zazaza Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) I just came home from the ER I went in with a really high heartrate (200 during the peak). They have hooked me up to their machines and took bloodtests and stuff. I was completely calm the whole time before calling ER, during waiting for the ER, being transported to the hospital and arriving there. So! I find a heartrate like that a bit suspicious. Apparently my blood revealed i was hyperventillating, yet i totally felt like i was breathing "calm and naturally". I have a hard time at knowing when I should breath in and out, and when I should not... depending on the level of exercise I'm doing. Can anyone give me a quick practical explanation please? Because my breath is a timebomb that can't wait to to explode again Edited December 1, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 1, 2009 What did the doctors say was causing it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) What did the doctors say was causing it? According to the fact my blood had way too much (or too little?) oxygen, there could be no other cause for my high heartrate other than hyperventillation. - so the doctor said! A week ago I was hypoventillating because i was forgetting to breathe, and apparently tonight i was hyperventillating, trying to breath in a natural way that was apparently too deep and too fast. the high dose of lorazepam they dosed me with is trying to make me fall asssslllllleeeeep. i wasn't anxious but they still decided to dose me because they automatically think that hyperventillation is always caused by stress. they never think about the people like me, who are calm, and just have a breathing disorder. Edited December 1, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 1, 2009 I don't think you should ask for advice here, when you already had to go to the ER for breathing "calmly and naturally". If someone gives you bad advice, who knows what could happen. This should be something you discuss with your doctor, to find out why your breathing isn't working. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) I don't think you should ask for advice here, when you already had to go to the ER for breathing "calmly and naturally". If someone gives you bad advice, who knows what could happen. This should be something you discuss with your doctor, to find out why your breathing isn't working. They gave me meds (a betablocker) to calm down the high heartrate. They told me i should visit a "Kinesist" to help me learn to breath properly. Not knowing what's causing my high heartrate for such a long time had inspired me to prepare some caps with high grade cayenne pepper. (they can apparently restore blood flow during heartattacks) I took 3 of them in the mouth a couple of hours ago... Which means the stomache cramps from hell are about to commence soon. Edited December 1, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tao99 Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) This is a serious problem. Listen to your doctor. I wish you good health and good energy (prana/chi) from each inhale, and expelled waste from each exhale, keeping and feeling the good energy inside! Remember - breath energy is good for health!! When your body feels like gathering more, LET IT. When your body feels like exhaling the waste, LET IT. If your object of meditation is not your breath (thought, quietude, image, body, environment), FORGET IT. Here's the simplest breathing exercise I've seen. If I were you I would currently forget about the posture and try it sitting comfortably and lieing down. Listen to the words on breathing very carefully!!! Good luck and please keep us informed as to your practices and results. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Edited December 2, 2009 by Tao99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aetherous Posted December 1, 2009 Kinesiologist, maybe? I hope they recommended a specific person for you to see...if not you should ask and get that person's card, so you know where to go. That would be your best bet, because you can't make progress with Taoist practices otherwise. I would also ask the person you're supposed to see what he/she thinks of the Stress Eraser device. Print out this page and show it to them... http://stresseraser.com/science-of-the-stresseraser/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) Kinesiologist, yes, i know a good one. i will ask her if she is the best in breath or not. i will also show her the stresseraser device. i think it's cool but i can't afford it. if anyone wants to create more replies in this thread, please do so. thanks so far for the help... but right now it's SLEEP TIME for Zazaza Edited December 1, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Encephalon Posted December 1, 2009 Kinesiologist, yes, i know a good one. i will ask her if she is the best in breath or not. i will also show her the stresseraser device. i think it's cool but i can't afford it. if anyone wants to create more replies in this thread, please do so. thanks so far for the help... but right now it's SLEEP TIME for Zazaza GEEZ LOUIZE... Scotty's right here. Don't solicit medical advice from this forum; it is a repository of misinformation and pissing contests. If you have critical thinking skills, are familiar with the inside of a library, and have some basic anatomy skills, you'll be in a position to ask some informed questions, at which point you may get informed answers. If you come in here your first week looking for the meaning of electrons, you will be told to drink paint thinner while standing in Tree Pose. Enjoy your rest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tao99 Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) He wasn't asking for medical advice. His questions in his title are - So how long exactly should one breath in and out?, how about during exercise? good meditation questions as far as I can see. Edited December 1, 2009 by Tao99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheng zhen Posted December 2, 2009 So how long exactly should one breath in and out?, how about during exercise? With the StressEraser there is a function where you can find the breath frequency that works best for your nervous system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TzuJanLi Posted December 2, 2009 Greetings.. Four cycles (inhale/exhale) per minute.. Be well.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) Anyone who wants to pay me a stresseraser? Greetings.. Four cycles (inhale/exhale) per minute.. Be well.. I'm sure you mean in rest. Your advices equals... 4,5 sec Breath ins 9,0 sec Breath out I just called my kinesiologist and she recommends 3sec in 6sec out (+-4sec out during exercise) hyperventillation can easily be stopped by taking very short shallow inhales, and having long deep exhales. how long one is to breath in and out exactly probably varies a lot depending on ones particular body, but as long as i breath out longer than i breath in, i will probably not hyperventillate If you come in here your first week looking for the meaning of electrons, you will be told to drink paint thinner while standing in Tree Pose. Lol i understand your concern. I like to compare people's advice, and always try to use my own common sense. Edited December 2, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted December 2, 2009 My time to speak. Back to the original question: So how long exactly should one breath in and out? My understanding: One should continue to breathe in and out until one dies. You can probably safely stop at that moment. I hope this has been helpful. Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that Posted December 2, 2009 My understanding: One should continue to breathe in and out until one dies. You can probably safely stop at that moment. I hope this has been helpful. Peace & Love! lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) I suspect that there is a cheaper, perhaps less accurate, but still helpful alternative to the $179 stress-eraser. If you wear a regular heartratemeter (with cheststrap, as the wrist-only meters are inaccurate) you can experiment with different breathing rhythms and see the change it has on your heartrate. Lower heartrate is probably indicative for a better breathing pattern. Edited December 3, 2009 by zazaza Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zazaza Posted December 3, 2009 I visited doctors many times, had my blood drawn many times. Last blood tests were recent. So, i probably don't have any deadly kind of disease. I can't afford to visit any doctor the next few months. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted December 3, 2009 I was merely stating it didnt seem to stem from how you are breathing. You may be able to get to the root of this issue more than one way Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
