Woman and LAW OF ATTRACTION

[Andrei]

The simple fact is that there are more women than men in this world.

 

and all of them are attracted to alpha males while the beta males worship or ignore them

 

Women are people too

 

and that is why they respond to emotion, imagination, trance words, framing, mirroring, push-pull, anchoring, fractionation, escalation like all people.

 

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[11:33]

Just my two cents...

 

I guess it comes down to a difference in perspective. I don't see women as something I want to 'get'. I also am not interested in keeping anyone who doesn't want to be kept. I don't particularly want a girl who can't see through these methods/techniques; to me it would imply that their intuition is not strong.

 

But really, if these methods are the natural thing for you to do, or for anyone to do, then it's cool, we just have a different approach. I prefer the natural approach, I find it allows me to be me, and I can't argue with the results. To be natural the only thing required is for you to really love yourself. Then others see it and some of them want to join the party so to speak (not literally)

 

I would tend to agree that women don't want someone who puts them higher than themselves. They might say so, but they'd find it boring eventually, I suspect. (However I could be wrong; its best to not think about it and just be natural ) The whole alpha-male / beta-male stuff is interesting. When I think of alpha male I think of people who want to dominate the situation, who tend to work out etc. Clearly all women do not want that. They of course tend to be attracted to more yang qualities, since they themselves are yin, but WHICH yang qualities they are attracted to is another story. Either way if you are changing yourself to attract this AWESOME GIRL, then what are you saying about yourself? You weren't awesome already? Anytime you change yourself for a girl you're immediately putting yourself into beta-male status, and saying that she is more important than you!

 

To me it is way more alpha-male to have a pot belly and talk to whoever you want and be confident in yourself, than it is to change yourself to appear different and act different to get a certain girl. The first guy has tons of love for himself and that can be felt.

 

I'm not ENCOURAGING pot bellies, lol, I'm just using that as a dramatic example.

 

I consider myself a omega-male I just made that up. It means I flow like water and cannot be stopped. =D

 

I don't believe all women respond to the same stuff. I give them more credit than that. I want a woman who can keep up with me, the real me, if she isn't a match to the real me, than better off we not waste each others' time. (hypothetically speaking since I've been in a relationship for 2.5 years or so)

 

Just my two cents

 

All the Best,

Alex

[WhiteTiger]

11:33,

 

I really liked your above post. Lots of good things.

 

I personally don't change myself for a women also.

 

Although I gotta say the be natural and flow like water is pretty cheesy though. I suspect your big boy enough to handle me calling you that. Understanding that I have always had great respect for you.

 

The type of relationship I'd like to be in surpasses and is beyond what 95% Americans think of what a relationship is. Your not in the relationship because of desires. You only speak to give advice which is only presented in words without emotions because your free from all desires and attachments. To me this type of advice freely given is beyond any relationship status and is extremely rare to find

 

I would find myself in this relationship simply because its natural and its just about cultivating. Because it would be natural it would be simply to support each others cultivation. The cracks that I have in my foundation would be fixed while being in this relationship. (This can be understood through understanding the theory of Confucian religiosity)

 

When you no longer need each other (only because I'm young) the relationship would be over. But not as a sad thing merely as a happy thing. For me this is a big deal. I've never found a place inside where I could simply be at peace with a women I'm around. A successful relationship with a female ended because no trance of attachment at the end.

 

A lot of what I just explained is very hard to actually understand. I'm also not so sure I'm able to explain it fully into words. But if you've known people whom are authentic Taoists or even Buddhist monks they present themselves extremely odd.

[erdweir]

Trying to pick up women is, in my experience, a total waste of time. Women actually tell you if they are interested, you just have to be aware of how they do it. Then you decide if the feeling is mutual and there isn't much more to it. I never expend any energy on it, I dont look for women at all. When I am ready to meet someone, they just appear and there isnt any power struggle or mind game involved. It usually happens when I am very consciously not doing anything.

 

I have met guys who pick up a different woman every day of the week. I never asked them how they did it, because I was never interested in learning how to charm and manipulate people into sleeping with me. I could tell they were total liars though and it seemed like a totally hollow pursuit. Having spent some time in bookstores, I have leafed through those pick up books like The Game, and they seem totally stupid to me. It's something like reading a cheesy book like "seven easy steps to spiritual mastery" but also like reading a manual on how to be a slave to your desires. What's the point?

