retention makes you gay

[seadog]

Ha had a good laugh reading the posts in this thread.The title of the post made me cough up my tea.

Nature can be a trickester in deed.

Above and beyond anything else the urge to connect with another is a strong command.

By disobeying this command, a million years of evolution kick in at full throttle.

Can't have a women, then what about a man?

Once the access to women is restablished all those homoerotic dreams simply vanish.HMMMM?

 

Chastity has been the scourage of the holy man and women through the ages.The remedy is a hard fix for sure.

Perhaps there is just as much to learn in the letting go as there is in the holding on.

[Epicurious]

Does anybody else have a problem with homoerotic fantasies whenever you practice retention?

 

I do. I said it. I admit it.

 

I'm not gay and I don't want to be gay. This really really sucks. So whenever it happens I just give in and release.

 

I hate this so much. someone please help me with this.

 

 

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[Pietro]

Does anybody else have a problem with homoerotic fantasies whenever you practice retention?

 

I do. I said it. I admit it.

 

I'm not gay and I don't want to be gay. This really really sucks. So whenever it happens I just give in and release.

 

I hate this so much. someone please help me with this.

Hi Findley,

let me get it right before I try to answer you.

What is that you do when you:

"give in and release".

 

Be specific:

you masturbate? you have sex with your girlfriend (or another Bum's girlfriend ).

How many times?

And (very important) do you fantasise while you are masturbating?

And, are those gay fantasis?

What about the next times?

 

And yes, male homosexuality and taoism do not go well together. Question asked to a Taoist Lineage Master:

"But according to medicine there is a number of homosexuals that are just generated by the fact that in the womb they were under the influx of this or that hormone. What should those people do?"

Answer:"Not study with me, and follow a different tradition than taoism in their spiritual life".

 

 

EDIT: late addition, I don't think that is caused by retention, nor by the fact that you are gay. But if I tell you more at this stage I bias your answer, doing a disservice.

Edited May 26, 2009 by Pietro

[Deepbluesea]

 

And yes, male homosexuality and taoism do not go well together. Question asked to a Taoist Lineage Master:

"But according to medicine there is a number of homosexuals that are just generated by the fact that in the womb they were under the influx of this or that hormone. What should those people do?"

Answer:"Not study with me, and follow a different tradition than taoism in their spiritual life".

 

You can probably destroy me with 1000 examples of homophobia in Taoism, Pietro, but that doesn't change my 100% hetero but non-homophobic opinion of your statement: that's a pile of bullshit.

 

Findley, It sounds like you are not alone in this, which is good. You sound like you are very well in tune with who you are which is also good. Just breathe and relax, don't label yourself (labels lead to statements like the above), you will work through this. Being scared and angry is always my first response to things that I don't want to hear whether I am hearing them from someone else, or from myself. Calm down and breathe. You'll be fine.

Peace always

[Pranaman]

here is a place I found when I was doing retention. It's kind of like a forum for western schlong exercises, that include some taoist techniques. Anyway, here is a 28-page discussion on the forum about homosexuality in heterosexual men. Some good insights, these dudes seem really grounded, probably because they are used to being very honest (reporting lengths and girths every so often etc..)

[awake]

Hi,

 

I had similar fears as you.

 

Let thoughts escape. Many will come, you will be surprised. But the more you fight, the more comes back to you.

 

Soon you may notice thought patterns you are used to having coming up and its like you're not even the one making it happen - you are the observer.

 

Thank you

[mantis]

Ha had a good laugh reading the posts in this thread.The title of the post made me cough up my tea.

Nature can be a trickester in deed.

Above and beyond anything else the urge to connect with another is a strong command.

By disobeying this command, a million years of evolution kick in at full throttle.

Can't have a women, then what about a man?

Once the access to women is restablished all those homoerotic dreams simply vanish.HMMMM?

 

Chastity has been the scourage of the holy man and women through the ages.The remedy is a hard fix for sure.

Perhaps there is just as much to learn in the letting go as there is in the holding on.

 

lol, yeah

[Smile]

Sometimes women fantasise about lesbian sex because they are in need of nurturing and communion from/with their inner feminine.

Hi Cat, I don't understand.... please, tell more...

[三江源]

Hi Cat, I don't understand.... please, tell more...

 

 

Should I find some nice pictures, to try to make it clearer?

[findley]

hahaha thank you epicurious for your obnoxiousness! !

 

I'm sorry, guys, (and pietro, I respect your word in this range of matter,) ...but I'm not getting anymore specific about these experiences.

