Retention and Neediness

[IchBinEin]

Hi all,

 

I posted earlier in the lobby about beginning a retention practice that was in my view very tame. I do not use any manual locking methods. I just go up to the edge of the point of no return and then clench my pc muscles. there is no ejaculation or injeculation, just a lessening of the intensity of the erection, and a little more time to have sex.

 

I have not encountered any problems so far after a little over two weeks, aside from a bit of extra tension, which can be resolved through a good jog, and the problem I'm posting about right now. I want to be around my girlfriend all the time, compliment her, cherish her. While she enjoys the extra compliment now and then, she's expressing an uneasiness about it and senses it getting excessive. She also questions the authenticity of the compliments as they can be viewed as arising solely out of my desire to have sex with her.

 

What can I do about this?

 

Also

 

Does my retention practice seem safe, from the information I've given you about it?

[fiveelementtao]

I practiced these Chia techniques for six years, so I am speaking from experience. They do not help. they are harmful.

I ended up badly overheating myself and needed some serious energy healing. I was horny all the time and frustrated. The "extra energy" I was feeling was simply overheated Yang in my system that was literally cooking my organs and tissues. The "feeling" of extra energy can simply mean you are cooking yourself. Do not try learning sexual kung fu from a book.

True conversion of Jing to shen must be done before the sperm has been activated and heated up.

 

what you are practicing is not retention, and can be extremely harmful. During sex, you are activating the sperm which becomes agitated and wants to be ejaculated. Once you get up to "the edge of the point of no return" It is already too late. That sperm is activated and needs to be released or it will simply sit on your body and cook you and then rot. What you are doing is heating up your body with lust and not satisfying it. The heated up Chi will actually speed up the decaying process of the organs and tissues. That is why you want to be around your girlfriend all the time. You are overheated with Yang and your body seeks to be balanced out with her yin. She is annoyed because on some level she knows that you are simply horny. Seriously, you are better off just ejaculating and releasing the tension.

The problem with sexual kung fu techniques practiced out of context to the original teachings is that they heat up the Chi and once you activate the semen, it stays in your body, heats up your system and mind and then rots inside of you.

True retention involves long periods of celibacy in an environment that does not stimulate the sex drive. It is also accompanied with meditations, herbs, qigong and other exercises that make celibacy easier and actually help the "Un activated" semen move up the spine. The sexual kung fu techniques that are circulating in popular "Taoist" books are either made up or taken out their original contexts.

If you are not accompanying your celibacy efforts with the prescribed exercises, you are simply frustrating yourself and heating yourself up. If your goal is to lengthen life, then practice moderation and have a healthy sex life. If you want to practice true "retention", find a teacher and learn the proper methods....

 

I know that this may anger some of you who practice this from books, but talk to me in 10 years. Many of you will have a different story.

 

Hi all,

 

I posted earlier in the lobby about beginning a retention practice that was in my view very tame. I do not use any manual locking methods. I just go up to the edge of the point of no return and then clench my pc muscles. there is no ejaculation or injeculation, just a lessening of the intensity of the erection, and a little more time to have sex.

 

I have not encountered any problems so far after a little over two weeks, aside from a bit of extra tension, which can be resolved through a good jog, and the problem I'm posting about right now. I want to be around my girlfriend all the time, compliment her, cherish her. While she enjoys the extra compliment now and then, she's expressing an uneasiness about it and senses it getting excessive. She also questions the authenticity of the compliments as they can be viewed as arising solely out of my desire to have sex with her.

 

What can I do about this?

 

Also

 

Does my retention practice seem safe, from the information I've given you about it?

[Ya Mu]

Do not try learning sexual kung fu from a book.

 

Some of the best advice you will ever read on a forum in your lifetime.

 

I have seen in clinic a large number of men who have tried these bullshit birth control methods that do not have anything to do with real cultivation. These techniques screwed them up pretty bad. IN fact, someone who had messed themselves up called me just yesterday about this.

 

Find a real qigong teacher that others have gotten results with and quit playing around if you value your health, energy, and sanity.

