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Hi everyone,

 

Finally having enough energy to resume a standing practice after some time spend only on MHP (supine version) and I decided to practice same one but standing up and I find myself having a lot of spontaneous movement.

But I was wondering how much movement is allowed? Should I keep hands where they are in mudra position or are arms allowed to move as well? 

 

Thanks for your insights and wishing everyone already a nice weekend!

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32 minutes ago, Boreas said:

Hi everyone,

 

Finally having enough energy to resume a standing practice after some time spend only on MHP (supine version) and I decided to practice same one but standing up and I find myself having a lot of spontaneous movement.

But I was wondering how much movement is allowed? Should I keep hands where they are in mudra position or are arms allowed to move as well? 

 

Thanks for your insights and wishing everyone already a nice weekend!


Let the energy go where it wants BUT keep holding the mudra and arms the same as much as possible, while also keeping your feet in the same position.

 

It’s been a while since I had significant spontaneous movement now that you’ve reminded me, but for a time I had a lot of it. 
 

Wait until you try Monk Hold Peach, it will be a rollercoaster compared to Monk Holds Pearl!
 

As always, wait for Sifu Terry’s response to be sure. 

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On 9/6/2024 at 5:12 AM, Boreas said:

Hi everyone,

 

Finally having enough energy to resume a standing practice after some time spend only on MHP (supine version) and I decided to practice same one but standing up and I find myself having a lot of spontaneous movement.

But I was wondering how much movement is allowed? Should I keep hands where they are in mudra position or are arms allowed to move as well? 

 

Thanks for your insights and wishing everyone already a nice weekend!

Hi Boreas,   Sorry for this delay in replying.  I actually did write a reply 2 weeks ago, but I was in the Catskills with fritzy WiFi and what I thought I had sent did not get sent,  So here is my reply answer again--recalled and beefed up:

 

Pak Satrio is correct:  keep your hands in the mudra--palms covering the tan tien with the tip of your thumbs in your navel.  And allow your body to shake and vibrate spontaneously.  All the vibrations, involuntary movements and tossings are part of the relaxation response,  Just let them continue,  You will find that with regular practice over time, the durations, degree and amplitude of your vibratory states will continually lesson--except, of course, if you greatly change your lifestyle, work, emotional life, and consumption habits... and add tons of stress to your life.

 

At this point in your practice, let me ask you: 

(1)  Have your spontaneous movements have decreased in intensity and in duration?

(2a.)   What do feel immediately after a spell of spontaneous involuntary movements subsides?

(2b.)   Do you feel any special or unique form of calmness or quiescence after the shakes subside?

 

As Pak Satrio suggested, move on to Monk Holding the Peach, and of course, Monk Gazing At Moon.

PRACTICE THESE 3 STATIONARY FP MEDITATIONS IN EQUAL PROPORTION OVER THE SHORT AND LONG TERM.

Then, if you're not doing it already, practice "BENDING THE BOWS" regularly.

Once you've done a couple of months of MHPearl, MHPeach and MGM, and have experienced the vibratory states set off by each of these, when you get to doing Bending the Bows, this KEYSTONE EXERCISE will take all that energy newly formed and  stored in your Xing (Shape-Form of the body) and circulate it through the horizontal circling and the vertical egg shape in continuous alternation. 

 

Spoiler:  You should feel that deep connection of how Bending the Bows circulates the FP Healing Qi released and cultivated by MHPearl, MHPeach, and MGM.   FP Qigong is a system, and it was not pout together in any random fashion by Feng Do Duk.

 

When in doubt about proper practice, go back and preciselyt follow the training format and sequencing in each volume of the CKFH DVD series.

Or sign up for my Zoom classes when they resume in October.  (I took Sept. off to move my residience and teaching space to another state, MA.)

 

As I've advised throughout the 14 years of this thread:   when  the spontaneous vibrations and shakings arise in any of the FP Meds., just relax more and ride them out.  They will always subside.

The only exception to this advice is, of course, if you experience any serious or intense pain(s)( while doing a particular FP Meditation.  Then you should stop and address that pain by any means you have.  And get checked over by a western physician.

 

I hope you continue to enjoy the ride on the Flying Phoenix.

