Semen Retention & Modern Day Society

[John Zen]

durkhrod chogori says, in the thread Not to be the 100th guy...

 

"Semen retention if you live in society is wrong. Ejaculate as often as your body tells you as long as you cultivate properly, but I will have advice you to have sex (if you possibly are able to) rather than non-partnered sex since you gain nothing out of it. Sex with the opposite sex will give you plenty of Yin energy."

 

How can one hope to cultivate Qi while not practicing retention?

 

Please discuss on what you think the relationship between Modern Day Society and True Semen Retention should be. Please indicate your level of experience with qigong/energy work/retention

[Biff]

How can one hope to cultivate Qi while not practicing retention?

 

It's quite easy as were swimming in it. Not semen.. well some people might be but I meant Qi. The 'need' for retention depends on many things including age, type of practice, goal etc. Most people read about it in a thread and think they must do it. What a load of steaming shit.

 

The correct and natural approach would be to have balance. That means don't do it to much and don't do it to little. Many Qi Gong masters even sate that too much joy/laughter is not good. Now there may be a time for retention practice but certainly not when learnt from a book or a forum post. If anyone has to ask the question in a forum then if things turn bad who will be guiding/supporting you? the anonymous people in the forum?

 

Just and FYI. Serious retention practice will make your penis shrink back up inside you. It will also mess with your hormone levels and you become more feminine. Believe it or not, there are some transgender people that practice this to make themselves more female. There is also a possibility of developing gyno and you will probably turn into a fat bubble. After some time you many not even be able to see it any more over your belly and to others it will look like a midgets thumb poking through a bush.

 

All that can be offset with the correct training but then what are you trying to achieve? if it's just cultivating Qi then there is no need at all unless you are grandpa Simpson.

 

To answer the question of practicing retention in modern society.. of course it is possible. There are many sacrifices when walking a path that requires some level of dedication. Some sacrifices are necessary and some are not. It is a matter of self control and common sense. For example, do you go out and get pissed every night? I hope not. What would make it easier not to, would be to associate with like minded. If retention is serious to a person and they want to have a relashionship then perhaps finding a partner that understands might help. It's really not such a big deal.

 

This topic has really been done so many times..... Look at it like fasting... short periods might be great but longer you could do some damage. In some cases and usually with guidance you might reach stage like bigu. But then it should happen naturally and is something that should not be forced or considered essential.

[Sloppy Zhang]

Copied from the other thread (there's an "edit" function, you know )

 

Everywhere you turn in modern society you are blasted with sex- there's sex on tv, sex on the movies, sex in the music, sex in the paper, in the magazines, etc etc etc. Just go out and watch an action movie, 9 times out of 10 there's going to be some sex scene even if it serves absolutely no purpose. People like sex.

 

If you are trying to abstain or whatever it's going to be much harder getting into it while you have sex blasted in your face everywhere you turn. Sure, you CAN go to a 3-6 month retreat or something, get your center, banish all sexual thoughts, and return to society with a willpower of steel.

 

But since not everyone can do that, and must stay in society, well every once in a while you are going to get some urge brought on by a certain stimulus. When it gets too powerful, don't worry about it. Don't try and force yourself into being this super celibate guy. Have clean thoughts, clean actions, but you can't help it if you turn on the tv and there's, you know...... something there wink.gif

 

That's not to say that you should go out looking for this stuff. If it happens, it happens. Don't get attached and move on with your life. Eventually you'll go longer and longer between each time until it just doesn't phase you anymore.

 

Some other thoughts:

 

Good post Biff.

 

Just wanted to emphasize the last point that he made, that when you get to a certain practice it will be natural and not forced. A lot of times in yoga and other related practices people make a big deal about "halting the breath" and people do deep breathing while holding the breath for a while. I was never really into breath holding, and just did long and even inhales/exhales, with no pause in between, no breath holding. After a while and I get into a deep meditative state, I sometimes stop breathing. I'm not holding my breath, I just..... stop breathing.

 

Kinda hard to explain, but that's when I stopped thinking about holding your breath as being something crazy It's just that some people "try" to hold their breath, rather than reaching that point naturally.

Edited December 1, 2009 by Sloppy Zhang

[markern]

It's quite easy as were swimming in it. Not semen.. well some people might be but I meant Qi.