[Fire Dragon]

Hi all,

 

I posted earlier in the lobby about beginning a retention practice that was in my view very tame. I do not use any manual locking methods. I just go up to the edge of the point of no return and then clench my pc muscles. there is no ejaculation or injeculation, just a lessening of the intensity of the erection, and a little more time to have sex.

 

I have not encountered any problems so far after a little over two weeks, aside from a bit of extra tension, which can be resolved through a good jog, and the problem I'm posting about right now. I want to be around my girlfriend all the time, compliment her, cherish her. While she enjoys the extra compliment now and then, she's expressing an uneasiness about it and senses it getting excessive. She also questions the authenticity of the compliments as they can be viewed as arising solely out of my desire to have sex with her.

 

What can I do about this?

 

Also

 

Does my retention practice seem safe, from the information I've given you about it?

 

 

 

Hello

 

I have been doing retention as a celibate for about 9 years, without any serious problems. I was today reading the article by Litle 1 about the Mantak Chia system, on this site. In it he describes why some people might get problem with the method of retention. I suggest that you read that thread. It is written by someone that is possitive about retention and the Mantak Chia system.

 

I will also give you my opinion on your practise for the moment. For me it seems much likely that you will get serious problems from the way you practice retention. If you have learned the method from the book multi orgasmic man, I also want to warn you against that book. It is not a sufiecient guide to start such dificult and demanding practises as seminal retention. It is a popularised book. You need to know that retention is a advanced level of practises that should only be done by people that are seriously commited to learn the whole system, I'm now talking about the universal tao sytem by Mantak Chia, as described so well by little 1 in the article I mentioned.

 

In the way you practise it I see some problems. After you have clenched your pc muscle where do you suspect the sexual energy to go? You can't just leave so strong energy close to your sexual organs without seriously damaging yourself.

 

How do you hinder it to get stangnant?

 

How much rooting do you practise? To maintine your inner stability when dealing with such strong forces in your body as the sexual energy.

 

How do you deal with emotional problems that are likely to increase if you not take care of them when doing your sexual practises?

 

Do you have a teacher to ask questions and which are there to guide you.

 

Are you working with unaroused sexual energy like doing the testicle breathing in a correct way to learn how to not get owerheated and totally out of ballance?

 

Are you massaging the testicles in the right way to help the energy not getting stagnant.

 

How do you save your extra aroused sexual energy in the right way? Do you convert it to chi after that you have softened it up and do you store it in your stable tan-tien?

 

If you feel like you realy know what I am talking about in all the points above and have good answer to them and not feel any uncertanity in that you do all this things correct, then you migth have some benefits from your retention practise. Ohterwise you are more likely to seriously harm your health and your sexuality. Seriously harm your pshychological health. Making your relationship a mess of unresolved feelings.

 

If you want to learn retention do it wery seriously and keep on learning all the necessarily steps in the right way. Do also all necessary complementary practises regularly. Start then slowly with your retention and be not owerly obsessed by it. Perhaps just a normal healhy relationship with your women is much more woth to strive for than to do advaned sexual practises for you. But if you want to learn retention do it properly and learn it in the right way and involve your partner in the learning process. One good thing to learn first is to learn how to practise qigong and meditation for about one hour every day before you start learning retention. If you manage that then retention takes some time and effort to learn. The ideal is to learn it in celibacy for about one year and after that in a stable relationship with a praticipant women for about four years, together with all other necessarily practises.

 

 

I realy want to warn you not taking this seriously. But if you want to learn it it could realy change your life and your sexlife in a tremendous way.

 

 

This is my opinion about it. I can't say that I myself have done all that I have written above. But I am practisisng different methods in the universal tao system every day. And I do retention in celibacy. I usually try to not ejaculate for 100 days every winter, but ejaculate somethimes once a week in the summer.

 

 

Hope it helps you. I want to say also that I am wery found of the sexual practises, they are extremely powerful and fun to do. But I do not think you should do them without a real comitment. Many people will also say that you nearly ever should do so dangerous practises as seminal retention.

