Flying Phoenix Chi Kung

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32 minutes ago, Boreas said:

I went to several with different specialties but nothing came up...

Still, thanks for your kind words 😇

Sorry to hear that. Maybe Sifu Terry can give you some advice.

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Actually @Boreas try this out. Only focus on doing Monk Gazing at Moon, Monk Holds Peach, and Monk Holds Pearl and Bending the Bows.

Do all the Monk exercises for at least 10 minutes. Monk Holds Pearl can also be done seated and lying down so do that any and every chance you can, when you are on the bus or train, or before you sleep etc.

 

Bending the Bows you can start doing just once a week to begin with (on weekend) but you must do 18 reps.

 

Try that out for the next month and let us know how it goes.

[zen-bear]

On 2/20/2025 at 11:57 AM, Boreas said:

Thanks a lot for your long answer!

 

1) Already something here, I always have something like 30 minutes to an hour maximum between my morning session of FPCK and working on my voice...

For the rest, except maybe 2 or 3 days, I managed to practice between 45 minutes and 1h in the morning (Vol. 1+ last MSW from Vol.2 some days) and a rotation between meditations from rest of Vol.2 in the evening (more or less 45 minutes)

 

Regarding aerobic exercise, I walk everyday, go for a 5k three times a week and do some calisthenics at least 2 times a week.

 

2) As said above, I tend to practice almost everyday BTB but never to the point of doing it 18 times, I must say.

 

3) As I'm not seeing a lot from first two volumes, I thought that it wouldn't be useful to go further and learn new forms but I can definitely try it!

 

4) Sadly, as I'm living abroad, time of the Zoom classes don't work for me

 

5) Thanks for the informations regarding private sessions. I'll keep them in mind if this troubleshooting doesn't produce results

 

And regarding your question about how long I've been singing classically, about 15 years now. On one side, breath and muscles attached to it are indeed quite strong but I wouldn't say that I'm in some satori while singing... I'm focused on the present moment but don't think there's sense of "high" in it.

 

Thanks again for all your insights and I'll give this another shot!

 

Hello Boreas,

 

You're welcome.  I'm glad to hear that you've been practicing FP Qigong so regularly.

Thanks for sharing the amount of aerobic exercise that you have in what sounds like a pretty healthy and well-balanced lifestyle.

 

Good that you're practicing BTB every day while doing (Vol. 1+ last MSW from Vol.2 some days).

But sorry to hear that the time zone difference doesn't allow you to participate in my Zoom classes.

 

My further suggestions:

1.)   Perhaps once a week or once in a longer while, make extra time and do a set of 18 rounds of BTB.  Or if time is limited and doesn't permit inclusion of the other standing FP meditations, just dedicate one of your practice sessions to just doing BTB, one other stationary standing Meditation, plus your favorite seated meditation.

Question:  Because you're doing the last MSW med. on Volume 2 (90 80 50 20) every morning,  have you discovered yet that it lives up to its nickname, "the Waker-upper"?

 

2.)   As I'm not seeing a lot from first two volumes, I thought that it wouldn't be useful to go further and learn new forms but I can definitely try it!
• Yes, try doing the moving meditations, Wind Through Treetops and Moonbeam Splashes On Water on Volume 3.

 

3.)   I make this suggestion with the same yogic intuition that had me suggest that you try Vol.3:   

Since you've been  practicing Vols. 1 and 2  regularly:  If you're not feeling any energy effects from the seated MSW meds. on Volume 2, instead of doing the last meditation on Vol.2, try the 5 seated MSW Meditations on Volume 7, one at a time, in the order they are presented.  And add one of them to your daily practice.   They are more advanced meditations; four of the five on Vol. 7  are more complex in choreography--and thus are  longer meditations---than the Vol.2  MSW meds.  But these Vol.7 MSW meds. are very beautiful and more powerful than the preceding ones.  

 

4.)  I also second Pak Satrio's recommendation to concentrate on basic standing FP Meds.:  Monk Gazing At Moon, Monk Holding Peach, and Monk holding Pearl.  Together they form one pillar of FP Qigong.  Bending the Bows forms another pillar.

 

 Good luck and keep us abreast of your progress.

 

Regards,

 

Sifu Terry

 

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[zen-bear]

ATTENTION ALL FP PRACTIONERS:

 

NEW BASIC QIGONG CLASS COMBINING TAOIST ELIXIR METHOD 31 MEDITATIONS + FLYING PHOENIX QIGONG BEGINS TODAY, 2:00 - 3:30PM EST -- AND CONTINUES EVERY SATURDAY.

 

My basic Qigong class called "Qigong For Health For 1st Responders" begins today, Saturday, 2-3:00pm at the Lenox Yoga Studio at 52 Housatonic Street, Lenox, MA. It is Zoomable, of course.

 

This class teaches two authentic ancient Taoist monastic systems of Qigong that impart tangible, visible, repeatable, and verifiable health benefits on the way to self-empowerment. Although these two Qigong systems, Tao Tan Pai 31 Basic Meditations and  Flying Phoenix Qigong ("Fei Feng San Gung") are as different as night and day in terms of yogic methodology,they are not only compatible with one another, but also synergistic.   (Because I am the sole living preserver of Flying Phoenix Qigong, you will not find this combination class anywhere else on the planet.)

 

This class provides the opportunity for current FP Qigong practitioners to get into a virtual class environment, get form corrections from me and, to get answers to any training questions they might have.  It is also a rare opportunity to learn the Tao Tan Pai (Taoist Elixir Method) Basic 31 Meditations, which I have described throughout the years of this thread as being not only compatible with FP Qigong, but foundationally catalyzing and accelerating of the healing and restorative effects of FP Qigong.  All my students since 1992 and all my acupuncture college students at Emperors College can attest to the profound alchemic effect that TTP-31 has on FP Qigong practice.

 

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I look forward to working with you and moving you forward in your practice.

 

Sifu Terry

 

 

 

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Edited February 24 by zen-bear

[daobro]

On 2/15/2025 at 2:11 PM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Just had a private lesson with Sifu Terry to go over my Long Form, quite a few corrections needed! I would encourage everyone to do a private lesson with him to make corrections (and learn new things!) and undo bad habits you might have picked up, at the very least once every few months to make sure you are practicing correctly.

 

Just doing those tiny, subtle corrections made me feel more energy flow through my body during the lesson and even more when I did Long Form by myself after class!

 

Hope everyone’s practice is going well!

 

I can attest to the same thing with Moonbeam Splashes on Water. Got a few subtle corrections in a private lesson and it made a huge difference.

Edited March 2 by daobro

[Chirising]

I know that the volumes aren’t available for streaming out of fear of piracy. I was wondering if that could be mitigated by having the buyers name watermarked on the video?

 

Those of us in EU have to pay double for the DVD’s because of import duties. It’s still doable, but it just seems like money thrown in the wrong direction.

[zen-bear]

On 3/3/2025 at 12:00 PM, Chirising said:

I know that the volumes aren’t available for streaming out of fear of piracy. I was wondering if that could be mitigated by having the buyers name watermarked on the video?

 

Those of us in EU have to pay double for the DVD’s because of import duties. It’s still doable, but it just seems like money thrown in the wrong direction.

Hello Chirising,

I know that the import duties charged by most European countries can get quite steep.  
 

 I was wondering if that could be mitigated by having the buyers name watermarked on the video?

Unfortunately, I putting the buyer's name in a "watermark" on each video title would be quite impossible/prohibitively time-consuming.

In the 90's and aughts, I used a very expensive first-generation Avid video editing system to cut the CKFH DVD series..  Since  about 2016, I've been using Adobe Premiere to edit my Youtube videos and future DVD titles.  As far as I know, there is no rapid means to put a watermark on every frame of each volume of the CKFH programs;  it requires some real-time editing and then requires spending  more time to render the new watermarked footage.  And to do this for every customer who wants to buy a digital file would require me to hire an assistant editor.  

 

Actually, I am in the process of building a subscription-based streaming platform (that will probably use the Vimeo format) that will give access to all the CKFH DVD titles at reasonable cost.  However, the video resolution of the streamed content won't be as high as that of a DVD played on a disc drive.  This streaming platform won't go online until the latter half of this year to do huge pressing obligations I have to prepare to teach my 3 specialties at a top American university and its School of Public Health.

