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Hi, I would like to start a practice thread or a cultivation thread is what you call it. Thanks!

Hi. A decade and a half ago I first heard about “John Chang” aka The Magus of Java. I know that many people in the forum are aware of him, and since I recently got to Ubud, Bali, I am wondering if anyone knows of a local school similar to the one he had in Java, that involves Nei Gong or Tenaga Dalam. Also, does anyone have any recommendations for a respectable Manku/Balinese priest who’s willing to share knowledge about the Balinese esoteric tradition? I’m aware that there are many who offer to teach a kumbaya version of it to New Age tourists, I’m hoping to get a chance of meeting someone honest who knows theirs tradition. Thanks in advance for your time, Vuk

Good day folks! I tried to look into common history of qigong and yogic asanas (the physical bit of yoga), and so far has had no luck with google. I have just two pieces of information. -- Qigong seems to have been fairly evolved by 2nd century BC. That's the dating of the silk scrolls depicting qigong practice. -- Around the same time period, there is the earliest written mention of asanas, albeit without specific examples. That's all I've been able to find. The google search of a common history keeps leading me to yoga and qigong comparisons, but I'm not interested in that. I want to learn about their common history, if there is one. Perhaps they have a common ancestor? Perhaps they originated completely separately? Perhaps we know nothing? Best wishes, Anton

Please give any suggestions you might think of that can add to this scientific study of Energy Cultivation and Chi. Negative ion generator experiment: Below is a schematic for a negative ion generator. A negative ion generator is an electronic device that converts a low voltage battery into a high voltage low current signal. The input power plug will be connected to four 9V batteries in series. The high voltage output creates a purple plasma from ionizing the air. The ground for the output will be connected to earth ground through a metal tack connected to the bottom of a shoe. The output will be connected to a dense nonmetallic object, under a hat at the top of the head. Warning, do not connect the output directly to the skin. A metallic pad connected to the output and directly in contact with the skin will cause electric burns on the skin, scabs and scars. Hypotheses: External projection of Chi is similar to electrostatic on the skin of the body, in that it can attract and repel small pieces of paper, and other small objects like sand. The first time I showed the Energy Cultivators my device moving small pieces of paper, they were able to measure the energy using a three finger pulse diagnosis on my wrist while the device was on. They could tell the energy was only on the skin, and it did not have “life” as their Chi does. That leads me to believe Chi is similar to electrostatic energy, but electrostatic energy changes when it enters the body and travels through the organs, meridian, and channels of the body (Like how water changes to urine after passing through the body). Energy Cultivators can store energy in their body and project it out of their body by increasing their blood pressure, muscle contraction, and tendon contraction. By bringing a stronger negative ion generator to the Energy Cultivators and having another person use the three finger pulse on my wrist while the device is on we will be able to compare electrostatics to Chi. Purpose: By comparing the observable effects of Chi with the known effects of electrostatics, we can compare and contrast how they are similar and how they are different. Ion polarity experiment: A battery powered negative ion generator could be used to measure the polarity of Chi. The Energy Cultivator would project Chi out of their hand onto a metal rod. The metal rod is connected to a metal plate. The positive and negative end of the negative ion generator is connected to a movable metal pad near the large plate. The test equipment will be tested with known charged materials like glass and silk. Hypotheses: If Chi is positively charged it will repel the positive plate and attract the negative plate. If Chi is negatively charged it will repel the negative plate and attract the positive plate. If Chi is neutrally charged it will attract both plates. If Chi repels both plates it is a new force. If Chi attracts the first plate and repels the second plate then, after a time, attracts the second plate and repels the first plate then Chi alternates between positive and negative charges. Purpose: The polarity of Chi would give great insight of the properties of Chi. Based on the result of this experiment equipment could be made to simulate the charge of Chi in order to reproduce the effects of Chi. Controlled plant experiment: Number 1 is a negative ion generator ground in the pot, and hanging above the sprouting plant. Number 2 is the control, with the negative ion generator grounded in the pot, and the output hanging over the plant, but with the negative ion device not turned on. Number 3 has the negative ion generators ground plugged into the earth ground, and the output in the dirt of the potted plant. Number 4 has the negative ion generators ground plugged into the earth ground, and the output touching the plant. Hypotheses: A plant will grow faster/larger if exposed to negative ions. This experiment will show how negative ions promote growth of living things. A more accurate experiment could be performed by replacing the plants with a human meditators. Purpose: Energy cultivation in humans is done by meditating outside with dirt below and sky above. Thunderclouds produce an electrostatic charge that living things respond to. Thunderclouds are usually accompanied by rain, so plants prepare to absorb moisture and nutrients during rainy seasons and high charges in the atmosphere. Energy Cultivation in humans absorb energy from nature. With this experiment we can show how living things take in energy from their environment. If 1, 3, or 4 respond better than 2 then, there might be a way to use negative ion generators to decrease the time it takes to store energy in the human body using traditional meditation techniques. Electric acupuncture experiment: Use an electrical device to push energy under the skin and into the meridians associated with energy cultivation. Daily electrical acupuncture would be used to speed up the process of energy cultivation. Yearly to bi-yearly examinations from a professional energy cultivator would be used to prevent injury and confirm progress has been accelerated. Hypotheses: Energy cultivators can share energy by projecting Chi externally from their bodies and injecting it into the meridians of another person through acupuncture points. By using an electrical device and acupuncture needles daily, the user could take less time to store energy in the body than tradition methods. Purpose: If energy cultivation can be sped up with electrical acupuncture that would explain the energy the body is taking in from the environment, and there would be more test subjects for experiments. Sweet water chemical test: Energy cultivators are able to turn normal water sweet by projecting Chi outside their body, as seen in this video: This is a summary of another group that tested the sweet water from master Jiang Feng: “Jiang used his qi to transform ordinary bottled water that we purchased; the seal on the bottles had not been broken or tampered with in any way. These are the results that Professor Heimo Breiteneder a geneticist of the Vienna academy observed after analyzing the qi water and the crystals within, “In comparison to untreated water, the one energized by the master contains a major peak of a small compound (379 Dalton) and two minor peaks of equally small molecular weights (365 and 380 Dalton). The masses were determined by mass spectrometry but the molecules could not be identified by comparison with data stored in that machine, where millions and millions of molecule’s structure are kept! All existing sugars were compared and it is NOT any of them, neither a compound, so we can conclude it is not a sugar molecule. Glucose has 180 Dalton, saccharose has 342 Dalton so forth and so on...We will try to go to Munich where one of the biggest and most accurate of these mass spectrometers is located. Another possibility would be to try to get into a facility with nuclear magnetic resonance and try to convince somebody to work on the sample. In any case, this is quite interesting, using qi to create a certain unknown sweet tasting molecule.”” Below are two charts from a sweet water sample I got from Master Jiang Feng in March 2014. The results show there were no chemicals recognizable on the chemical database. It was as if testing plane water. Later I was told that the Chi added to the water to make it sweet only lasts about a day, then the Chi escapes and the water tastes like normal water. Hypotheses: Chi can be projected outside the body causing the nearby air and water to become sweet for a time. When the Chi is being projected form the body the Chi is on the molecular scale that is why it cannot been seen and why it can pass through the molecules of the plastic bottle. Purpose: If we find a chemical in the water that turns it sweet, and can compare that chemical to something in the environment, we can conclude that the energy cultivation technique takes that element from the environment and is used in energy cultivation. Not only would we better understand Energy Cultivation, but with knowledge of a cause for the effect, we can experiment with adding that chemical to water and see if it causes the same sweet result. If the chemical alone does not make the water sweet maybe heat, or electrolysis is another component to the sweet water infusion. If we understand the process perfectly we will be able to create a machine to duplicate the sweet water process and that would be a new technology that could be sold to companies to replace sugar, and other artificial sweeteners. Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulators (TENS) experiment: A TENS unit simulates muscle spasms seen in energy projection to patients. TENS unit is the use of electric current produced by a device to stimulate the nerves for therapeutic purposes. The first picture shows a TENS unit. The second picture shows ‘PossesedHands’ nerve stimulation device similar to a TENS unit. The third picture shows an Energy Cultivator on the left projecting Chi into the person on the right and causing their muscles to contract. Hypotheses: A TENS unit causes similar muscle contractions as the electric like energy projected from Energy Cultivators. A TENS unit could be brought to the Energy Cultivators and demonstrated on them for them to feel and judge if it is similar or different to the energy they use. Purpose: By replicating the observed effects of Chi we get closer to better understanding Chi and creating better machines that more closely replicate the effects of Chi. Several multimeters experiment: Use several multimeters connected with one input, a metal rod for the Energy Cultivator to grab, and ground measuring AC voltage, DC voltage, and current could be used to get a physical measurement of the energy projected. Analog versions of the multimeters should be used too, since digital meters might be damaged by the Chi flowing through it while analog meters are more robust. A multimeter was tested on John Chang from the Lawrence Blare documentary and they said they could not get any readings because Chi is not electricity. With the advances in technology and with proper test equipment I believe Chi can be measured. Laser, Mirror, Balloon experiment: Chi has the properties of heat and it can be concentrated to a point to be like a laser. A thermal camera could be used to see the projection of Chi outside the body that the human eye cannot see. An experiment could be built to see if the laser like properties of Chi acts like a light wave or a particle. If Chi acts as a light it will bounce off the mirror and pop the blue balloon, but if Chi acts as a particle it will damage the mirror/pop the red balloon. Hypotheses: I think Chi projected at a mirror will pass through the particles of the mirror and pop the red balloon. Since Chi is exiting the body from the finger it is not likely to be a property of light, although that is the current theory of this observation. Purpose: Observing this Chi phenomena could lead to new energy based medical equipment.

