Reflections on Masturbating This Morning

[Moon Knight]

So I woke up this morning and was feeling a bit lustful, and inclined to peruse some porn. However, unlike many times in the past (which is NOT to say that I do this frequently at all) I felt fairly collected and calm today, and thus felt like doing something more than jerking it.

 

I've dabbled with introductory sexual kung fu exercises in the past (pc exercises, sharpening the spear, heating the cauldron, pressing the perineum point to stop ejaculation) but had decided to set that aside until I had a firmer grasp of microcosmic orbit and some other basic Taoist meditative techniques.

 

However, today, on the back of recent success circulating the microcosmic orbit and performing what I believe is embryonic breathing (or pretty damn close), I decided to experiment with some perineum/anal breathing. So while taking my time enjoying myself I tried to relax and direct my energy down and back, breathing with the perineum/anus (though not contracting or otherwise tensing that area). Whenever I felt like I was becoming overstimulated I stopped touching myself and just breathed.

 

After five or six ups and downs like this I decided to let it go and see what would happen. I admittedly lost some mental control as I climaxed but I think considering this was my first experiment with this I kept my attention fairly well, and where my attention was lost was more upwards than down. Anyway, I did ejaculate but not as much, nor with as much force, as usual, especially given the amount of times I stopped and started. I did feel a rush through my nervous system, though not as powerful and repetitive as on some occasions when I've been highly aroused and/or focused on the third eye when climaxing.

 

Most notably, while breathing from my perineum I felt a growing warmth in my back and rising energy in my head. Following my climax I felt a surge of hot energy up my back, over my head and down my chest, presumably through the microcosmic orbit. Afterwards I laid down on my back and tried to focus on my lower tan tien because my heart was racing (too much heat, especially in the upper levels I guess?). I ended up circulating the orbit a bit, but then decided to get up, sit in a chair and circulate it properly.

 

Circulating the orbit seemed fairly standard, but with a few noticeable differences. My navel point became much hotter than it has in any of my recent practice sessions. The tingling/pressure sensation I usually get when navigating between the jade pillow point, over my head, to the throat was considerably less pronounced. The Qi overall seemed warmer, but slower to pass from point to point.

 

After circulating I noticed my testicles, and to a lesser degree my penis, were fairly cool despite the rest of my torso, including the sperm palace and perineum regions above and below my genitals, being fairly warm.

 

I don't feel tired and depleted, yet I'm not 100% sure I'd be ready for another round yet either (this was only about 20-30 minutes ago). Maybe though. However I definitely got soft after the experience which sexual kung fu masters apparently don't? Does that mean I lost jing? Did I lose less jing than I might have otherwise?

 

What about circulating right after? It seemed to be what my body wanted/needed, though supposedly you're supposed to wait several hours, if not several days before practice again after sex.

 

Was the heat just blood rushing out of my penis after being trapped in there for a long spell, or was that qi? Or was it both in this case?

 

Thoughts on anything?

 

I'll post again later after I meditate/practice circulating at my usual time. I feel like I should at least try and see what it feels like.

[orb]

 

Thoughts on anything?

 

I'll post again later after I meditate/practice circulating at my usual time. I feel like I should at least try and see what it feels like.

 

Here some thoughts:

Stop masturbating now.

Masturbation has nothing to do with meditation or any chi work.

In fact the more you masturbate the more you distance yourself from a true spiritual path.

Mantak Chia is a total moron and all his sexual kung-fu is garbage. He teaches you smth that he never attained and he didn't attain simply because it's not real. But it sells because it's a convenient approach for weak people. Things don't work that way. The theory is wrong. Sorry.

 

Masturbation reflects the big mess that's in your head - so the most dangerous part is the actual mental masturbation that occurs constantly inside you.

 

Think about this and understand it - get rid of your sexual imagination and your life will be much better. Continue to play with your penis like a crazy monkey and you'll get nowhere at best.

 

Peace, I'm out

[King Kabalabhati]

 

As if Chia was the only one talking about "sharpening the spear"...

 

Ayurvedic medicine also talks about improving sexual capabilities through similar techniques, along with many Tao/Kundalini/Tantra teachers I've heard of. This is not meant to argue about whether these techniques are beneficial or "real cultivation". That I don't know for sure and I doubt if you do either.