 

I am sure one day a porn flick will actually be made where someone is doing that

 

 

When you say that people become feminine because of retention are you talkin about no sex no ejaculations or sex with multiples and no ejaculations?

Edited December 1, 2009 by markern

[fiveelementtao]

Listen... semen retention is highly overrated. I've done it... If you find a GOOD energy system and practice regularly and have a normal sex life, You will be fine. Just be moderate, find a partner with whom who can have a loving relationship with and you will be fine. Guys on here want to be immortals or have superpowers or something and instead of training with a qualified teacher, they find a book on taoism and read about needing to practice retention and think if they don't bust a nut they will become John Chang or Wang Liping....

 

Retention is only ONE method. IT IS NOT NECESSARY...

 

Be natural, be human, seek out a good teacher and a good system... forget about the latest internet taoism fad....

 

If you are practicing retention without a teacher YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME anyway...

 

If you are on here asking these kinds of questions, it indicates you do not have a teacher. If you find a teacher, you can ask him and stop driving yourself crazy with everyone else's opinions...

 

So, the question isn't about semen, it's about why don't people want to really learn...

 

durkhrod chogori says, in the thread Not to be the 100th guy...

 

"Semen retention if you live in society is wrong. Ejaculate as often as your body tells you as long as you cultivate properly, but I will have advice you to have sex (if you possibly are able to) rather than non-partnered sex since you gain nothing out of it. Sex with the opposite sex will give you plenty of Yin energy."

 

How can one hope to cultivate Qi while not practicing retention?

 

Please discuss on what you think the relationship between Modern Day Society and True Semen Retention should be. Please indicate your level of experience with qigong/energy work/retention

[NeiChuan]

 

 

Just and FYI. Serious retention practice will make your penis shrink back up inside you. It will also mess with your hormone levels and you become more feminine. Believe it or not, there are some transgender people that practice this to make themselves more female. There is also a possibility of developing gyno and you will probably turn into a fat bubble. After some time you many not even be able to see it any more over your belly and to others it will look like a midgets thumb poking through a bush.

 

 

 

No disrespect. Pretty hard to believe.... Im sure people have practiced it for years and not had there wang even metaphorically dissapear.

[Inedible]

Excess stress makes transforming sexual energy more difficult. Stress is very good, but chronic stress is harmful. The problem is that muscle tension impedes the flow of chi. In order to reduce the intensity of emotions we are trained both to breathe less and to hold tension in the body (muscle armor?). The purpose of semen retention is to conserve energy, but if it stays stuck instead of being circulated and transformed, it is not much better than any other blockages where there is too much energy. The body may be forced to compensate. If you do choose this technique, be sure to use relaxation and circulate your energy. It only works if you can avoid excessively thinking about sex. A bit of awareness as continuously as possible on the third eye helps to detach from the sexual energy, draw it upward, and transform it. The microcosmic orbit is vital.

[immortal_sister]

 

Just and FYI. Serious retention practice will make your penis shrink back up inside you. It will also mess with your hormone levels and you become more feminine. Believe it or not, there are some transgender people that practice this to make themselves more female. There is also a possibility of developing gyno and you will probably turn into a fat bubble. After some time you many not even be able to see it any more over your belly and to others it will look like a midgets thumb poking through a bush.

 

All that can be offset with the correct training but then what are you trying to achieve? if it's just cultivating Qi then there is no need at all unless you are grandpa Simpson.

 

i am kind of speechless about your penis shrinking / feminizing comments if someone has NO IDEA how to do retention, it can certainly do damage to them. but i have never ever heard of such side effects. yes at a very advanced level, when you never ejaculate the testosterone levels will lower in the body. but that does not mean that the penis shrivels up and you become a chick!

 

have you experienced this yourself Biff?..

[effilang]

i am kind of speechless about your penis shrinking / feminizing comments if someone has NO IDEA how to do retention, it can certainly do damage to them. but i have never ever heard of such side effects. yes at a very advanced level, when you never ejaculate the testosterone levels will lower in the body. but that does not mean that the penis shrivels up and you become a chick!

 

have you experienced this yourself Biff?..

 

I have heard they use some of these techniques to transform male inmates into women to sell as prostitutes on the black market.

 

Like they can take a guy, and even make him grow boobs. Natural jiggle and all.

Edited December 1, 2009 by effilang

[Apech]

Great thread!

