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http://www.facebook.com/groups/thefajinproject It all happend in Joseph Laronges's school. Laronge is clearly NO Clyman-groupie as his phrasing and interpretation of the situation proves! Therefore his credibility seems unassailable to me. ^Above is Laronge's personal interpretation of the situation: Obviously he believes that it is possible that Chang hold back to not kill Clyman. However, Clyman was in fact not only not killed, he seemed not affected at all! ^Fact is, that Clyman and Chang treated each other with mutual honesty, friendliness and respect before, during and after the golden bell test. ^Fact is that Clyman was NOT affected by Grandmaster Chang's hits! He didn't even stumble back after the uppercut: ^Clyman did not have to make one single step backwards after the uppercut! => The objective observation of the incident shows that Clyman's Golden Bell technique gave him the ability to absorb the blows of Grandmaster Chang without being affected. The question if this is possible because Grandmaster Chang hold back or because Clyman's powers were so overwhelming even back then that even Grandmaster Chang's hardest hits would have or actually have simply "bounced off" his golden bell technique, is in the area of personal interpretation, because Chang did not comment on the fact if he did hit Clyman with full force or not! However, the mutual honesty, respect and friendliness that defined the contact between Clyman and Chang implicates that Chang gave Clyman a "real" test of his Golden Bell abilities!