Dead Monk Who Never Rots

[r.w.smith]

The dead monk who doesnt rot. i Think its in hainan or something,

[Lucky7Strikes]

The dead monk who doesnt rot. i Think its in hainan or something,

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dashi-Dorzho_Itigelov

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d...v_preserved.jpg

[r.w.smith]

Man those tibetans sure are powerful Thanks very much for the correction my friend

 

Peace,

Edited October 14, 2009 by r.w.smith

[enouch]

Oh Tibet...... Man those tibetans sure are powerful Thanks very much for the correction my friend,

 

Peace,

 

 

One mo pai student said some of the tibetan masters are more powerful than John Chang and are not to be scoffed at!

 

Man those tibetans sure are powerful

 

Peace,

 

 

 

 

 

But what does it all mean? what are the implications? What does it say[i know nothing interprets itself] about modern western science? Are we just dealing with natural energies that talented humans have just learned to tap into? Is the human being really the universe becoming conscious of itself? In the magus of Java, the author affirms his belief that massive doses of yang chi enables Chang to bend natural laws.Swami Rama affirmed psychokineis is done through pinpointed concentration and visulization.He also used a vedic mantra.Both Jack Swartz and Rama could control the number[i think, been awhile] of white blood cells.

[Zhuo Ming-Dao]

If you get the opportunity, scholar Victor Meir (who also translated the Chuang Tzu), hosted a great Nova episode on PBS titled Mysterious Mummies of China. It explored this phenomena in Tibetan, Chinese, and Japanese ascetics. They found that the big thing that linked all of the mummies that they studied (and x-rayed) was that they were each undergoing some pretty harsh fasting at the time of death, possibly having died of self-induced starvation.

 

Meir theorized that at least one of them was attempting the rainbow body technique (the others were more difficult to be certain about).

Edited October 14, 2009 by Zhuo Ming-Dao

[r.w.smith]

The Supernatural world, whether it be, Sprits, Devils, Immortals,whatever, are all at the core & heart of the highest levels of inner power. Its rare to achieve a very high level gong without encountering at least one of the above mentioned at some stage. It goes hand in hand and cannot be seperated. If you ever manage to build enough energy you will surely encounter this

 

On the other hand,if you just want basic health or slight martial ability then by all means join your local qigong or taichi club. As its unlikely you will encounter such things.

 

Regards,

[DalTheJigsaw123]

Amazing! Great thread!

[enouch]

The Supernatural world, whether it be, Sprits, Devils, Immortals,whatever, are all at the core & heart of the highest levels of inner power. Its rare to achieve a very high level gong without encountering at least one of the above mentioned at some stage. It goes hand in hand and cannot be seperated. If you ever manage to build enough energy you will surely encounter this

 

On the other hand,if you just want basic health or slight martial ability then by all means join your local qigong or taichi club. As its unlikely you will encounter such things.

 

Regards,

 

 

 

 

 

I've already encountered the supernatural when I was a child-a television knob changing by itself witnessed by two people.Plus other phenomena, it's just western science is so strong! yet silent on these issues.What does it say about a body that won't degenerate? Why can't we discern and apply this knowledge to medicine? Prahlad Jani use to eat until he encountered a goddess that blessed him, now he doesn't eat or use the bathroom.Do spirits exsist? Or is this just human consciousness influencing matter? What about Ted Owens and his ability to influence weather?How deep does the rabbit hole go?

[DalTheJigsaw123]

I've already encountered the supernatural when I was a child-a television knob changing by itself witnessed by two people.Plus other phenomena, it's just western science is so strong! yet silent on these issues.What does it say about a body that won't degenerate? Why can't we discern and apply this knowledge to medicine? Prahlad Jani use to eat until he encountered a goddess that blessed him, now he doesn't eat or use the bathroom.Do spirits exsist? Or is this just human consciousness influencing matter? What about Ted Owens and his ability to influence weather?How deep does the rabbit hole go?

 

How real and true is that!

[voidisyinyang]

So far just found him stating that the mummies were emaciated....

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/2502chinamum.html

 

If you get the opportunity, scholar Victor Meir (who also translated the Chuang Tzu), hosted a great Nova episode on PBS titled Mysterious Mummies of China. It explored this phenomena in Tibetan, Chinese, and Japanese ascetics. They found that the big thing that linked all of the mummies that they studied (and x-rayed) was that they were each undergoing some pretty harsh fasting at the time of death, possibly having died of self-induced starvation.

