Flying Phoenix Chi Kung

[BluePhoenix133]

Is it ok to do hand on healing for someone for free? I was told that it interfers with their karma and yours. Also i spoke to someone who is into nordic shamanism who told me he practices something called gabo which simply put is barter.

It seems to me you would inprove your karma by helping other for free, you would probably get a return some where down the line and if you enjoy it why not? From a buddhist book i have been reading it says a bodhissatva should be prepared to give up everything for some on, even their body...bit extreme imo but is charity not a virtue?

[Benbeastmode]

Hi Terry,

            I had sent an email but hadn't heard anything. I'm wondering if you have any FP recommendations for lyme and similar infections? Other than just doing the practice as normal I guess.

 

I'm still at it, though at a slower pace of adding exercises as in the description. I'm upto Standing 1/2/3, Sitting 1/2/3 in one session. I do feel it's helped, though I don't really feel much 'energy' in the practice, mainly just relaxed. It's been a part of my routine for 6+ months now.

 

I was doing daily, now it's every second day as i'm doing some other things and I realized I was taking on too much in a desperation to heal and that I needed to give myself some space.

Edited March 4, 2019 by Benbeastmode

[zen-bear]

On 2/19/2019 at 1:23 AM, Astral_butterfly said:

 

Hi Sifu Terry

 

I have a spirit living in my place. He does not do evil, he just lives with us, ever since we arrived in end 2012. He occasionally speaks to us and sometimes he acts playful. Is it bad for me to do FPCK at home? Should I only do it at work- unfortunately at work I can only do it in a room full of electronic equipment which stay idle but is switched on.

 

I think the guy at home likes to be near me when I do FPCK, because he comes into the same room where I am practicing.

I don't know how close he comes, but aside from the blue light that she sees clearly, my daughter saw a black shadow around me when I was practicing (I see him as a floating shadow-type figure, but at that moment my eyes are closed). She never sees a black shadow around me at other times - she is able to see this anytime while wide awake and she only saw it during my practice. I was wondering if he was trying to benefit from the chi kung.

 

It would make sense if you said not to do it at home, because I have a lot of difficulty doing it there, it just seems to be more awkward generally, either I get interrupted by my child, or I get distracted by sounds like someone being there, or whatever the obstacle may be on any given day. It may look like coincidence, but it may be because I should not? I mostly do it at work, but this is not possible on the week-end, and I don't want to go without doing it for two days. 

 

Thank you for any clarity, also from any other practioner if they feel qualified to answer.

A_B

Hi A-B,

 

I'm sorry to take so long to reply to your post.  After I got back from my travels last weekend, I somehow I had missed it on this next-to-current page.  I just now read it.

 

My answers to your specific questions and concerns: 

 

I think the guy at home likes to be near me when I do FPCK, because he comes into the same room where I am practicing.

I don't know how close he comes, but aside from the blue light that she sees clearly, my daughter saw a black shadow around me when I was practicing (I see him as a floating shadow-type figure, but at that moment my eyes are closed). She never sees a black shadow around me at other times - she is able to see this anytime while wide awake and she only saw it during my practice. I was wondering if he was trying to benefit from the chi kung.

•• If you and your daughter have perceived a spirit co-inhabiting your home over the past 7 years and are certain that it is not malevolent, and your daughter has seen this spirit as a black shadow only when you are practicing, then your hunch or belief may be correct that it manifests and comes near when you are doing FP Qigong because it likes the FP Qigong energy.  Also, a benign spirit may be drawing near each time you practice because our FP Qigong puts you in a clear, integrated, and highly perceptive state of consciousness where you are more able to perceive or possibly even cummune with that spirit as well as other entities.  If you are healthy and in a strong and positive frame of mind, that spirit, besides making its presence known, might be approaching to commune with you.  (You can contact me via PM backchannel if you want to discuss  means for you to better recognize this spirit yourself and how get acquainted with him if you want to.)

 

•• Great, btw, that your daughter sees your energy when practicing FP as the "signature" blue light!