 

 

 

Fire Dragon

[IchBinEin]

Thank you guys for all of this great information,

 

The thing is. I have a girlfriend. She likes to have sex.

 

When I ejaculate, I have a loooong recovery time during which i feel depressed, low-self esteem, anxious, not confident etc.

 

I want to have sex with my girlfriend as much as she wants, but do not want to feel like shit afterwards.

This is why I have taken up retention.

 

She wants to have sex every day.

 

Can I just come sometimes and not others? Is this safe? Releasing maybe once every two weeks to a month?

 

I really do not want to hurt myself. But after ejaculation I just feel SO Drainnnnned!

[voidisyinyang]

Just do what every red-blooded American does -- eat a couple double McCheeseburgers to recharge -- only add lots of garlic. haha.

[Enishi]

Personally speaking, I've experienced a far greater energy drain when wanking to porn (especially if its around noon or the early afternoon) as opposed to releasing when I'm with someone I like.

[fiveelementtao]

Thank you guys for all of this great information,

 

The thing is. I have a girlfriend. She likes to have sex.

 

When I ejaculate, I have a loooong recovery time during which i feel depressed, low-self esteem, anxious, not confident etc.

 

I want to have sex with my girlfriend as much as she wants, but do not want to feel like shit afterwards.

This is why I have taken up retention.

 

She wants to have sex every day.

 

Can I just come sometimes and not others? Is this safe? Releasing maybe once every two weeks to a month?

 

I really do not want to hurt myself. But after ejaculation I just feel SO Drainnnnned!

 

 

every day sex is alot... try just giving her oral sex on the days you don't want to come. If it is that she justs wants an orgasm, she shouldn't mind. If she needs coitus every day, she may be addicted to your energy...unfortunately when you have sex, you run the risk of having your partner drain you of your energy. It is helpful to find a partner whom you really know and who wants to share a spiritual practice with you. This is one reason for marriage. People have sex with just about anyone when they are single. But, few people marry someone until they have reeeeally gotten to know that person. Having sex is fun, no one likes it more than me. But I can tell you there is HUUUGE difference when you make love to your committed life partner who is emotionally and spiritually committed to your well being.

Sometimes, we just need to stay single for awhile to consolidate our energy. But sometimes, our partners can be willingly or unknowingly draining our energy....

Edited November 21, 2009 by fiveelementtao

[Aetherous]

IchBinEin,

 

What practices do you do?

 

That's more important than any of this. Because some practices are for spiritual awakening, some are for emotional balancing, some are for health, etc. Depending on what your goals are, you should take up those corresponding practices.

 

If your goal is to feel normal and not drained from sex, then you should look at calming and healthy practices.

 

A simple thing that very few people do is a daily belly breathing practice. Yet it can take care of so much, and is probably the one thing that most people here are looking for, in terms of results.

 

If you do it sometime after sex, you will refine and transmute the energies that have been shared. If you do it at another time of day, it will prevent the drained and depressed feelings that every day sex brings. And when you feel drained and depressed, it will take those emotions and feelings and change them into neutral.

 

...Also, I think jogging is really good for if you're doing energy work or cultivation practices, so keep it up!

[Biff]

I can still do great even with every day pounding. But then I spend minimum 3 hours practice daily. If you know how to breath you can practice 24/7. We don't do it every day though I guess. Sometimes I just please her and practice some self control cuz I like it. She loves some good oral and when I'm massaging her clit and painting her ass crack with my tongue she wakes up the neighbours. Even though she loves that she tells me nothing beats penetration. I'm ok with that and I won't deny her of a good pummeling if she needs it. I never bother wanking to porn Jesus what a waste of time when I can just stick it in a fleshburger.

 

As vulgar as I might sound, it's the intention I think that makes a difference as well as 'connection' basically already explained by FET. When I'm pumping like a jackhammer I'm not just thinking about putting cream on the the pie. I'm fully focused on GIVING and sharing. I want to share my energy and she wants to share hers. Not just the friction and fluids either but her friends too (just kidding).