I am mostly interested in John Chang from Indonesia, I have watched his videos and my son has a similar gift where he can see energy and direct it and has done healing on me, friends and some animals. We would really like to be able to contact this man and possibly meet him someday. Personally I don't study this exactly, I am more into sound healing and Sanskrit mantras, interested in Buddhism and Hinduism. I do believe in this form of healing it is just my sons thing.

Hi and thank you for letting me join, I have a question I was wondering, how has the internal martial arts or chi gong or any internal practice helped you in life and can you give me if you want some tales of your exp. with energy work?

UPDATE: I have prematurely awarded the prize to the1gza. I am leaving the country to do intensive training in Taiwan, and as I may be M.I.A for a while, it's important that I keep my word. Thank you to the few people who participated in this challenge. Overall, I was disappointed that this practice-oriented thread generated so little interest, but this is the internet, after all, and in a way the lack of love helped to kick me off the internet entirely and into real practice, which is pretty much the ideal outcome. ---------- Okay! Ladies and Gentlemen! I hereby declare a new 100-day challenge/contest of practice. I really enjoyed the last one started by BKA, but alas, I was very late to the party, and I did not win. So this time, I'll be offering two grand prizes for two special winners. THE CONTEST: SATURDAY, MARCH 7th -> SUNDAY, JUNE 14 POST YO' PRACTICE (IDEALLY 100 DAYS STRAIGHT) THE RULES This contest is limited to the following practices: -chigong / nei gong -energy work of any kind (like shen gong, reiki, whatever your energy practice is) -yoga -trampolines count Post as much as you want: what you did and for how long. Keep a record of how much you're doing. This is on the honor system. GREAT PRIZES FROM DOGSON At the conclusion of the practice period, I will be offering the following prizes: GRAND PRIZE - MOST CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF TRAINING Whoever has the longest streak of training, measured in days, will win the Bruce Frantzis Tai Chi Mastery DVDs. This is quite a lot of material. About 12 DVDs I think, including fighting applications. It is specifically the Wu Style short form. FIRST PRIZE - MOST INSPIRING POSTS I am going to offer another prize for whoever posts the most "inspiring" stuff about their practice during the 100 days. This is totally vague and subject to my whimsy. This is because I'm a libra and also left handed. Seriously though: I feel that inspiration is really valuable, and I think that a great reason to train is in order to enjoy a long beautiful, healthy, creative life. THE PRIZE FOR MOST INSPIRING POSTS WILL BE THE BRUCE FRANTZIS XING YI DVDs - I believe an 8-DVD set, including a separate I-Chuan standing program. PLEASE NOTE: "INSPIRING" DOES NOT INVITE SPAM AND CLICKBAIT. You are not going to win by constant posting clips from the matrix or crouching tiger! Post real stuff about your real practice/life experiences. Yoga note: I'm including yoga because yoga is dope. EDIT: NEW TRAMPOLINE CLAUSE Trampolines are now considered as chi training after my awesome experience with my new rebounder. Admittedly, after I do a 20 minute bounce, I always do some tai chi... but it really opens stuff up. Feel free to post with your trampoline nei gong experiences, trampoline nei gong is totally welcome in this contest, and furthermore, everyone should get a trampoline. *drops mic* LET THE GAMES BEGIN

Hi After 15 plus years of being a student of as of yet an un-named form of Chi Gung, my Teacher was recently sent to prison for attempted murder. He was guilty of the crime, although I did testify on his defense. What saddens me is that it didn't have to end this way, and now I am left with what to do with my training. A lot of supernatural events have occured to me since my training has ended, due in part to( I assume) to my Chi Aura. I recently read Jim McMillans book, Seeking the Master of Mo-Pai. I wish to make contact with him as I think he may have some answers to my questions on Spiritual Protection. I have exhausted myself reading book after book, trying to find help. Just looking for some help here. Any Ideas?

Hi all, We all know about the principle of relaxation in meditative and chi-cultivating disciplines. We've all felt the profound benefits of relaxation. However, although many of us are learning from masters who are advanced in age, a lot of us are young and full of energy, vigor, and speed. So I want to get some opinions on this: how do you resolve the contradictory disciplines of relaxed power and peak performance (demanding as much as you can from yourself, getting high performance in your life overall, not just physically but mentally, working long hours, pushing yourself to achieve goals, etc) ? For example, I love the "ideal" of going to bed early and waking up several hours before dawn to practice my chi kung, forms, and meditation. It seems extremely sensible to sync my sleep schedule with the sun. But often when I wake early and have a great day, I've gotten so much momentum that I'm still amped come sundown, and I realize I could work (or play) for 12 more hours. But this goes against the precepts of just taking it easy, and this is tough for me, because we live in a world where the 70% rule doesn't really cut it. For most of us we have to rolling out the 110% power. Any suggestions? I'd love to hear how other peak performance people synthesize these seemingly opposite ideas.