 

It would make sense if you said not to do it at home, because I have a lot of difficulty doing it there, it just seems to be more awkward generally, either I get interrupted by my child, or I get distracted by sounds like someone being there, or whatever the obstacle may be on any given day. It may look like coincidence, but it may be because I should not?

••  You've pretty much answered your own question about whether you should practice FP Qigong at home or not.  Co-habitating spirit(s) aside, because your practice is generally more distracted, awkward, and interrupted at home, unless you can secure your abode and shut out any and all forms of mundane interference, you would be better off practicing in a more quiet, comfortable and secluded setting.  If you have no other alternatives to practicing FP at work in a room with a lot electronic equipment, then that will have to suffice.  It is certainly not ideal, but at least you won't be interrupted.  Everyone has to cope and make do with their environments in order to practice FP.  Over the years, I've practiced countless times in spaces with turned-on electronic equipment and/or machinery not in operation.  And as a matter of  fact, when GM Doo Wai taught me and the circle of students I had formed in the early 90's, about 80% of training was in a hotel room with the television turned on.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

[zen-bear]

On 2/22/2019 at 6:25 AM, Astral_butterfly said:

I think only Sifu Terry will be able to answer this.

FPCK has been regulating my hormones, that I am 10/10 certain of.

I have not menstruated since a long time since I take the progesterone pill.

But now all of a sudden I am menstruating today.

I don't know what to make of this. Could FPCK have made me ovulate?

Could it override the effects of the pill?

 

A_B,

Thanks for your expressed faith in my being able to explain this.  But I cannot answer for FP Qigong's effects in relation to progesterone intake.  It is possible that FP Qigong's effects are so balancing, harmonizing and restorative of all natural bodily processes that it could override the effects of the pill, but I am not scientifically qualified to authoritatively say one way or another.

 

And I am not in the life mode where I can remotely scan your system and determine this.  But I want to recommend to you someone who can probably give you a clear read on the possible  effect of FPCK overriding the pill in your body specifically:  contact  Eric Isen, and excellent medical clairvoyant, who starting several years ago, was profoundly accurate in remotely reading and rendering in great detail the health and yogic effects of each and every FP Qigong Meditation for "Tao Stillness".  Just contact me through backchannel PM to get Eric's contact info.  (He charges $90/ half hour for his consultations.)

 

Best,

 

Sifu Terry

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

[zen-bear]

23 hours ago, BluePhoenix133 said:

Is it ok to do hand on healing for someone for free? I was told that it interfers with their karma and yours. Also i spoke to someone who is into nordic shamanism who told me he practices something called gabo which simply put is barter.

It seems to me you would inprove your karma by helping other for free, you would probably get a return some where down the line and if you enjoy it why not? From a buddhist book i have been reading it says a bodhissatva should be prepared to give up everything for some on, even their body...bit extreme imo but is charity not a virtue?

 

Hi BP,

 

Your question,  Is it ok to do hand on healing for someone for free?

--is a very loaded, overly general question that in its present form does have a single correct answer.

 

I will answer by saying that it all depends on these factors and more: 

(A)  how effective your healing powers are,

(B)  how clear and perceptive you are in terms of diagnosing the illness or injury;

(C)  how clear and perceptive you are in seeing the patient's character and spirit; and

(D)  how physically, mentally and spiritually strong you are to withstand a patient's disease, negative energy, or even negative intent and his projected psychic energy;

(E)   who you are trying to heal.

 

• If the person is a family member or loved one, there should be no problem. And certainly no bad consequences or karmic fall-out should result from rendering a healing without charge.

 

• But if your skills are inadequate and ineffective (not saying that they are either inferior or superior in reality), and wind up causing negative complications or worsening the condition, then you've hindered or hurt rather than healed.  But even if you've not done a service but instead you've inadvertantly done a disservice,  if the intent was purely to help, there should be no negative karmic fall-out.

 

• Or if the person you're working on is seriously afflicted with something that's beyond your healing capability, then you are doing something that's of no use and also putting yourself at risk of contracting the either biological disease or spiritual disease/affliction that he/she has.