 

I'd like to read more but I need to go and have my new bra fitted.

[immortal_sister]

[NeiChuan]

Yeah lol.. if any change would happen like this it would have to be in childhood.. but it'd have to be an added affect.. Thats just me.

[Biff]

I am sure one day a porn flick will actually be made where someone is doing that

When you say that people become feminine because of retention are you talkin about no sex no ejaculations or sex with multiples and no ejaculations?

 

I'm talking no sex no ejaculations. Your knob will def shrink unless you are doing Jiu Jiu Shen Gong or something like male deer etc.

 

i am kind of speechless about your penis shrinking / feminizing comments if someone has NO IDEA how to do retention, it can certainly do damage to them. but i have never ever heard of such side effects. yes at a very advanced level, when you never ejaculate the testosterone levels will lower in the body. but that does not mean that the penis shrivels up and you become a chick!

 

have you experienced this yourself Biff?..

 

Well retention does not mean practicing Chia's shit. Some people whack off and suck the energy into the bones etc. That is asking for trouble unless you are doing proper practice and I still advise a teacher. Then there is true retention/celibacy. That will shrink your cock into a little maggot. It's mentioned in a few texts including Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immortality by Charles Luk.

 

Speaking from experience I have done long periods of retention (back in the day). Two weeks is one cycle and should be enough for a young person to get quite a foundation. If you are doing shit right after 100 (or even before) there will be a change that you cannot revert back from. But it's not needed trust me. Retention is not needed unless you are fairly old.

 

With prolonged practice the first thing you loose is the morning wood. Eventually the desire and then you will notice changes physically and emotionally. If you are not practicing right you will have serious issues.

 

Really it's like the difference between a forced and spontaneous practice. You can have great results with forced energy practice but you can also have dire results and it really needs a teacher. With a spontaneous practice things happen more naturally and in there own time (depends on the persons mind state though). The problem is most people approach these things with the wrong mindset and no knowledge.

 

I might add some more to this later but I don't have time right now....

 

I will say that my knob may not be that long.... but it's pop can thick.... and that's what counts most women hate it when you bang their cervix anyways...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Great thread!

 

I'd like to read more but I need to go and have my new bra fitted.

 

 

-dX3sOWE2xQ

Edited December 2, 2009 by Biff

[immortal_sister]

i really, really wish i hadn't watched that video... why, oh why so people do this!!!

 

 

I'm talking no sex no ejaculations. Your knob will def shrink unless you are doing Jiu Jiu Shen Gong or something like male deer etc.

Well retention does not mean practicing Chia's shit. Some people whack off and suck the energy into the bones etc. That is asking for trouble unless you are doing proper practice and I still advise a teacher. Then there is true retention/celibacy. That will shrink your cock into a little maggot. It's mentioned in a few texts including Taoist Yoga: Alchemy & Immortality by Charles Luk.

 

i wasn't assuming that we were talking about jus chia's techniques. i plan on reading taoist yoga in a few weeks.

 

ah well i certainly don't know much about retention and full celibacy. my only direct experience is with someone who practices advanced retention but is far, far from celibate

i agree with you that essentially, the issues is with knowing what you are doing and having a teacher. most people can/will do serious damage to themselves trying to learn this stuff from books. but it is all in the mindset, and how energetically aware the person is to begin with.

 

Speaking from experience I have done long periods of retention (back in the day). Two weeks is one cycle and should be enough for a young person to get quite a foundation. If you are doing shit right after 100 (or even before) there will be a change that you cannot revert back from. But it's not needed trust me. Retention is not needed unless you are fairly old.

 

With prolonged practice the first thing you loose is the morning wood. Eventually the desire and then you will notice changes physically and emotionally. If you are not practicing right you will have serious issues.

 

 

i am assuming everything you are referring to here is in relation to prolonged practice in complete celibacy?

 

and also, i wasn't sure about your wording in some of the sentences... were you saying that retention for 2 weeks is enough for someone to get a good foundation? and that after 100 days there will be a change that you cannot revert back? what change is that?

[Non]

wouldn't the sixth tibetan rite help?

 

I know after practicing a few days... I felt like my drive had a cap on it. It wasn't totally gone but... well what do u expect when you're sitting there doing the practice of pulling your balls into your body?

