Flying Phoenix Chi Kung

[Vajra Fist]

As a buddhist, I would say that all the merit we accumulate from meditation and qigong is transformed into material rewards in the next life. As long as you have karma, even if it's only as light as a grain of sand, you will be trapped in samsara.

 

If you're not reborn as a diva, you can end up rich and not giving a damn about anyone in the next life, creating more karma. Then in the life after that you're in an even worse state than you are now. So it cycles on and on.

 

I think now that you have the good fortune to find a means of liberation, you should make every effort to succeed in this life. Or else make a vow to dedicate all your accumulated merits to be reborn in the Pure Land for further cultivation.

 

Of course though, no one knows what happens after death. We either trust the words of realised cultivators from the past, or we wait for our own experience.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Vajra Fist

[BluePhoenix133]

So im obligated to give a damn about people, cant i just go be alone and meditate in a cave until i turn into a rainbow? I dont see why i have to make some vow to liberate all sentient beings to become free myself, or is that not what you meant.

[Aeran]

I have enough to worry about in this lifetime, thanks  I'll worry about the next if and when I get there.

Edited April 2, 2017 by Aeran

[DSCB57]

Phil 48 made a good point regarding what he said about the FPQ shengong energy (not what he actually said, but my interpretation of the meaning). I have another question related to that: In other traditions claiming to be Celestial cultivation schools, the energetic aura manifestation (blue in BFP/FPQ) is sometimes described as a spiritual seal or energetic signature (my description) which is recognized and honoured by spiritual entities, Immortals etc., who will then be more disposed toward teaching or otherwise helping the initiate. 

My first question is whether this is the actual case in FPQ, or is this blue aura manifestation simply a boosting of the 'etheric' field of a practitioner, or something similar?

My second question is - if in fact it is a sort of spiritual seal, does this remain with the practitioner from one lifetime to the next, thereby allowing them to be recognized and easily renew their spiritual practices with one of the Celestial schools?

[centertime]

Phil 48 made a good point regarding what he said about the FPQ shengong energy (not what he actually said, but my interpretation of the meaning). I have another question related to that: In other traditions claiming to be Celestial cultivation schools, the energetic aura manifestation (blue in BFP/FPQ) is sometimes described as a spiritual seal or energetic signature (my description) which is recognized and honoured by spiritual entities, Immortals etc., who will then be more disposed toward teaching or otherwise helping the initiate. 

My first question is whether this is the actual case in FPQ, or is this blue aura manifestation simply a boosting of the 'etheric' field of a practitioner, or something similar?

My second question is - if in fact it is a sort of spiritual seal, does this remain with the practitioner from one lifetime to the next, thereby allowing them to be recognized and easily renew their spiritual practices with one of the Celestial schools?

I think I experienced a protective healing layer of energy above my skin. I could feel it... Is this it?

If so, it lasted couple of hours but I do not feel it now.. 

Edited April 2, 2017 by centertime

[Deltrus]

Questions:

 

do all exercises end in 3 deep breaths and the last breath being through the mouth? What happens if you take 4 deep breaths by accident?

 

Is the aim for the spine and head to be straight up in all exercises which don't specifically say to bend? Like suspended by a string at the crown of my head? Edit nvm I see the last standing exercise in vol 1 has the back bent in parts, but the question still stands for exercises 1-4 in vol 1.

 

For monk gazing at moon, do I have to have the intent of looking forward even with eyes closed? I've just been relaxing my eyes.

 

In "bending the bows" and "monk holding the pearl" should the elbows be straight outwards and in a line or relaxed and bent towards the body? Should the hands be touching the stomach in this position, or hovering in front without touching?

 

How many times should "bending the bows" be repeated?

Edited April 4, 2017 by Deltrus

[tao stillness]

If memory is correct, Bending the Bows is to be done 18 times.

[BluePhoenix133]

Perhaps a list should be made which shows the minimum number of repetitions of each meditation. Although i wonder if the number should be more catered to each individual and a set number is just constrictive?

[Earl Grey]

Recently, I just started doing Moonbeam Splashes on the Water (90% 60% 50% 20%). I must say that there is a reason that this gem is right there at the end of Volume 3. There's an indescribable bliss and joy that arises from doing it to the point I've done it multiple times today (both in a row and during random spots of time throughout the day where I have at least 10-15 minutes free) because something about the form makes me feel like I'm returning home every time I'm doing it, as though I can remain in the form forever.

 

After coming out of even just one round of Moonbeam Splashes on the Water, it seems like good luck increases. I would say more about my experience with the form, but I feel like I shouldn't because it would spoil the surprise (and also, a lot has already been said if you simply search through this thread). The world does seem like a far more wonderful place, and the calling to help others that I've been following for years just became so much stronger.

Edited April 4, 2017 by Earl Grey

[tao stillness]

Congrats on another achievement Earl Grey. But I think it would be good if you would continue to share those great experiences. I think it would be a mistake to think that everyone who does FP is going to eventually have similar experiences so there would be no need to spoil their surprise when they get to that point. Since nervous systems are so different and people are sensitive or insensitive to certain energies, it would be nice to hear what people are experiencing from doing FP. Not everyone is having great experiences doing FP, I could also make this statement for any other chi kung method.

[Earl Grey]

Congrats on another achievement Earl Grey. But I think it would be good if you would continue to share those great experiences. I think it would be a mistake to think that everyone who does FP is going to eventually have similar experiences so there would be no need to spoil their surprise when they get to that point. Since nervous systems are so different and people are sensitive or insensitive to certain energies, it would be nice to hear what people are experiencing from doing FP. Not everyone is having great experiences doing FP, I could also make this statement for any other chi kung method.

 

All right, I'll share a few things that happened at least the past couple days! My jing has definitely started greater production--even with very little water intake, during and after the form, I have a lot of saliva, and--warning to those who are a little squeamish--I dreamed that I was doing the forms and woke up in the middle of the night to an orgasm. This is especially significant as far as I understand because as someone who does a lot of internal styles, jing is very important. 

 

My other styles of martial arts have greatly improved to the point that I can't pinpoint a moment when I don't feel the influence of FP's unique qi. When I was up in the mountainous area of Sagada in the northern Philippines, where the barrier between the spirit and mundane world is very thin, locals were very, very receptive to the practice and I attracted quite an audience (of both the human and non-human incarnate variety--think of the kind you might see in the film Princess Mononoke). There was a very distinct blue glow when doing forms in the forest at evening twilight and some other colors that made my energetic body resemble a peacock feather. 

 

While healing a rape and incest trauma victim, an abused and grieving youth whose partner was killed, and a gout patient, each of them described that while preparing with Flying Phoenix forms before I gave them ear acupuncture, there was a big shift in the outdoor garden we were in, as though it were another universe. After the needles and when I began transmitting Reiki, they all said that I disappeared and seemed to penetrate every cell of their body, removing things that were dirty within them and letting them awaken from a bad dream. The garden also seemed to have a few "visitors" as well who joined in on the fun. 

 

Lastly, I look like I've been de-aged at least 10-15 years and a different face I don't even recognize in the mirror, resembling somewhere between Sting in the 1980s and Duran Duran. I already look quite young for my age, but looking both younger and having an entirely different face and energy behind it, around it, and within it makes me feel like I'm no longer me per se, but the original me, an ancient incarnation of me, or even something beyond me. 

 

EDIT: wanted to add that I remember actually waking up TWICE the other night. Before the jing explosion, the first time I woke up, I felt as though I were falling UPWARDS and was afraid I was about to hit the ceiling, and I dared not open my eyes. I then remember hurling down towards the bed and a bit of a bounce before opening my eyes in the dark. I could have either been seriously levitating or having my first out of body experience. This is what happens when one does Moonbeam Splashes on the Water right before going to sleep and at approximately 11:11pm when I started doing the form. 

Edited April 5, 2017 by Earl Grey

[tao stillness]

Thanks Earl Grey. Sounds like you obviously are having higher states of consciousness experiences from Flying Phoenix. I would assume you also have had higher states from most other forms of qigong that you have tried.