 

Meir theorized that at least one of them was attempting the rainbow body technique (the others were more difficult to be certain about).

[goldisheavy]

I've already encountered the supernatural when I was a child-a television knob changing by itself witnessed by two people.Plus other phenomena, it's just western science is so strong!

 

It's not so much the scientific method as the mindset held tacitly by most scientists.

 

yet silent on these issues.What does it say about a body that won't degenerate?

 

Scientists say nothing. What can they say? When a scientist is confronted with blatant phenomena like that, they acknowledge it, then they say they don't know how it works, what it is, and ask for a sample to study it. Then they study it and say that "aha, there is an abnormal concentration of bromide in the body" or something like that. Then they go "mystery explained" and forget about the incident.

 

Why can't we discern and apply this knowledge to medicine? Prahlad Jani use to eat until he encountered a goddess that blessed him, now he doesn't eat or use the bathroom.Do spirits exsist? Or is this just human consciousness influencing matter? What about Ted Owens and his ability to influence weather?How deep does the rabbit hole go?

 

You can use all kinds of knowledge in any area of endeavor. However not all knowledge is 100% compatible. So scientists are not in a hurry to discover knowledge that would undermine their worldview. The same is true in reverse. Scientific worldview breaks certain spiritual worldviews and those who hold such worldviews would be afraid to study science. It works both ways. This happened during the Western "enlightenment" when scientists were contradicting religious dogma and got tortured and executed for doing so.

 

This happens both ways because it's human nature to want to protect one's worldview. Studying things that contradict your worldview is like dancing on the lip of insanity. Not everyone can tolerate or enjoy that.

Edited October 14, 2009 by goldisheavy

[Ken]

The first picture is that of Wu Yun Qing of Shannxi province, who was rumored to be 160+ years old when he died in 1998. Here is a picture of him when he was still alive.

 

 

Ａnyway this is nothing compared to the body of the sixth Chan patriarch Great Ancestor Hui Neng who passed away in 712 a.d. Below is a picture of his body now on display in a monastery.

 

Edited October 14, 2009 by Ken

[r.w.smith]

The first picture is that of Wu Yun Qing of Shannxi province, who was rumored to be 160+ years old when he died in 1998. Here is a picture of him when he was still alive.

 

 

Ａnyway this is nothing compared to the body of the sixth Chan patriarch Great Ancestor Hui Neng who passed away in 712 a.d. Below is a picture of his body now on display in a monastery.

 

 

 

Thanks very much for sharing those pictures Ken. In Thailand & Cambodia, they also have a few of these monks.

 

Does anybody want to discuss why they think the bodies wont decay, Is it a spiritual achievement ?

 

Regards,

[voidisyinyang]

See if you do healing of others then your male electromagnetic chi-shen energy is not stored in your body -- to achieve body immortality and longevity you have to instead focus your brain electromagnetic energy back into the lower half of your body, storing it there. As this progresses you need to cut down on food -- so the 250 year old Chinese master whose obituary was reprinted in the NY Times -- name anyone?

 

Anyway he lived in the mountains gathering herbs for his job -- and occasionally went down to sell herbs -- but he also had some 15 wives, thereby sucking in their female electrochemical jing energy. Apparently he was able to store that energy after transducing it into male electromagnetic chi

 

The book "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans by Charles Luk gives the details on how to do this.

 

But for not shooting his male electromagnetic energy back into the females and therefore for "burning" through 15 females -- required that the females were very submissive, didn't "hit" on the male -- didn't consciously try to suck off the male (as is the case in today's "liberated" female culture)....

 

So yeah there's no real free energy -- there has to be special circumstances.

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

One mo pai student said some of the tibetan masters are more powerful than John Chang and are not to be scoffed at!

But what does it all mean? what are the implications? What does it say[i know nothing interprets itself] about modern western science? Are we just dealing with natural energies that talented humans have just learned to tap into? Is the human being really the universe becoming conscious of itself? In the magus of Java, the author affirms his belief that massive doses of yang chi enables Chang to bend natural laws.Swami Rama affirmed psychokineis is done through pinpointed concentration and visulization.He also used a vedic mantra.Both Jack Swartz and Rama could control the number[i think, been awhile] of white blood cells.