 

As for penis shrinking I guess a number of penis lengthening exercises would help.. and, well just become more sexual.. not in the bad way tho either where you can't control it. take some goji berries for testosterone or whatever else. horny goat weed, mucuna pruriens to jump start it with dopamine. or just get a woman.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Non

[markern]

wouldn't the sixth tibetan rite help?

 

I know after practicing a few days... I felt like my drive had a cap on it. It wasn't totally gone but... well what do u expect when you're sitting there doing the practice of pulling your balls into your body?

 

As for penis shrinking I guess a number of penis lengthening exercises would help.. and, well just become more sexual.. not in the bad way tho either where you can't control it. take some goji berries for testosterone or whatever else. horny goat weed, mucuna pruriens to jump start it with dopamine. or just get a woman.

 

The sixth rite is supposed to do exactly that so it should absolutely help if one is trying to sublimate sexual energy.

 

Someone told me about a guy who tried to go without sex and masturbation for a few months to see what would happen. It felt quite nice and after a few months he lost his sex drive and completly forgot about sex. He then whent for well over a year and decided to get normal again, started having sex and everything back to normal. But I am sure there could be some lastin changes in some instances. Curious about what Biff refers to.

[Ya Mu]

OP - you should just edit your threads instead of posting new one, confusing.

 

So I will re-post from your other thread:

There are SO many threads on this, most are from guys who injured their health.

 

But i don't mind saying again, semen retention is not necessary, needed or desired. Use condom for birth control.

WALK the middle path. This means no excess but no suppression.

 

Find a soul mate or a new soul mate. Cultivation with a partner is MUCH MORE POWERFUL. The main ingredient is true love, one of the most powerful of all things that exist.

 

Now you will hear from those that think it is the greatest thing since grits. But I challenge each and every one of them to try the 2-person love method of energy exchange before they crow about how how good semen retention is and screw up another 10 young men who read crap like that on a forum. The method I refer to is published in my book and it works quite well and is simple. Single person semen retention will not open up gateways to other worlds but the 2-person method most certainly can.

 

OP, if you wish to gain in energy learn proper qigong.

 

And this question was asked in other thread:

What you say makes sense when you have a partner - what about when you don't have one ? Does retention make sense in that case ?

And here was my reply:

Follow the path of the golden mean.

As I said above, not too much, not too little. No need for retention. When you raise your energy body vibration through the practice of energetics you WILL find soul mates at every turn. Don't let this overwhelm you, but good time to try dual cultivation.

[Enishi]

Hmm.

 

I practiced retention once for 3 weeks without any emissions. Looking back on it now though, my method was probably not very smart. I still masturbated occasionally while trying to draw the aroused energy upward, just not to the point of ejaculation. I was also still looking at da sexy pictures here and there. I did a bit of meditation here and there, but no chi kung. After the first 9 days, every time I saw an attractive woman walk by I would feel like her breasts were sending out an astral projection which would physically bonk me on the forehead.

 

My balls were frequently sore and I constantly felt like I had to go to the bathroom. I'm glad I didn't try to extend it any further than 3 weeks....

 

I did notice a boost in mental clarity and peace and a reduced need for sleep though.

Edited December 2, 2009 by Enishi

[Non]

actually... I think semen retention, or more like, prolonged celibacy ie 100 days or so, plus the 6 tibetans, may be beneficial for those who (like me) are extremely unfulfilled in their lives that their UNBALANCED sexual energies cause havoc in their day to day lives and controls them. would be nice to stand up and feel free of the burden of "needing" to have sex... but of course that need might only exist during the first phase of celibacy.

 

I wonder though.. what kind of effect I would have if I still have "sexual" thoughts or get erections throughout the 100 day period ie for some exercises.

 

100 days is quite a commitment. I would fear that some of my best opportunities might come during that time.. but lo and behold I would have to be practicing celibacy... then when I get out of it, my best prospects would have gone away from lack of effort? lacking that "lower chakra spark"? ie too much upper chakra too little lower chakra, for the girls. and they wouldn't even understand it... and I wouldve felt like I did it for nothing. nothing but to put up with longer unfulfillment. If only I could find a girl who could understand and stay with me through the thick and thin... maybe practice along with me And she'll learn that it was all for the better .

 

but then again if I dont do it then I'll still be quite messed up.