Edited June 2, 2009 by erdweir

[Birch]

and all of them are attracted to alpha males while the beta males worship or ignore them

and that is why they respond to emotion, imagination, trance words, framing, mirroring, push-pull, anchoring, fractionation, escalation like all people.

 

 

Even if what you're saying is the case (ok, it is;-)) - WHY would one want to manipulate all of those things? Ok, maybe just for sport;-) - short term yey-yey. Whooppee-doo in our seeming times of loveless, sexually-transmitted-boring relationships. Supermarket. Walmart. Blow-job for a handbag.

 

Relationships don't get fun until they take you to your borders (and I'm not talking about sexual practices, nor about dysfunction).

 

My thoughts are if you're PUA without a desire to learn the loving practices behind that and move on (again, think "Dale C" and above and beyond) you might be stuck there.

 

For WT, I was a crap Big Sis for what it's worth. Certainly not the kind Darin talked about!

[Stigweard]

Speaking to the OP ... the Law of Attraction states simply: "Our life experience is a perfect match of our internal energy vibration."

 

If you want a 'good woman' cultivate that 'goodness' first within yourself.

 

[WhiteTiger]

For WT, I was a crap Big Sis for what it's worth. Certainly not the kind Darin talked about!

 

I'm not sure if that is a threat.

 

If your saying something can you be a little more direct about it. Otherwise I will most likely not deal with it properly.

 

Peace,

WTiger

[Andrei]

My thoughts are if you're PUA without a desire to learn the loving practices behind that and move on (again, think "Dale C" and above and beyond) you might be stuck there.

 

you are totally right Kate, I am all for love just that I like many others guys are missing the first link, the first step on this journey

[宁]

hey how about this interpretation of the law of attraction:

 

"what you seek in life

is already seeking you"

 

"where you are

is where you want(ed) to be"

 

so why the dissatisfaction then?...

 

maybe, just maybe,

 

one or two of the five shen are dominating the others

 

but the other shen have their word to say in this equation

 

therefore

 

know thiself is a lifelasting pursuit...

[gendao]

Speaking to the OP ... the Law of Attraction states simply: "Our life experience is a perfect match of our internal energy vibration."

 

If you want a 'good woman' cultivate that 'goodness' first within yourself.

Wow, never heard it put like that! Where is it defined like that? Cuz, I would totally agree!

 

Steam - What exactly is fractionation?

Edited June 3, 2009 by vortex

[markern]

I think of it like this:

 

We do not know if the law of attraction works. If it does in fact work ir requires very strong mental signals being sent by you which means great mind power, which again means it would probably require similar meditative abilities as for quite powerfull siddhis. If this works in principle normal people just do not have strong enough energy and concentration to make this work. And even if normal people are capalble of making this work I don`t see much evidence at all that many actualy make it work. So using the law of attraction to attract women is at best something which might work but might very well not.

 

Pickup skills on the other hand we KNOW can be learnt to the degree where you get the women you want. Even those that used to be completly "out of your league".

 

Making the law of attraction work for you probably requires as much work on yourself as making pickup work. Since the law of attraction has a questinable ability to yield results whereas pickup skills has a 99% certainty of general success if one realy tries to learn it, the rational choice is pickup skills.

 

at charismaarts.com you can learn pickup skills that are natural and does not require lying or misrepresenting you in any way or manipulating etc. etc. It will actualy help you be yourself more than before while also heloing you get the women you want.

[11:33]

Hi markern,

 

All the pickup techniques I've read about are basically learning how to be confident and not seem overly attached.

 

Fascinatingly these both correspond to what LoA teaches. Feel good, knowing you will ultimately get what you want, relax. So they're two sides of the same coin.

 

I know a lot about LoA. I spent 5+ years studying it. It is essentially the medium that mind and karma play themselves out in the physical realm. I used LoA to attract my current girlfriend who was the prettiest girl, literally. Two of my friends had told me about her a couple months earlier, how she was THE prettiest girl, and we're talking about two guys who go to bars/clubs alllll the time.

