU-bills nobody has any idea how they'll get paid! But yeah, its those 1% earners. Not congress, not the federal govt writ large, not the state legislatures, not the local townships - Stossel said something funny the other day, its almost as if the way people run government its as if they WANT you to be poor, only ever really propping up those whom are already established. Tell me, is your socialist utopia going to fix government at EVERY level? Or is it just going to flatten out pay and stuff, and...the rest..will..just..go to plan? *waits for more ad hominem remarks*

Frm people's accounts of those experiences, I always thought sleep paralysis is only when you really feel like your body is paralyzed ... for which you'd have to have a tactile sense - to feel your body. In my case, there wasn't even the question of body paralysis, because I wasn't completely there. When I tried to move my arm, I didn't feel like "Darn! I can't move my arm!", but I could move it in the somewhat dreamy world. I could manifest my intention to move my arm and I could perceive it moving somewhere ... like in a dream. That difference - if it's not just people using a bad way of describing it - might be why I didn't feel like panicking. I wasn't incapacitated. When you're in the dream world, you don't miss the ability to move your real body. The dream is real while dreaming.

All this makes me wonder if mankind goes deeper into his imaginations and technologies in proportion to his lack of comprehension of himself. He cannot make progress with himself, so he causes trouble elsewhere. i is more i-candy for the mind. The never ending mind-pain whirling around. "Scientists" today are so mental and dull, like crazed monkeys on steroids competing to push their mind even faster, compared to the brightness and soul-journey-ness of the Ancient Greeks. In general humans don't value real numbers, they don't value reality, they don't sense reality, life is one long dream-nightmare.

Unfortunately this is not the case. In fact I have noticed Mooji and Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev still currently alive doing the same thing. They have been "teaching" for many years but they notice it doesn't work. Osho likewise died saying "I leave you my dream". Being realised and understanding your realisation to teach are 2 different things. Of course you can inspire and even transmit energy, but real explaining is for a select group of rare teachers. Additionally the Daoist path does not seek understanding through "conscious intelligence" like the Indian teachers. It seems geared towards energetic "understanding" or instinct. But .... people get realised every day on Earth. Most of them you will never hear about. The big flocks of seekers and teachers etc... give a silly view of what is really happening. It is available to you if you want it and are willing to pay the price. If so, then it is simple.

a few weeks ago cat pointed out a site or two that sold orgonite. I bought like 150 bucks worth of shit.. and I am veeerryyy pleased... I just took it out of th ebox... There is one piece specifically, I don't know what is in it, what it's called, or anything.. but it is verrrry powerful. resting it on my dan tien or holding it to my chest causes immediate energetic reaction. I also got two of the 'dream enhancers'.. I will post here my experience with them here after tonight. (they're literally garunteed to produce vivid dreaming...) can anyone else verify my experience with the orgonite? or share their own experiences?

Non-duality is a shift in perception......not something to think endlessly about. However we have to be carefull here....the first shift in perception (awakening to the pure awarness that is experienced as the source of all) can very well be a great shift and feel like "the end" but there is usually sublte duality there. If the experience is that the world or creation is an ilusion or just a dream then we have this subtle dualism (the "true" unmanifest and the "illusory" creation) only with deepening into awareness, more clearing and refinement and further shifts do we come to a true unity where the unmanifest and the manifest creation are exactly the same and hence forth a true unity. To the alchemy: there are very old methods of neidan that still use xing and ming (xing and ming is a more primordial form of yin and yang and has to be merged in the process). The "methods of the first emperors" is one of them.....and these old neidan has a more powerful alchemical principle than most of the "newer" neidan forms (or better said ...less obscured alchemical principle). Are there writtings about that? Yes inside some schools not official...BUT there are writings from the tamil siddhas and they had masters much further back in time and they have a system called vaasi yoga that is very similiar to neidan. (and uses these alchemical principles). best

I've gotten into lucid dreaming, and one of the things that I wanted to do in a lucid dream was to contact my spirit guide. The first dream I successfully became lucid in, I said, "where's my spirit guide, i want to meet my spirit guide." Suddenly I met this figure in my dream, I was "sucked" across the room and was standing toe to toe with him, looking right into his eyes. My heart started to beat really fast and I could feel it thumping in my chest, it was quite intense.... then I had a false awakening (you are still dreaming but don't realize it) in which I was trying to investigate the dream. So basically, I got the feeling I should back off, which I did. I started to meditate more seriously, and then did some studying up on western magick, stuff like protection circles, how to defend yourself against psychic attacks. It basically comes down to willpower. If you will for something to not bother you, it won't. But when you are facing spirits or things from the depths of your own mind, that willpower can be hard to pull together. I asked around about this not too long ago on some other forums, and I got a variety of responses. The general consensus is that when meeting someone or something from another realm, or another composition.... well it's not like meeting another human on the sidewalk, it's new, there's a huge element of the unknown. If you walk into a crowded room and everyone turns around to look at you with an awkward silence, your body might start to react (heart pumping). If you meet someone from another plane, your body might start to react! That doesn't necessarily mean it's DANGEROUS, it's just new and unknown. So that advice, coupled with a lot more personal development on my part, led me to try again with lucid dreaming and spirit guides. The results weren't what I expected, but I haven't had (too much) trouble in things freaking me out or anything like that. So I'd say read up on the subject, gather as much info as you can, then mentally fortify yourself, and try again later.

