In your Experience...

[John Zen]

In your experience, what are some of the benefits of "jing cultivation", or "semen retention"?

 

I understand that these are not the same thing, but that is aside from the point...

 

That is:

I am a beginner looking for encouragement.

I feel in my heart that this is the correct direction for me to take with my life, but I am not convinced of the authenticity of its benefits.

 

I have started the so-called "100-day" trial. It will be hard for me to resist temptation.

 

Why is it worth it?

 

Thanks & Praise,

John Zen

[hagar]

In your experience, what are some of the benefits of "jing cultivation", or "semen retention"?

 

I understand that these are not the same thing, but that is aside from the point...

 

That is:

I am a beginner looking for encouragement.

I feel in my heart that this is the correct direction for me to take with my life, but I am not convinced of the authenticity of its benefits.

 

I have started the so-called "100-day" trial. It will be hard for me to resist temptation.

 

Why is it worth it?

 

Thanks & Praise,

John Zen

 

I think this part of the BBC series "The Monastery" a monk gives the best explanation of "chastity". The entire series is a very enjoyable view indeed. Allthough not a Daoist approach, the core issue relation to desire is identical. His answer to "beat the Bishop" is priceless. See part 8 in particular.

http://www.worthabbey.net/bbc/links-youtube.htm

 

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Edited November 17, 2009 by hagar

[NeiChuan]

My answer is.. Meditation.. And hang out with friends.

 

Meditation calm/settle and change the energies.. To make up for being in the mood in the first place..

[John Zen]

My answer is.. Meditation.. And hang out with friends.

 

Meditation calm/settle and change the energies.. To make up for being in the mood in the first place..

 

But that doesn't answer my question.

 

Why is the semen retention worth it?

I'm losing faith! AKA... I'm geting antsy in my pantsy.... someone talk me out of it!

[Edward M]

Hager, you are a genius, thanks so much for posting that..i've been looking for it ever since it was on television here in the uk.. i missed the last episode which is supposed to be the best one! peace

 

I'll give you my 2cents,, it takes 40% of your body's energy to manufacture semen, think what you can achieve with that 40% free'd up!!??!!

 

peace brother, good luck!

 

Ed

[RyanO]

Good question. A lot of it depends on what you are trying to achieve, and if by semen retention you mean arousal or non-arousal. This makes a big difference.

 

Sounds like you are looking more for practical benefits than spiritual advancement.

 

One basic benefit of moderate semen retention is more energy and a feeling of vitality. Again, it's difficult to answer the question specifically because it all depends on your goals/level of advancement.

 

I am a relative beginner myself. But from my limited experience, there is a paradoxical feeling of fullness and satisfaction that comes from not "spilling the seed" too often. Too often in our society we are told to ejaculate freely, and I think this just instills deeper and deeper levels of dissatisfaction, which is again ironic.

 

So along with more energy there is more contentment. Meditation is huge, especially for its relaxation/stress reduction benefits. Then the energy can flow freely.

 

But again I am a beginner and don't have experience with long term retention. More experienced bums may have more advice here. Trunk's site has a lot of good info http://www.precisiondocs.com/~altaoism/. Look up Healing Love. Though he is very experienced and I think that info is relevant to more advanced practitioners.

 

I am interested in people's replies. I also wonder about long term retention and prostate health. There seems to be a lot of dissention in this area.

 

Peace

 

Ryan

Edited November 17, 2009 by RyanO

[John Zen]

 

Sounds like you are looking more for practical benefits than spiritual advancement.

 

 

I feel as if they are one in the same.

[Stigweard]

[fiveelementtao]

I'm geting antsy in my pantsy.... someone talk me out of it!

 

No problem.

Stop.

You're wasting your time. Don't even try without the guidance of a master. All that you are doing is building up semen in your testicles and heating up your body with lust.

You are better off learning an energy practice, preferable a physical one like an internal martial art and then seeking out a teacher to guide you in retention, if you still think you need it...

retention is over rated and is not necessary except at the highest levels of energy work.

[RyanO]

I feel as if they are one in the same.

 

Well they can be, again it depends on your situation. So if you were a celibate monk, for instance, you would have different goals than a lay person who desired a sexual relationship.