 

 

Jack Schwartz had amazing abilities to access and control bodily processes, yet sadly, he died of cancer at age 76. What does that mean?

[enouch]

Jack Schwartz had amazing abilities to access and control bodily processes, yet sadly, he died of cancer at age 76. What does that mean?

 

 

 

 

 

Imperfect creature in an imperfect world! To some 76 is old,also negatives don't necessarily nullify positives.It also means life is multifaceted.

[r.w.smith]

There are true accounts of young healthy monks suddenly dying in meditation for no reason whatsoever According to their own factions however, This signifies they have attained some great merit from buddha and have no purpose left here on earth.

 

I really dont have any opinion on this subject and just post for information purposes.

 

Regards,

Edited October 15, 2009 by r.w.smith

[Smile]

There are true accounts of young healthy monks suddenly dying in meditation for no reason whatsoever According to their own factions however, This signifies they have attained some great merit from buddha and have no purpose left here on earth.

Yes, i remember Nan Huai-Chin said something about monks that reach a very high level of samadhi but couldn't go further, so instead of loosing the attainment if they continue living they were advised to leave the body and reincarnate into a new one.

I hear there is an Arhat living in Russia at this time but no one know who he is.

[voidisyinyang]

Ramana Maharshi said the same thing -- that after achieiving Nirvikalpa Samadhi permanently -- after physically killing yourself and transcending death -- well no new karma accumulates so the results vary as per the previous karma of the person, now still being played out like a broken record. Maybe they have super healing skills for longevity or maybe they choose to kill themselves because there's nothing left for life in the body.... Or as Ramana Maharshi (like several zen/ch'an monks detailed in Master Nan, Huai-chin's books) describes his body is left to rot naturally, to get sick, to decay, to be attended to by his students, while his mind and breath empty out past physical life with each thought/breath. So the decay and illness still doesn't affect him and he just lets the karma play out.

 

These differences arise from deep paradoxes in philosophy with their cultural differences of gender dynamics, diet, climate, etc. So in Taoism the practice is based on body health -- so in Ch'an but not the same degree, even less so in Zen or Theravada or Brahmin meditation but more so again in Hatha-Kundalini. Tantra with the shit-eating, alcohol-garlic-sex practice seems to reverse and transcend both the body health and the mind health -- into the "crazy zen" state....

[Smile]

Yes, i remember Nan Huai-Chin said something about monks that reach a very high level of samadhi but couldn't go further, so instead of loosing the attainment if they continue living they were advised to leave the body and reincarnate into a new one.

Hmmm, actually I need to correct myself. They would finish their cultivation without the body after they leave the physical form.

[r.w.smith]

The orange robe monk is located at Wat Kiri Wongkaram Temple Thailand.

 

The one in the red/black is from there japan and are called Sokushinbutsu. Below is a rough outline of the method used by japanese monks to become mummified.

 

In an attempt to achieve Nirvana, these monks had to undergo a gruesome three-step process:

 

1) Eat a diet of nuts and seeds, exercising vigorously for 1,000 days to rid the body of fat.

 

2) Eat only bark and roots for the next 1,000 days while sipping on poisonous tea made from the sap of the urushi tree.

 

3) Finally retreat to an underground tomb and meditate until dead. Leave for 1,000 days and voila, if the corpse is still well preserved, then they are deemed to be a living mummy.

 

His only connection to the outside world was an air tube and a bell. Each day he rang a bell to let those outside know that he was still alive. When the bell stopped ringing, the tube was removed and the tomb sealed.

 

Not all monks who attempted self-mummification were successful. When the tombs were finally opened, some bodies were found to have rotted. These monks were resealed in their tombs. They were respected for their endurance, but they were not worshiped. Those monks who had succeeded in mummifying themselves were raised to the status of Buddha, put on display, and tended to by their followers.

 

Cheers,

Edited October 15, 2009 by r.w.smith

[findley]

Thank you for that last post.

[r.w.smith]

Sure no problem

[nac]

Bah! Owing to the climate, organic matter rarely rots in Tibet.

[r.w.smith]

Good point,but have you ever been to thailand ? Its blistering hot over there man, but they are all over the place

 

Regards,