But what if there is no real loss or gain of consciousness? What if I neither wake nor dream, nor sleep? What if consciousness just happens to me? What if, I'm aware throughout all of its changing states? If consciousness seems to appear and disappear in me... is it "unreal"?

Let me tell you about a dream I had. In the dream I realized I was dreaming, and got excited, like "Ooo, I wonder what I can do now that I know I'm dreaming." But before I could try anything, the entire dream dissolved into nothingness, everything went black and I began feeling a wave of bliss. Consciously, I was ready to jump right in, but I felt myself tensing up, completely involuntarily and unconsciously, and in an instant I was awake. So your advice, however good, does not speak to the issue I was referring to. It is an automatic reflex. If anyone knows how to deal with that, please let me know. EDIT: Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate you posting what you did. It's really something that I need to be meditating on. Actually, those kinds of ideas have been on my mind a lot since I began studying with Mark, alternatively haunting and exhilarating me. Which it is is a good litmus test for me to use on myself... Now this, is something I would love if you would speak more about. I'm sorry, but I really can't relate to this statement. Perhaps it is a life experience thing?

Well, can you feel energy? Is it real? Can you think, are your thoughts real? When you meet people are they real beings? Can you prove it that you are not inside a virtual game or a dream right at this moment of time? I have travelled spirit planes and learned a lot from non-human entities, they were much more real than anybody here and possesed tremendous knowledge and abilities about space time principles. Searching for real in beginners often switches into a search for the depths of personal ignorance. There is a sunyata buddha philosophy that denies the reality of a matter, of human, and life, of time, of death and all other things that are open for perception. What you can perceive cannot be real, is only a perception, a virtual information.

It's true that a lot of Buddhist texts suggest that you should view reality as 'like a dream' and so on. Which suggest illusion. But if you think about it - when you are dreaming it is completely real. So the advice can be a bit misleading. Illusion is a bad word to use as it suggests faulty perception. It would be better to say it is not as it seems. But also that in an ordinary everyday sense it is as it seems - it is conventionally true provided your perception is not faulty. In terms of things, what is being said is that they do not exist in and of themselves and the existence they don't have is an eternal and indestructible selfhood. They are more like effects arising in a flow - a bit like the river which is never the same one moment to the next - but no-one would say there is no river - it is more a debate about what the river actually is. If you said that the phenomena you observe has an eternal indestructible self - and you allow the same selfhood for yourself - then you have duality.

But this all fake because it implies that I see, when in fact there is no I. There is only what's happening. It's like a dream, when you dream you get shot and dying or somethign...and you're all panicky and tragicky and then you wake up and realize that it was all you, lol.

I'm a pragmatist. We're paying money now, in terms of food stamps, subsidized housing, huge emergency care bills. There is a chance that in some cases a UBI would be a similar payment and could spark the independence needed to rise out of poverty. That's what this man posits. It's worked in a small town Canada. Don't know if it'd work in the US, but it might be worth some trials to find out. I understand some think living poor or on wellfare is the dream. I suspect for many or most, its not. That they'd like to find alternative. Here's the video. Worth watching.

You are simply wrong. You say all things do their life without complaint or claiming ownership. But the obvious reality is that plants try to kill those who feed on them because they claim ownership to their own life. All creatures do and they fight to the death to claim ownership not only of their own lives but their territory and possessions. The only thing that is given is fruit because of reciprocal maintenance. That is given freely because it also helps the plant, that is the only thing. Human have a really weird interpretation of nature like it's a fairy story where "everything is in harmony". Yes, it's a kind of harmony bloody war of eating each other alive and killing each other's children and fight to the death. The plants do not have our kind of consciousness so it has a different feeling to it. The plants are unconscious (in fact sub-conscious). And this feels dreamy like all asleep. And perhaps that is where you would like to be, asleep. Well perhaps it's not far to go !!! Humans are too dumb to notice the poison barbs the plants are stick out to kill anyone who tries to feed. It spoils their dream.

Faith is the driver of potentiality. This life is nothing short of a summoning current of consciousness-expanding insight. We exist as frequencies. You must take a stand against illusion. It is in unfolding that we are recreated. The fusion of interconnectedness is now happening worldwide. The biosphere is approaching a tipping point. You and I are spiritual brothers and sisters of the multiverse. We grow, we self-actualize, we are reborn. Nothing is impossible. Where there is suffering, learning cannot thrive. Turbulence is the antithesis of coherence. You may be ruled by dogma without realizing it. Do not let it eradicate the truth of your story. The nexus is radiating supercharged waveforms. The goal of electromagnetic resonance is to plant the seeds of intuition rather than suffering. Truth is the healing of knowledge, and of us. Only a traveller of the dreamtime may harmonize this current of health. We can no longer afford to live with ego. Without grace, one cannot dream.