 

From my understanding a moderate approach to retention is beneficial and much easier than longer retention which requires more effort and practice to really transmute the jing. This is what I meant by 'spiritual advancement'.'

 

Another good site for relationships is: http://www.reuniting.info There is a lot of good information on this site about the chemical downside of too much ejaculation. It suggests Karezza as a different approach to lasting sexual relationships. Check it out.

Edited November 17, 2009 by RyanO

[RyanO]

No problem.

Stop.

You're wasting your time. Don't even try without the guidance of a master. All that you are doing is building up semen in your testicles and heating up your body with lust.

You are better off learning an energy practice, preferable a physical one like an internal martial art and then seeking out a teacher to guide you in retention, if you still think you need it...

retention is over rated and is not necessary except at the highest levels of energy work.

 

I disagree. This gets back to my distinction of moderate vs long retention. Most people here in America are told its healthy to ejaculate whenever they feel like it. There are benefits to moderate retention that are mostly unknown to our sex-crazed society.

 

This advice is useful for people who are guilt ridden or maybe for those on the longer retention path. But I'm just imagining some lurker coming on here looking for basic advice, seeing this post, and using it as an excuse to indulge in pornography and excessive masturbation.

 

This may be a problem of terminology, etc. I agree that long term retention is a tougher issue, but most people can benefit from a more moderate approach.

[fiveelementtao]

Retention is different from abstaining or moderation. Abstaining from release for a week or two is not retention. This is called moderation. true retention invlolves directing the sexual fluids up the spine. This is different from abstaining. If one can find a practice that naturally aids in converting jing to shen, then abstaining will be easy and true retention can occur. If one is walking around with blue balls full of cum and is crazy horny, they are harming themselves and when they do eventually "indulge" they will be more addicted than ever.... If this issue is about the psychological addiction to sex, that is a different matter and should be taken up with a psychological or medical professional. This problem will not be solved by simply abstaining from sexual release...

 

 

I disagree. This gets back to my distinction of moderate vs long retention. Most people here in America are told its healthy to ejaculate whenever they feel like it. There are benefits to moderate retention that are mostly unknown to our sex-crazed society.

 

This advice is useful for people who are guilt ridden or maybe for those on the longer retention path. But I'm just imagining some lurker coming on here looking for basic advice, seeing this post, and using it as an excuse to indulge in pornography and excessive masturbation.

 

This may be a problem of terminology, etc. I agree that long term retention is a tougher issue, but most people can benefit from a more moderate approach.

[John Zen]

Retention is different from abstaining or moderation. Abstaining from release for a week or two is not retention. This is called moderation. true retention invlolves directing the sexual fluids up the spine. This is different from abstaining. If one can find a practice that naturally aids in converting jing to shen, then abstaining will be easy and true retention can occur. If one is walking around with blue balls full of cum and is crazy horny, they are harming themselves and when they do eventually "indulge" they will be more addicted than ever.... If this issue is about the psychological addiction to sex, that is a different matter and should be taken up with a psychological or medical professional. This problem will not be solved by simply abstaining from sexual release...

 

That's the question -- that's my goal. How do I convert Jing to Shen?

 

I find that I can experience some pleasant sensations when I take breath into my LDT, then push my lower abdomen muscles in towards my spine in an almost pumping motion, repeatedly. I'll do this while meditating. Does this sound like a correct technique? Or is it more about finding what works for me...

 

I've heard that The Conversion can be compared to pumping water up a Hill:

You have a pond that has a drain at the bottom. When it rains, the pond fills up. You can then pump the water to the top of the hill (Converting Jing to Shen). Many people choose to empty the drain at the bottom, but then you have no water to pump to the top.

 

The question is how to pump?

[voidisyinyang]

Try the Level 1 sitting meditation c.d. for the small universe http://springforestqigong.com That's a very effective guide for the microcosmic orbit practice which sublimates and then purifies or "ionizes" as the energy goes down the front channel. With each turn then qi gets stronger and then after the electromagnetic fields as qi get strong enough the third eye opens up to create shen or spirit-light. The advanced book for this small universe practice is "Taoist Yoga: Alchemy and Immortality" trans by Charles Luk but the best introduction is Mantak Chia's first book "Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao"

 

That's the question -- that's my goal. How do I convert Jing to Shen?