 

The physical distance between  U.S. and Europe and each European country's import duties do create added expense--and especially now and in the future with the moronic, Russian-owned US president stupidly starting trade wars with all of America's trading partners with his tariffs, including China.   But given the verifiable restorative power of this authentic and intact Taoist monastic system of  Qigong that will serve one for a lifetime (ask ridingtheox and others who posted in the early years of this thread) ---plus the programs' exceptionally high production values (all filmed on location in Death Valley, CA and shot by my friend the cinematographer Mike Hoover, who has 14 Emmy's [mostly for hard news] and 2 Academy Awards for documentaries), and scored by music professor Robert Scott Thompson (regarded in the U.S. starting in the 90's as "the king of ambient music", most viewers and reviewers have said that there is nothing like the CKFH DVD series on the qigong/ yoga market in terms of quality.

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

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Edited March 12 by zen-bear

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7 hours ago, zen-bear said:

Actually, I am in the process of building a subscription-based streaming platform (that will probably use the Vimeo format) that will give access to all the CKFH DVD titles at reasonable cost.  However, the video resolution of the streamed content won't be as high as that of a DVD played on a disc drive.  This streaming platform won't go online until the latter half of this year to do huge pressing obligations I have to prepare to teach my 3 specialties at a top American university and its School of Public Health.

This is amazing news!

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Did anyone do Monk Gazing At Moon with the full moon last night?

 

There was a nice clear sky in London for once so I had a nice session

[Antares]

On 15.03.2025 at 4:37 PM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Did anyone do Monk Gazing At Moon with the full moon last night?

 

I did 5 60.... in forest under blue sky. After I have it done I rubbed palms and put them on closed eyes and there was bluish light inside my head. Sunlight seems to magnify FP energy for I did not have this effect when did 5 60... in room.

 

Interesting if MHPearl can be done in horse stance. Garry says the same meditation in SYG can be done in horse stance. Also I read on the forum he did some sort of horse for one hour but not sure which one. Also in SYG they do this one seated version before standing version of it so interesting to experiment how it would work if to do Pearl  one after the other one.

[Antares]

I am not sure we need Moon for MGM progress. My opinion is that moon has more symbolic meaning here. We have yin (nature) and yang (life) and symbolically this is moon and sun. MGM seems to be xing strengthening mediation but nature of xing is light. Ordinary person' Xing has more yin quality and symbolically can be associated more with moon, so it depends how much MIng (life) one has.

   

[zen-bear]

On 3/15/2025 at 9:37 AM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

Did anyone do Monk Gazing At Moon with the full moon last night?

 

There was a nice clear sky in London for once so I had a nice session

 

Last Friday the 14th, I recovered from my first day of moving furniture and belongings almost single-handedly from old my abode into a new one 12 mi. away--by doing Monk Gazing At the Moon in the moonlight after doing the Capstone Long From 2x, and then doing 3 of the advanced Monk Serves Wine seated meditations (on Vol.7).   In total, I spent 3.5 days moving, finally completing the laborious task yesterday at about 5pm (--while getting only 5.5 - 6 hours of sleep on each of those 3 nights.)   Of course, over those 3.5 days, I did what I always do in the mornings:  Tao Tan Pai 5 Dragons Meditation (will be discussed in the Taoist Elixir Method Kung Fu thread);  the TTP Dragon kung fu form;  the Bok Fu Pai Kung Fu System's "Eagle Claw 10-Hook Attack Form";  my 4 favorite "8 Sections Combined" forms:  Sections 3, 4, 5 and 8. 

 

This is the FP practice regimen that I used last  night to fully recover---and feel 100% today from the moment I woke up:

1.)  FP Standing Long Form (vol.4) -- two times, back to back. -- 30 min.
2.)  Monk Gazing At the Moon while gazing at the moon and having my entire body illuminated by the moon's light - 14 minutes.

3.)  The third advanced MSW seated meditation on Vol. 7  (70 50 20 10)  -- 15 min.

4.)  The fourth advanced MSW med. on Vol. 7  (70 60 40 5) - 10 min.  

5.)   The first Adv. MSW med. on Vol. 7 (50 20 10) --aka, "the Sleeper" - l4 min.  (holding the last 5 postures (mudras) for 10 breathes each).