 

Sifu Terry

 

https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

 

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There is one thing I have not found while reading this thread is.. pacing... If I am correct, there are several points in any moving meditation, when one could stop and hold position for a while...  Just practising it seems it would be beneficial to stop at. various positions ..  When I did it seemed to be empowering.

 

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39 minutes ago, centertime said:

There is one thing I have not found while reading this thread is.. pacing... If I am correct, there are several points in any moving meditation, when one could stop and hold position for a while...  Just practising it seems it would be beneficial to stop at. various positions ..  When I did it seemed to be empowering.

 

 
Not with Flying Phoenix unless the specific meditation calls for it in certain sections (like Vol 7 AMSW5)

 

Best is just to do it as slow as possible

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I was poking through some of this thread and was wondering if Sifu Terry or a FP student could explain what having spiritual source progenitor means?  Thx in advance!

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9 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

 
Not with Flying Phoenix unless the specific meditation calls for it in certain sections (like Vol 7 AMSW5)

 

Best is just to do it as slow as possible

stopping is as slow as possible.

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On 26/09/2024 at 7:49 PM, zen-bear said:

Hi Boreas,   Sorry for this delay in replying.  I actually did write a reply 2 weeks ago, but I was in the Catskills with fritzy WiFi and what I thought I had sent did not get sent,  So here is my reply answer again--recalled and beefed up:

 

Pak Satrio is correct:  keep your hands in the mudra--palms covering the tan tien with the tip of your thumbs in your navel.  And allow your body to shake and vibrate spontaneously.  All the vibrations, involuntary movements and tossings are part of the relaxation response,  Just let them continue,  You will find that with regular practice over time, the durations, degree and amplitude of your vibratory states will continually lesson--except, of course, if you greatly change your lifestyle, work, emotional life, and consumption habits... and add tons of stress to your life.

 

At this point in your practice, let me ask you: 

(1)  Have your spontaneous movements have decreased in intensity and in duration?

(2a.)   What do feel immediately after a spell of spontaneous involuntary movements subsides?

(2b.)   Do you feel any special or unique form of calmness or quiescence after the shakes subside?

 

As Pak Satrio suggested, move on to Monk Holding the Peach, and of course, Monk Gazing At Moon.

PRACTICE THESE 3 STATIONARY FP MEDITATIONS IN EQUAL PROPORTION OVER THE SHORT AND LONG TERM.

Then, if you're not doing it already, practice "BENDING THE BOWS" regularly.

Once you've done a couple of months of MHPearl, MHPeach and MGM, and have experienced the vibratory states set off by each of these, when you get to doing Bending the Bows, this KEYSTONE EXERCISE will take all that energy newly formed and  stored in your Xing (Shape-Form of the body) and circulate it through the horizontal circling and the vertical egg shape in continuous alternation. 

 

Spoiler:  You should feel that deep connection of how Bending the Bows circulates the FP Healing Qi released and cultivated by MHPearl, MHPeach, and MGM.   FP Qigong is a system, and it was not pout together in any random fashion by Feng Do Duk.

 

When in doubt about proper practice, go back and preciselyt follow the training format and sequencing in each volume of the CKFH DVD series.

Or sign up for my Zoom classes when they resume in October.  (I took Sept. off to move my residience and teaching space to another state, MA.)

 

As I've advised throughout the 14 years of this thread:   when  the spontaneous vibrations and shakings arise in any of the FP Meds., just relax more and ride them out.  They will always subside.

The only exception to this advice is, of course, if you experience any serious or intense pain(s)( while doing a particular FP Meditation.  Then you should stop and address that pain by any means you have.  And get checked over by a western physician.

 

I hope you continue to enjoy the ride on the Flying Phoenix.

 

Sifu Terry

 

https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

 

Thanks for your answer and no problem for the delay, it’s already so kind of you to take time answering questions you probably a million times!

 

To answer your questions:

1) Yes, they tend to come more like long waves with some stopping moments. I just stay a little bit worried by my legs because following advices already given by Pak Satrio, I tried to keep my feet in same position but I always end up loosing my stance a little bit...

 

2a/b) Calmer and lighter in a way

 

As I keep getting better, I'll try to get back to a more complete practice in the next days and see where it goes!

 

Thanks again for your answer and advices!