 

Orgasms are not just in my soldier any more though it's a whole body wild ride one after the other sometimes. After a session I feel like superman and my wood is like a freaking iron bar. I could break a stack of bricks with that shit. I will say that I do feel a loss of energy when she sucks the pole if she goes till I pop. Especially if she sticks her pinky up my ass. I think that may be because I'm not focusing on sharing and pleasuring back. Who knows... I don't horde but I don't regularly allow millions of potential babies to get burned up in her stomach acid to often though.

 

One thing of note... most people who are retention crazy have nothing but problems and develop nothing but an attitude of hording. There is more then enough energy everywhere! focus on the basics first. Unless you know how to transmute or are in dedicated daily practice then forget it. The only type of loss I would say needs to be stopped is just aimlessly wanking into the sink or making all your socks and t shirts crusty.

The best advice here can be summed up..

 

1) Get a teacher

2) Don't do this shit from a book

3) Chia is a wank stain and lots of people have been fucked up by his shit.

 

I got to go.

[lino]

I can still do great even with every day pounding. But then I spend minimum 3 hours practice daily. If you know how to breath you can practice 24/7. We don't do it every day though I guess. Sometimes I just please her and practice some self control cuz I like it. She loves some good oral and when I'm massaging her clit and painting her ass crack with my tongue she wakes up the neighbours. Even though she loves that she tells me nothing beats penetration. I'm ok with that and I won't deny her of a good pummeling if she needs it. I never bother wanking to porn Jesus what a waste of time when I can just stick it in a fleshburger.

 

As vulgar as I might sound, it's the intention I think that makes a difference as well as 'connection' basically already explained by FET. When I'm pumping like a jackhammer I'm not just thinking about putting cream on the the pie. I'm fully focused on GIVING and sharing. I want to share my energy and she wants to share hers. Not just the friction and fluids either but her friends too (just kidding).

 

Orgasms are not just in my soldier any more though it's a whole body wild ride one after the other sometimes. After a session I feel like superman and my wood is like a freaking iron bar. I could break a stack of bricks with that shit. I will say that I do feel a loss of energy when she sucks the pole if she goes till I pop. Especially if she sticks her pinky up my ass. I think that may be because I'm not focusing on sharing and pleasuring back. Who knows... I don't horde but I don't regularly allow millions of potential babies to get burned up in her stomach acid to often though.

 

One thing of note... most people who are retention crazy have nothing but problems and develop nothing but an attitude of hording. There is more then enough energy everywhere! focus on the basics first. Unless you know how to transmute or are in dedicated daily practice then forget it. The only type of loss I would say needs to be stopped is just aimlessly wanking into the sink or making all your socks and t shirts crusty.

The best advice here can be summed up..

 

1) Get a teacher

2) Don't do this shit from a book

3) Chia is a wank stain and lots of people have been fucked up by his shit.

 

I got to go.

 

 

Hands down, that's the best post I ever read here.

[alexandrov]

I practiced these Chia techniques for six years, so I am speaking from experience. They do not help. they are harmful.

I ended up badly overheating myself and needed some serious energy healing. I was horny all the time and frustrated. The "extra energy" I was feeling was simply overheated Yang in my system that was literally cooking my organs and tissues. The "feeling" of extra energy can simply mean you are cooking yourself. Do not try learning sexual kung fu from a book.

 

well said......

[alexandrov]

this is a great thread, having screwed myself up with the ye old chia brute force pc squeeze technique I can say this........after almost four years I STILL HAVE NO SEX LIFE AND CANT EVEN HOLD A FEMALES HAND WITHOUT CAUSING MYSELF HARM. I had a gf in the summer and the only thing we did was hold hands. I was with her for like a month or 2 and only saw her like once a week. that ended around july........well wouldent you know im STILL RECOVERING FROM THAT EXPERIENCE NOW IN LATE NOVEMBER, and its not a real recovery its just going back to my baseline level, which does not include too much pain but a whole host of urinary and sexual dysfunctions

 

 

however.....however.....one thing i did get from his technique is that I must avoid every female encounter because my sex system is really that screwed up. So in a way it made me a celibate and I am forced to stay away from women

 

my point is this stay away from doing EXTREMELY HARD PC muscle excercises, playing around with your sexual system is serious business

 

im not saying there arent any techniques that work out there, but im not a fan of using one muscle to stop the most powerful force in nature from escaping especially when one feels a need to release

 

and thanks for the advice ya mu

[Trunk]

Many good responses already...