 

•  Or worse, if the person you're trying to heal is a parasite or disguised energy vampire, you will be drained to some extent of your own vital life force and have your spiritual energy soiled.  Every skilled healer who has worked long enough has come across

 

• it also depends if the patient can afford your services or not.  If the subject is someone you've deemed worthy of being helped but cannot pay you, then doing a barter is fine to accommodate, and giving the healing for free is a good charitable act that will "improve your karma," as you put it, and come back to you in a positive way somewhere down the road.

 

It seems to me you would inprove your karma by helping other for free, you would probably get a return some where down the line and if you enjoy it why not?

 

• Yes, the basic law of karma, as taught by all the great spiritual leaders and great religions of the world, holds true for all tie--"do good onto others and good will be done onto you": 

 

         Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you,

         do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.  
                                                                                                        – Matthew 7:12  
 

 

        "(5)  The fact that men one experienceth even in the unhappy worlds

          of existence   (i.e., life on earth) moments of happiness as a direct

          outcome of having performed little deeds of mercy while in the human

          world showeth the virtue of the Holy Dharma."

                                                  – XVI.  The Ten Virtues of the Holy Dharma,

                                                     "Tibetan Yoga & Secret Doctrines"

                                                       transl. by W.Y. Evans-Wentz

 

 

               The Master said: 

             "To bless means to help.  Heaven helps the man who is devoted;

               men help the man who is true.  He who walks in truth and is devoted

               in his thinking, and furthermore reveres the worthy, is blessed by

               heaven.  He has good fortune, and there is nothing that would not further."

                                                    – Confucius,  as quote in the I Ching, Book of Changes

                                                        to explain the top line of Hexagram #14, "Possession

                                                        in Great Measure" that reads:

              "He is blessed by heaven. 

               Good fortune.

               Nothing that does not further."

 

                                                                                                   

From a buddhist book i have been reading it says a bodhissatva should be prepared to give up everything for some on, even their body...bit extreme imo but is charity not a virtue?

Not extreme.  Charity is indeed a great virtue.

One must renounce all in service to humanity in order to gain all--as exemplified by Moses, Christ, the Buddha and others.

 

*I hope you have misquoted the book that you've been reading--for a Bodhisattva or saint has already given up all and renounced everything material and even health and extended life, in order to attain liberation from the world and the karmic wheel of deaths and rebirths.  Your statement above is correct only if you insert the word "aspiring" before "Bodhisattva".

 

I hope that this clarifies.  May I suggest that as you practice FP Qigong that you also study works such as the Bible, the I Ching (the Wilhelm-Baynes translation, especially "The Great Treatise" in the center of the book), "Tibetan Yoga and Secret Doctrines" by W.Y. Evans-Wentz [which I made in 1983 required reading for all of my students] or any other great spiritual work.

 

Best wishes,

 

Sifu Terry Dunn

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

Edited March 5, 2019 by zen-bear

[tao stillness]

The sessions for Eric Isen have been $108 for the initial one hour session, and then $90 for the one hour follow up sessions. There is a level of consciousness described in the Vedas, the oldest health care system on this planet, where all you need to do is introduce the name of something, and then spontaneously that object or situation or condition manifests at least in your awareness. I will repeat here just one experience from the many that I have had with Eric over the past 22 years. Our adopted 5 year old daughter was undergoing explorative surgery at the world renown Johns Hopkins Hospital with a team of pediatric surgeons. Before that began we asked Eric to scan her condition. He came back with the results several minutes before the surgeons consulted with us about their findings. The report from the surgeons was close to verbatim as to what Eric had told us he had seen. During my first session with Eric in 1997 this story bears repeating because I enjoy recalling it so much. I was referred to him by a friend and I had much skepticism when I called him. However, that was doubt was blown away after he was able to tell me what I eaten for desert and that I had consumed it too late in the day. He then told me he saw smoke in my lungs while we having the session. Now my doubt crept back in because I never smoked and I had not been around any second hand smoke. So I was certain that he was way off the mark on that. Several minutes later during our session I was aware of smelling sandalwood incense and then I remembered that before making the call to Eric I had lit a stick of incense in the kitchen. So there indeed was smoke in my lungs. A few years ago my wife fell and then had Xrays for her wrist and the doctor told her it was not fractured. She then called Eric and he said he saw two places in the wrist where there were fractures. So she then went to a specialist and he looked at the Xrays and spotted 2 fractures just where Eric had described them. Enough said about that. 