Second opinion time with another western MD first. This first guy is not doing u justice. I’m an RN and not sure what is going on with you but it sounds like it could be serious, not that it is, you just need to rule out any concerning pathology before pursuing alternative medicine. A TCM doctor is a great idea after you rule this out. A good one is very hard to find most are bumbling new age idiots but they are out there I had to go to 5 different ones in my area to find one that knows his stuff, time consuming and expensive but even though I’m an RN I prefer TCM for most conditions, just the way it is. Western medications cause spiraling intertwined side effects. Qigong is not the answer to cure you of a disease, I used to dream that was true but it’s not. You need a healing modality in coordination with it. You are throwing darts at a board with all the things u are doing, you just need a QB to find an effective play for you that works, then continue to practice qigong to rebuild and maintain. Good luck and don’t give up on finding an answer anywhere u need to look.

In the practice of sleep yoga, the objective is to enter into sleep in such a way that full awareness is present in deep sleep in the absence of dream. This is referred to as the clear light of sleep - pure awareness resting in the absence of external or internal phenomena. I had the same question during retreat - how could there be awareness or memory of awareness in the absence of phenomena as a frame of reference? How would one know it had occurred? How would a memory be created out of an experience of nothing? My teacher's answer was - practice enough and perhaps you will see for yourself. The truth is that it simply is. Awareness of nothing is not nothing, it is awareness of openness. In Bön dzogchen terminology it is referred to as the inseparability of emptiness and clarity. In the experience of the clear light of sleep there is clear awareness present in boundless openness - life a spark of light floating in infinite space.

Well, I practice Taoist Dream Yoga, which is similar to, but different from Lucid Dreaming. Unfortunely< I have never had a great deal of sucess with it. I can never seem to make the transition from being in a dream state to being aware, I'm actually in a dream state. I think I always get too excited, at the point where, I become aware I'm in a dream state and then wake up. So I would say calmness plays a big part. The few times I have made it work, I have found it to be very productive. I would love to be able to do it consistently, and be able to work on things during the hours which, I am sleeping. Bu

That's interesting Mark. I know that if I travel a lot (not vacation, where it's the opposite) I prefer to stay in places that pretty much look the same all over, to avoid that 'Where the hell am I?' moment that can really give me a start upon waking. When dreaming, there are also points at which it's not obvious to me that I am dreaming. So I sort of 'wake up' inside the dream and go 'phew it's a dream, this is ok then'. Sometimes it takes a bit of effort, a struggle ensues to 'wake up' inside the dream. So I'm wondering if we tacitly 'know' we are dreaming and just go ahead with it (because otherwise we'd wake up).

Ohhhh.. the butterfly dream is in the Inner ones?? My bad.

Once was when I was having an OBE, I saw my sleeping body. On another occasion I was walking down the road and saw myself laying on a grass verge starring into the headlights of the passing cars. On one occasion I was in a dream, lucid, and was outside my body whilst viewing myself as a priest in Victorian times, it was a bit like watching a movie but I was in it watching myself. I felt like a sphere of consciousness and what was even more strange was that I was sharing the consciousness of the priest so was kind of in two places at once as well as in a dream! As for your experiences, perhaps these people who are wheelchair bound have learnt how to have OBE's and have blurred their reality? I've heard stories about people in prison that learn how to lucid dream.

dreaming and not dreaming. speaking and not speaking. What do one do when one dreams, What do one do when one speaks, Confucius is portray as the Dreamer; so does Master Timid Magpie. Dreaming has its boundaries; to dream is to set this boundaries to dream is to see this boundaries to dream is to be this boundaries not-dreaming no boundaries not-dreaming not to set boundaries not-dreaming not to see boundaries not-dreaming not to be this boundaries so such is with thinking, speaking, wording. just temporary boundaries, meanings are temporary. thus it is useful to know the unknowing. thus it is harmful to don't know the knowing.

Lol... I believe you mean you mean... Simple answer buried under GIANT HEAP OF 多言數窮！ By the way, in fact I do not "want a 'Western' verification of Laozi." Have you not noticed that I'm the dude suggesting you to try and see this from the perspectives of what the classics written in Chinese say and what the living Daoists of China, Taiwan, and elsewhere teach? I guess that is hard to notice when you're weighed down by the sheer heaviness of light (no wonder I'm tired all the time--it's this fucking light on my shoulders!!!!) and various other conundrums that evidently Daoism is really all about. Sigh. But not to despair! Suddenly I am reminded of a song--let us sing! Now how does it go? Something like... Push push push your boat Forcefully up the stream Wearily wearily wearily wearily Why can't I wake from this dream? (Cue the tubas) Shit, I need more vocal lessons, I think my imperfect C might've knocked the moon out of its orbit (again). Anyway, speaking of rivers, to keep wagging our jaws about this would be a bit too much being like the two fish on the sand of yore, lovingly spitting on each other to try and keep each other's scales wet. Ah, truly a romantic way to spend one's qi, and yet, well, I see the river over there, so you know what I think I'm just gonna flop on in and get lost in the water. Remember, if that light gets too heavy for ya, you might try not dragging that suitcase around everywhere you go... Ta-ta!