 

I find that it's helpful if I think of "jing gong" in three categories:

1) Healing jing gong: this is a situation where there is real disharmony present, needs healing.

2) Healthy jing gong: this is basic normal healthy relating.

3) Advanced jing gong: parts of this get presented in the esoteric sex books, if you're lucky.

 

Just three kinds of respect, that often overlap and are sometimes at odds with each other. Am I creating a disharmony? Am I respecting my natural normal healthy sex life? Am I relaxing into the more profound resolutions?

 

Just hearing the one thing: "retain semen", is too narrow a framework for looking at this subject.

 

Trunk

[lino]

Hi all,

 

I posted earlier in the lobby about beginning a retention practice that was in my view very tame. I do not use any manual locking methods. I just go up to the edge of the point of no return and then clench my pc muscles. there is no ejaculation or injeculation, just a lessening of the intensity of the erection, and a little more time to have sex.

 

I have not encountered any problems so far after a little over two weeks, aside from a bit of extra tension, which can be resolved through a good jog, and the problem I'm posting about right now. I want to be around my girlfriend all the time, compliment her, cherish her. While she enjoys the extra compliment now and then, she's expressing an uneasiness about it and senses it getting excessive. She also questions the authenticity of the compliments as they can be viewed as arising solely out of my desire to have sex with her.

 

What can I do about this?

 

Also

 

Does my retention practice seem safe, from the information I've given you about it?

 

What exactly are you complimenting her for?

 

Maybe remind her that you wouldn't have a desire to have sex with her if you didn't find her attractive.

 

Also, I don't think that the retention works unless you understand the concept of "no leakage". If you don't work on mindfulness first in order to reduce or depower negative emotions then retention won't work.

[bindo]

I can still do great even with every day pounding. But then I spend minimum 3 hours practice daily. If you know how to breath you can practice 24/7. We don't do it every day though I guess. Sometimes I just please her and practice some self control cuz I like it. She loves some good oral and when I'm massaging her clit and painting her ass crack with my tongue she wakes up the neighbours. Even though she loves that she tells me nothing beats penetration. I'm ok with that and I won't deny her of a good pummeling if she needs it. I never bother wanking to porn Jesus what a waste of time when I can just stick it in a fleshburger.

 

As vulgar as I might sound, it's the intention I think that makes a difference as well as 'connection' basically already explained by FET. When I'm pumping like a jackhammer I'm not just thinking about putting cream on the the pie. I'm fully focused on GIVING and sharing. I want to share my energy and she wants to share hers. Not just the friction and fluids either but her friends too (just kidding).

 

Orgasms are not just in my soldier any more though it's a whole body wild ride one after the other sometimes. After a session I feel like superman and my wood is like a freaking iron bar. I could break a stack of bricks with that shit. I will say that I do feel a loss of energy when she sucks the pole if she goes till I pop. Especially if she sticks her pinky up my ass. I think that may be because I'm not focusing on sharing and pleasuring back. Who knows... I don't horde but I don't regularly allow millions of potential babies to get burned up in her stomach acid to often though.

 

One thing of note... most people who are retention crazy have nothing but problems and develop nothing but an attitude of hording. There is more then enough energy everywhere! focus on the basics first. Unless you know how to transmute or are in dedicated daily practice then forget it. The only type of loss I would say needs to be stopped is just aimlessly wanking into the sink or making all your socks and t shirts crusty.

The best advice here can be summed up..

 

1) Get a teacher

2) Don't do this shit from a book

3) Chia is a wank stain and lots of people have been fucked up by his shit.

 

I got to go.

I"m thinking about printing this out and framing it.