[StillWater]

Sorry to ask again, if anyone would have a moment to just point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it....  no response and I'll assume that would mean I'm being stupid and should look further elsewhere.

 

Thanks and my apologies for being pushy
 

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"Quick question... .does anyone else have massive lactic acid buildup in the anterior deltoids from Monk Gazing at Moon?   Also, despite being quite flexible in my hamstrings (can truly flat-backed palm the floor... extension at hip joint with no waist bend)… my hips aren't quite there for sitting half lotus without cutting off the circulation to my feet.   Never mind the extensive lumbar exercise it takes to hold myself upright.  I can do it, but I certainly cannot be "as relaxed as possible."   Tranquility ain't happening in either MGAM or sitting half lotus when the exercises become more of a load-bearing anaerobic endurance event.

 

SO... q 1)   Anyone else get the lactic acid in their shoulders?    q 2)  Can just sitting in a chair suffice until I get my hip joints opened up sufficiently?"

 

 

[Earl Grey]

45 minutes ago, StillWater said:

Sorry to ask again, if anyone would have a moment to just point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it....  no response and I'll assume that would mean I'm being stupid and should look further elsewhere.

 

Thanks and my apologies for being pushy
 

 

 

It just takes time for Sifu Terry to respond, hang tight. Also, the forum is not as active as a lot of old members are not here as often as they used to be, so they are less responsive than they used to be in the past. 

 

Patience is a virtue.

[Astral_butterfly]

21 hours ago, zen-bear said:

If you are healthy and in a strong and positive frame of mind, that spirit, besides making its presence known, might be approaching to commune with you.  (You can contact me via PM backchannel if you want to discuss  means for you to better recognize this spirit yourself and how get acquainted with him if you want to.)

 

Thanks so much for this, I am indeed curious about this guy.

 

 

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•• Great, btw, that your daughter sees your ener

gy when practicing FP as the "signature" blue light!

 

 

She is quite an amazing child, with wisdom and certain spiritual talents.

 

21 hours ago, zen-bear said:

 

••  You've pretty much answered your own question about whether you should practice FP Qigong at home or not.  Co-habitating spirit(s) aside, because your practice is generally more distracted, awkward, and interrupted at home, unless you can secure your abode and shut out any and all forms of mundane interference, you would be better off practicing in a more quiet, comfortable and secluded setting.  If you have no other alternatives to practicing FP at work in a room with a lot electronic equipment, then that will have to suffice.  It is certainly not ideal, but at least you won't be interrupted.  Everyone has to cope and make do with their environments in order to practice FP.  Over the years, I've practiced countless times in spaces with turned-on electronic equipment and/or machinery not in operation.  And as a matter of  fact, when GM Doo Wai taught me and the circle of students I had formed in the early 90's, about 80% of training was in a hotel room with the television turned on.

 

 

This really reassures me, thanks Sifu Terry. No environment available to me is ideal, but I always keep in mind that you say "Just do it!" and that instantly makes me feel better about whatever obstacles are present. I am certainly better off having done this for a month now than if I had never done it at all. This time round, I am averaging an hour a day and have never skipped a day, no matter the circumstances.

 

 

21 hours ago, zen-bear said:

And I am not in the life mode where I can remotely scan your system and determine this.  But I want to recommend to you someone who can probably give you a clear read on the possible  effect of FPCK overriding the pill in your body specifically:  contact  Eric Isen, and excellent medical clairvoyant, who starting several years ago, was profoundly accurate in remotely reading and rendering in great detail the health and yogic effects of each and every FP Qigong Meditation for "Tao Stillness".  Just contact me through backchannel PM to get Eric's contact info.  (He charges $90/ half hour for his consultations.)