 

But I totally agree about sexual imagination. It is not beneficial to fantasize sexually, but to stay in the reality.

Edited October 11, 2009 by King Kabalabhati

[rene]

Thoughts on anything?

 

Any excuse is better than none.

[Encephalon]

Geeez -

I'm entirely ignorant of these matters - to whack or not to whack - but I do know this; I was completely abstinate for ten days preceding my first Micorcosmic orbit, and I cannot help but draw a causal connection.

 

And, for what it's worth, it gets easier to go without as you get older, but I would not want to have to endure my twenties again

[宁]

Here some thoughts:

Stop masturbating now.

 

Good advice.

 

For the rest, if Mantak wouldn't walk his talk, there is no way in the world he would be that strong at his age considering he's flying all round the world for at least 30 years, twice every year, teaching.

You should try that just once, for comparison.

[King Kabalabhati]

Good advice.

 

For the rest, if Mantak wouldn't walk his talk, there is no way in the world he would be that strong at his age considering he's flying all round the world for at least 30 years, twice every year, teaching.

You should try that just once, for comparison.

 

Living proof.. Travelling & teaching are not lightweight work. I get somehow depleted from even a short flight, and I'm still young. Who's for another Mantak debate?

 

Ayurveda doesn't consider massaging the penis the same as masturbation, as long as the intention is to strengthen the organ and not to discharge.

[Moon Knight]

First, thanks for everyones' thoughts so far.

 

I tend to agree that porn is a fairly unhealthy thing to indulge in. It can lead to an excessive attachment to the shape of others and the pleasure one may seek.

 

On the other hand I disagree that masturbation is necessarily a fault. If it is not done too frequently, and better yet if it can be done with no loss or at least minimal loss of jing, it can have health benefits for those not fortunate enough to have found a suitable significant other, as well as provide a means of training one's qi control for those same persons.

 

Whether I lost jing today, or how much, I feel like I have learned some new things about myself, and gained a greater feel for the flow of qi inside of me. Plus I think the experience helped me relax. Isn't Tao all about the middle path between two extremes? Following the natural course in each situation as the uncarved block? That is how I view the occasional, thoughtful enjoyment of one's own equipment.

 

Anyway, just now I meditated again, and circulated the orbit once more. After a fairly typical (for me) maneuver around the orbit I seemed to relax into posture and state of mind where I could circulate my qi in fairly rapid movements, while maintaining a consistent breathing pattern with my lower tan tian. The qi seemed to grow stronger with each pass.

 

I stopped circulating after developing an extremely hard erection from the circulation. That is something that has never happened to me before during circulation practice. My testicles were again cold, though my penis obviously was not. Between the events of the morning and this event they had gone back to a normal warm however.

[Blume]

No masturbation?

 

My penis is the only thing that gives me best relaxation.

[Trunk]

LkklW7VEBHA

[wudangspirit]

Diddo on the stop masturbating program. Can't say anything about Chia. Don't know him.

 

The methods of arousing yourself and then trying to stop it or gain some kind of spiritual link or energy effect are not safe.

 

Internal alchemy is about stilling your mind. What you're doing is rowing your boat on a dry creek bed with no chance of filling it up. Motion comes from stillness. How do you expect to gain energy when you've already lost it through feeling and attachment? This will confuse your spirit. The reversal of Kan and Li is about bringing your spirit and conscious mind into harmony so they can work together then that stillness and clarity will help you gain the energy you need and fill the creek bed. How can you expect to cultivate your spirit when your post heaven intelligence has taken full control?

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Tao Bless

 

Here some thoughts:

Stop masturbating now.

Masturbation has nothing to do with meditation or any chi work.

In fact the more you masturbate the more you distance yourself from a true spiritual path.

Mantak Chia is a total moron and all his sexual kung-fu is garbage. He teaches you smth that he never attained and he didn't attain simply because it's not real. But it sells because it's a convenient approach for weak people. Things don't work that way. The theory is wrong. Sorry.

 

Masturbation reflects the big mess that's in your head - so the most dangerous part is the actual mental masturbation that occurs constantly inside you.

 

Think about this and understand it - get rid of your sexual imagination and your life will be much better. Continue to play with your penis like a crazy monkey and you'll get nowhere at best.

 

Peace, I'm out