 

Ps: When you speak about tip of thumbs in the navel while palms covering lower dan tien in MHP, you mean litteraly in the navel or rather in front of it? 

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51 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

 

Hi Jenn! Could you quote where you saw that?

 

Originally on this post (below), but found a second reference searching for the term to see if I could find more context:

 

 

 

 

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Ok, @Jenn thanks for the quote!

 

Let me try my best to explain. First of all the full name of Flying Phoenix in Chinese is “Fae Fung Sunn Gung” which roughly translates to “Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Meditations”. The origin story of Flying Phoenix qigong is that in 1644 the Taoist monk Fung Doe Duk from Emei mountain was taught this qigong from a Goddess, and that the energy we use in this qigong does not come from us, but from Heaven. This is what would be called the “spiritual source progenitor”, as we learn through practice to access the energy from this source.

 

In terms of who the Goddess is, many Flying Phoenix practitioners seem to have some sort of encounter with Guan Yin eventually. 
 

But besides all the religious and spiritual connotations, I personally find that the qi we work with in Flying Phoenix feels a lot different than in other systems. In other systems the qi feels like electric or a hot heat, whereas in Flying Phoenix it’s more magnetic and a cool menthol heat. You may have noticed that at the start of many Flying Phoenix exercises we do the “Monk Begging for Rice” pose with our palms facing up to the sky. Could this be that we are receiving qi from above (from the Goddess, Heaven, universe or whatever else), and then moving it around our body with the exercises?

 

The important thing is that it doesn’t matter what you believe, Flying Phoenix just works regardless. We are just a vessel to fill up with qi, to heal ourselves and to heal others. Just be thankful for what qi and knowledge you receive and be diligent with your practice!

 

@zen-bear please correct me if I have made any mistake with this explanation 

 

You can read more about the origin story of Flying Phoenix here:

 

https://tibetan.tripod.com/ch-phoen.htm

 

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Question: is this Chi Kung suitable for healing kidney decease?

Any experience in this matter or concrete example when it helped?

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To Pak's comments about the spiritual history of Flying Phoenix Chi Kung. It might be quite a stretch for most people to believe that a goddess or any kind of deity can appear to humans. I probably have posted a comment like this before somewhere on here. But I will mention this again. About 9 years ago when I gave my then soon to be wife the Oneness Blessing learned from the avatar, Sri Amma Bhagavan, she reported seeing in her mind's eye this woman dressed in ancient Chinese looking clothes demonstrating these movements that she was to repeat. At this time, my fiancé had never seen any demonstration of chi kung, nor heard of any description of it. I asked her to show me the movements she was shown. They were totally chi kung! And it was interesting that one of the movements worked along the liver meridian. I knew at that time that she had a rather toxic build up in her liver from all of the medications she required. Some time later this experience was reported to our esteemed medical clairvoyant who then told us that what my girlfriend had seen was Green Tara, the Tibetan deity, and that this experience represented something way beyond Tibetan Buddhism. Then some years after that, my best friend's sister attended a Oneness Blessing course for the first time and she saw Kwan Yin appear in a cloud. Kwan Yin then taught her a chi kung method. So knowing these people and hearing their stories convinced me that deities can appear to certain people and instruct them in chi kung. Thus, the folk lore about the origins of Flying Phoenix Chi Kung might actually have some truth to it. Personal experience demonstrates that it is a unique type of qigong for sure, regardless of its origin. And as far as deities manifesting for people, it is now a somewhat common experience for some people in the Oneness movement these days. Physical manifestation, not just seeing them in their mind's eye!

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On 10/6/2024 at 5:57 PM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Hi Sifu Terry,

 

Someone asked me an interesting question the other day, they wanted to know which specific MSW exercise is good for getting rid of brain fog. I find that they all are good for mental clarity, but was wondering if any are stronger than others for it. 

Hi Pak Satrio,
I'm glad you have found the Monk Serves Wine meditations to be effective in clearing brain fog.  All the FP Meditations do that.  And the MSW meds. all work better once one has firmly established the standing meds as  a regular practice. 
 
As I've always stated based on my teaching experience, every person responds differently and uniquely to the FP Qigong system.  Thus the same is true of Monk Serves Wine subsystem of FP.   But there are a few benefits of the FP Qigong that are universally experienced.
 
