Biff Posted October 3, 2009 I have just been doing a bit of reading on this after posting in the David 'Messy Verdesi' thread. Looks interesting and there seems to be some talk of it in different forums. If I am not mistaken, the teacher or linage holder (Elijah Wilson - Thundermind) actually posts here! so it would be great to hear more about this method. Â Had anyone ever had any experience with it? I read in one forum that Eli can produce the same kind of electric energy that can be felt just the same as in Ying Yang Gong... Would love to hear from Eli or anyone that has trained in his system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites