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Dear Dao Bums, Question for you guys Do you have any interesting experiences with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic? I have seen a few posts here on Daobums about his books on daoist magic, but none about the actual daoist magic training with him. My own few observations A fellow qigong brother here on the forum that I'm corresponding with notified me about Jasper Lake Maoshan daoist magic training. I checked out his webpages and read all that I could, and am now reading through his book "Practical Daoist Magic". Webpages: I found the webpages extremely interesting, and I definitely felt what he's sharing to be real, authentic and substantial. I tried meditating on a talisman he's posted to connect with the energy of "the fire star" or Mars, and within 5 minutes I felt heat pouring into my body and getting heated up. I was extremely suprised how fast and powerfully it worked. I took this as a sign that what's he's sharing is truly legit! Book so far: The book is the same story in the sense that it feels very legit and authentic. All the history and mythology he's sharing is perfectly in line with what I've been taught by Master Zhongxian Wu (who I've learnt from for more than 6 years), as is his explanation for yin/yang, 5 elements, 8 trigrams (bagua) stems, branches etc. of course with some slight variations in their personal interpretations. His beginning practices "to cultivate magical power" is also similar to what I've learnt from Master Wu, namely building the lower dan tien, purifying & strengthening the 5 organ system, "retriving" or calling back the spirits of your organs as well as daily mantras for purification (mind, mouth, body, surroundings, pacifying spirits, calling upon the golden light etc). The idea of jing/qi/shen as well as mantra, mudra, visualisation and posture is also similar. All in all I feel it to be very real. What I especially enjoy is that as a westerner he explains things very clearly so that it's easy to understand from a western viewpoint. He also divulges the "secrets" of how things really work and explain the whole process as well as the end result. This is something my chinese teachers never do, they simply encourage you to practice, shoot down your questions, and never explain linearly and in a straight-forward way what things are, how they work, what the process is like, what the result will be or how to measure your progress along the way. The only thing that really made me stop and wonder, was that at some point in the book he says that 30 minutes before and after practice you shouldn't eat or drink (pretty standard advice), however then immediately after he says drinking "only cool water" is allowed. This is a huge shocker! Everyone knows that Chinese never suggest cold water, it should be either hot or lukewarm. This was a big suprise for me, and made me wonder and question how everything could be feel so real and authentic, yet this one basic thing was completely "off" for how Chinese qigong/TCM/cultivation usually rolls. Actually it was such a great shock that it made me question the authenticity of everything. Even though the fire star talisman worked (which I felt to build his credibility), and the explanations feel legit too (which also builds credibility) the advice to drink cool water was so off that it made me wonder and question everything about his whole story of training in China & Malaysia etc. This is what made me write a post here on the forum, I wanted to speak to my dao brothers and sisters and hear your experiences (if any) with Jason Read and his Jasper Lake Maoshan Daoist Magic training. I look forward to hear from you!

Greetings as I had seen many post on Maoshan Tao. It has been years since I posted to this forum. Some post are closer to Maoshan than others. Because Maoshan Tao was never suppose to be used on humans the energy developed is somewhat deceptive, some of the "posters" who came to class for a short time, quit as it was too difficult. Yes, we do practice on each other, otherwise you would not know what you are doing and this cannot be shown in a video. You can only learn from a full Sifu of the lineage of Andrew Lum and Patrick Moon as registered in both Honolulu and Hawaii. Because of the confusion - and so little information given to the public in the past. It may be time to show the real "Maoshan Tao" to those who are serious about practicing. Because we knew that Maoshan Tao would be abused, Andrew Lum and Patrick Moon registered Maoshan Tao with the state of Hawaii and city of Honolulu to insure the integrity of Maoshan Tao. We knew others would abuse Maoshan as it is a very powerful system so it is easy for others to take Maoshan Tao and abuse it, pretending to be part of the lineage. Before anyone can teach in this style, permission was need from Sijyo Andrew Lum or Sijyo Patrick Moon. You can't learn Maoshan from books, DVDs, video streams, etc. There are people commercializing on Maoshan without permission to teach in China and the United States. Let me clarify that the 5 Element Sets are not Maoshan. You can ask Patrick Moon or myself when you come to class and we do cover the lineage so someone faking Maoshan on this forum does not have the authority to teach nor distribute material from our class. I have studied Maoshan Tao personally from both Patrick Moon and Andrew Lum for over 30 years. I have looked through internet search to see if there are any others teaching. http://maoshantao.com I saw a post from a former student saying that the "Sifus of Maoshan" did not want to be identified. This is completely false! The truth is he studied with Sijyo Patrick Moon for 2 days and quit. He learned the basic sets from me, but at the time I had asked Andrew Lum and Patrick Moon if I could teach so that I would have a core group to practice when I came back to from Hawaii to California. I was not a Sifu at the time as the advancements in Maoshan has greatly outperformed; since, I was a student getting permission from Patrick Moon and Andrew Lum. I was able to speak with Sijyo Andrew Lum before he past away. It is sad as I do see Maoshan videos on YouTube of those claiming to be Maoshan in China, and the U.S., but even they admit they don't know the real lineage. If people don't know their lineage, they are telling you that they are not associated with the real Maoshan. Please know that due to the timeframe, the question is do you want to work out and get a real "Rolex" or a fake 'Rolex.' The real Maoshan or someone who takes classes for a few years selling material that has no value. It's your choice so I am not going to tell you what you want to do. I see enough Maoshan threads and there are only 2 Sifu/Sijyo who are still alive. My goal is to train the next generations of instructors and not hold anyone back who has the aptitude to follow the instructions set forth with material that is not even true. Once you come to class, all will be revealed to you once you are part of the "Maoshan Community." I hope this post finds all of you in good health! Sifu Hata http://maoshantao.com