 

I find that I can experience some pleasant sensations when I take breath into my LDT, then push my lower abdomen muscles in towards my spine in an almost pumping motion, repeatedly. I'll do this while meditating. Does this sound like a correct technique? Or is it more about finding what works for me...

 

I've heard that The Conversion can be compared to pumping water up a Hill:

You have a pond that has a drain at the bottom. When it rains, the pond fills up. You can then pump the water to the top of the hill (Converting Jing to Shen). Many people choose to empty the drain at the bottom, but then you have no water to pump to the top.

 

The question is how to pump?

[John Zen]

Is converting Jing to Shen/Chi much easier when the tank is full? That is, after 3 months or so of retention?

[voidisyinyang]

the power of chi and shen are directly based on converting sex energy so you either need a full tank or you need a great external supply: food, environment, other people.

 

As far as retention goes most males get afraid about blue balls but alchemy is based on ionization -- that's the heat created. My own model is that it's from ultrasound produced from "listening" -- resonating the source of your internal thoughts. The more standard model is that it's from "infrasound" -- slowing the brain waves down to theta level -- 7 to 8 cycles a second.

 

Anyway so retention or sublimation on its own is not enough -- you need to focus the mind because that's the source of the electromagnetic chi energy and also the shen light energy.

 

As your body increases the heat produced then the bliss also increases and you so learn it's better than normal sex. Then your endocrine glands heat up -- kidneys, thymus, and finally the pituitary and pineal glands.

 

It helps to get transmission of SHEN energy -- laser-love holographic energy -- from a qigong master. You can get shen transmissions from Chunyi Lin or Jim Nance at http://springforestqigong.com as phone healings.

 

When you get a shen transmission then you'll have ionized or purified the sex energy to create internal heat and also chi. Effie P. Chow does this as well -- so you can test it by holding your hands with palms facing each other -- and you should feel a pushing force of electromagnetic energy. When you ejaculate that force will go away and then you have to rebuild it.

 

If you rebuild up enough shen then the brain third eye is permanently opened up which means you can then create chi much faster -- again converting electrochemical energy made from food or from other people around you or from your own internal sex energy cycle.

 

I did the 100 day session and the energy was so strong that I went a week on just half glass of water -- needing less and less sleep -- and I healed my mom of a serious leg condition so she no longer needs surgical stockings and then I accidentally pulled this old lady's spirit out of her skull without touching her and I also saw dead spirits coming to get chi from Chunyi Lin at his Level 3 retreat.

 

Is converting Jing to Shen/Chi much easier when the tank is full? That is, after 3 months or so of retention?

Edited November 17, 2009 by drewhempel

[Ya Mu]

In your experience, what are some of the benefits of "jing cultivation", or "semen retention"?

 

I understand that these are not the same thing, but that is aside from the point...

 

That is:

I am a beginner looking for encouragement.

I feel in my heart that this is the correct direction for me to take with my life, but I am not convinced of the authenticity of its benefits.

 

I have started the so-called "100-day" trial. It will be hard for me to resist temptation.

 

Why is it worth it?

 

Thanks & Praise,

John Zen

 

 

John,

Find a qualified teacher of qigong/neigong. Practice the methods daily. Don't fall for all the bullshit posted on the internet. After you have actually raised your energy body vibration rate through the practice then it is quite easy to spot the bullshit and laugh to yourself. You are on a slippery slope trying to do this on your own. The semen retention techniques, properly taught (most is total and pure bullshit - for birth-control a condom works safer), can possible help a person, but I assure you they are totally unnecessary. Ask in your local Chinatown, go to the NQA.org site and search for teachers, ask here for recommendation of a teacher near you, and make your choice for a teacher from the true heart.

[John Zen]

 

As far as retention goes most males get afraid about blue balls but alchemy is based on ionization -- that's the heat created. My own model is that it's from ultrasound produced from "listening" -- resonating the source of your internal thoughts. The more standard model is that it's from "infrasound" -- slowing the brain waves down to theta level -- 7 to 8 cycles a second.

 

 

 

When I meditate, I can place my attention towards the back of my head where I hear a very high frequency pitch. Would focusing on this be what you're talking about? If so, can you describe your meditation process, its goals, and the results?