 

How did I 'do' it? I wrote on a piece of paper, front and back, exactly what I wanted in a girl. I put a lot of thought into this. It wasn't all superficial qualities, but many important lifelong type of qualities. For example, someone who we could grow together over the years, someone who embodied the 32nd I-Ching hexagram with me and could thus be Enduring. Someone with compatible interests, but enough differences to make life an enjoyable adventure. Someone beautiful inside and out.

 

And then I put that piece of paper in my bureau under the socks And went about my business. The next step in the equation is to be natural, to feel good, to let your light shine (like it naturally does)... So I wasn't thinking of my list at the time, when I went out with my friends (and my now-girlfriend was a friend of a friend who came with us in her own separate car) and was dancing for fun. Me and our group of friends were the only people there, and my now-girlfriend wasn't dancing with me or anything but she was drawn to me and told her friend I was cute or something and then her friend told me, even though she wasn't supposed to. And then I went to talk to her a little and voila, DESTINY! Note I really didn't DO ANYTHING, I just was natural and chose to be myself.

 

I don't agree fully with the popular sources of LoA literature, as they imho only are grasping PART of the picture, and many portray a very ME-centric way of living, which is not the Way.

 

What Stigweard said above is a very good explanation of LoA. All of life comes from mind.

 

the Law of Attraction states simply: "Our life experience is a perfect match of our internal energy vibration."

 

If you want a 'good woman' cultivate that 'goodness' first within yourself.

 

If pickup skills help you feel more confident in yourself then right on. Because really confidence is the only thing keeping you back most likely.

 

Now, my method should work if you want ONE girl. It is nature's way to match up compatible people. If you want many girls, I don't know how to do that. Being natural and confident still probably would work, but having many girls was never the natural thing for me so I can't say.

Edited June 3, 2009 by 11:33

[Andrei]

Steam - What exactly is fractionation?

 

 

Fractionation is when you create a pleasant mental state - which in terms of hypnosis is called "trance" then you shut off the stimuli that create the pleasure, shutting down the trance. Then after a certain amount of time (seconds or minutes) you create again the same pleasant state, but the second time the pleasure is much more powerful - the trance is deeper. This can be seen in stand up comedy or in all media - tv, cinema or advertising.

[11:33]

Taoist Ethics For Taoist PUA

 

Are there any traditional Taoist techniques for finding a girlfriend?

Edited June 3, 2009 by 11:33

[Andrei]

hey how about this interpretation of the law of attraction:

 

"what you seek in life

is already seeking you"

 

"where you are

is where you want(ed) to be"

 

so why the dissatisfaction then?...

 

 

 

how about "what you seek in life is already seeking you - but not yet found each other"

 

and "where you are is where you want(ed) to be - but you changed your mind and want to be no more"?

 

 

 

 

maybe, just maybe,

one or two of the five shen are dominating the others

but the other shen have their word to say in this equation

therefore

know thiself is a lifelasting pursuit...

 

Yes, definitely maybe

 

I was thinking to reframe the whole pick-up theory into the five elements/shens taoist paradigm.

 

In my observation the "naturals" are already with Shen spirit (Heart Fire) in excess, and this is my explanation why they are cocky and funny and confident and happy and charming and all that qualities that women find attractive.

 

And all the famous pickup artists I know like Ross Jeffries, Mystery, David de Angelo are kidney-liver deficient, exception maybe Stephane Hemon - it can be seen on their faces

 

Not everybody have big heart, so they try to find something to compensate or to simulate having a big heart, and yes I think ultimately the Shen cultivation through compassion and love, heart centered approach will create the women magnetism. Drew Hempel is the best example that come into my mind right now.

[11:33]

Not everybody have big heart, so they try to find something to compensate or to simulate having a big heart, and yes I think ultimately the Shen cultivation through compassion and love, heart centered approach will create the women magnetism.

 

Sensible.

 

The best thing about the Tao, is that it is uniquely suited to each of us in every moment. What is right for you may not be right for me. And that is because we are all different.

[Birch]

I'm not sure if that is a threat.

 

If your saying something can you be a little more direct about it. Otherwise I will most likely not deal with it properly.