[centertime]

All right, I'll share a few things that happened at least the past couple days! My jing has definitely started greater production--even with very little water intake, during and after the form, I have a lot of saliva, and--warning to those who are a little squeamish--I dreamed that I was doing the forms and woke up in the middle of the night to an orgasm. This is especially significant as far as I understand because as someone who does a lot of internal styles, jing is very important. 

 

My other styles of martial arts have greatly improved to the point that I can't pinpoint a moment when I don't feel the influence of FP's unique qi. When I was up in the mountainous area of Sagada in the northern Philippines, where the barrier between the spirit and mundane world is very thin, locals were very, very receptive to the practice and I attracted quite an audience (of both the human and non-human incarnate variety--think of the kind you might see in the film Princess Mononoke). There was a very distinct blue glow when doing forms in the forest at evening twilight and some other colors that made my energetic body resemble a peacock feather. 

...........

 

 

 

 

The whole thing sounds scary and strange...Do you know what happened to you?

[Earl Grey]

The whole thing sounds scary and strange...Do you know what happened to you?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BluePhoenix133]

Sounds amazing, the strongest effect from flying phoenix I ever had was years ago when I had gone on a number of long no pmo periods (no porn masturbation orgasm) plus I was doing allot of mindfulness meditation so I had allot of jing build up.

That is when doing all of DVD 1 on the last meditation a cloud of chi moved to my lower left jaw, my jaw clicks and cracks allot.  I kick myself allot for falling back into porn addiction, I think I'm feeding demons who have manipulated me into this addiction but hey if I didn't find the female form so attractive they never would have been able to.

Its also nice to know it has reversed your age so much, how old are you may I ask?

So did you see some Kodama? Princess Mononoke used to be my favourite film.

'because something about the form makes me feel like i'm returning home every time i'm doing it'  That's interesting, when people have near death experience and go to the other side they often say its like going back home.

Reminds me of this AMV I watched allot to motivate me to practice, I confess that like to think if I practice enough I can become a super saijin god with an awesome blue aura.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKmxuxDHCXY

 

[zen-bear]

Thank you so much for your reply, Sifu Terry. 

 

I've decided that I will use FP for life simply because I have confirmed that no other system I have practiced heals better than Flying Phoenix, nor does any other system enhance my healing as wonderfully as Flying Phoenix. Whether or not my goal to become at least an instructor for the basic forms manifests, I am eternally grateful simply because I want to help people and Flying Phoenix makes my path that much more rewarding with the joy that comes from witnessing the tremendous relief and release that my patients have. And so I will practice it for life even if just for the sake of supercharging my healing practices since my patients love receiving healing after I do FP.

 

I hadn't practiced for a few months as well because I was coming out of a two-year relationship, related to a point you had made there about how it affects our partners. While I was doing the form, a lot of things were unearthed, and my calm upset her. When I stopped, I was arguing back a lot more, and even if my other practices keep me calm, they did not have the splash effect of intrinsically healing her the way FP does. And she was a woman who practiced Reiki, Seraphim Healing, and all sorts of systems too, so she knew when I stopped doing Flying Phoenix without me telling her! Being back in the practice of FP for the past few weeks though doesn't seem like I was away at all for the few months that I stopped, and has helped the emotional healing for both of us even if I am the only one practicing FP and we no longer stay together or see each other anymore. 

 

That splash/jump-off effect you described was what drew me to the system initially. I love being a warrior, but the honor of being a healer is great, though I guess as you have also mentioned, healer by day, warrior by night fits the archetype I am seeking to embody and to an extent have so far the past few years in the Tao. 

 

I have other names for the basic seated exercises and Monk Serves Wine series, but I was a bit shy to share some when I hadn't seen too many people here come out with theirs and didn't want to come off as pretentious.

 

For example, #1 (5% 60% 80% 40% 30%) I nicknamed "Illuminating the Universal Mind" because of the hyper awareness and sage-like compassion that I have when I come out of the form, though I feel more like I'm inside an egg and about to hatch. If I touch people after this, they feel current in some spots. 

 

For #2 (50% 30% 10%) I nicknamed it "Fanning the Flames" because besides looking like that's what we're doing, and while my patients are lying down for the first twenty minutes of acupuncture, if I do this in front of them, they feel a wave every time I bring my arms up and down.

 

Lastly, for #3 (50% 10% 50%) that I nicknamed "Holding the Cosmic Egg", I feel a big spark or supernova between my palms and like an egg has hatched whenever I wake up, but immediately I go to heal patients and leaves an extremely concentrated surge of healing after charging up with this form for 15-20 minutes; just today, one patient felt electrical current, gentle warmth, and even water splashing up her legs when I focused on the Kidney 1 point in the soles of her feet. 

 

Many, many, many, many, many, many thanks, Sifu Terry and to the Doo Wai family again. 

Hello Earl Gray,

 

My apologies to you--and to other Daobums who have posted questions and not received prompt replies (within one week, at least)--for the slowness of this response.  I was in Hawaii last week teaching FP Qigong workshops at a large convention of healthcare professionals and first-responders all dealing with VAT = Violence, Abuse and Trauma.  900 attendees.  Very successul breakout sessions doing FP Qigong for 3 hours.  And I am now back in California, still catching up on backlog of business and, of course, I will catch up to everybody's posted questions here about FP Qigong in due time.

 

Again, I want to say that I'm very gratified to know that your FP Qigong practice has taken off and has made a profound difference in the quality of your acupuncture practice.  That is why I am teaching FP Qigong (along with Tao Tan Pai Nei Kung and Yang Tai Chi Chuan at the No.2-rated Acupuncture College in the U.S. and the No.1 in California.  The FP Qigong facilitates "seeing", feeling, or otherwise sensing the energy balance or imbalances in the body and enabling the development of the right treatment so that one can let go of the textbook formulas all the quicker.

 

I'm also glad to hear that the FP Qigong energy that you've cultivated has affected the dynamics and communications in your personal relationship, even though it is ended.

 

As one of my teachers quoted another teacher's observation of one of the  great Universal Truths:

 

"Cosmic Consciousness (in this case facilitated by Flying Phoenix Qigong practice) is totally ruthless and highly indifferent."

 

--meaning, It will make you real whether you like it or not.  (LOL).

 

The above in bold orange is our most favorite process statement  that we would make in the 70's and 80's whenever one of our group achieved a therapeutic breakthrough or a genuine spiritual awakening.

 

            Such is the joy of growth while on the warrior's path of Knowledge.

 

I'm also glad to hear that you're enjoying the FP Qigong practice to such an extent that you are naming the unnamed MSW meditations according to your experience of them.  Hey, knock yourself out in celebrating the sublimity of FP Qigong by giving them inspired names.

 

Good work.  And at some point you do want to become certified to teach FP Qigong, get in touch with me through PM and I will tell you the process and requirements.   You certainly have the heart for it.  I have one student in the U.S. midwest who is getting close to instructor level and who's actually ahead of my students in L.A. in terms of knowing the basic level of the FP Qigong thoroughly.

 

Cheers,

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

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[zen-bear]

Hi Steve,

 

I will be glad to share more of my experiences related to Qigong practice.  I've already told a lot of the more interesting ones during my apprenticeship with GM Doo Wai.  There are plenty that I can share because I practice so many different forms of Qigong. 

 

well, I just got through teach workshops in Honolulu at the 14th annual Summit Conference of IVAT (Institute on Violence, ABuse and Trauma) and orgazation of some 3,000 healthcare professionals--mostly physicians, psychologists and social workers, MFCC's, and other types of counselors all working to heal the damage caused by violence, abuse and trauma--or to prevent them.

 

Hot on the heels of teaching 3 hour FP Qigong workshops in Honolulu to groups of 60, I taught a 2-hour class last night at the local acupuncture college and we covered all 5 basic standing FP Meditations on Volume 1 and the first 3 seated warm-up meditations on Volume 2 plus the first MSW (90 50 40 30 10).   It's always fun and gratifying for me to introduce a group of beginners to the effects of FP Qigong for the first time. Several of the students about 5 had taken my Tai Chi class in the past, but they weren't prepared for the deeply unifying effects of the FP Qigong grounding them and  "snapping their souls into place." 

 

One of ladies at the end said, " Wow, that 70's New Age phrase by Ram Dass:  "Be Here Now"--is totally moot after you practice a little Flying Phoenix.  Just amazing!"

 

Another gal, Deborah,  who started yesterday  looked like a bit of a little edgie, bristly, handsome, in jeans and plaid shirt, long blonde hair, strong arms, looked like she was working/struggling in a man's arena or milieu.  Midway through the class she said she was really hot and perspiring a lot.  I told her that that is the FP Healing Energy breaking through "surface tension" on the skin and around certain organs...and that it would soon pass...and to just work through the heat.  I told her tha FP Qigong Energy, relatively speaking, is a COOL ENERGY.  After the 2.25 hour class sended, she left glowing with very smooth skin, very cool but radiant complexion and quite elated.

 

I will gather my thoughts about some more recent experiences of my own and  post them in the coming days.

 

I have a workshop with Tai Chi Grandmaster William C.C. Chen April 8-9, so the posts will probably come next week.

 

Thanks for asking.

 

Best to all,

Sifu Terry

[zen-bear]

If memory is correct, Bending the Bows is to be done 18 times.

Correct.  Eighteen rounds of Bending the Bows for all beginners.  Once you can do a set with total relaxation going down to the deepest horse stance for each part of the exercise (A and and not feel your body (i.e., muscle-free movement), you can do less than 18.

 

Thanks, Steve, for passing on the teaching.  It's on the Volume 1 DVD.

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

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[zen-bear]

Questions:

 

do all exercises end in 3 deep breaths and the last breath being through the mouth? What happens if you take 4 deep breaths by accident?

 

Is the aim for the spine and head to be straight up in all exercises which don't specifically say to bend? Like suspended by a string at the crown of my head? Edit nvm I see the last standing exercise in vol 1 has the back bent in parts, but the question still stands for exercises 1-4 in vol 1.

 

For monk gazing at moon, do I have to have the intent of looking forward even with eyes closed? I've just been relaxing my eyes.

 

In "bending the bows" and "monk holding the pearl" should the elbows be straight outwards and in a line or relaxed and bent towards the body? Should the hands be touching the stomach in this position, or hovering in front without touching?

 

How many times should "bending the bows" be repeated?

Hi Deltrus,

 

Just got back from Hawaii teaching and still catching up with everyone on the thread.

 

do all exercises end in 3 deep breaths and the last breath being through the mouth?

YES, THAT IS THE STRICT PROTOCOL TO FOLLOW. 

What happens if you take 4 deep breaths by accident?

Nothing terrible.  But just start over and take another 3 deep breathes to end tohe FP Meditation.

If you flub it and do 4 at the start.  Stop.  Then start all over again with 3 breathes.

Is the aim for the spine and head to be straight up in all exercises which don't specifically say to bend? Like suspended by a string at the crown of my head? Edit nvm I see the last standing exercise in vol 1 has the back bent in parts, but the question still stands for exercises 1-4 in vol 1.

YES.  Form in the standing FP Meditations is vertical straight back.  but not ramrod straight to the point of being overly tense.  So, yes, use the image I describe in the DVD of "being suspended by a string attached to the crown of the head."   Remember:  with moving meditations, they are all about "Opening ad Closing the body"

 

For monk gazing at moon, do I have to have the intent of looking forward even with eyes closed? I've just been relaxing my eyes.

KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN THROUGHOUT MONK GAZING ATY MOON.  OTHERWISE YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.

MONK GAZING AT MOON IS THE ONLY MED. IN THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IN WHICH THE EYES ARE OPEN.  SO KEEP EYES OPEN!!

In "bending the bows" and "monk holding the pearl" should the elbows be straight outwards and in a line or relaxed and bent towards the body?

GOOD QUESTION.  SINCE YOU ASKED, YOU CAN KEEP THEM POINTING TO THE THE SIDES AND STRAIGHT OTUWARDS AND IN LINE...AND NOT BENT TOWARDS THE BODY.

 

Should the hands be touching the stomach in this position, or hovering in front without touching?

TOUCHING--NOT "HOVERING".

 

How many times should "bending the bows" be repeated?

AS TAO STILLNESS advised:  18 X

 

See you online again soon.

Best,

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

 

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Edited April 21, 2017 by zen-bear

[ridingtheox]

1) sort of off topic ... at the end of May  i hope to attend the local Quaker non violence workshop which relates to prisons and humane treatment 

AFSC presents, Blurring the Boundaries: Trauma and Healing Justice

 

2  my practice of 5 short stand meds   keeps getting longer and longer today 35 min (5.5,6.5,7.5,7.5 and 8.5)  i did it while listening to Tibetan Bells ...  

 

My appreciation of these 5 form grows daily

 

thanks for the this thread too!!

[BluePhoenix133]

Are  you only supposed to do one round of each of the short standing forms. Does it matter if you do more?

Inspired by earl I just did wind through the tree tops, surprised at how intense the energy was which actually made it a bit awkward because of the back bendy positions you are in. How many repetition of wind through the tree tops should one do, I did three and I feel pretty great now...felt rubbish just before I did it.

I think I might write all this in a notebook, breath percentages and number of repetitions recommended for each meditation ect

Edited April 7, 2017 by BluePhoenix133

[zen-bear]

Things I'm noticing as I practice:

 

- much easier to not make mistakes if I stay exactly in the current moment, the present.

- everything is getting easier as time goes on (was super hard for me at first)

- Easiest way to use the dvd is to select each individual meditation, review the start, then pause at the breath sequence. Then just press "next" when done to go back to the meditation selection screen.

 

 

I'm currently doing 4/5 standing exercises every morning.

Hi Deltrus,

 

4/5 standing FP Meditations every morning is a good and solid practice regimen.  Try to make Bending the Bows one of your daily standing exercises.

 

Then try to work in one or two seated MSW meditations sometime during the day as well--if possible.

 

Sifu Terry

 

 

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Edited April 21, 2017 by zen-bear

[Aeran]

TOUCHING--NOT "HOVERING".

 

 

Wow, I've been doing one of my favorite FP meditations wrong all this time :/ That's a bit humbling - always more to learn I guess.

 

For what it's worth, MHPearl seems to have had a significant effect even without the hands touching the belly. Will be interesting to see how much it improves using the proper hand position.

[Deltrus]

@zen-bear I keep falling into a sleep like state when doing the exercises. For example in bending the bows I keep going to a deep trance and forget to bend my knees at the right times. I contribute this to concentration meditation, focusing on the sensation of breath on the nose, that I did for a few years. I got into the same deep state when I was doing that. Any advice? Should I keep on practicing even though I mess up? It doesn't happen with eyes open. Edit: I probably just need more practice time.

Edited April 9, 2017 by Deltrus

[Aeran]

I obviously can't answer for Sifu Terry, but I had the exact same problem (used to get it with breath sequences as well - really annoying to drift off in the middle and forget which breath you're on then have to start over!). I've found over time that practice allows the mind to get better at subconsciously tracking the breathing and then movement, and it rarely occurs to me anymore.

 

On the flip side, if you want to go into deep sleep/dream-like states during Flying Phoenix, try out Basic Seated #3. I'm not sure if it's a specific function of that particular meditation, or just that it's a seated meditation with no movement and thus facilitates the most mental relaxation, but I recently spent a month or so practicing it daily and had a few times where I drifted into rather intense dream-like states, complete with sound and visuals. The content of these "dream-states" wasn't random either, but always correlated with specific health issues.

 

I've moved on to Basic Seated #2 for now, but at one point in the future, when my practice is a bit more advanced, I'm looking forward to trying an hour long sessions of Basic Seated #3 and seeing how deep it can go