Lucky7Strikes Posted June 16, 2009 (edited) But how does one do it? You're right. It's only easy to put into words. . BTW my previous post was more for people who are serious cultivators. I don't think it's practical to tell everyone you meet to drop their desires. For some the only way to drop a desire is to satisfy it. Many Zen poems point to how we are all guests staying at a inn. The people you meet are bound to go their own ways. They come and go and come and go. This is how I view all my relationships. So much irrelevant garbage gets involved with this topic because sexual relationships are/become very personal. They can leave wounds all over the body (uh..figuratively ), bring old ones back up, play with the ego, give everything at one moment then destroy everything the next, and so on. Clearly seeing your desires and your reactions to them can be a good starting point. I think a part of the problem is how society puts so much emphasis on sex in general. Why? I'm not exactly sure. Ask the experts. One thing I know for sure though is that porn is doing some serious damage out there these days. Don't get me wrong, I think sex is great. But so is eating ice cream, drinking tea, taking a walk, or just goofing around. And I think I can live without ice cream if I really tried . Edited June 16, 2009 by Lucky7Strikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11:33 Posted June 17, 2009 I'm very impressed with this Ross Jeffries cat, steam. Here's a great article by him about his disagreement with the Cocky Funny ideal that some other "dating guru's" suggest. http://unce.us/index.php?option=com_conten...71&Itemid=2 society puts so much emphasis on sex in general. Why? I'm not exactly sure. I think it is because it feels good. And with the invention of effective birth control there is little to no reason not to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrei Posted June 17, 2009 Yeah, I like him because he teaches that there are 4 doorways into any woman's mind and emotions: 1. Getting her visualizing vividly. 2. Getting her to feel strong emotional connections 3. Getting her to feel strong, pleasurable body sensations 4. Getting to her core value structures BUT what he and others does not teach is how to keep the woman around. The secret is to CREATE FUTURE with her. I too can live without ice cream but when eating ice cream I prefer sharing it. I don't see any point doing things alone. Even enlightenment there is no point doing it alone. Ultimately the entire Universe is sexual. I don't believe in Oneness. I do but not here now in our state of being. I believe in Trinity: Male, Female AND Love; Male, Female AND Child; Active, Passive AND Neutral. Sexual union between the inner god and the inner goddess gives birth to Neutrality. Which after a time becomes Passivity. And after another time becomes Activity. This is not the desire, this is the way things go from the beginning of time. There is only transformation. That's how I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted June 17, 2009 I too can live without ice cream but when eating ice cream I prefer sharing it. I don't see any point doing things alone. Even enlightenment there is no point doing it alone. Ultimately the entire Universe is sexual. I don't believe in Oneness. I do but not here now in our state of being. I believe in Trinity: Male, Female AND Love; Male, Female AND Child; Active, Passive AND Neutral. Sexual union between the inner god and the inner goddess gives birth to Neutrality. Which after a time becomes Passivity. And after another time becomes Activity. This is not the desire, this is the way things go from the beginning of time. There is only transformation. That's how I see it. You cannot share love, happiness, peace if these things are not actualized in your individual being. I understand your point of view, but such an approach can easily lead one to the pitfalls of becoming dependent, needy, a burden and at last, fear. I see so many human relationships driven by this sense of fear. They will only hide the inevitable sense of loneliness and desperation. Sexual union is a wonderful thing. However, only when it is a pure union of two beings can its divine nature come to realization. Let the internal and external become one. Yet for this to truly happen, I believe everything must start from the individual. How can I expect to fully share with someone, when i am myself is a conflicted and a damaged being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteTiger Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) See here's the only thing with the law of attraction: What about the free will of the person you are attracting? So true. Although the women's free will may have been to allow or to be opened to such interest with another male. I agree with the above quote so much specifically because I do not believe being a part or playing into the idea of my own attachments, nor my desires. If a female is attracted to me and I played my part to looking for attraction I realize I'm partly at blame already. Although I realize this isn't the way I like to live my life. In the past realized that many women put themselves in situations where I could easily take advantage of things they are not aware of or easily use them for my own wants and desires with little care or respect for those females. It is solely because of this that I really hold true very true to my principles to not take part in this sort of behavior. Even if I didn't use the specific situation to my advantage I realize that I wish not to treat anyone as I would not want to be treated. It is because I hold such high ideals that I cling not going off to have a little fun because it would only pave a road for that women to distract my focus of my path. I exclaim this could easily happen because almost all times when I attempted to get back on my path within the last three years I found myself put in many situations where I should be focusing but instead finding myself falling to my own desires. I understand its alright to fall into this sort of desires. Many have advocated for me to do so. Although the issue is simple in my mind. I should not purposely bring anyone else into my own issues especially whom could easily not have the proper tools to deal with me. So I'm exclaiming two different internal issues I would get caught up in and always close to braking point found myself not wanting act upon. One, is the fact I went off my own path. Two, the manor in which I would present myself which was such a dubious manor with little respect for women. Please understand I'm not anti women I'm rather anti seek pleasure in a way that is different from my upbringing. I am just seeking the path to a chosen road in which as a kid I thought was an option. I was taught it was a option. I was brought up a little this way not fully or successfully but still brought up this way to some extent. I followed always to fix the pieces behind that was never put together properly to allow me to go towards my chosen path. (So yes it is also my chosen path) Peace, Virtue wt Edited June 19, 2009 by WhiteTiger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteTiger Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Sorry double post Edited June 19, 2009 by WhiteTiger Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
11:33 Posted June 19, 2009 See here's the only thing with the law of attraction: What about the free will of the person you are attracting? Hey SZ, These two sentences indicate a lack of understanding of the Law of Attraction. So the rest of your concerns, being based on this faulty understanding, aren't necessary. Law of Attraction, assuming it exists, (which it does), means that like vibrations attract to one another. It means that which you are seeking is seeking you. That which you attract, attracted you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites