Controlling sexual desire

[joeblast]

 

 

 

The best answer I've ever heard came from Dao Zhen, He said:

 

By Dao Zhen

 

I think for serious students, this is a big hurdle to overcome.

It is best to not get into the habit of gaining depression when an emission happens in sleep.

It is natural, and go slow and do not force anything, nor become obsessed with "saving" jing.

Keep practice, follow solid methods and guidelines.

With time, all will become secure quite naturally.

I have found the following to be a help for me in my practice.

Yet this is by no means advise from an expert, as I have very little experience.

In the tradition I am learning, it is generally accepted that a serious student is celibate.

 

- Points to help prevent emission during sleep -

 

 

1. Change conditioned habits and patterns in regards to viewing and interacting with women - on the street, and in the manner we speak and deal with them in public situations -

 

If we flirt, and have playful interaction with women, it may stir things up quite a bit, and cause trouble during sleep.

 

Honor and respect women as your sisters in Tao, yet do not view them as sexual objects, nor project sexual fantasy on women.

 

1-a. Do not view pornography video, magazine, or sexual movies.

 

2. Diet. Do not over eat, and do not go to bed while full. I have found it best to eat the last meal of the day around 5pm or so. Also in the tradition I am learning, it is thought best to follow a simple vegetarian diet, with no spice, garlic, onion, scallion, chives, and cilantro.

 

3. Do not have very heavy blankets on the body that will create too much heat when sleeping.

 

4. Do not sleep on the stomach. Sleep on the back with one leg crossed over the other – hands resting below the navel, or on the right side with one leg tucked behind the bottom leg at the knee level – right palm cupping the ear – left palm below navel area.

 

5. The most important point I have found that helps is to sit for 1 - 2.5 hours or so in proper seated meditation practice before sleep. This is perhaps the most important point, and will yield the most results.

 

In this tradition, we have a method to transfer Jing to Qi that is taught.

 

It is termed - "Lighting a Fire", or "Burning a Soft Fire".

 

It is very effective, and yields the effect of the Jing being transformed to Qi, and really is like something burns away and evaporates.

 

There is great warmth generated in the Lower Dantian area that moves, and steams upward during the process in a manner that is very pleasurable and uplifting.

 

One is left with a feeling of great expansion, and the sign that the Jing has been completely transformed, and it is safe to sleep is one has a feeling like a vast, expansive, clear blue sky.

 

The sign that one has made some gain in transformation of Jing over a period of time, is generally one will stop to have dream activity.

 

There is a great stillness in the sleep state, and no real strong dream activity.

 

This is also related to the pattern of the Metal conquering Wood; Or the Po suppressing the Hun during the night.

 

When the Hun is suppressed by the Po, it wanders away from the sphere of the liver, and the resulting experience is dreams.

 

As Jing is transformed into Qi, and the Hun is strengthened, there is less and less dream activity during the sleep state.

 

One sign I have also come to notice is that if I was lazy and just lie down for sleep without practice, there will be a feeling of something stirring in the lower Dantian, like a movement, or maybe even a worm or something is really moving and stirring.

 

This is a sign that one will experience an emission during sleep, and it is important to have a strong will power, and sit up and cross the legs and sit to Burn the Soft Fire.

 

It is also a good idea to get into the habit of getting up from sleep at any time in the night when you awake and there is a stirring in the sexual organ, or a strong erection.

 

Just sit up, cross the legs, and lightly gaze over the Lower Dantian area and sit in stillness.

 

In this system, they also teach a standing method of body movement, contraction and breathe retention in the first stages to strengthen the lower gate, to help prevent the emission during sleep.

 

This stage does not last forever.

 

It is as if the body and being is at first in a habit to let the liquid flow out, and loose the essence.

 

Yet with slow and steady practice, the body and being learns another way.

 

It becomes the natural state to preserve the essence, and no loss is experienced.

 

It is an investment of time.

 

So it takes a strong and steady will power.

 

Constant and steady daily practice over a period of time.

 

Persevere.

 

 

Yeah I have posted the quote from physiologist Dr. Robert Sapolsky - for males the desire goes from the parasympathetic relaxation to increasingly the sympathetic stress which causes the loss of energy. So for meditation it reverses this to change the sympathetic back into the parasympathetic relaxation.

 

So that is why it goes away - this is the "purification" or ionization to create the yin chi energy from the jing energy becoming more yang jing.

 

So what happens is that if you have stored up chi energy then the mundane world attempts to deconvert or feed off the chi energy by lowering the frequency of the energy - this moves it from the heart to the liver (righteous anger at being deconverted) and then to the kidneys (bliss heat) and finally to the full sympathetic stress reaction.

 

So if you are catching that deconversion process early then you are sensing the heart switching to a sympathetic response -- that is very impressive.

 

This is why the 100 days training requires mind celibacy also and why most people never even achieve this goal - but for females it is easier if they commit to practice since they can stay more easily in the parasympathetic relaxation energy - they connect to the heart energy more easily.

 

But once you get into the pre-natal energy - the spirit energy -- that requires going beyond all the emotions - and as the energy builds up it makes the emotional reaction even more strong if the person is not careful.

 

So this is why then storing the energy in the lower tan tien is key because it keeps it from the heart and from the reproductive area.

 

Anyway also dreams have to be controlled.

 

Yes -- it is delicate as diet changes things - this is why Ramana Maharshi required a vegetarian diet - but the Brahmin rules are strict on gender separation also for mind yoga.

 

So the factors -- the energy is always transforming - it is a personal situation.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efferent_nerve_fiber

 

without getting into the wiring of one's junk, just look at the function of an efferent nerve fiber, and know that the testes and prostate have efferent connections that respond to one's thoughts.

 

wrt one's thoughts, the thought-stream-energy also contains a habit-energy component.

 

whatever inertia one's habit-energy possesses, and thought-stream-energy manifests, it will take a roughly equal amplitude countereffort-time to correct it.

 

dwelling on hangups about the process doesnt let the hangups go - for good or bad that is still inviting the hangup to stay and have some tea, even if you're tossing the tea in its face.

 

its one of those reasons it helps to be a certain level of analytical about it, but a hindrance to be a "certain +x" level of analytical about it.

 

cease the thought, settle equanimously, smile, cultivate.

 

 

 

so D, since things arent manifesting down there, but up here, keep doing healing sounds, keep doing things to redirect the energy potential in a constructive direction, keep refining what you are doing, and dont let these arisings perturb you too much. .02

[Maddie]

Yeah I have posted the quote from physiologist Dr. Robert Sapolsky - for males the desire goes from the parasympathetic relaxation to increasingly the sympathetic stress which causes the loss of energy. So for meditation it reverses this to change the sympathetic back into the parasympathetic relaxation.

 

So that is why it goes away - this is the "purification" or ionization to create the yin chi energy from the jing energy becoming more yang jing.

 

So what happens is that if you have stored up chi energy then the mundane world attempts to deconvert or feed off the chi energy by lowering the frequency of the energy - this moves it from the heart to the liver (righteous anger at being deconverted) and then to the kidneys (bliss heat) and finally to the full sympathetic stress reaction.

 

So if you are catching that deconversion process early then you are sensing the heart switching to a sympathetic response -- that is very impressive.

 

This is why the 100 days training requires mind celibacy also and why most people never even achieve this goal - but for females it is easier if they commit to practice since they can stay more easily in the parasympathetic relaxation energy - they connect to the heart energy more easily.

 

But once you get into the pre-natal energy - the spirit energy -- that requires going beyond all the emotions - and as the energy builds up it makes the emotional reaction even more strong if the person is not careful.

 

So this is why then storing the energy in the lower tan tien is key because it keeps it from the heart and from the reproductive area.