[Fire Dragon]

Thank you guys for all of this great information,

 

The thing is. I have a girlfriend. She likes to have sex.

 

When I ejaculate, I have a loooong recovery time during which i feel depressed, low-self esteem, anxious, not confident etc.

 

I want to have sex with my girlfriend as much as she wants, but do not want to feel like shit afterwards.

This is why I have taken up retention.

 

She wants to have sex every day.

 

Can I just come sometimes and not others? Is this safe? Releasing maybe once every two weeks to a month?

 

I really do not want to hurt myself. But after ejaculation I just feel SO Drainnnnned!

 

 

Hello. It is important for you to find your rythm. How often to ejaculate. It is often a matter of age the younger the more ejaculation you might be able to do. Your health and your sexual health.

 

1 Stop porn if you use it. Give the energy to your woman instead. And not drain you further

 

2 Find out how often is best for you to ejaculate. If you have intercourse and not want to ejaculate stop before the point of no return. You learn how long time you need, so that you not feel any problem stopping. If you are young to ejaculate twice a week should be quite normal.

 

3 Learn a technique that make you last longer and let it be nicer for your lady. That is using a combination of shallow and deep thrusts. Like 3 shallow and one deep. Or first 9 shallow one deep, 8 shallow 2 deep, 7 shallow 3 deep up to 10 deep and then going back to 9 shallow 1 deep again undtill 10 shallow. Sounds a bit technical maybe but it will make the lady crazy I promiss. Stop earlier if you have to ejaculate and you can lern to stay at the shallow pose for awhile or if you not know retention enough good stimulate here for a while with tounghe or fingers and so that you not ejaculte. Give yourself time to cool down those times you not ejaculate. But ejaculate also regularly at the interval that seems to suit you. You learn what is best for you.

 

4 Find a accupunturist or other chinese medicin doctor to check your sexual or other eventual health problem. there are herbs that might streangthening your sexual energy.

 

5 Or learn retention in the right way

 

6. In the book the sexual teaching of the jade dragon there are some advanced and easy way to streanghening the male sexual energy.

 

 

Good luck

 

 

Fire Dragon

[Nilo]

Use your intuition. This retention of semen method is total bullshit, it is a marketing ploy and nothing more. the body seek to release these fluids. Why not retain your boogers, I heard they will give you psychic powers and tons of energy.

[Apech]

To the OP,

 

If your girlfriend is uncomfortable then you can be more or less certain that there is something unbalanced about what you are doing. Women are very tuned into this stuff. So I would listen to her and following feeling not thinking. Retention on its own is no sort of path - what you really need to do is to tune in more to your own energy and cultivate the whole of your being, mentally, emotionally and not just physically.

 

A.

[longrhythm]

I'll say two things-

 

One- in my experience retention is about more than semen. It should flower out to your general way of being. This means controlling other urges, like the urge to compliment profusely, or the urge to always be around someone. If you have enough self control to tame the greatest natural urge in your body then these little emotional urges should be a piece of cake.

 

Two- I don't remember anymore but it might be in one. Really in my case I just take comfort in knowing I'm giving it to her good, and let that do the talking for me. Backing off a little can only bring her running. Retain your compliments dude- it's an expression of the energy your building but find a more productive place to channel it.

 

Brian

Edited November 21, 2009 by longrhythm

[Eternal_Student]

I am in my 11th year of seminal retention practices.

They are not all Chia based, some are from another, older system.

 

Cycling the heat around your body helps to lessen the burden of ejaculation.

The lock is NOT only in your PC muscle area. There are about 6 different locations for locking the "signal" to ejaculate. Only locking down low increases qi stagnation on the prostate and vas deferens. Too much buildup and you will get UTI's from the practice. But the goal is to never HAVE to lock in the first place. Be able to dump the yang into your partner or cycle it back into your system...

 

Trying to sublimate sperm during the sex practice is like trying to reload a gun while someone is shooting at you.

 

The "cold" practices are where the actual sublimation happens. And it CAN fill up your dantien and slowly change your energy into a more dense and actual palpatory feel for skeptics. The goal being to make the subtle energy, not so subtle anymore. Keeping it in is just the beginning. But for damn sure, let it out sometimes!