Brain fog is a nebulous condition that can be caused by a wide variety of factors:  fatigue, physical exhaustion, malnutrition/bad diet, poor sleep, menopause, high stress, chemical intoxicants, extreme emotional upset, etc.  Brain fog can also be the cognitive decline that comes with advanced age --e.g., 90 years and older.  So different practitioners will find that different MSW meds. will be more effective than others in clearing or preventing brain fog.  And those MSW meds that people think cure brain fog are usually recognized as such because they impart the tangible and sensational brain activation--i.e. the very tangible Qi activation of specific brain centers (e.g. parietal lobes, frontal lobe, temporal lobe, and occipital lobe). 
 
Excerpt from my forthcoming book on FPCK: 
A milestone in MSW practice is when one experiences a higher meditative state of consciousnes (HSC) "total brain energization" where one feels energy movement permeating everything inside the skull--in a manner that GM Doo Wai accurately described as a "gentle washing sensation"--like a very smooth and slow washing machine cycle.   This "washing sensation" is a totally unique experience found exclusively in FP Qigong/MSW practice!   Absolutely nothing like it is attainable through practice of any other type of Yoga in the world, in my opinion and well-educated guess!    [end of excerpt.]
 
That said, the MSW meds. that I personally have found to clear brain fog are:
A.   MSW#2, #3 (on Volume 2), especially #3, aka "the Waker-upper" (90 80 50 20);
B.  Certainly the second and third meds. on Volume 7 that have the breathing sequences (80 70 50 20) and (70 50 20 10) and that have longer and more complex choreographies.
C.  It's also about the quality of one's meditation.  Back in 2017-18 when I had a lot of experienced and seasoned meditators from diverse traditions in my classes in Lenox, MA, these students were exclaiming wonderful highs in brain function and deepest absorption just from doing the first three preparatory meditations on Vol.2 --(5 60 80 40 30), (50 30 10), and (50 10 50).  
• In fact, I suggest that all FP Practitioners go back and do these first 3 "warmup" on Vol.2 to discover that they are just as powerful and transformative as any other MSW, especially after one has mastered 'keeping your back still'."
 
Thanks for posting this question, Pak.
 
Sifu Terry
 
 
 
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On 10/1/2024 at 8:39 AM, tao stillness said:

To Pak's comments about the spiritual history of Flying Phoenix Chi Kung. It might be quite a stretch for most people to believe that a goddess or any kind of deity can appear to humans. I probably have posted a comment like this before somewhere on here. But I will mention this again. About 9 years ago when I gave my then soon to be wife the Oneness Blessing learned from the avatar, Sri Amma Bhagavan, she reported seeing in her mind's eye this woman dressed in ancient Chinese looking clothes demonstrating these movements that she was to repeat. At this time, my fiancé had never seen any demonstration of chi kung, nor heard of any description of it. I asked her to show me the movements she was shown. They were totally chi kung! And it was interesting that one of the movements worked along the liver meridian. I knew at that time that she had a rather toxic build up in her liver from all of the medications she required. Some time later this experience was reported to our esteemed medical clairvoyant who then told us that what my girlfriend had seen was Green Tara, the Tibetan deity, and that this experience represented something way beyond Tibetan Buddhism. Then some years after that, my best friend's sister attended a Oneness Blessing course for the first time and she saw Kwan Yin appear in a cloud. Kwan Yin then taught her a chi kung method. So knowing these people and hearing their stories convinced me that deities can appear to certain people and instruct them in chi kung. Thus, the folk lore about the origins of Flying Phoenix Chi Kung might actually have some truth to it. Personal experience demonstrates that it is a unique type of qigong for sure, regardless of its origin. And as far as deities manifesting for people, it is now a somewhat common experience for some people in the Oneness movement these days. Physical manifestation, not just seeing them in their mind's eye!

Hi Tao Stillness,
Thank you, for sharing the experiences of your family members who experienced spiritual visitations that taught or transmitted to them yogic/qigong knowledge from higher realms.  I will share these 5 personal experiences related to my study and mastery of Chinese internal arts--related in terms initiation-annointment, prophesy, precise guidance, and inspiration-reassurance.