 

Anyway also dreams have to be controlled.

 

Yes -- it is delicate as diet changes things - this is why Ramana Maharshi required a vegetarian diet - but the Brahmin rules are strict on gender separation also for mind yoga.

 

So the factors -- the energy is always transforming - it is a personal situation.

 

Its interesting the pattern you mentioned because that's pretty much how it plays out. It kind of goes like this... I can be sitting there minding my own business, with any desire related topics the furthest thing from my mind. Then BAM! out of the blue desire hits me and at the same time my heart starts kicking into over drive, and at this point in my life I say to myself "oh boy here we go again" and if possible try to get to the meditation cushion as fast as possible. Then once I'm sitting there usually the next thing I feel (in addition to the desire) is a great deal of irritability and all the classic symptoms of Liver qi stagnation including constriction and discomfort along the course of the Liver meridian especially in the lateral-costal and epigastric regions (classic symptoms). So yea its just like you said, first my heart freaks out and then my Liver freaks out. Its like the heart fire catches the liver wood on fire. So I meditate for a while, and observe all this with as much detachment as is possible, and gradually it dissolves. What I don't understand is the suddenness of it all, as in just BAM out of the blue, it freaks me out.

 

As far as storing the energy in the lower dan tien, what method do you use to do that? Abdominal breath, intention, ect.. ?? Yea as far as diet goes I modified it again like I did a few days ago (when I fasted because of this). I was going to go out and get some BBQ, but with the flare up decided that probably eating in general and especially beef would not be helping my cause lol. So since my Spleen qi is a bit on the weak side, I guess I'll just fast until tomorrow morning since I have to go do hours at the clinic.

Just as an aside, I had this patient today, a middle aged lady who had severe Shen disturbance, as in hadn't slept for 48 hours because she was hearing things, and on bi-polar meds and all that fun stuff. At least by the end of the treatment she seemed to have calmed down significantly, and was weeping a bit, as opposed to looking like she was on the moon. Oh the point... it seems that celibacy+meditation/cultivation= much better results from my patients :-), ... ok enough tooting my own horn lol.

 

Joe thanks for sharing that stuff :-). I skimmed that wiki article you posted and noticed something interesting. It said that the Efferent never lead to the inner ear. Weird thing was today as I was meditating in the midst of the situation I was describing earlier for a while I kept having to unblock my ears by popping my jaw cause they kept closing up... weird.

Edited May 1, 2013 by dmattwads

[voidisyinyang]

Its interesting the pattern you mentioned because that's pretty much how it plays out. It kind of goes like this... I can be sitting there minding my own business, with any desire related topics the furthest thing from my mind. Then BAM! out of the blue desire hits me and at the same time my heart starts kicking into over drive, and at this point in my life I say to myself "oh boy here we go again" and if possible try to get to the meditation cushion as fast as possible. Then once I'm sitting there usually the next thing I feel (in addition to the desire) is a great deal of irritability and all the classic symptoms of Liver qi stagnation including constriction and discomfort along the course of the Liver meridian especially in the lateral-costal and epigastric regions (classic symptoms). So yea its just like you said, first my heart freaks out and then my Liver freaks out. Its like the heart fire catches the liver wood on fire. So I meditate for a while, and observe all this with as much detachment as is possible, and gradually it dissolves. What I don't understand is the suddenness of it all, as in just BAM out of the blue, it freaks me out.

 

As far as storing the energy in the lower dan tien, what method do you use to do that? Abdominal breath, intention, ect.. ?? Yea as far as diet goes I modified it again like I did a few days ago (when I fasted because of this). I was going to go out and get some BBQ, but with the flare up decided that probably eating in general and especially beef would not be helping my cause lol. So since my Spleen qi is a bit on the weak side, I guess I'll just fast until tomorrow morning since I have to go do hours at the clinic.

Just as an aside, I had this patient today, a middle aged lady who had severe Shen disturbance, as in hadn't slept for 48 hours because she was hearing things, and on bi-polar meds and all that fun stuff. At least by the end of the treatment she seemed to have calmed down significantly, and was weeping a bit, as opposed to looking like she was on the moon. Oh the point... it seems that celibacy+meditation/cultivation= much better results from my patients :-), ... ok enough tooting my own horn lol.

 

Joe thanks for sharing that stuff :-). I skimmed that wiki article you posted and noticed something interesting. It said that the Efferent never lead to the inner ear. Weird thing was today as I was meditating in the midst of the situation I was describing earlier for a while I kept having to unblock my ears by popping my jaw cause they kept closing up... weird.

 

 

Yeah the Tridaya teacher points out that holding the breath from the reverse breathing of the diaphgram - this causes the iron hemoglobin to be released more and this increases the positive ions since iron is positive ion while oxygen from breath is negative ion. So then building up the positive ions then creates the lower tan tien heat and burns the jing energy into chi energy.

 

This is what Gary Clyman emphasizes also - the flexing of the various muscles - the abdomen exercises.

 

Of course visualizing fire and light in the lower tan tien then brings your mind spirit energy there also.

 

I was thinking of the deeper slower breathing as activating the vagus nerve which increases the heart chi energy.

 

So I guess that's the same thing really - but I had never heard of that angle by the Tridaya teacher. very cool.

 

I use full lotus but otherwise standing active exercise - the more knees bent the better.

[Maddie]

Yeah the Tridaya teacher points out that holding the breath from the reverse breathing of the diaphgram - this causes the iron hemoglobin to be released more and this increases the positive ions since iron is positive ion while oxygen from breath is negative ion. So then building up the positive ions then creates the lower tan tien heat and burns the jing energy into chi energy.

 

This is what Gary Clyman emphasizes also - the flexing of the various muscles - the abdomen exercises.

 

Of course visualizing fire and light in the lower tan tien then brings your mind spirit energy there also.

 

I was thinking of the deeper slower breathing as activating the vagus nerve which increases the heart chi energy.

 

So I guess that's the same thing really - but I had never heard of that angle by the Tridaya teacher. very cool.

 

I use full lotus but otherwise standing active exercise - the more knees bent the better.

 

Since I can't really get into full lotus at least not for a few seconds or a minuet at the most I do half lotus, I'm assuming though probably less effective than full lotus it still provides some benefit? So you use full lotus and standing exercises to store the energy in the dan tien, as far as your personal way of doing it?

[voidisyinyang]

Since I can't really get into full lotus at least not for a few seconds or a minuet at the most I do half lotus, I'm assuming though probably less effective than full lotus it still provides some benefit? So you use full lotus and standing exercises to store the energy in the dan tien, as far as your personal way of doing it?

 

yeah the post that joeblast did is a great overview -- so almost always I can wake myself up my dreams to stop from losing the fluid and then I go into full lotus -- but I have to make sure to concentrate the mind and wait until the fluid goes up into the brain - there is cracking noises in the neck as the vagus nerve pulsates and pulls up the lower body fluid into the brain.

 

But that's just sublimation - then it has to be purified by the heart energy - so that is only after an hour of full lotus then the left side vagus nerve pulsates down to the heart to increase the chi energy.

 

ummm.....

 

yeah I am doing more standing active exercise now that I got the c.d. for level 1 from http://springforestqigong.com - it was only $8 but really nice to have chunyi guiding the exercise.

 

So I really feel the chi energy more when I combine the standing and sitting exercises -- but yeah the western explanation is to burn off the sympathetic stress energy to its extreme by bending the knees, holding the arms out, etc. and this causes "parasympathetic rebound" to the opposite extreme of relaxation which is then creating the chi energy as the positive ions of the vagus nerve.

 

So but the eastern way utilizes the positive and negative fields of the body - and the slow breathing changes the iron instead of oxygen -- again increasing the chi energy.

 

This is why it's said to eat black foods like black beans are high in iron -- to increase the jing energy - this is to create the "yin chi" energy.

 

Meditation is just to go into the parasympathetic directly by emptying out the mind - I do this by concentration -- so I repeat the I-thought over and over to concentrate the mind and empty out any other thoughts.

 

So the heat from food is also the jing energy but it is "yin jing" energy that still has to be turned into yang jing as yin chi energy. haha.

 

Most of this is subconscious - if I get a "perv attack" -- usually I can avoid this but anyway like I said the mundane influences constantly try to lower the frequency of the energy -- and so if I don't meditate to reverse this and then say I eat a lot of food -- so I have two factors going against me -- and so then the jing energy can easily be deconverted back into fluid.

 

So the thing about meditation is that it is a subconscious process - it makes your otherwise subconscious thoughts become apparent to you -- so more and more you go into your subconscious energy to make it your superconsciousness as spirit energy.

 

But at first Chunyi says to do three times as much standing active exercise than sitting exercise. I still have not done that yet -- but at least doing 1 hour of standing active a day.

 

For example the hands are the heart channel and then holding the hands over the head -- this really then adds chi into the brain -- and various other movements really build up the energy into chi.

[Maddie]

yeah the post that joeblast did is a great overview -- so almost always I can wake myself up my dreams to stop from losing the fluid and then I go into full lotus -- but I have to make sure to concentrate the mind and wait until the fluid goes up into the brain - there is cracking noises in the neck as the vagus nerve pulsates and pulls up the lower body fluid into the brain.

 

But that's just sublimation - then it has to be purified by the heart energy - so that is only after an hour of full lotus then the left side vagus nerve pulsates down to the heart to increase the chi energy.

 

ummm.....

 

yeah I am doing more standing active exercise now that I got the c.d. for level 1 from http://springforestqigong.com - it was only $8 but really nice to have chunyi guiding the exercise.

 

So I really feel the chi energy more when I combine the standing and sitting exercises -- but yeah the western explanation is to burn off the sympathetic stress energy to its extreme by bending the knees, holding the arms out, etc. and this causes "parasympathetic rebound" to the opposite extreme of relaxation which is then creating the chi energy as the positive ions of the vagus nerve.

 

So but the eastern way utilizes the positive and negative fields of the body - and the slow breathing changes the iron instead of oxygen -- again increasing the chi energy.

 

This is why it's said to eat black foods like black beans are high in iron -- to increase the jing energy - this is to create the "yin chi" energy.

 

Meditation is just to go into the parasympathetic directly by emptying out the mind - I do this by concentration -- so I repeat the I-thought over and over to concentrate the mind and empty out any other thoughts.

 

So the heat from food is also the jing energy but it is "yin jing" energy that still has to be turned into yang jing as yin chi energy. haha.

 

Most of this is subconscious - if I get a "perv attack" -- usually I can avoid this but anyway like I said the mundane influences constantly try to lower the frequency of the energy -- and so if I don't meditate to reverse this and then say I eat a lot of food -- so I have two factors going against me -- and so then the jing energy can easily be deconverted back into fluid.

 

So the thing about meditation is that it is a subconscious process - it makes your otherwise subconscious thoughts become apparent to you -- so more and more you go into your subconscious energy to make it your superconsciousness as spirit energy.

 

But at first Chunyi says to do three times as much standing active exercise than sitting exercise. I still have not done that yet -- but at least doing 1 hour of standing active a day.

 

For example the hands are the heart channel and then holding the hands over the head -- this really then adds chi into the brain -- and various other movements really build up the energy into chi.

 

About "perv attacks" a few questions. Is this something they do usually subconsciously and can it be done at a distance even if you are not using any medium of communication at the moment? Also what/how do they do it? Might that explain my heart freaking out totally out of the blue? I also notice in addition to feeling it in my heart, I also get quite a bit in my solar plexus early on as well, but I'm not sure why.

 

Also what is the reason that Chunyi recommends 3 to 1 standing to sitting?

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About "perv attacks" a few questions. Is this something they do usually subconsciously and can it be done at a distance even if you are not using any medium of communication at the moment? Also what/how do they do it? Might that explain my heart freaking out totally out of the blue? I also notice in addition to feeling it in my heart, I also get quite a bit in my solar plexus early on as well, but I'm not sure why.

 

Also what is the reason that Chunyi recommends 3 to 1 standing to sitting?

 

yeah if you feel that you can do reverse breathing and also the index finger against the thumbs which keeps the energy from leaking out of the body.

 

umm... the perv attack -- for me to sense that -- it is something I sense through the pineal gland field of energy -- so basically the perv has their electromagnetic energy stuck in the lower body and so the "secret" intention is -- if they sense you have more energy - then they want it from you -- it is basically just attraction, etc.

 

So I'm not sure females can help it - most females -- like just going into orgasmic sighing sounds around me when they sense the jing energy is strong.

 

So yeah as Chunyi says for tantra he does not do this because when taking in the energy from the female after transmitting the male energy into the female - the female energy since the female does not meditate - so the female energy is just so much lower frequency or just the emotional jing energy.

 

But then that has to be turned back into chi energy and for Chunyi back into shen spirit energy.

 

So he says he does not do that with females.

 

But basically if you open up the third eye more than the pervs can not even sense you have extra energy for them to take because the energy is too high a frequency.

 

I notice with chi energy the perv is somewhat confused by it - they sense the energy but it takes a delayed reaction before they realize they can utilize it for their purposes. haha.

 

Anyway so again this can be subconscious because a perv will use nice words to try to fool a person to let down their defenses. So the perv -- like the speed of light - will sense that a person has extra energy -- and then like the speed of light - strike up a plan to get it - and then like the speed of light - trap the person into a "normal" conversation. The goal is to keep the person talking because when you talk then you transmit your energy out of you and they can suck it up.

 

Another way is to "get a rise out of you" and this means if the perv can not use seduction then they perv will purposely try to get you angry so that you release the energy as anger energy and they can suck that up also. But this is unfortunate since it takes meditation to purify that anger energy back into the parasympathetic internal bliss energy and the perv will not know how to do this.

 

So basically the perv is stuck in this world of addiction and so they cycle from sex-fear-anger with some sadness mixed in and worry, etc.

 

Yeah so the perv will use body language - obviously the closer they can get to you -- or if possibly body contact where a hug or even a handshake is actually really a "groping" to suck off the energy. Sometimes you can actually feel the buzzing sensation as your higher frequency energy goes into their body and then downshifts to their vibration level.

 

So emotions are the main cause of energy blockages -- and so people who don't meditate -- they are constantly sucking off the energy of people who do meditate. But the more you can open your third eye then the faster you can recharge your energy since the higher frequency energy has stronger energy intensity.

 

The other thing is when the perv attack happens to just chant in the mind to concentration your mind and effectively that sublimates your lower body energy back into the brain -- and I find that more effective even than reverse breathing.

 

Like when I had the hiccups I could not stop it by reverse breathing or flexing the diaphgram so instead I just flexed my pineal gland and the hiccups immediately stopped. haha.

 

But also the perv will want to get under your skin - and so when you sense what they are doing - then your thoughts about what they are doing actually causes you to lose energy. So that's why emptying out the mind through chanting internally as concentration - that will counteract their electromagnetic thought energy that is attempting to possess you.

 

So you can see how such interactions could happen very quickly and you notice it but then it goes subconscious again and you forgot about it - but then when sleep comes the subconscious then manifests itself again.

 

So that is why meditation should just be a must routine habit since it depends on your subconscious energy being processed correctly to prepare for sleep.

 

I am still learning about all of this - but also I just transmit energy anyway besides people trying to suck it up from me - sometimes I just transmit it since people just really need the energy and they are not able to make it themselves. haha.

 

But yeah I did five years of free healing -- and since my third eye was not fully open - then lots of times if you sent out more energy then you get back in - then it requires a lot of food to rebuild the energy and also deep meditation, etc.

 

So like I said someone recently thought I was ten years younger than I am - but that is nice but also I do have low jing energy if I don't eat good food just because people are constantly taking my energy. qigong master Jim Nance said I would have to build up my energy so that people can not even sense I have it for them to take - this means fully opening the third eye - he said it is very difficult to get to that level.

 

But I was innocent of all this until I did the training and suddenly this female made eye contact with me and suddenly I could sense she had an orgasmic reaction from my energy. It wasn't until maybe six years later that I really acknowledged that had happened when it happened again just much more blatantly as I had been sitting in full lotus in public. haha. The female lept into the air. haha.

 

Anyway so it is pretty difficult to build up the energy but as you said you already are having healing effects and that is the great thing about it - the energy is infinite from the spacetime vortex - God or the Emptiness - etc. It's just a matter of resonating with that source and actually "hoarding" the energy was considered the first great sin.

 

So I'm not complaining even though I have not gotten to a stage where I can do stronger healing or recharge my energy real fast -- I was at that stage for a few weeks but I "fell out of enlightenment" as Jim Nance said. haha. Yeah at that point you need personal supervision for the energy training.

 

Oh on the standing exercise -- it is because the feet are the main kidney energy channels.

 

I suppose as the Mo Pai people are not emphasizing - the "yin chi" energy comes out of the Earth into the feet - so ideally the exercise is done outside with barefeet.

 

But anyway so since at first it is about converting the jing to chi energy then the feet channels need to be activated and built up.

 

For example Master Nan says how babies still have strong chi in their legs so they are always kicking their legs and Master Chunyi says to massage the baby's feet to soothe the baby.

Edited May 2, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus

[Maddie]

Ok the thing with the legs makes sense since they have not only the Kidney channels which store jing, but also the Yin and Yang Wei (linking) and yin and yang chiao (motility) vessels which amongst other things act as reservoirs of qi, so I can see how building those up would increase your capacity...also once you increase your capacity more jing to qi conversion would have to take place to fill up those extra vessels...ha an in leg conversion... hmmm interesting, never thought of that.

 

The perv addiction cycle thing you mentioned was interesting as well because this evening I was meditating again and had somewhat of an insight (guess that's why they call it insight meditation lol) Anyways I noted how if you regularly are loosing your sex fluids then the two primary organs for sexual function which are in the lower dan tien / lower jiao area the Liver and Kidney are always occupied with that. The Kidneys providing the material base (fluid) and the Liver providing the functional ability with blood and qi for erection as the Liver meridian is the one that enters and circles the genitals. No real build up occurs and the common man is content. If he goes a little while with out such release then his body would begin to turn some of that excess un-employed jing into qi in his lower dan tien.

 

As this qi (small in volume it may be) rises to its abode in the middle dan tien where the heart is, it begins to stimulate the heart. Now in most cases the heart meridian is going to have a lot of blockages. As this little bit of qi begins to try and clean out heart meridian blockages its going to stir up the over-excitement/passion/impatience of the heart. This will result in making the poor bloke feel stimulated and will usually result in that stimulation ending in sexual gratification and semen loss, thus the qi of the middle dan tien is reconverted back into jing and drops down again to the lower dan tien-kidneys-genitals, thus temporarily alleviating that until the next slight amount of jing is converted to qi and round and round and round it goes.... or to put it in other words addiction.

 

The only way I could see how to push past this envelope and break the cycle was to enter into emptiness when such an event occurred as opposed to being taken over by it. That emptiness allows the blockages to be cleared with detachment so one is not carried away by it all.

 

One final note, and this is a bit more speculative on my part, but I've noticed that when a desire flare up is intense that sometimes it can take up to two hours of sitting meditation to obtain a decent amount of emptiness. What I've noticed is towards the end of these two hour sessions that mindfulness of desire sensations gives way to awareness of the role of ego in my life. So what I'm wondering/speculating is that just in the way a wee bit of jing converted to qi in the lower dan tien and rising do the middle can cause the symptoms I mentioned before, if after a bit of emptiness if some of that qi in the middle dan tien is converting to shen and rising to the upper dan tien..... thus the quite profound insights into ego?

Edited May 2, 2013 by dmattwads

[voidisyinyang]

Ok the thing with the legs makes sense since they have not only the Kidney channels which store jing, but also the Yin and Yang Wei (linking) and yin and yang chiao (motility) vessels which amongst other things act as reservoirs of qi, so I can see how building those up would increase your capacity...also once you increase your capacity more jing to qi conversion would have to take place to fill up those extra vessels...ha an in leg conversion... hmmm interesting, never thought of that.

 

The perv addiction cycle thing you mentioned was interesting as well because this evening I was meditating again and had somewhat of an insight (guess that's why they call it insight meditation lol) Anyways I noted how if you regularly are loosing your sex fluids then the two primary organs for sexual function which are in the lower dan tien / lower jiao area the Liver and Kidney are always occupied with that. The Kidneys providing the material base (fluid) and the Liver providing the functional ability with blood and qi for erection as the Liver meridian is the one that enters and circles the genitals. No real build up occurs and the common man is content. If he goes a little while with out such release then his body would begin to turn some of that excess un-employed jing into qi in his lower dan tien.

 

As this qi (small in volume it may be) rises to its abode in the middle dan tien where the heart is, it begins to stimulate the heart. Now in most cases the heart meridian is going to have a lot of blockages. As this little bit of qi begins to try and clean out heart meridian blockages its going to stir up the over-excitement/passion/impatience of the heart. This will result in making the poor bloke feel stimulated and will usually result in that stimulation ending in sexual gratification and semen loss, thus the qi of the middle dan tien is reconverted back into jing and drops down again to the lower dan tien-kidneys-genitals, thus temporarily alleviating that until the next slight amount of jing is converted to qi and round and round and round it goes.... or to put it in other words addiction.

 

The only way I could see how to push past this envelope and break the cycle was to enter into emptiness when such an event occurred as opposed to being taken over by it. That emptiness allows the blockages to be cleared with detachment so one is not carried away by it all.

 

One final note, and this is a bit more speculative on my part, but I've noticed that when a desire flare up is intense that sometimes it can take up to two hours of sitting meditation to obtain a decent amount of emptiness. What I've noticed is towards the end of these two hour sessions that mindfulness of desire sensations gives way to awareness of the role of ego in my life. So what I'm wondering/speculating is that just in the way a wee bit of jing converted to qi in the lower dan tien and rising do the middle can cause the symptoms I mentioned before, if after a bit of emptiness if some of that qi in the middle dan tien is converting to shen and rising to the upper dan tien..... thus the quite profound insights into ego?

 

yeah the internal orgasm is -- orgasm is called "little death" since it goes into the Emptiness -- and so the internal orgasm means the lower emotional energy has been sublimated up finally. I've had some perv attacks take me 8 hours of full lotus - but that's not meditation -- just full lotus sitting. So the mind concentration definitely speeds up the process.

 

This is why the "mind celibacy" is the foundation for the training - and all these "semen retention" threads are b.s. because if the person's goal is semen retention then they will just create more problems - the goal is to create chi energy and this requires mind celibacy.

 

So that is the difference between the fake Western tantra and the real meditation tantra -- which is still very limited - but at least can heal the body and create real love happiness. It might also manifest a lot of blockages that otherwise would be subconscious -- so like for me I am very sensitive to food - it goes to my head easily - especially if I'm around people sucking up my energy as that creates a vacuum in the brain that then pulls up the lower body energy more quickly.