 

If it wasn't for that begging "desire" to have sex NOW and not later because "life's too short, we could die anytime, we get old, the women get old, or taken, etc etc etc"

 

edit: maybe a way of balancing sexual energies is another idea

 

i found this on sexual energy balance: http://sexuality.wholesomebalance.com/

havent read it tho

Edited December 2, 2009 by Non

[mantis]

For someone who believes they may have damaged themselves through retention, what do you recommend Biff?

[hyok]

I have come to realize that retention, like many things, can be used properly at the right times, but isn't entirely necessary. I don't think it's a Black or White thing. It's a When thing.

 

Say you're single and have a K awakening, its best to retain for a little while just to ensure the light is circulating and energized, but as a few others have said in other threads, middle path is the best. Ejaculating every month or month and half works.

 

I don't know what "modern society" means, but I do think times are different in the grand scheme of things, so maybe the rules and the environment has changed with it.

[zazaza]

If u ejaculate regularly,

the reproductive systems gets a workout.

 

Not using certain parts of the body often has unbeneficial effects.

Sex might be a "necessary evil" if one wants to stay healthy.

[Non]

I have come to realize that retention, like many things, can be used properly at the right times, but isn't entirely necessary. I don't think it's a Black or White thing. It's a When thing.

 

Say you're single and have a K awakening, its best to retain for a little while just to ensure the light is circulating and energized, but as a few others have said in other threads, middle path is the best. Ejaculating every month or month and half works.

 

I don't know what "modern society" means, but I do think times are different in the grand scheme of things, so maybe the rules and the environment has changed with it.

 

 

yea I think its more of a WHEN thing also.

 

I think... sex is necessary as well, but its more of a when thing. Necessary for a sexual being like humans. So yea, its my fuucking dilemma too.

 

I can't get nowhere because I've never fucked or had much social contact nor do I have the memory or experience necessary to actually get myself any social contact and get a girl other than a fucking prostitute.

 

So what the fuck. Peple are just going to keep rejecting me even if I act nice (I'm not always bitter).

[C T]

yea I think its more of a WHEN thing also.

 

I think... sex is necessary as well, but its more of a when thing. Necessary for a sexual being like humans. So yea, its my fuucking dilemma too.

 

I can't get nowhere because I've never fucked or had much social contact nor do I have the memory or experience necessary to actually get myself any social contact and get a girl other than a fucking prostitute.

 

So what the fuck. Peple are just going to keep rejecting me even if I act nice (I'm not always bitter).

 

Not having sex does not make one less human, and definitely not a dilemma. However, one is always free to project whatever to dramatize the whole "Look at me.." scenario, but sex, or lack of it, in itself, is not, and should never be used as a mental "wheelchair"..

 

If you choose to hang on too tightly to your limitations, do not expect others to loosen it for you. That is solely your responsibility, and how you shoulder this determines the outcomes of your interactions, including those with your 'self'.

 

There is no need to 'act' in any way. Acting implies compensating and conforming, neither of which can be considered helpful, both to yourself and the audience. (The exception, of course, is if you're an aspiring actor, which you are not.) At the end of the day, its really a pain to have to remove all the masks... Its easier and safer to just be true to yourself.

 

Sometimes it is better to be alone. It can be a very empowering experience IF you choose the right mental framework with which to practice this aloneness.

 

Change almost always begin only when we realize and accept that we DO have options. There are no such things as dead-end streets, only streets where U-turns are permitted.

 

We are allowed frustrations. We are allowed despair. Nothing very painful in themselves. It only gets unbearable when we struggle to rid ourselves of these states. Non-acceptance have a tendency to compound our problems. Instead, try understanding the lesson behind their presence in our experience. If we are honestly able to accept the truth being unveiled by our dissatisfactions, that in itself signifies a willingness to be open and receptive to change.

 

All the best.

Edited December 5, 2009 by CowTao

[zazaza]

don't beat yourself up for it,

girls aren't any more special than men in my opinion.

 

men or women? it's just flesh and bones with a brain on top.

 

 

nature kind of programmed men to be masculine,

women to be femenine...

 

but if you take a good look at humans you can see that

the differences between man and women are really minimal and superficial.

 

 

 

sex, company (whether friendship or intimate relationship), etc

these's are all extra's... unnecessary luxuary's.

 

we don't need them to be blissfully happy.

In losing, much is gained,

and in gaining, much is lost.