(1.)  In 1977 when I was living in Los Feliz, CA after I had finished college and was living in my first rental (and was 4 years into studying kung fu with my first teacher, Sifu Douglas Wong) I had a lucid dream where a radiant Kwan Yin (of similar shape and countenance of a beautiful white alabaster statuette I had of her) appeared near the foot of my bed holding a long-stemmed white lotus flower.  Then the flower left Kwan Yin's hand (no movement she made) and slowing flew through the air tumbling end over end in 4 times until it landed stem first in my hands held at the tan tien--with the flower coming to resting on my heart).  Hmmm.  I just now realized--after 47 years--why I think GM Doo Wai calls the palms clasped at the heart (the "prayer hands" position or what's referred to as the "Anjali mudra" in Indian Yogas) the "lotus position".  I've not heard the "prayer hands" position commonly referred to as the "lotus position."   In Tao Tan Pai Neigong, Meditation No. 30 in the Tao Tan Pai Basic 31 Meditations System is done by sitting in half-lotus position for 15  minutes or longer with the palms clasped at the heart, and is called  "The Sky Meditation."  Most people know the term "lotus position" is the universally used name for the classical seated cross-legged meditation position (the "half lotus" and "full lotus" positions).  But GM Doo Wai  calls that palms-clasped-at-the-heart position the "lotus position" when it occurs in Flying Phoenix Qigong and all its sister arts in the Bok Fu Pai tradition.  Now I can join him in that usage of "Lotus Position" because that name has special meaning for me tied to Kwan Yin's gift of the lotus flower.


(2.)  Back in 2007, right when I began teaching the Tao Tan Pai Monkey Form as an extra Qigong novelty to my weekly Tai Chi class in Santa Monica, I experienced a dream visitation and instruction in that specific form by the ven. John Davidson, the senior student of Share K. Lew at the Taoist Sanctuary--because the Monkey Form was Master Davidson's forte and signature formNo one in our temple did it as powerfully as he did..   In the dream, I saw him do the first 7 movements/postures of the form.  Then at the 7th movement, which is a 180º leftward turn from a right cat stance into a left twist or "T" stance (because the feet are perpendicular like the letter "T" with the right knee resting on the left calf muscle) with the arms in the same (Lifting Hands-like) position, John turned into the posture and then he spat saliva forcefully.  Then the dream ended.  I was quite puzzled because spitting is not a part of TTP training or any kung fu training that I know if--except if you have to use it as a distraction or an incitement at the start of a street.  So puzzling was the vision of him spitting (it wasn't towards me, btw) that I went back into a lucid dreamstate and asked John what he meant by the spitting.  And as soon as I asked,  I instantly  understood that he was showing me how I can treat the strong evil adversaries that I've encountered in my life so far (since 1991) who also happen to be my karmic enemies--so as to not harbor hate towards them, which consumes one from the inside out and only attracts other hateful beings.  (There are three of them, btw--each of whom I encountered in the business world.  And all three of them have tried, in turn, to grossly pilfer the fruits of my creativity in teaching my three specialties--Tai Chi Chuan, 3 styles of kung fu, and 2 traditions of Qigong. )  

 

(3.)   I will not go until great detail here, but in 1992, I received a dream visitation by Master Share K. Lew at some distance (San Diego to L.A.)--or rather, I received a visit from an entity sent from the Master Lew's altar, which I responded to immediately.  When I told GM Doo Wai about this visitation about 2 years later, he confirmed the dream was a communique from "one of Share Lew's little friends"--and provided the context.   For those of you practice western hermetic philosophy and use the Crowley Tarot deck, if you are wise enough to channel The Heirophant, (5th major arcana), you may also figured out how to invoke the Heirophant's helpers (that are depicted in the 4 corners of the card) to further your Work.   https://es.pinterest.com/pin/43628690133315963/

 

(4.)   "Healing is the most important thing," said GM Doo Wai to me at the end of a session in 1992 when he had me record on video the 24 Monk Serves Wine seated meditations. Given the deep jhanic absorption that the basic FP Qigong exercises almost instantly snaps one into, and how quickly regular practice builds a reserve of the FP Healing Qi in the body, it is a matter of course that using the cultivated FP Healing Qi for healing purposes takes on a spiritual dimension.  Whenever I witnessed GMDW do an energy-healing, I always saw a visible, dense and darkish column of energy rise from the back of each  hand straight up infinitely into the Above. This is the Flying Phoenix "trunk" of Qi that GMDW said one could always "join" or tap in to when one was using the FP Healing Qi to do healing.  (When you feel totally inflamed with this FP Healing Qi, then your healing will have instant positive effect on your subject.)  On one particular healing occasion in 1994, the most powerful yogin I know (across all traditions) saw this FP energy "trunk" alongside me and said he had never seen a spiritual channel so strong behind any healer he had ever seen.  Thus I was not surprised in the least that in the 1960's, GM Doo Wai reputation as a great healer and herbalist came to the attention of the English cognoscenti in Hong Kong, who then thoroughly vetted him, and brought GM Doo Wai back to the U.K. to work on Queen Elizabeth II and her court.  (As I posted here in the past, I saw GM Doo Wai's scrapbook that contained 6 thank you notes addressed to him from Ladies in Waiting in Queen Elizabeth's court.)

 

(5.)  A more recent visitation came to me via one of my long-term Tai Chi and Qigong students in California, initials "M.C.", who is very psychic and a very clear medium.  (M.C.'s psychism began to expand when she began learning Tai Chi from me in 1996.  But when I started teaching FP Qigong, MC's psychic powers went through the roof as the healing of life-long chronic diseases accelerated).  For several years from 2013 to 2017, MC was the medium or messenger who delivered guidance to me from a female Taoist entity, who emerged from behind giant wooden doors, gave M.C. a message to give to me, and then returned to behind the gates.)

This spirit never appeared directly to me, but would provide guidance for me to M.C. in dreamstate.  I found this at first to be quite quirky and unusual.  But every message delivered was crystal-clear, precisely relevant, and absolutely helpful to the work or battle I had going on at the time.  Now 10 years later, I see this Dream Wisdom coming from a divinity to me through my most dedicated student as just another form that my great good blessings have taken in this lifetime.

 

Further to the spiritual dimension of healing with FP Qi in #4 above:   sometime on this forum, I hope to hear accounts from FP Practitioners doing healing work with their cultivated energy skills who are unexpectedly assisted by spiritual allies when the going gets tough.  FP Qigong is a purely healing or medical Qigong tradition.  Use it consistently in your work as healers and you may be surprised and awed by the help that comes to you when you need it.

 

Best,

 

Sifu Terry

 

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12 hours ago, zen-bear said:

(4.)   "Healing is the most important thing," said GM Doo Wai to me at the end of a session in 1992 when he had me record on video the 24 Monk Serves Wine seated meditations. Given the deep jhanic absorption that the basic FP Qigong exercises almost instantly snaps one into, and how quickly regular practice builds a reserve of the FP Healing Qi in the body, it is a matter of course that using the cultivated FP Healing Qi for healing purposes takes on a spiritual dimension.  Whenever I witnessed GMDW do an energy-healing, I always saw a visible, dense and darkish column of energy rise from the back of each  hand straight up infinitely into the Above. This is the Flying Phoenix "trunk" of Qi that GMDW said one could always "join" or tap in to when one was using the FP Healing Qi to do healing.  (When you feel totally inflamed with this FP Healing Qi, then your healing will have instant positive effect on your subject.)  On one particular healing occasion in 1994, the most powerful yogin I know (across all traditions) saw this FP energy "trunk" alongside me and said he had never seen a spiritual channel so strong behind any healer he had ever seen.  Thus I was not surprised in the least that in the 1960's, GM Doo Wai reputation as a great healer and herbalist came to the attention of the English cognoscenti in Hong Kong, who then thoroughly vetted him, and brought GM Doo Wai back to the U.K. to work on Queen Elizabeth II and her court.  (As I posted here in the past, I saw GM Doo Wai's scrapbook that contained 6 thank you notes addressed to him from Ladies in Waiting in Queen Elizabeth's court.)


Funny, I’m reading the book “The Art of Chi Kung” by Master Wong Kiew Kit right now and there was a quote by the current King of England:

 

 

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On 18/10/2024 at 1:29 PM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Funny, I’m reading the book “The Art of Chi Kung” by Master Wong Kiew Kit right now and there was a quote by the current King of England:


He was very involved with Laurens Jan van der Post (who was interested in a.o. the Kalahari Bushmen).
 

 

 

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