 

Anyway.

[Maddie]

yeah the internal orgasm is -- orgasm is called "little death" since it goes into the Emptiness -- and so the internal orgasm means the lower emotional energy has been sublimated up finally. I've had some perv attacks take me 8 hours of full lotus - but that's not meditation -- just full lotus sitting. So the mind concentration definitely speeds up the process.

 

This is why the "mind celibacy" is the foundation for the training - and all these "semen retention" threads are b.s. because if the person's goal is semen retention then they will just create more problems - the goal is to create chi energy and this requires mind celibacy.

 

So that is the difference between the fake Western tantra and the real meditation tantra -- which is still very limited - but at least can heal the body and create real love happiness. It might also manifest a lot of blockages that otherwise would be subconscious -- so like for me I am very sensitive to food - it goes to my head easily - especially if I'm around people sucking up my energy as that creates a vacuum in the brain that then pulls up the lower body energy more quickly.

 

Anyway.

 

So right after my last post my roommate comes home and is like hey lets go out and get a few drinks. So we go out to this bar and meet her bf and another friend. I hadn't been out in a little while because for one its the end of the semester and I'm broke and two I've sort of been using the break as a meditative retreat time. But not wanting to be too anti-social I agree. Well its not really any secret that bars are meat markets and everyone is on the prowl, especially guys. So needless to say after returning home after being in a place with a bunch of hungry wolves I'm feeling the effect... sheesh.

[oildrops]

dmattwads, do you notice this effect of people draining your energy being in college? I feel totally drained after being around so many zombie-cow-people all day.

 

I want to cultivate sexual desire in a healthy and natural way. I am constantly experimenting with ways to tune my natural state. My goal lately has been to increase my testosterone and raw sexual energy and masculinity, flirt with as many girls as I can, and enjoy the buzz I get from it. It must be spring.

 

That said, a few things that help me when I am trying to be as unsexual as possible- avoiding spicey foods is huge for me, and stretching the inner legs seems to really help.

[joeblast]

heh - D - you can already identify it - "here we go again" - so change what that protocol is - funny the other day I got a ring in my ear so instead of my other method I tried drew's pineal gland technique - sucked it up and gone like a vacuum what I'm saying is, since you can recognize the energy potential itself, make that transient spike more rounded, learn what you need to do when it arises, where best to redirect the arising potentials.

[Maddie]

Thanks guys for the advice and encouragement. As Brodi says this issue is THE hard one (pun lol) and in the end you just have to mindfulness your way through it. Though I did have a couple more insights.

 

The first is now I see why most monks don't drink any if a whole lot lol. So after I came home from the bar last night I felt another desire flare up as I had posted. What sucked was that since I had been drinking I just couldn't meditate for nothing. I sat there for 20 min trying and my mind just couldn't do it. So with no mindfulness I just kind of laid there half the night and did my best to be aware of it, ugh not fun... desire induced insomnia lol :-/.

 

The second was when I first woke up it hit me. I saw how you can describe this process (my insight post yesterday about the rising of energies) in multiple ways. Basically my explanation yesterday about qi rising to the heart meridian and cleaning out blockages and all the side effects that causes was the Taoist/Chinese take on the matter.

 

What I saw this morning was that the Hindu/Yoga/Indian explanation was describing the same thing, but just in a different way. So yesterday I mentioned how if you abstain for X amount of time the unused jing converts to qi in the lower dan tien rising to the middle dan tien and purging the heart and heart meridian thus producing all those desire side effects. Well the Indian take on the matter says the same thing, but just in a different way. They would say as Kundulini rises from the Root to Sacral chakra it begins to burn of Sacral chakra blockages and you have desire issues, as the Sacral chakra lies in the middle of the lower dan tien.

[Maddie]

dmattwads, do you notice this effect of people draining your energy being in college? I feel totally drained after being around so many zombie-cow-people all day.

 

I want to cultivate sexual desire in a healthy and natural way. I am constantly experimenting with ways to tune my natural state. My goal lately has been to increase my testosterone and raw sexual energy and masculinity, flirt with as many girls as I can, and enjoy the buzz I get from it. It must be spring.

 

That said, a few things that help me when I am trying to be as unsexual as possible- avoiding spicey foods is huge for me, and stretching the inner legs seems to really help.

 

Hey Oildrops. The main thing I'm noticing now I'd say isn't so much people draining my energy... well wait yea sort of but since I'm in TCM school I only notice that after doing acupuncture on patients lol, but people converting my energy. Drew was explaining this and I've noticed that it does seem to work this way. Like that bar I went to last night. Obviously everyone knows bars are meat markets so you have a bunch of horny guys on the prowl looking for girls. Of course you also have girls doing the same, but with guys being yang its more intense and noticeable. So that frequency the guys operates on has this way of trying to cause your body to reverse the jing-qi-shen conversion process. Yesterday I was noting that I personally notice this beginning to happen when my heart "freaks out". According to Drew this is the parasympathetic to sympathetic nervous system switch which makes sense. But even if I had not gone out this process is not always easy because once you abstain for a while and you get all that extra qi clearing out Heart meridian blockages things can get intense lol. Bill Brodi says there is really no easy way around it, and pretty much the only thing you can do is cultivate emptiness which I have found to be really the only way personally as well. Though I do agree with you about spicy food, also beef and yang foods in general do make it more difficult. I'll try the inner leg stretch.

[Maddie]

Had an interesting insight during meditation this morning. It suddenly occurred to me that the story of Sampson and Delia is all about cultivation. Sampson was strong while his hair was long. Hair is one of the outward manifestation of Kidney jing. As long as Sampson didn't loose his "hair" / Kidney jing to a woman he was strong. After he lost it to a woman who cut off his "hair" or took his jing he was weak, and then blinded as all that shen in his upper dan tien that gave him spiritual sight was lost as it was de-converted back to sex fluids. Also when he was strong he was able to defeat all his enemies which you can think of as all the blockages in your channels that give you problems. But after loosing his strength his enemies took him and made him push that grind stone around in circles endlessly. Round and round in the addictive world of Samsara. Just thought it was and interesting parallel. :-)

[oildrops]

The term "meat market" is just gross. I know what you mean though, and alcohol makes me have a lot of desire as well. I will typically pleasure myself after a night of drinking. Probably because the liver is taxed.

 

For myself, there is a huge trade-off in terms of being functional in society in a positive way, and cultivating. When building jing, and cultivating things do get pretty intense, and my interactions with people become more extreme. Some people start to become more aggressive, and coincidence more common. I want to be able to get through this stage, but it generally begins to inconvenience me to the point where I eat some meat and release jing just to bring myself back down and have life run smoothly. I feel like if I eventually just stick it out and let the energy build longer, even when it gets uncomfortable and things start getting weird, that I will have interesting experiences. Growth is terrifying, because it usually includes something happening to disrupt any equilibrium you have achieved. Full jing seems to speed things along in the personal growth realm. I think I would rather have it go slowly, so that I can interact with and have a greater positive impact on others, rather than not be able to relate anymore to anything except energy, and subsequently fall back down. My foundation is still under construction.

[joeblast]

it makes me curious - the body produces different enzymes for digesting meat proteins vs digesting plant proteins. is there some byproduct of having (ongoing production) the animal enzyme that is detrimental to cultivation in some fashion? I'm sure its more than just protein density.

[Maddie]

The term "meat market" is just gross. I know what you mean though, and alcohol makes me have a lot of desire as well. I will typically pleasure myself after a night of drinking. Probably because the liver is taxed.

