Smile Posted October 30, 2009 http://www.houseofnumbers.com/ In House of Numbers, an AIDS film like no other, the HIV/AIDS story is being rewritten. This is the first film to present the uncensored POVs of virtually all the major players; in their own settings, in their own words. It rocks the foundation upon which all conventional wisdom regarding HIV/AIDS is based. House of Numbers could well be the opening volley in a battle to bring sanity and clarity to an epidemic gone awry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pietro Posted October 30, 2009 http://www.houseofnumbers.com/ In House of Numbers, an AIDS film like no other, the HIV/AIDS story is being rewritten. This is the first film to present the uncensored POVs of virtually all the major players; in their own settings, in their own words. It rocks the foundation upon which all conventional wisdom regarding HIV/AIDS is based. House of Numbers could well be the opening volley in a battle to bring sanity and clarity to an epidemic gone awry. Four things convinced me that AIDS was real: 1) a talk on TED that explained how the behaviour of people (if they use a condom or not) can be linked with the life expectancy. If you think you are going to die anyway, then why bother: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/emily_os..._in_africa.html 2) my father went to Botswana to work and he described a situation where people on weekends would go to funerals, being them so common. And here you have a talk again from ted that shows how Botswana had a really high infection: http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/hans_ros..._about_hiv.html 3) then reading the page of all the people who believed that AIDS was not lethal, did not cure it. http://www.aidstruth.org/denialism/dead_denialists 4) And then there is this other talk, again from Rosling, that shows population growth over time. And you can see how in Africa the population went down. If really HIV deaths were due to malnuritment (as some have suggested) you would NOT see this different behaviour in population growth all of a sudden. After all malnutrition was there from before, and povery has decreased in percentage in the last years. Here is a comment from an AIDS researcher on this movie. If you see the movie, please read also the comment to get a balanced perspective. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smile Posted October 30, 2009 I don't think I question the reality of AIDS and it's killing people. I question HIV is the cause. I haven't seen this movie yet so can't comment on it but I will read the link. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fiveelementtao Posted October 30, 2009 Four things convinced me that AIDS was real: The question is not whether AIDS is real. It absolutely is. AIDS stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome and simply means that a person's immune system has broken down and cannot defend them against diseases that a healthy individual can easily resist. The diseases responsible for killing people with aids is varied. People have been been dying of diseases caused by a lack of immune function forever... The questions being raised by the movie is whether or not HIV is a real virus and/or is it the cause of the immune system breaking down. Anyone in the US who has taken an AIDS test has to sign a waiver that says they understand that the HIV/AIDS connection is only a theory and that HIV has not been proven to be the cause for AIDS. At least I had to when I took my last "AIDS test" which was at least 10 years ago... I'm not saying one way or the other, just clarifying what the real argument is... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
everstrong Posted October 31, 2009 (edited) I'd like to see the people who claim this to put the money where their mouth is, by injecting themselves with live HIV virus or contaminated blood. If their claims were true, it would surely be a principled stand at no cost to them. Yet they do not do so. Why? Edited October 31, 2009 by everstrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamingawake Posted October 31, 2009 I'd like to see the people who claim this to put the money where their mouth is, by injecting themselves with live HIV virus or contaminated blood. If their claims were true, it would surely be a principled stand at no cost to them. Yet they do not do so. Why? That would certainly be interesting but even if they think AIDS is not real, their argument seems to be that it's a 'blanket diagnosis' for other real problems which get lumped together. That would mean injecting themselves with an unknown, probably dangerous infection just to prove it's a different infection than was claimed. Would you shoot yourself in the head with a 9mm just to prove it's not a .45? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VCraigP Posted October 31, 2009 Dig deeper. Read this; http://www.healtoronto.com/durban/ click on the "Full Text" to see the whole article. This article exposes a lot of the bad science associated with AIDS, especially with regards to Africa, diagnostic work and worldwide inconsistencies in the diagnosis of AIDS. I'm no expert but this really left me scratching my head. Also I have a great mistrust of Big Pharma. Leave it at that. Craig Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dreamingawake Posted October 31, 2009 Dig deeper. Read this; http://www.healtoronto.com/durban/ click on the "Full Text" to see the whole article. This article exposes a lot of the bad science associated with AIDS, especially with regards to Africa, diagnostic work and worldwide inconsistencies in the diagnosis of AIDS. I'm no expert but this really left me scratching my head. Also I have a great mistrust of Big Pharma. Leave it at that. Craig Wow I don't trust big pharma as far as I can throw them (collectively) which is to say, not far, but damn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
