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I'm quoting 9th quoting Jung. Other cultures from Chinese to South American have holidays to communicate, honor, do things for the sake of their dead. In general we don't. We tend to ignore our elderly and even more so, our dead. We consider ourselves, self made and lose our lineage. I'm just wondering, what could and should we do to for the sake of our dead? To reclaim and relink our heritage? I'm not a big believer in hungry ghosts and the like, but with my parents in there 80's and ailing, it seems like I need to tell there stories more to my children. To do something to reconnect with my ancestry. Personally, there is something like a family plot, its full now. One nice thing is each grave has protected locket with the deceased picture on it.. of my great grand parents and my grandparents and there brother and sisters. I've taken my daughter to it. Next time we're all together we need to visit it as a family. Put down stones on the markers, sit there, in remembrance.

I didnt want to tangent the other thread so made a new one. Some poo poo Crowley for (aside from other things) his 'psychologification' of magick . And also Jung ... as if they have taken the magic out of magic . But I was just thinking .... could we not say instead that 'magic' influenced psychology and changed psychology to a more magical (Jungian ) viewpoint ? (yes, I know many reject Jung , including a psychiatrist I knew who refused to discuss him - best to avoid the kitchen if one cant handle the heat ... any suggestion was met with "Talk to my brother, he is a Jungian, I am not. " )

Hi Bums, As some of you know, I just love comparing the metaphysical systems of different times and cultures with one another. Frequently, I find that they have central ideas in common. Thus a comparative approach tells us more about the Collective Unconscious, shared by all of humanity. Looking at an Archetypes from a variety of different perspectives serves to illuminate and amplify it further. Chapter 50 of the Daodejing seems to be a good example for what I mean. From Robert Henricks' translation: Now, the Death card in Tarot is the thirteenth of the Major Arcana. The traveller who comes out into life and goes back into death is The Fool. He stands both at the beginning and the end of the series of the Major Arcana, so he can be attributed with both the numbers 0 and 22. Cards that share the same checksum are seen as related with each other, like Death and The Fool, since they can both be reduced to the number 4. The fourth of the Major Arcana which is The Emperor. He is another important Archetype in Daoism, but we will safe him for later and stay with The Fool. The Fool is the eternal spiritual seeker, the original Tarot Bum undertaking the adventure of Individuation. He represents our childlike and spontaneous nature that we start out and hope to end up with. He is the wandering Daoist sage so prevalent in both Lao Tzu's and Chuang Tzu's writings. Ideally, he in fact attains (a kind of) immortality. Chapter 50 of the Daodejing continues: As we see above, the tiger indeed cannot injure The Fool. He is protected by his spiritual "innocence" or state of wu wei.