 

For myself, there is a huge trade-off in terms of being functional in society in a positive way, and cultivating. When building jing, and cultivating things do get pretty intense, and my interactions with people become more extreme. Some people start to become more aggressive, and coincidence more common. I want to be able to get through this stage, but it generally begins to inconvenience me to the point where I eat some meat and release jing just to bring myself back down and have life run smoothly. I feel like if I eventually just stick it out and let the energy build longer, even when it gets uncomfortable and things start getting weird, that I will have interesting experiences. Growth is terrifying, because it usually includes something happening to disrupt any equilibrium you have achieved. Full jing seems to speed things along in the personal growth realm. I think I would rather have it go slowly, so that I can interact with and have a greater positive impact on others, rather than not be able to relate anymore to anything except energy, and subsequently fall back down. My foundation is still under construction.

 

Yes the term meat market is gross, so is the experience of being there haha. The problem with alcohol aside from lowering your inhibitions is that it makes meditation harder or impossible. Usually when I feel a desire flare up if I can sit in mindfulness meditation for a while it clears it right up. Last night however I was unable to meditate due to the alcohol so I just had to sit there and endure.

 

I totally understand your difficulty and frustration with abstinence for a while. Here is the main key if your doing it for a spiritual goal, you have to do it with a lot of meditation. Abstinence alone will just drive you insane and beyond a certain point isn't even good for you as it can lead to stagnation. Meditation with out enough fuel (your sexual energy) just won't have the octane to do much transformation to you. The key is abstinence AND meditation. If you abstain and cultivate emptiness through meditation, that sexual energy is TRANSFORMED and that is the real secret. ;-)

[Maddie]

For lack of a better place to post this, I chose to this thread as I've already noted some of my meditation experiences here.

 

My last few meditations I've noticed whats been coming up during mindfulness seems to be now more Liver and some Spleen stuff, as opposed to the Heart and Lung stuff of a few days ago.

 

Seems now that as I sit in meditation instead of desire coming up from the heart as it was, now its more so planning/decision making/ problem solving/ anger of the Liver and GB. I even had that liver cramp type feeling that you often get if your running or swimming. I suppose now that the Liver is taking its turn in using the qi from meditation to clear out blockages? I've also noticed my desire to know and learn and my tendency to ponder has increased (which can be distracting during meditation) so I attribute this to my Spleen as those are its roles.

 

This trend seems to indicate that my organs are working their way down. First heart and lungs, and now liver and spleen. I wonder why that is?

[voidisyinyang]

For lack of a better place to post this, I chose to this thread as I've already noted some of my meditation experiences here.

 

My last few meditations I've noticed whats been coming up during mindfulness seems to be now more Liver and some Spleen stuff, as opposed to the Heart and Lung stuff of a few days ago.

 

Seems now that as I sit in meditation instead of desire coming up from the heart as it was, now its more so planning/decision making/ problem solving/ anger of the Liver and GB. I even had that liver cramp type feeling that you often get if your running or swimming. I suppose now that the Liver is taking its turn in using the qi from meditation to clear out blockages? I've also noticed my desire to know and learn and my tendency to ponder has increased (which can be distracting during meditation) so I attribute this to my Spleen as those are its roles.

 

This trend seems to indicate that my organs are working their way down. First heart and lungs, and now liver and spleen. I wonder why that is?

 

 

well it's all yin chi energy at this point -- so when you build it up then the middle of the brain gots hot. haha.

 

ummm......... so do you practice mind concentration -- like for me I hold onto the I-thought - just repeat I-I-I-I and cancel out any other thoughts. This is still a low level -- but the goal is then to increase the light energy experienced.

 

It all depends - if you can do visualization and see light - that's great - but sounds like you stil have the "monkey mind" problem - it's better than just falling asleep. A lot of times I fall asleep in full lotus and then the sublimation of the energy wakes me up. haha. Sad that it takes meditation for me to get the good sleep I need but then sleep is natural meditation!

 

yeah relaxation is the key though - so if you are worrying about meditation - then maybe just forget about your mind and just do more standing active exercises -- to give the mind a rest. Then go back to try mind concentration if you practice that.

 

But the small universe is a right brain visualization meditation - that's why it's called a tantra practice by Bodri and Nan - so I use that also - that will definitely balance out any organ energies for you.

 

How come no one says" For the Love of God! --- haha. That was a fun cliche back in the day.

[skydog]

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Edited May 3, 2013 by sinansencer

[Maddie]

well it's all yin chi energy at this point -- so when you build it up then the middle of the brain gots hot. haha.

 

ummm......... so do you practice mind concentration -- like for me I hold onto the I-thought - just repeat I-I-I-I and cancel out any other thoughts. This is still a low level -- but the goal is then to increase the light energy experienced.

 

It all depends - if you can do visualization and see light - that's great - but sounds like you stil have the "monkey mind" problem - it's better than just falling asleep. A lot of times I fall asleep in full lotus and then the sublimation of the energy wakes me up. haha. Sad that it takes meditation for me to get the good sleep I need but then sleep is natural meditation!

 

yeah relaxation is the key though - so if you are worrying about meditation - then maybe just forget about your mind and just do more standing active exercises -- to give the mind a rest. Then go back to try mind concentration if you practice that.

 

But the small universe is a right brain visualization meditation - that's why it's called a tantra practice by Bodri and Nan - so I use that also - that will definitely balance out any organ energies for you.

 

How come no one says" For the Love of God! --- haha. That was a fun cliche back in the day.

 

Hey, yea I typically do two types of meditation which I alternate. The first is mantra. The second is Mindfulness. The specific kind of mindfulness I'm going for is Samatha meditation at the moment and yes I do the same thing as you except as opposed to "I" I used "Buh" and the inhale and "Doh" on the exhale... so Buh-do,buh-do,buh-do. Earlier this week when I was having that desire flare up issue it got so loud it was a bit distracting so during those days I did mindfulness of the body and thoughts (since that is where I was experiencing that) as it was too loud to do regular Samatha.

 

Happily for me I just finished a legitimate Samatha meditation as its supposed to be done :-). In some ways an actual Samatha session is more difficult because the mind has less to keep it busy (which is the point I know haha). Brodi said to do one practice you love and one that you hate. Well I like mantra and really don't enjoy Samatha at all lol, so I guess I have that covered. I noticed Brodi isn't too keen on the small universe meditation, what are your thoughts on that?

 

*edit: oh I saw this on Brodi's site, and this is exactly how I've been feeling. Yes taming that monkey mind is challenging lol

 

 

 

Two barriers are especially troublesome at the early stages of the path -- sexual desire and the habit of clinging to the body/ego thinking it to be the real you. Let go of both and you'll find that your consciousness is non-local.

Okay, now your vital energies are being unleashed because of proper 'emptiness generating meditation' -- what else can you expect?

Usually, now it will become easy to get irritated or angry because your unleashed kundalini life force vital energies are now always 'below the surface' shaking at the vital chi energies you cling to that are involved with your habits and personality. They're trying to go upwards and are hitting all these other obstructions.

Because that entire suit of chi you're clinging to (wearing) is unstable, it's very easy to set it off and become angry or irritated, especially now that your mind is clearer and you can see everything. Usually there are liver energies involved in this, but to go into with depth is a complicated discussion.

http://www.meditationexpert.com/meditation-techniques/m_basic_meditation_lessons_and_principles_and_techniques.htm

Edited May 4, 2013 by dmattwads

[voidisyinyang]

Yeah I experience the anger the opposite way when people around me try to pull my energy down -- as I explained. Anyway but I know Master Nan saying how modern people should probably not even meditate since it just makes them angry all the time. haha. I mean the love bliss is awesome but the lower emotions also include the over-excitement of the heart - so while the real spirit realm is beyond feelings.