 

Peace,

WTiger

 

Hey WT. I'm quoting this because I'm not sure what you mean but at the same time the explanation behind what I wrote is really interesting (well, I thought so anyway;-))

 

My Lil bro' used to beat me up. Quite a lot in fact. Ostensibly because I said things to him that made him upset (parental court of law in action;-)) So my main takeaway is that I DIDN'T do all the cool memorable things that some other Big Sis's did for their Lil Bro's. I guess I felt I had a pretty good reason/circumstances that precluded me from doing so.

 

I don't think it helps that we're only 2 years apart. There are other things I won't get into for lack of space and just personal privacy reasons. Probably other things I missed at the time. Whatever. We just never made it through as a brother-sister 'team' to adulthood.

 

The parents didn't/couldn't help for whatever reason. I can't talk to him now and I consider him a douche. He thinks I'm a bitch the size of the US. We're both right;-)

[goldisheavy]

Hey WT. I'm quoting this because I'm not sure what you mean but at the same time the explanation behind what I wrote is really interesting (well, I thought so anyway;-))

 

My Lil bro' used to beat me up. Quite a lot in fact. Ostensibly because I said things to him that made him upset (parental court of law in action;-)) So my main takeaway is that I DIDN'T do all the cool memorable things that some other Big Sis's did for their Lil Bro's. I guess I felt I had a pretty good reason/circumstances that precluded me from doing so.

 

I don't think it helps that we're only 2 years apart. There are other things I won't get into for lack of space and just personal privacy reasons. Probably other things I missed at the time. Whatever. We just never made it through as a brother-sister 'team' to adulthood.

 

The parents didn't/couldn't help for whatever reason. I can't talk to him now and I consider him a douche. He thinks I'm a bitch the size of the US. We're both right;-)

 

I read somewhere that it's very common for brothers and sisters to fight early in life. The hearsay I heard was that if you fight early on, you'll probably be good friends later on, but if you are friendly early on, you'll probably grow apart later on. It seems the hearsay is not true in your case, but it is in my case. My sis is 3 years younger. I don't talk to her much, but when I do, we have a great conversation. I love my sis and she loves me, but we used to beat each other a lot when we were growing up. I'd really hurt my sis hard, but she was no slouch! She'd hurt me so bad, it was amazing. I'd see the stars. She is so tough! I am proud of my sis. She was one of the toughest girls in the army. Anyway, when I was little, most of the time I used to beat my sis because I thought she was too greedy. She'd never even so much as let me touch the presents she'd get for birthday for example, even if I just wanted to look at it for 5 mins and give it back, no go. So I got so angry that first, why was she so greedy and so possessive, and second I was angry that my parents were letting her get away with the greed and were not correcting her wrong attitude. So I took it upon myself to beat the living day lights out of her for being greedy. Am I a nice guy or what? Well, probably not that nice in that case. But we have a very good relationship. I feel like I can share anything whatsoever with my sis, and she can share anything with me. I love and respect my sister and I think she turned out to be a great woman. Maybe even a goddess! I like to think I had something to do with it, the selfish asshole that I am.

Edited June 4, 2009 by goldisheavy

[WhiteTiger]

11:33,

 

I really liked your above post. Lots of good things.

 

I personally don't change myself for a women also.

 

Although I gotta say the be natural and flow like water is pretty cheesy though. I suspect your big boy enough to handle me calling you that. Understanding that I have always had great respect for you.

 

The type of relationship I'd like to be in surpasses and is beyond what 95% Americans think of what a relationship is. Your not in the relationship because of desires. You only speak to give advice which is only presented in words without emotions because your free from all desires and attachments. To me this type of advice freely given is beyond any relationship status and is extremely rare to find

 

I would find myself in this relationship simply because its natural and its just about cultivating. Because it would be natural it would be simply to support each others cultivation. The cracks that I have in my foundation would be fixed while being in this relationship. (This can be understood through understanding the theory of Confucian religiosity)

 

When you no longer need each other (only because I'm young) the relationship would be over. But not as a sad thing merely as a happy thing. For me this is a big deal. I've never found a place inside where I could simply be at peace with a women I'm around. A successful relationship with a female ended because no trance of attachment at the end.