[voidisyinyang]

Exactly -- this has many names but one stands out: Omkara -- it's also called the "Oz Effect" or "Oz Factor" in alien abduction experiences which some think are a DMT-type altered state.

 

So what's interesting about ultrasound is that you can not hear it outside your head but you CAN hear ultrasound inside your head, as Droscher's book "Magic of the Senses" details. It's the highest pitch you can hear outside your head -- when you hear that high pitch inside your head then it also resonates up to ultrasound, creating

 

ionizing energy.

 

Low-frequency ultrasound has just been documented to not cause damage to tissues yet is also able to pinpoint locations deep in the brain for healing cancer, etc.

 

But Ya Mu is correct -- you can get the http://springforestqigong.com material for self-study -- Chunyi Lin is an amazing qigong master who did the 49 day fasting sitting in full-lotus yoga, taking no water, no food and no sleep the whole time. Now Chunyi Lin works with the Mayo Clinic here in Minnesota.

 

 

 

When I meditate, I can place my attention towards the back of my head where I hear a very high frequency pitch. Would focusing on this be what you're talking about? If so, can you describe your meditation process, its goals, and the results?

[Aetherous]

Why is it worth it?

 

Mainly just because you'll stop worrying about it. Other benefits are negligible.

 

So finish what you've started, man. 100 days of retention isn't going to kill you. Just keep busy so that you don't start thinking about sex at all.

 

Edit: I'm not saying people should do this...I don't think it's necessary. But it's good if you're going to obsess about it, to just get it over with.

Edited November 17, 2009 by Scotty

[fiveelementtao]

John,

Find a qualified teacher of qigong/neigong.

 

I wholeheartedly agree. If you are truly interested in learning, find someone to teach you. If you don't know anyone in your area, then be willing to travel.

I agree, most of the stuff on the internet and in books is garbage or is very difficult to learn by yourself.

If you are interested in energy cultivation, I strongly suggest a physical art, such as Tai Chi, Ba Gua, Xing Yi, Tao Gar etc... these are designed to help the cultivation.

 

Semen retention is usually practiced in combination with physical arts designed to faciliate the energy conversion through meditation.

You are really are possible harming yourself or wasting your time that can be better utilized with a teacher's help.

[voidisyinyang]

Also when people ask Chunyi Lin about ear ringing -- he says that's the kidney energy channel opening up. So again that's when you are converting the sex fluid into jing or generative force through the "internal reproductive organs" or the kidneys.

[John Zen]

Also when people ask Chunyi Lin about ear ringing -- he says that's the kidney energy channel opening up. So again that's when you are converting the sex fluid into jing or generative force through the "internal reproductive organs" or the kidneys.

 

Does focusing on the ringing while meditating amplify the affects, then, of the kidney channel opening?

[voidisyinyang]

The sound, when focused on, should become more electromagnetic and then also create heat. The focus is to be on the lower tan tien because the electromagnetic energy is then amplified from the lower body sex energy or electrochemical energy. The process of LISTENING entails the experience of inferring "who" is listening. If you really focus on the SOURCE of the sound then you realize that no one is listening -- that the sound comes from the source of light energy as pure consciousness beyond time.

 

The microcosmic orbit practice is efficient because it's like spinning the outside of the wheel. If you try to just spin your mind or "focus" your thoughts then it's like trying to spin the wheel while only holding onto the hub -- it takes much greater concentration. So at first you practice the small universe or microcosmic orbit -- again there's a small universe c.d. from http://springforestqigong.com that is really excellent, leading you along the energy points.

 

As far as retention goes though in my experience only full-lotus is really effective so you can try half-lotus at first if you can't get into full-lotus yet.

 

Does focusing on the ringing while meditating amplify the affects, then, of the kidney channel opening?

[gendao]

Also when people ask Chunyi Lin about ear ringing -- he says that's the kidney energy channel opening up. So again that's when you are converting the sex fluid into jing or generative force through the "internal reproductive organs" or the kidneys.

Interesting, I've noticed this "problem" lately...but hadn't heard this explanation given before. I hope it's this and not a real problem.

 

Are there any other sources that also say this?