 

So with the small universe their main grip is people thinking it's real chi energy when it's usually just the jing energy as dirty chi or wind chi or whatever they call it but "yin chi" energy. But then the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" - they acknowledge in "Measuring Meditation" that the Taoist Yoga book is a very fast route of practice but also very dangerous for that reason. The whole book is the small universe but it details all the different stages of small universe - including the first stage before the jing energy is filled up in the lower tan tien. Most people never get to the stage of filling up the lower tan tien.

 

For me when the lower tan tien was really hot then I just switched to fasting and meditating more -- I did that for a week before the Level 3 retreat with qigong master Chunyi Lin and then I asked him what I should do and he said let me read your aura and then he said to keep my mouth shut and he left the room and then my brain was ON FIRE - in the center of my brain. haha. I could not handle it and then later he said I was not ready yet. But when I had the room spinning around me - he said I should have called him. I finally did find the explanation in the Taoist Yoga book -- so I had to surround my spirit shen energy with more chi energy in the lower tan tien - my spirit was leaving my body without enough chi energy.

 

Anyway so the main thing with Bodri and Nan is that when you reach that stage when the jing energy is filled up then it's really necessary to practice mind yoga - the source of the I-thought - because you have to go into the non-local consciousness as the focus. For me it was like - o.k. if I start astral travel that just seems like another gimmick - so sure I suppose it would be adventurous - but I didn't -- I wasn't really interested. I was kind of like what's the point.

 

But at the stage I should have been like "who am I to think what's the point?" It is too easy to cling to the mind as the powers increase and this causes disharmonization - and so even astral travel is also an ego mind experience - and so the mind has to continue going into the Emptiness -- the formless realm - to reharmonize the energy.

 

But anyway like Sean Denty said that Mantak Chia when he does his "dark room" meditation he can't even really see much light because his third eye is not fully opened up. So for that kind of teacher to be teaching the microcosmic orbit - none of the students are going to be able to really open up the third eye fully with it since the teacher is not at the level. But for Wang Liping he has had a few students at least fill up the jing energy to really activate the pre-natal chi energy as the kundalini experience to really do the small universe practice. At that stage it is called "immortal breathing" and it is also the same as Nirvikalpa samadhi - so the chi energy cycles up while the shen spirit energy goes down and physical breathing is at a minimum. "Breathless ecstacy" is what Shri Yukteswar called it.

 

I started to reach that stage back in 2000 and so it is very difficult to get back to that for me - but if I reached it again I would definitely do mind yoga as source of the I-thought as Nan and Bodri recommend.

 

 

Hey, yea I typically do two types of meditation which I alternate. The first is mantra. The second is Mindfulness. The specific kind of mindfulness I'm going for is Samatha meditation at the moment and yes I do the same thing as you except as opposed to "I" I used "Buh" and the inhale and "Doh" on the exhale... so Buh-do,buh-do,buh-do. Earlier this week when I was having that desire flare up issue it got so loud it was a bit distracting so during those days I did mindfulness of the body and thoughts (since that is where I was experiencing that) as it was too loud to do regular Samatha.

 

Happily for me I just finished a legitimate Samatha meditation as its supposed to be done :-). In some ways an actual Samatha session is more difficult because the mind has less to keep it busy (which is the point I know haha). Brodi said to do one practice you love and one that you hate. Well I like mantra and really don't enjoy Samatha at all lol, so I guess I have that covered. I noticed Brodi isn't too keen on the small universe meditation, what are your thoughts on that?

 

*edit: oh I saw this on Brodi's site, and this is exactly how I've been feeling. Yes taming that monkey mind is challenging lol

 

 

 

http://www.meditationexpert.com/meditation-techniques/m_basic_meditation_lessons_and_principles_and_techniques.htm

[Maddie]

Yeah I experience the anger the opposite way when people around me try to pull my energy down -- as I explained. Anyway but I know Master Nan saying how modern people should probably not even meditate since it just makes them angry all the time. haha. I mean the love bliss is awesome but the lower emotions also include the over-excitement of the heart - so while the real spirit realm is beyond feelings.

 

So with the small universe their main grip is people thinking it's real chi energy when it's usually just the jing energy as dirty chi or wind chi or whatever they call it but "yin chi" energy. But then the book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" - they acknowledge in "Measuring Meditation" that the Taoist Yoga book is a very fast route of practice but also very dangerous for that reason. The whole book is the small universe but it details all the different stages of small universe - including the first stage before the jing energy is filled up in the lower tan tien. Most people never get to the stage of filling up the lower tan tien.

 

For me when the lower tan tien was really hot then I just switched to fasting and meditating more -- I did that for a week before the Level 3 retreat with qigong master Chunyi Lin and then I asked him what I should do and he said let me read your aura and then he said to keep my mouth shut and he left the room and then my brain was ON FIRE - in the center of my brain. haha. I could not handle it and then later he said I was not ready yet. But when I had the room spinning around me - he said I should have called him. I finally did find the explanation in the Taoist Yoga book -- so I had to surround my spirit shen energy with more chi energy in the lower tan tien - my spirit was leaving my body without enough chi energy.

 

Anyway so the main thing with Bodri and Nan is that when you reach that stage when the jing energy is filled up then it's really necessary to practice mind yoga - the source of the I-thought - because you have to go into the non-local consciousness as the focus. For me it was like - o.k. if I start astral travel that just seems like another gimmick - so sure I suppose it would be adventurous - but I didn't -- I wasn't really interested. I was kind of like what's the point.

 

But at the stage I should have been like "who am I to think what's the point?" It is too easy to cling to the mind as the powers increase and this causes disharmonization - and so even astral travel is also an ego mind experience - and so the mind has to continue going into the Emptiness -- the formless realm - to reharmonize the energy.

 

But anyway like Sean Denty said that Mantak Chia when he does his "dark room" meditation he can't even really see much light because his third eye is not fully opened up. So for that kind of teacher to be teaching the microcosmic orbit - none of the students are going to be able to really open up the third eye fully with it since the teacher is not at the level. But for Wang Liping he has had a few students at least fill up the jing energy to really activate the pre-natal chi energy as the kundalini experience to really do the small universe practice. At that stage it is called "immortal breathing" and it is also the same as Nirvikalpa samadhi - so the chi energy cycles up while the shen spirit energy goes down and physical breathing is at a minimum. "Breathless ecstacy" is what Shri Yukteswar called it.

 

I started to reach that stage back in 2000 and so it is very difficult to get back to that for me - but if I reached it again I would definitely do mind yoga as source of the I-thought as Nan and Bodri recommend.

 

Hmm interesting. I remember I nabbed the Taoist Yoga book off the shelf at a book store a couple years ago mainly because I remember you talking about it a lot and then I happened past it and thought "oh I should get this, it might come in handy later lol". I might need to take a peek at it, though I remember it being hard to understand last time I did.

 

So I just did another session of meditation and now I feel less irritable, and also I didn't mind doing the meditation as much this time around. It seems that at this point in my life I need to get to the 3-4 hour a day mark to really notice much. Prior to that there is lots of monkey mind lol.

 

As far as the anger today went I sort of chalked it up to my Liver channel being cleared out today as Brodi points to in that article of his. I think the term "worry" I used earlier wasn't really the best term to use. Its more like my mind was going a million miles an hour wanting to know and think, which I chalked up to my Spleen channel being cleared. At the moment I feel pretty good, but then again I finally reached that 3+ hour point when that happens for me now.

 

One thing I'm very curious about is why is it so difficult for you to get back to the point you were at, at 2000?