 

A lot of what I just explained is very hard to actually understand. I'm also not so sure I'm able to explain it fully into words. But if you've known people whom are authentic Taoists or even Buddhist monks they present themselves extremely odd.

 

The follow post I posted was basically just the end of a desire I failed throughout the last 3 years to whip off my heart and/or fight for what I wanted.

 

This was only a delusion that kept me off my path of cultivation. Although this has taken me off my path my resolve has never in my whole life been any weaker.

 

I deeply wish and hope that this post doesn't reflect upon what WhiteTiger handle name actually wants in real life. More importantly I'm apologize for all my past posts (so many there are) that never truly represented who I am or whom I wanted to be.

 

Peace,

Sincerely, wt

[Andrei]

http://www.seduction4free.com/modules/1/

[11:33]

I'm half way through the first video steam. RJ is saying a lot of smart stuff. I see I was doing a lot of this stuff naturally by being myself and feeling good. I'm interested to listen more to see how I can improve the quality of my relationship with my girlfriend. I'm sure it could help keep the excitement between us etc...

 

It is about emotion over behavior. It isn't about what you DO, but about how you make her FEEL.

 

"Successfully attracting/seducing women is about how you can capture and lead their imaginations and emotions"

 

Damn well said. I never think about these things, but they're on the money.

 

"It is never about where you take her or what you spend. Never never never!"

 

RJ's approach is all about the mind level of a woman. From a LoA standpoint it is like you are guiding her mind into a preferred state, and from that state manifestation follows. Dude knows his shit. If you can take a woman's mind along with you, then everything else comes along with it.

 

Imagine how much application this has in EVERY encounter, not just women but guys, coworkers, bosses, clients, anyone. It is really about understanding what makes people do what they do.

Edited June 16, 2009 by 11:33

[WhiteTiger]

Hey WT. I'm quoting this because I'm not sure what you mean but at the same time the explanation behind what I wrote is really interesting (well, I thought so anyway;-))

 

My Lil bro' used to beat me up. Quite a lot in fact. Ostensibly because I said things to him that made him upset (parental court of law in action;-)) So my main takeaway is that I DIDN'T do all the cool memorable things that some other Big Sis's did for their Lil Bro's. I guess I felt I had a pretty good reason/circumstances that precluded me from doing so.

 

I don't think it helps that we're only 2 years apart. There are other things I won't get into for lack of space and just personal privacy reasons. Probably other things I missed at the time. Whatever. We just never made it through as a brother-sister 'team' to adulthood.

 

The parents didn't/couldn't help for whatever reason. I can't talk to him now and I consider him a douche. He thinks I'm a bitch the size of the US. We're both right;-)

 

I'm sorry to hear that.

 

My story about me and my immediate family and my aunts and uncles is a little similar when I attempted to get help from them. (Only because caught up karmically from the issues my siblings made)

 

You see although I would clearly state at many times for my own lack of ability I was a douche. In my eyes it was a way of protecting myself. The truth was it was just harmful to people. The more I grew up the more I realized this and the less I do it. Although my parents ability to deal with the situation since then has drastically changed. I no longer gain any sort of help for dealing with things. I feel that the burden is all placed on me to do the right thing because no one else will. This is only to protect help fix the things I played a bad part in. Although the negative abusiveness from my parents (Which they never learned how to get over) and the abuse of my siblings can become to great for me to deal with it. I attempt again and again ways to deal with it but best way to deal with it is not to be there when it happens. Maybe this right now is a great reminder telling me I should work on it on my own now that I'm not so closely attached to them.

 

I can definately relate. I have a brother whom is apart by two years. Its really sad to realize that my family continues such abusive style of dealing with me and others. They also not only do that to me but others they have a hard time dealing with. The issue is they are attempting to manipulate what they want from others instead of letting others be the way they want.

 

Its greatly unfortunate that I have a hard time dealing with my family and shared issues. They aren't willing to work on there issues. Some of it is intentional some of it isn't. But they just continue to pave a bigger karmic debt attempting that the bigger extremes they go to that they may end up gaining control over others.

 

Thankfully I can and do learn from my mistakes. My family on the other hand aren't interested in learning in there mistakes but continue to willing to go further and further just to gain control or manipulation of others.

 

I've gotten over being controlled but I still fall into manipulation a lot. Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

Peace, Virtue

WTiger

 

P.S. my mother is the most abusive and manipulative. Should I say hurtful verbally abusive among other things. I no longer take part in. Though I still find it hard to deal with.

Edited June 16, 2009 by WhiteTiger

[Lucky7Strikes]

All desires of physical nature are obstacles on the Path. Nothing good comes from lust.

 

Krishnamurti once said that there was no inherent problem in a sexual relationship. All troubles arise along with our thoughts surrounding it.

 

What's important is our intentions. You can be a slave to your inborn desires calling it the natural Way, but that would be deluding yourself.

 

The whole thing about seeing the god/goddess in him/her seems to be casually tossed around among spiritual circles. IMHO, this is incredibly difficult to do until you have cultivated enough to control your physical desires. So much deception happens when you borrow terms like the Tao, "naturalness," compassion, love, and so forth to justify the brutal urge. I believe a true sexual union between the inner god and the inner goddess is actually very rare and more often than not, accidental (at least for humans ).

 

Cultivation must happen 24/7. Meditating for an hour then going out to pick up girls or even being carried away by sexual thoughts the moment one sees an attractive woman is not true cultivation. Wanting this and suppressing it is even worse (check out the whole semen retention dangers section on Trunk's site). Root it out completely.

[Sloppy Zhang]

ok so we all know pretty much what law of attraction is.

 

its the belief that what ever u want will simply come to you if u go about it the right way...

 

if u want somthing and u forcefully strive for it then it ends up farther and farther away from u

 

if u let it just come to u in such a way that u LET it you will have what u want...

 

again the key to taoism is to not want.... im enjoying it for now...

 

say ur interested in a perticular female.. do u go about useing the law of attraction in such a way that

 

you show physically that u want her but so no interest mentally

 

or is it the opposite do u show no physical attraction but know what u want mentally and it will come...

 

i dont understand the bases of this law

 

can someone please help me

 

See here's the only thing with the law of attraction:

 

What about the free will of the person you are attracting?

 

Maybe that person has their own life ahead of them and it's going great, but then you come along with your law of attracting. Who knows what that person is now NOT going to do in their lives. Were they always meant to be with you? Or did you just throw a monkey wrench into the universe? Most people have no way of knowing what effect their actions will have until it's too late.

 

My advice is to not have anything to do with this law of attraction business unless you understand perfectly how the universe works, which includes, but is not limited to, fate vs. free will, human emotions, cause and effect, how decisions are made, and love vs. lust in general.

 

Otherwise you may realize what a mistake you've made, wonder what effects it will have on your life, and more importantly, THEIR life, not to mention life in general, then spend the rest of your life trying to make up for the mistakes of your youth.

[Creation]

All desires of physical nature are obstacles on the Path. Nothing good comes from lust.

 

Krishnamurti once said that there was no inherent problem in a sexual relationship. All troubles arise along with our thoughts surrounding it.

 

What's important is our intentions. You can be a slave to your inborn desires calling it the natural Way, but that would be deluding yourself.

 

The whole thing about seeing the god/goddess in him/her seems to be casually tossed around among spiritual circles. IMHO, this is incredibly difficult to do until you have cultivated enough to control your physical desires. So much deception happens when you borrow terms like the Tao, "naturalness," compassion, love, and so forth to justify the brutal urge. I believe a true sexual union between the inner god and the inner goddess is actually very rare and more often than not, accidental (at least for humans ).

 

Cultivation must happen 24/7. Meditating for an hour then going out to pick up girls or even being carried away by sexual thoughts the moment one sees an attractive woman is not true cultivation. Wanting this and suppressing it is even worse (check out the whole semen retention dangers section on Trunk's site). Root it out completely.

Brilliantly said! This really cuts to the heart of the matter. But how does one do it?

 

Also, hi Zhang. It's good to see you around again. You bring up some good points. But I think intention here is key. Consider Darin Hamel's or 11:33's experience meeting a really good match using LoA-type stuff. If you are truly trying to attract a healthy loving relationship and are capable of being a suitable partner in such a relationship, it seems to me that you won't be impinging upon anyone's free will and won't screw up your life or theirs. OTOH, if you are looking for a sexual fling, I think what you said is good advice.