 

For best results, take a hint:  spend the equivalent amount of time outlined above--i.e., 83 minutes-- on your personal FP Qigong practice, however you compose it.

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

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[zen-bear]

On 3/17/2025 at 12:50 AM, Antares said:

 

I did 5 60.... in forest under blue sky. After I have it done I rubbed palms and put them on closed eyes and there was bluish light inside my head. Sunlight seems to magnify FP energy for I did not have this effect when did 5 60... in room.

 

Interesting if MHPearl can be done in horse stance. Garry says the same meditation in SYG can be done in horse stance. Also I read on the forum he did some sort of horse for one hour but not sure which one. Also in SYG they do this one seated version before standing version of it so interesting to experiment how it would work if to do Pearl  one after the other one.

Hello Antares,

 

Which FP med. are you referring to when you said, "I did 5 60..."?

Nice that you saw the blueish light inside your head.  Because I'm very "visual" in how I interpret and represent my experience, I see a very bright, flourescent sky blue light saturate the inside of my eyelids and then fill my head.  

 

...so interesting to experiment how it would work if to do Pearl  one after the other one.

 • If you want best results from FP Qigong in terms of healing and restoration, do MGMoon in the shoulder-width stance as taught on the DVD.  Master Monk Holding Pearl, MHPeach, and Monk Gazing At Moon first, and especially Bending the Bows and Wind Above the Clouds  on Volume 1.  Then you can experiment with variations in stance for MHPearl.

 

But there's actually no need to "experiment."  Within the FP Qigong system, the Monk Holding Pearl mudra IS done in the 2-shoulders' width horse stance.  It's done in the fifth posture of "Moonbeam Splashes On Water" and it is done again in the very last posture.   And this ending posture can be held for minutes on end until one takes the 3 closing breathes.  The Monk Holding Pearl posture done in the horse stance occurs again in the fifth posture of the FPHHCM Long Form Capstone Meditation ( Volume 4).

 

If and when you experiment, by doing Monk Holding Pearl in a wider and deep horse stance for long periods of time--i.e, upwards of 15 minutes, you will find that it will  cause  lower body, back and shoulder/upper arm tension in beginners, and will snaps you into martial mode--if you have had any previous kung fu experience.  The classical horse stance is used in practically ALL KUNG FU systems that ever came out of China.

In the Advanced Flying Phoenix Qigong (9 Standing moving meds.), a wider 2-shoulder width stance is used in all except two of the meditations..  BUT this Advanced FP sub-system it is NOT a purely healing Qigong like the level I presented in the DVD series.  The Qi that it  cultivates is both healing and "athletic/martial" in nature.  

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

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Edited March 21 by zen-bear

[zen-bear]

18 hours ago, Antares said:

I am not sure we need Moon for MGM progress. My opinion is that moon has more symbolic meaning here. We have yin (nature) and yang (life) and symbolically this is moon and sun. MGM seems to be xing strengthening mediation but nature of xing is light. Ordinary person' Xing has more yin quality and symbolically can be associated more with moon, so it depends how much MIng (life) one has.

   

Antares,

 

You are purely speculating about the symbolic meaning vs. literal meaning of "Moon" in the name "Monk Gazing At Moon"--without having any direct FP Qigong teachings from GM Doo Wai or from his senior students such as myself.  Plus you are imposing other irrlevant semantics with your belief of what "xing strengthening meditation" is and then saying relatedly that "nature of xing is light."
What Chinese character are you referring to when you say "xing"??   Which one of the four tones in Chinese is used in pronouncing the "xing" that you mean?    (4 tones means 4 different meanigs.)    I take that romanization "xing"  to have its most widely used meaning:  the shape-form of the body, as in Xing-I Boxing.

 

MGM seems to be xing strengthening mediation but nature of xing is light. Ordinary person' Xing has more yin quality and symbolically can be associated more with moon, so it depends how much MIng (life) one has.

• Besides not know what on earth you are trying to say here, I do know that it is 100% IRRELEVANT to the practice of FP Qigong.  As I've told every student who's attended a live class or workshop with me since 1992, leave ALL YOUR BELIEFS about other styles and methods  of Qigong and Yoga at the door when you practice FP Qigong.   You do NOT need to believe in anything to benefit from FP Qigong.  You just do the posture and do associated percentage breath-control formula correctly...and the Flying Phoenix of Feng Do Duk will teach you what you need to know.

 

I am not sure we need Moon for MGM progress.  
Please do NOT guess.  I have stated on this thread in the past that FP Qigong does NOT utilize any principles of Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) or its set theory as a map --i.e., no need to meridians, hours of the meridians,  law of noonday-midnight.  None of that  is necessary or relevant to make FP Qigong work or to understand how it works.  I did explain on this thread--and I shall repeat it here:

that the FP Qigong system--along with all the other Ehrmei Mtn. Bok Fu Pai internal energy arts DO RELY on the position of the sun and the moon.  Being aware of where the sun and/or the moon are in the sky is extremely important in the advanced practice of FP Qigong and all Bok Fu Pai energy arts, including its deadliest arts.   So for beginners, just follow what GM Doo Wai taught:   

 

         Practice Monk Gazing At Moon while gazing at the moon in the night sky.

••>  And as I advised at various points in this thread, practice when the Moon is low on the horizon so you don't have to crane your head upwards and bend your neck to look at it.

 

FP Qigong is totally self-explanatory.  All you have to do is practice enough.

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

https://www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

terencedunn.substack.com

 

 

 

Edited March 19 by zen-bear

[Antares]

4 hours ago, zen-bear said:

Which FP med. are you referring to when you said, "I did 5 60..."?

 

Hello, Sifu Terry. I refer to 5 60 80 40 30.

 

4 hours ago, zen-bear said:

Master Monk Gazing At Moon first, as well as Bending the Bows and the other 3 standing meds. on Volume 1.  Then you can experiment.

 

I meant that seated and standing MHPearl can be done one after the other [may be] referring to how sifu Garry represents SYG versions of these meditations which are very similar to MHPearl meditations but have their own breath %. So can you recommend doing seated and standing MHPearl meditations one after the other?

Also I did not mean that I going to do MGM in horse stance but according to sifu Garry he does SYG variation of MHPearl meditation in horse stance [as variation of how it can be done in level 1 of Sunn Yee Gong system]. I dont think that SYG level1 has more martial intent than FP level 1 meditations. But may be I am wrong about it of course.

 

5 hours ago, zen-bear said:

deep horse stance (feet 2 shoulders' widths apart)  causes  lower body, back and shoulder/upper arm tension in beginners, and automatically snaps you into martial mode. 

 

Yes, I agree it causes some tensions in the body but in my opinion this does not mean that horse stance has only martial intent. But it can help to open leg channels and to get better connection to Earth if to do it in wider stance than shoulder width stance. But I understand now you dont recommend to do MHPearl meditation this way.    

Thank you for reply

[Antares]

5 hours ago, zen-bear said:

What Chinese character are you referring to when you say "xing"??   Which one of the four tones in Chinese is used in pronouncing the "xing" that you mean?    (4 tones means 4 different meanigs.)    I take that romanization "xing"  to have its most widely used meaning:  the shape-form of the body, as in Xing-I Boxing.

Xing =  yuan shen = original spirit = innate nature

 

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The Taoist Monk Fung Doe Duk's Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Meditations is supposed to be the key that unlocks the energy within our body and subconsciously activates our inner mind to generate and balance the positive energy within our own body. The result is an illness free body with healthy, balanced, positive energy that enables its practitioners to use that energy to heal others. The Goddess informed the Monk that the meditations were sacred Heavenly meditations and that he was to be very selective of whom he was to teach them.

https://tibetan.tripod.com/ch-phoen.htm

That what I mean by Xing strengthening - activation of our inner mind

 

[tao stillness]

There was a Greyhound Bus commercial in America that said, "Take the bus and leave the driving to us!".

So just do the Flying Phoenix Qigong postures and give your overthinking left-brain hemisphere a rest. Enjoy the ride. 

[johndoe2012]

21 hours ago, tao stillness said:

There was a Greyhound Bus commercial in America that said, "Take the bus and leave the driving to us!".

So just do the Flying Phoenix Qigong postures and give your overthinking left-brain hemisphere a rest. Enjoy the ride. 