 

In fact, I'm forgetting it. =p

[Fire Dragon]

hey, cat

 

Thanks trunk and hagar; though, I think it is important to point out that I am not really practicing retention to any extent to which I could possibly be over-doing it.

I secretly wish there really was 'nothing to retain', but unmistakenly, the drop unto the lower-soul from the higher-soul after release is so shitty and profound, that I would be a fool to keep suggesting to myself that retention may not be necessary. truly, the fertile energy of our sexuality is the medium by which the body may 'tap into' and 'receive' the subtle bliss 'energy' that comes hand-in-hand with the prominance of the primal consciousness.

 

Fire Dragon, thank you for your post. I do also suspect that perhaps it is a just another aspect of my being as a whole; I understand perfectly that the masterful sage, in harmony, just may be androgenous.

 

--

 

One interesting note I would like to make, are that the fantasies are only ...uhm... indulged in as just that: fantasy. No actual physical attraction to another male has ever overcome my sense of being. This is an important note to make, especially in light of potential psychological diagnoses.

thank you guys for chatting =)

 

 

 

Your welcome!

 

I do like every part of what you write here.

 

I think to that a distinction between being guy or not if you have such feelings, is that if you are not guy you realy not want in reality that anything gayisch happens and thats not beacase of any homofobia!

 

 

 

F D

[Smile]

 

 

Should I find some nice pictures, to try to make it clearer?

Oh, I like the way you're thinking, Cat... or should I say.... soulmate?

[gendao]

I'm guessing that you shouldn't try retention until you've opened your MCO and can actually circulate your jing up, not stagnate it.

 

Although, I doubt that has much to do with any latent homosexuality...

 

 

PS - Who's that in your avy?

Edited May 26, 2009 by vortex

[mantis]

I'm guessing that you shouldn't try retention until you've opened your MCO and can actually circulate your jing up, not stagnate it.

 

Although, I doubt that has much to do with any latent homosexuality...

PS - Who's that in your avy?

 

i think it could create an energy imbalance, which would probably stir things up when you add sexual repression into play.

[findley]

'opening' the Microcosmic Orbit is a joke to me-- a corruption of thought from the tSofGF. The 'orbit', and everything else, should open of its own accord as one dwells in the primal consciousness. When I was younger, I practiced so much mantak chia-style 'microcosmic' practices to little to no fruit. (at least it is nothing compared to a genuine cultivation of the primal consciousness, in my experience.)

 

I believe there is a strong line in the book, 'if it [the light] really moves, this is a bad thing.' circulation of the light is not subject to the control of the corporeal consciousness, but will rather happen on its own accord as one fixes ones attention to the primal consciousness, (stops thinking, and 'reverses the flow of the light')

 

-that's Lao tzu !! from one of the penguin-classic editions of the tao te ching =)

[agharta]

Oh, I like the way you're thinking, Cat... or should I say.... soulmate?

 

(This is extra funny because I have actually seen Smile's porn collection. It is rather impressive. I wonder if it has grown in the 6 years since I saw it last. LOL)

[Smile]

 

(This is extra funny because I have actually seen Smile's porn collection. It is rather impressive. I wonder if it has grown in the 6 years since I saw it last. LOL)

This is it! I'm not sending you milf DVDs any more.

This is supposed to be our secret.

 

Plato said "Hi"

[bindo]

here is a place I found when I was doing retention. It's kind of like a forum for western schlong exercises, that include some taoist techniques. Anyway, here is a 28-page discussion on the forum about homosexuality in heterosexual men. Some good insights, these dudes seem really grounded, probably because they are used to being very honest (reporting lengths and girths every so often etc..)

Retention rule #1; Hands off the schlong!

 

Does anybody else have a problem with homoerotic fantasies whenever you practice retention?

 

I do. I said it. I admit it.

 

I'm not gay and I don't want to be gay. This really really sucks. So whenever it happens I just give in and release.

 

I hate this so much. someone please help me with this.

Maybe you could stick with the celibacy for a while until you overcome both hetero and homo fantasies/desires.

If you throw in the towel every time you start having homo fantasies, you're not really getting anywhere.

 

'opening' the Microcosmic Orbit is a joke to me-- a corruption of thought from the tSofGF. The 'orbit', and everything else, should open of its own accord as one dwells in the primal consciousness. When I was younger, I practiced so much mantak chia-style 'microcosmic' practices to little to no fruit. (at least it is nothing compared to a genuine cultivation of the primal consciousness, in my experience.)