[voidisyinyang]

Hmm interesting. I remember I nabbed the Taoist Yoga book off the shelf at a book store a couple years ago mainly because I remember you talking about it a lot and then I happened past it and thought "oh I should get this, it might come in handy later lol". I might need to take a peek at it, though I remember it being hard to understand last time I did.

 

So I just did another session of meditation and now I feel less irritable, and also I didn't mind doing the meditation as much this time around. It seems that at this point in my life I need to get to the 3-4 hour a day mark to really notice much. Prior to that there is lots of monkey mind lol.

 

As far as the anger today went I sort of chalked it up to my Liver channel being cleared out today as Brodi points to in that article of his. I think the term "worry" I used earlier wasn't really the best term to use. Its more like my mind was going a million miles an hour wanting to know and think, which I chalked up to my Spleen channel being cleared. At the moment I feel pretty good, but then again I finally reached that 3+ hour point when that happens for me now.

 

One thing I'm very curious about is why is it so difficult for you to get back to the point you were at, at 2000?

 

Well I was practicing six hours a day then - on my own. Actually in some ways I am still at that level as the middle of my brain is permanent magnetized. So after that I was able to sense other people's energy around me and how it was affecting my energy - what normally would be on a subconscious level for people.

 

So when I did the original training I had been on a vegan diet, was not exercising that much, was not online, was reading meditation books, was taking the Spring Forest Qigong classes regularly and going to the weekend guild meetings, had a car for that -- was working only on the weekend with hardly anyone around.....

 

So I was able to build up my energy to the point of opening up the third eye but it was too much too fast and then it wasn't 10 years later till I found the passage in Taoist Yoga which explained the experience I had and why, as I have mentioned - the spinning of the room, the dizziness. http://www.scribd.com/doc/34350503/Lu-K-Uan-Yu-Taoist-Yoga-Alchemy-and-Immortality the book is free online here

 

So also I had to process how people were reacting to me - so my goal was to basically process the emotional energy as you have described - or what Mantak Chia calls "fusion of the five elements."

 

Umm - -I still am doing that because most of it is how people react to the energy. People freak out if you want to meditate all the time since they don't understand.

 

So as qigong master Jim nance says -- "the system of the family" -- healing the family -- and so now I can meditate more since my mom got healed by Jim Nance and so she has to respect the power of the meditation. haha.

 

Anyway I moved nine times in one year looking for a quiet place to practice but Chunyi said at the level I got to you really want to be in Nature - undisturbed. So the energy can be harmonized more easily.

 

umm -- yeah when I was building up my energy then I was getting hit on a lot and so then I just started sitting in full lotus in public as my pre-emptive defense and then the energy shot out of my eyes and caused this female to leap into the air. haha. At the same time the lower body energy shot up my back.

 

So then I tested that out and I figured - o.k. I will just continue sitting in full lotus in pubic and then the females kept chasing after me - but I just transmited energy into them or let them suck it out of me and with the mutual climax as the result.

 

So I did that for five years - every day -- mutual climaxes all day long - and the female display behavior was very dramatic - and I then read one book a day while I was doing the full lotus all day doing mutual climaxes. So then I translated my research online and into a book - to have "intellectual defense" for my previous energy experiences.

 

So the point of that is I was not taking Spring Forest Qigong classes at the time - the last class I took was in 2005 and the next class I took was just a couple weeks ago!!!

 

haha. So I wanted to make sure my family wasn't going to accuse me of being in a cult -- so I was just living on my own, working, etc. and researching to translate the experiences back to science so I would have "intellectual defense" if I needed it.

 

O.K. so I was not storing up my energy but I was celibate physically since I was burning off my energy but my brain was constantly leaching all the lower body anaerobic crap bacteria since I was not purifying my jing energy. I was just "flexing" my pineal gland and turning the sex fluid from up my back and then right into chi energy that went through walls, ceilings, etc.

 

Even now if I am not in full lotus and a female stands in front of me - if she is young then her jjing energy will suck up my third eye energy - and my eyes will pulsate as I feel the biophotons getting sucked out of me. I will be reading a book - not even looking at the female - my eyes will pulsate so much that the words on the book are pulsating. haha.

 

So that is just the natural flow of the energy. It is difficult to build up because I live with four females and so they do what ever they need to do to get the energy from me. Because females need the male electromagnetic energy.

 

So that is fine with me - but if the third eye is not fully open then it is difficult to recharge the jing energy. So my jing energy is actually low now and so I have to eat a lot of meat, etc. --

 

Anyway it's not bad - it's just normal lowering of energy with age. Whereas if I had stored up my energy then I could have worked on getting my energy back to where it was.

 

What happened is I stopped practicing for a few months because the energy had been so strong and intellectually I didn't understand how to control the energy, etc. and I didn't understand people's responses to it.

 

For example I did a healing and someone had a liver blockage and so they were just screaming at me, the worse I had ever been screamed it and I had been fasting so my energy was very pure and very sensitive to emotional energy. So then I was like - wow I worked so hard to build up my energy and this is what I get! haha.

 

So the person called me two weeks later asking for another healing saying the previous one had been the "difference between night and day" and when I brought up the screaming and that I had stopped practicing then I was told I was just lazy. haha.

 

It's just that I didn't understand the reason they had screamed at me is because I had done an exorcism of them as they had been possessed by their liver spirit energy from alcoholism.

 

Anyway so I continued doing healing not just love healing from giving females orgasms but also more healing of other emotional blockages - sadness and anger, etc.

 

But when I first trained I was innocent - I had no idea that when I built up the energy it would turn me into a "chick magnet." haha. And in the scene I was in the females were very aggressive - staring at my "member" and pumping their legs and asking me to move in with them and whatever -- stuff like that.

 

But my position was that females need the energy and they can do whatever they want to get it - so I had females giving me lap dances and saying they were having orgasms in front of me, etc. and I would just sit in full lotus the whole time with a wry smile on my face. haha. Other people would look on in astonishment. haha.

 

But anyway the third eye energy also goes out the back of the head - it's not necessary to have eye contact - it goes through the ceilings, through walls, long distance, etc.

 

So yeah at first I got a lot of energy master transmissions and that is really the key --

 

but also I was able to practice meditation more.

 

You just gotta keep at it. As Chunyi says - it's all good - good, better and best.

 

The energy is infinite since it's from non-local consciousness -- so you just keep resonating with the consciousness and the energy goes whereever it is needed. It might not be stored up in my body personally but at least there is that permanent connection with the non-local consciousness - the Emptiness - through the pineal gland connection to the heart energy.

 

Oh yeah Taoist Yoga book says giving females orgasm is a big no no - it's called False Fire of the Heart -- so again I just did not study the book closely enough.

 

ummm.... False Fire of the Heart means you don't have mind celibacy and without mind celibacy you are really not creating chi energy from the jing energy.

 

So anyway yeah I guess sitting in full lotus in public was a mistake as that just made the females want to suck up the chi energy as it built up in my brain and went out of my eyes.

 

So the females would position themselves to better receive the energy -- called "female display behavior" -- and so that included pretty much everything....

 

And so my attitude was well I was sitting here first, etc. haha.

 

Sometimes my pineal gland would start pulsating and I'm thinking - o.k. who is sucking off my energy? I don't see the female? She woudl be say sitting behind me.

 

Once I was in full lotus in a Somalian restaurant and I had an internal orgasm and I go - o.k. where's the female who just sucked out my pineal gland energy?

 

turned out she was sitting next to me but on the other side of the wooden wall that was the enclosed hidden "female" area of the restaurant. haha.

 

I have TONS of "O at a D" stories like that from five years of doing it. haha.

Edited May 4, 2013 by pythagoreanfulllotus