 

Sometimes thinking can be useful. 

 

Eg today I was irritated, then did bending the bows to bring fire from the heart to ldt, if you understand FP as a alchemical method. And it worked. 

 

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1 hour ago, johndoe2012 said:

 

Sometimes thinking can be useful. 

 

Eg today I was irritated, then did bending the bows to bring fire from the heart to ldt, if you understand FP as a alchemical method. And it worked. 

 

This makes a lot of sense, I never thought of doing that. I’ll try it out!

[Antares]

2 hours ago, johndoe2012 said:

if you understand FP as a alchemical method. And it worked. 

It is based on daoist principles from what I can see. GMDW wrote in his article:

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The two fundamental terms in which the Chinese have understood the natural world are "Yin" and "Yang." Thinking in Yin/Yang terms means analyzing the universe into pairs of fluidly interacting opposites, such as shadows and bright, decaying and growing, moonlit and sunlit, cold and hot, earthly and heavenly, or female and male. Whether a thing is classified as Yin or Yang depends not on its intrinsic nature but on the role it plays in relation to other things. In relation to Heaven, man may be classified as Yin, but when paired with Earth, he would be seen as Yang. Heaven itself is the supreme embodiment of the Yang aspects of the cosmos; Earth is seen as deeply Yin.

All modern people have excessive "heart-mind" fire which is "false fire". MGM meditation helps to put out this fire and make it more Yin in nature. BTB is based on fire down water up principle. Also 50 30 10 helps to bring fire down. Today did these meds in forest and feel much more serene and more joy.

And yes, physical moon helps to collect more Yin energy what helps to remove excessive fire.

[Boreas]

Hi everyone,

 

Sadly had a few tough weeks and I had to draw back on basically everything (from qigong practice to sport)...

 

On another side, I met a new acupuncturist a few days ago (one that apparently studied directly in China) and he told me that for him, I was checking the box for the beginning of a deviation and that I should avoid qigong practices for the time being.

From what I read in this thread, FPCK doesn't follow TCM rules so, can I still continue to practice or better put it aside and wait that everything is back into place before starting again? 

 

Thanks and wishing everyone a nice end of week 😇

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2 hours ago, Boreas said:

Hi everyone,

 

Sadly had a few tough weeks and I had to draw back on basically everything (from qigong practice to sport)...

 

On another side, I met a new acupuncturist a few days ago (one that apparently studied directly in China) and he told me that for him, I was checking the box for the beginning of a deviation and that I should avoid qigong practices for the time being.

From what I read in this thread, FPCK doesn't follow TCM rules so, can I still continue to practice or better put it aside and wait that everything is back into place before starting again? 

 

Thanks and wishing everyone a nice end of week 😇

I find that the qi that we cultivate in FP is much different than qi from other qigong systems, so you should be fine.

 

Are you practicing any other qigong apart from FP?

[zen-bear]

On 3/19/2025 at 6:30 AM, Antares said:

Xing =  yuan shen = original spirit = innate nature

 

https://tibetan.tripod.com/ch-phoen.htm

That what I mean by Xing strengthening - activation of our inner mind

 

Antares,

 

The Chinese term you've defined as "yuan shen = original spirit" does not have a functional role in the practice of FP Qigong.  After you've experienced the salient health and spiritual benefits of FP Qigong, you can philosophize and celebrate the sublime restorative and "spiritually calibrating" (my coinage) effects of long-term FP Qigong practice any way you like.  As I've told all my student in both Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung (created in the Tang Dynasty ad correctly attributable to Taoist Immortal Lu Tung Pin [and I will be proving it to academia soon]) and in FP Qigong, once you practice either one or both of these arts correctly, you can go out and write your own Tao Te Ching!!

GM Doo Wai never mentioned "yuan shen" in all the years that I trained with him--in any context.  Not in the context of FP Qigong or any of the other Ehmei Mtn. Bok Fu Pai internal energy arts.   Yes, it does means "original spirit."  The primordial spirit that one is born with that is constant and unalterable. 

But there are definitions like this floating around on the internet --parts of which that I happen to STRONGLY disagree with:

"The concept of Yuan Shen is the primordial original spirit that you are born with, and it is the foundational core personality unaffected by the experiences of life. It is the essence of our being and the source of our vitality, which is deeply related to the concept of returning to the source."

I strong disagree with the first phrase in bold.  Because this hokey definition complete negates the concept of karmic evolution and growth, as any Buddhist initiate will tell you.

"Essence of our being and source of our vitality"--yes that is the most commonly held meaning for yuan shen by Taoists.  But I think that it is so general to be almost meaningless--unless you provide a specific context.  Yuan shen as essence of one's existence.  But the "source of vitality" varies from one Taoist or Buddhist tradition--or even Hindu tradition--to another.
For example, in the Tao Tan Pai ("Taoist Elixir Method"--aka, the "Golden Elixir School") tradition that is correctly attributed to Taoist Immortal Lu Tung Pin (Lu Dengbin), the patron saint's most spoken and written "source of vitality" is "the Circulation of the Light"aka, the Microcosmic Orbit as he outlined in "Secret of the Golden Flower."  And beyond health, enlightenment, and immortality, Lu Tung Pin's most transcendent and most powerful alchemic potential realized is what happens when "

 

Yuan Shen as the source of our vitality?   Yet it was  never mentioned once by GM Doo Wai in all the years I trained with him starting  in 1991.

 

There are numerous sects of Taoism and the concept of yuan shen is used to varying degrees from one to the next.

It's a nice term to have in one's holistic otr spiritual vocabulary.  But, again, it has no pivotal role in the practice of the Ehrmei Mtn. Bok Fu Pai internal arts.

 

Another example of yuan shen never being mentioned by high masters:   in the 45 years that I have studied Yang Tai Chi Chuan in the Cheng Man-ching lineage, not one of my teachers--the late General Abraham Liu, the late Master Benjamin Lo, nor my current teacher the great Grandmaster William C.C. Chen ever mentioned yuan shen. 

I (on my own), however, did come to experience and realize through my mind-body ("Xin") (--not xing) the universal truth and meaning of the very first passage of the Tai Chi Classics:   

"Tai Chi comes from Wuchi and is the Mother of Heaven and Earth;  In movement it separates, in stillness it fuses (congeals)."

And that experience that occurred in 1984 and transformed me forever.  And has kept me on the Tai Chi Chuan path.  I felt like I was struck--not really "struck,"  but suddenly inhabited and filled 100% by a bolt of soft lightning.  My entire body was electric and comfortably fluid and not hot in temperature.  And at first, I did not know how to move my body in that state.  Then I learned how to use my shen and will myself to move in that state--which brought into play the precise teachings of Master Ben Lo that I heard over and over and over again in his summer retreats in La Honda, CA:                               "The minds moves the Chi;  the Chi moves the body."   

• If you master Tai Chi Chuan and attain this ability,  "The mind moves the Chi; the Chi moves the body and the environment...", then you will also come closer to knowing the meaning of "yuan shen."

Finally, that passage that you quoted that begins with, "The two fundamental terms... "  was NOT written by Grandmaster Doo Wai !!  He does not speak like that nor does he write like that.
That passage is from an article written by a David Sorenson on a website called "tibetan.tripod.com" that was created by the Hudlin Brothersº--who I had introduced to GM Doo Wai around 1993  and brought into the learning circle in L.A. (that I created around GM Doo Wai in 1990). 

 

"The Taoist Monk Fung Doe Duk's Flying Phoenix Heavenly Healing Meditations is supposed to be the key that unlocks the energy within our body and subconsciously activates our inner mind to generate and balance the positive energy within our own body. The result is an illness free body with healthy, balanced, positive energy that enables its practitioners to use that energy to heal others. The Goddess informed the Monk that the meditations were sacred Heavenly meditations and that he was to be very selective of whom he was to teach them."

 

This paragraph is generally accurate.  And it sounds like a translation of GM Doo Wai's semi-broken English.   But it does not explain in any insightful manner how--

"The Flying Phoenix Qigong 'pushes the brain back' (as GMDW slowly moving his right index finger over his head from the hairline back towards the crown) and activates the body's self-healing faculties." 

                                                                      --Grandmaster Doo Wai, 1991

(--which I happen to have recorded on SVHS video when he was teaching me the advanced Monk Serves Wine Meditations.  I may finally post this video sometime in the future.)

 

Bottom line:  be careful not to use terminology that you read about that is NOT grounded and based in  your direct yogic experience of practicing FP Qigong.  Because as we learned by the early 1980's after we had been practicing the Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung for about 10 years under  GM Share K. Lew' personal supervision:   

                                               "The only real truth is the experienced truth."

 

     (Hence, the similarly minded Bruce Lee advised:  "Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear."

 

The semantic map (language) that one uses must precisely match the yogic territory (experience) that one wants to talk about.  Using the wrong map--such  as "xing" meaning "inner mind" that is activated by Qigong...  only breeds confusion and wastes time.

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

P.S.  btw, that website from where you excerpted the passage from the David Sorenson article about Feng Do Duk and the spiritual gifting of FP Qigong, etc. was created in the late 90's by the Hudlin Brothers, who were old friends of mine from my college and grad school years whom I later introduced to GM Doo Wai in 1993, and invited into the learning circle of instructors that I had created around GM Doo Wai in 1990.  Well, by 1997, one of the students I had invited into the training circle played GM Doo Wai in such a debasing, Hollywood-like manner that the spirit of GM Doo Wai's teachings completely changed, and the window of learning that I had created around GM Doo Wai closed.  I departed without a word.  And the person who caused this window of transmission of sacred knowledge to be closed prematurely--by 20 years, per my estimation-- has had a karmic debt to bear ever since.  The fact that all the other links on this old and unattended website, tibetan.tripod, are dead should tell you something about the  seriousness and discipline of its keepers.  Still the Sorenson article about FP Qigong is not all that bad.  I give a grade of "B-" (also for its bad grammar).

 

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Edited Wednesday at 03:27 AM by zen-bear

[Boreas]

3 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

I find that the qi that we cultivate in FP is much different than qi from other qigong systems, so you should be fine.

 

Are you practicing any other qigong apart from FP?

Well, as I mentionned I think in one of my first post on this thread, I came to qigong via Anthony Korahais’ Flowing Zen Qigong (that is basically a rebranding of Wong Kiew Kit’s Shaolin Cosmos Qigong) and I got into the habit of starting my day with a short session of 15 minutes of it before getting into my FPCK morning routine.

 

Could it come from there...?

[zen-bear]

Antares.

 

You wrote:

15 hours ago, Boreas said:

Hi everyone,

 

Sadly had a few tough weeks and I had to draw back on basically everything (from qigong practice to sport)...

 

On another side, I met a new acupuncturist a few days ago (one that apparently studied directly in China) and he told me that for him, I was checking the box for the beginning of a deviation and that I should avoid qigong practices for the time being.

From what I read in this thread, FPCK doesn't follow TCM rules so, can I still continue to practice or better put it aside and wait that everything is back into place before starting again? 

 

Thanks and wishing everyone a nice end of week 😇

Hi Boreas,

 

I don't quite understand what your acupuncturist had diagnosed you as having when you wrote:   "I was checking the box for the beginning of a deviation..."

Where is the "deviation"?  In what part of the body?

• What presenting problem or type of pain(s) do you have that caused you to seek treatment from an acupuncturist?

 

Unless you are having symptoms that prevent you from doing the FPCK breathing formulas and/or that make assuming the basic postures such as  Monk Holding Pearl, MHPeach, and Monk Gazing At Moon painful, then hold back from practice.  But FP Qigong is  so mild, so restorative and stress-dissipating that you can continue practicing it so long as you are feeling its calming, energizing, and  rejuvenating effects.   And should any of the standing FP Meditations become difficult or painful, then practice the seated Monk Serves wine seated Meds. in Volumes 2 and 7.

 

Remember:  I was vetted and cleared by the I.R.B. of Cedars-Sinai Medical center in L.A. in 1999-2000 to write the first in-hospital Qigong protocol in American medical history for the Dept. of Cardio-Thoracic Surgery to accelerate the recover of acute-care pot-operative patients (who had major heart, lung and back surgeries...having their chests replumbed.).  This content of first of its kind protocol was 80% FP Qigong.

 

Good luck.

 

Sifu Terry

 

 

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Edited March 21 by zen-bear