 

Best,

 

Sifu Terry

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

 

 

Thanks Sifu Terry, I think I will consult him when I get a chance. But that menstruation was not just a menstruation; I do believe that what gave me all that pain since 2014 (and prevented me from sustaining a pregnancy) in my lower abdomen got eliminated physically (I saw it, and by the looks of it, it was there since a very long time). I think I am cured. It is very exciting to no longer have to live with chronic pain and the exhaustion in brings. I am totally certain that thanks to Flying Phoenix Chi Kung, my body got rid of what was hurting me.

 

This, in addition to the incredibly fast rejuvenation of my skin and the magically rapid growth of my hair (and my nails, they are so strong!), is beyond what I could expect in such a short time. I am sure that if I keep my pace going, I can get rid of all the tension I have left in my body, as I have no more big health concerns. Being so close to optimum health is bringing me great joy and gratitude. I am almost 50 years old but I feel and look as if I am 30, yet I know it is only the beginning! Like Earl Grey, I naturally look young by default, but FPCK has taken 10 years off my face in a month.

 

I am also experiencing the phenomenon of being looked at randomly in public, in a way that is different to the usual. I don't know how to describe it, there is something in the stares that convinces me it is not about the way I look, there is more to it. It is the energy.

 

I also feel as if I am emerging into clarity and light. More happiness, harmony and positivity. Yet I assure you that my life is far from perfect, but there is something new I didn't have before, and my piety has increased. I can only say "thank you" for the umpteenth time. I am so happy I came back to the practice.

 

A_B

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by Astral_butterfly

[cihan]

18 hours ago, StillWater said:

Can just sitting in a chair suffice until I get my hip joints opened up sufficiently?"

Hello Stillwater,

I am at almost 10th year in FP practice, and still can not sit in any lotus position. While I cannot compare my progress with lucky practitioners who can sit proper, by sitting cross legged with some back support, I am quite happy with with my progress. I gave up forcing my hips long ago, as my practices are more meditation oriented, I found not efficient to add one more pain filter to the listening mind.

If you are experiencing stress also at the standing meds like MGAM, that means you are not standing proper. The best exercise that thaught me how to stand properly was Bending the Bows. I highly recommend it. Also do Monk holding pearl while standing for at least 40 minutes, your pinkies touching slightly to your lower abdomen. Proper postures come after a certain time of practice, when the corresponding chi channels open up. Listen to your body, don’t fight with it 😀

Happy practicing.

[StillWater]

Thank you cihan, thank you very much.  Very helpful.    SW

[Earl Grey]

Dear Fellow Students,

 

Beware the Ides Idleness of March!

 

It is the third month of the year and for everyone's New Year resolutions to practice more, if life hasn't gotten in the way yet, it will. 

 

Here's a little something to remind you of: it is Mercury Retrograde now, and as posted before in the thread, Sifu Terry has recommended being vigilant with practice in order to help overcome the difficulties of this time with more frustrating communications from tech to contract signing to traveling and moving places, or just generally throwing your hands up in the air when talking with other people. One only needs to read YouTube comments or go to the Off-Grid section in this forum to see this. 

 

For most people, it's a challenge for our egos and our patience to deal with this astrological hurdle, but for Flying Phoenix students, we are more than prepared for it. Three seated and three standing forms daily are enough to put you in a state of awareness, psychic protection, calm, good health, and understanding to help you get through this and align with the cosmos. 

 

Today, I did the following forms, which includes some things that Sifu Terry taught me in our private lessons: 

 

MSW1 90 50 40 30 10,

AMSW3 70 50 20 10,

AMSW2 80 70 50 30,

MSW Long Form,

 

followed by

 

supine MHPearl,

Wind Above the Clouds,

Wind Through the Tree Tops, and

Capstone Long Form from Volume 4,

 

followed by an advanced seated form from San Gong,

a basic Bok Fu Pai form (Guardian Standing at Temple Gate),

 

Flash Meditation 5 for Bat Din Gum, and

 

Tao Tan Pai Cane form.