[IchBinEin]

Wow Guys,

 

A ton of Awesome responses.

 

There is still something I need clarified.

 

Is the practice I'm talking about tame enough to avoid any serious risks?

 

Can I have sex sometimes without coming. Then just come around every two weeks to a month, never retaining for longer than that?

 

I ask this because I do experience some benefits from retention that I'd be sorry to see go.

 

1. It's helping me a great degree with ejaculatory control. I'm learning how to experience pleasure for a longer time, while holding back from ej. This is a big deal for me, and if I could get the hang of it, that would be great for my sexual confidence/ self-esteem.

 

2. The feeling of pent up energy is enjoyable to me. I love going outside and feeling like i could run forever. and getting down and doing push-ups with a different kind of force than when i have come recently.

 

3. The way I interact socially with others is different. When I haven't come for a while I feel more confident, less vulnerable, and therefore generally have interactions with others that feel pretty good.

 

This is what I'm asking and what I would like clarified:

 

Is having sex about once a day,

holding back AND NOT ORGASMING

by every so often withdrawing and holding my pc muscles to lower my arousal, until we're both satisfied with the interacton,

then coming every 2 weeks to a month,

 

Is this a gentle enough practice to not cause harm?

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

 

Is having sex about once a day,

holding back AND NOT ORGASMING

There is no need to avoid the orgasm.. the energies released during orgasm are part of the training, redirecting the energies as well as the Jing.. the 'internal orgasm' feels the same as an external orgasm, a beneficial practice is to direct those energies into the meridians and vessels for circulation and nourishment of the entire body.. later, you can cultivate the focused intention to direct the energies for whatever experience is unfolding or whatever a situation demands..

 

Perhaps i phrased the description of 'locking the pc muscles' to infer 'blocking', that is not the case.. the pc muscles 'deflect' until such time that you can manage 'energetic' control rather than physical control.. Awareness of the energetic processes involved during love-making will naturally reduce the loss of jing..

 

Be well..

[宁]

We live in a crazy world, and it gets crazier by the day...

I think sanity and common sense value more than thousands of techniques...

IMHO, this is the best foundation training...

Without them, no matter what you do or seek, it's a waste of time...

 

To the guy that initiated the thread: you're obviously in a big hurry... It's not the appropriate time for you to learn anything... Go ahead and live it thru, when you cool down, search for a teacher. It's pretty silly to think you'll figure it all out talking to the guys on the www... These discussions are only good at one thing, and one thing only: to fill your mind with doubts and worries... sad and true.

 

PS: You may want to check on the links in my signature, for pitty's sake, don't ask any technical questions....

 

@ Eternal Student: you may have noticed that I often write nice things about Chia's system. I do it because of the gratitude I have for what it did to my life and to my family's life. No one pays me, and I don't get any benefit, au contraire. It's interesting that you said about what you practice 'they are not all Chia based'. That means that some of them are... I wonder if you talk about those... And about the other, older system. Mmm?

[Trunk]

Little1,

 

I guess my main problem with you is that you haven't embraced discernment. Simply being complimentary to one person/school %100 of the time and reflexively impugning the character of anyone you perceive to be contrary to that ... it's just boring. It doesn't seem discerning, clarifying nor conversational to me. And all too common in political and religious circles.

 

Clearly you've benefited from Chia-based practices w/ the aid of a teacher, and I think most of us would applaud benefit and progress - where ever it comes from.

 

Trunk

 

To the guy that initiated the thread: you're obviously in a big hurry... It's not the appropriate time for you to learn anything... Go ahead and live it thru, when you cool down, search for a teacher. It's pretty silly to think you'll figure it all out talking to the guys on the www... These discussions are only good at one thing, and one thing only: to fill your mind with doubts and worries... sad and true.

 

PS: You may want to check on the links in my signature, ...

 

@ Eternal Student: you may have noticed that I often write nice things about Chia's system. I do it because of the gratitude I have for what it did to my life and to my family's life. ...