 

I believe there is a strong line in the book, 'if it [the light] really moves, this is a bad thing.' circulation of the light is not subject to the control of the corporeal consciousness, but will rather happen on its own accord as one fixes ones attention to the primal consciousness, (stops thinking, and 'reverses the flow of the light')

 

-that's Lao tzu !! from one of the penguin-classic editions of the tao te ching =)

While eating or drinking, attend to the one!

When happy, attend to the one!

When anguished, attend to the one!

When sick, attend to the one!

Whether passing through water or fire, always attend to the one!

Especially when you are agitated, attend to the one!

[mantis]

Retention rule #1; Hands off the schlong!

Maybe you could stick with the celibacy for a while until you overcome both hetero and homo fantasies/desires.

If you throw in the towel every time you start having homo fantasies, you're not really getting anywhere.

 

I don't think retention is good news at all, with or without weird desires and fantasies. I retained off and on for over 2 years and what was the result? A limper penis and virtually no morning wood. After starting a healthier sex life my morning wood is back, erectile health is better than ever and I feel good inside.

 

There IS something to be said about sexual energy, though. I could pretend I didn't notice anything but I did when I was celibate. I was following Bill Bodri's meditation and whenever I hadn't ejaculated for a few weeks my meditation would be wayyyyyyyy more intense than before. I somewhat felt "empty" and like my sessions didn't have much substance, it's hard to find the words to describe it.

[Epicurious]

hahaha thank you epicurious for your obnoxiousness! !

 

I'm sorry, guys, (and pietro, I respect your word in this range of matter,) ...but I'm not getting anymore specific about these experiences.

 

In fact, I'm forgetting it. =p

 

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[Aetherous]

This epicurious person is funny.

[Pietro]

Oh, I like the way you're thinking, Cat... or should I say.... soulmate?

 

How come you always end up being around people who are either bisexual or homosexual,

Max?

 

 

(This is extra funny because I have actually seen Smile's porn collection. It is rather impressive. I wonder if it has grown in the 6 years since I saw it last. LOL)

where? Where!! I searched the whole bloody house last time I was in NY, and I could not find a single tit.

Just lots of links from dating sites. Although the links were all toward nice middle aged men. Hmmm

 

 

Should I find some nice pictures, to try to make it clearer?

Like this:

 

We probably should now make the revised version:

Gays:

Unretenting Taoists since May 25 2009, 06:44 PM

[Smile]

How come you always end up being around people who are either bisexual or homosexual, Max?

Oh, snap! I have nothing against gays and even have one as a friend, but having gay friends don't make you gay - wanting to fuck other men in the ass does.

 

Guys, stop scaring away my soul mates!

 

Pietro, nice picture...

[Deepbluesea]

 

Like this:

 

 

Now I like girl on girl action as much as anyone, but c'mon, does a picture of two middle-school girls kissing really get you off?

[dragonfire]

Its called homophobia that has been implanted in you since you were young.

Its a negative view, that has no real basis, but only a view that

has been perpetuated by men, not gods, about how wrong it is.

Those men were ignorant and ignorant men will do whatever they

can to protect their views.

 

Its nothing but fear. With energy work, everything comes forth, the

truth reveals itself. The energy will not accept fears. You must

accept the truth, which is you are bisexual. Everyone is bisexual.

If you fight it, you will be fighting yourself. You will not be accepting

yourself. Good luck in fighting it. Its like seed implanted with deep

roots.

 

It used to be that taking it up the ass was wrong for men, but now

more men are coming forward saying, they love the massive

OGs. They even have a name for it, "pegging". They even try to

justify it now saying it is good for the prostate. Some how this

is supposed to alleviate the homophobia. Get real guys.

 

The fact is, for any man to be pegged and think they don't think

about how an actual penis feels inside their ass, is kidding themselves.

 

Every few hundred years, it cycles between acceptance and denial. Its

like a fad or a taboo being repeated. It rises and falls with knowledge

and loss of knowledge.

 

Its all fear and all in the head. The ego works off of fear and so does

lucifer and his hunchbacks. Your goal is to eliminate all fears. The

inner spirit is all embracing. I remember when I was younger,

I had so much fear of gay people, I wanted to beat them up if

they tried to hit on me.

 

FYI, i'm not gay. I've been with women all my life and have loved

having sex with them.

 

But through spiritual growth, comes acceptance, and freedom from

fears. Homophobia is the one I have found one of the most difficult

to overcome. Just think, some guys will kill themselves over this!

Edited July 12, 2009 by dragonfire