 

In the words of Depeche Mode, "I just can't get enough!"

 

For all newbies, don't worry if you're not there yet in your practice or you don't even know three seated and three standing forms yet. Even one meditation is enough to put you in a sublime state and ready for healing yourself (and eventually, others too)!

 

EG

[BluePhoenix133]

Oh is that why that geezer at work kept getting in my way and overeacting when i asked him stuff...just had this weird energy coming off of him like he was just prepared to go off on one.

[ridingtheox]

day 73 of 108  ...  long form 5 am,  (no  tai ji,  town trip) Ba duan jin 8pm   short sessions of Peng ( grasping bird's tail Left form, right form) 10 & 15 reps  I am also reviewing Yang,  MJ  Dao De Jing  qi gong interpretation the  embryonic breathing seems to be falling into my FP practice warm ups and percent breathing for each exercise.

 

best thing is the daily  fpck long form.

 

 

[zen-bear]

On 3/2/2019 at 6:09 AM, StillWater said:

Quick question... .does anyone else have massive lactic acid buildup in the anterior deltoids from Monk Gazing at Moon?   Also, despite being quite flexible in my hamstrings (can truly flat-backed palm the floor... extension at hip joint with no waist bend)… my hips aren't quite there for sitting half lotus without cutting off the circulation to my feet.   Never mind the extensive lumbar exercise it takes to hold myself upright.  I can do it, but I certainly cannot be "as relaxed as possible."   Tranquility ain't happening in either MGAM or sitting half lotus when the exercises become more of a load-bearing anaerobic endurance event.

 

SO... q 1)   Anyone else get the lactic acid in their shoulders?    q 2)  Can just sitting in a chair suffice until I get my hip joints opened up sufficiently?

 

Thanks

 

SW

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Stillwater,

 

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you about your questions re lactic acid buildup in the shoulders while doing MGAM.  Answer to your question:  many beginning students with no internal martial arts background do feel stress and soreness when they first do Monk Gazing At Moon.  That's a normal sensation that comes with the exercise.  But prolonged and extremely painful lactic acid buildup is not normal. 

 

(A)  Cihan made a correct and excellent suggestion that you do a lot of Bending the Bows in order to condition away the soreness in shoulders.  BTB is a cornerstone moving meditation in the FP Qigong system.

 

(B)  Also do Wind Through Clouds (50 40 30).  the bending over down-ward tilt of the torso to right left and right again will take the pain out of your shoulders and bring the underlying stress to surface and your awareness.

 

(C)   to better regulate the soreness that you attribute to lactic acid buildup: do the preparatory seated meditation for the "Monk Serves Wine" meds on the Vol.2 DVD that has the breath sequence (50  30  10) and looks like the opening movement of Tai Chi done repeatedly--where you raise and lower the extended arms from waist level while your seated to shoulder level.  Do this A LOT!    **I know it's a Catch-22 because you're having a tough time sitting in and stayng in the half lotus position.  Hint:  use booster cushion to raise the butt and have the thighs angling downward.  And if worse comes to worse, you can just do the seated meditations sitting in a chair with feet flat on the floor.  It's sub-optimal, but still allows you to train the FP seated meditations, which are sublime. 

BTW, that (50 30 10) preparatory seated med will probably put you through some changes.  As I've posted early in the thread that when my comrades and I  first did that meditation in the first months of our training in 1991, every single one of us students of GM Doo Wai (who were all instructor level with 10+ yrs of solid kung fu experience,  felt incredible, almost excruciating pain  the first week we did that meditation.  Prop your self against a wall or couch or sit in a chair if you can't do half-lotus and do the arm floatations up and down 18x as slowly as you can.  Doing that daily for a couple of weeks should transform your neuro-musculature.

 

As Carl Jung put it, "There is no coming to Tranquility without Pain."

(actually, he said "there is no coming to Consciousness without Pain"--but I'm exercising poetic license.

 

Good luck,

 

Sifu Terry

 

www.taichimania.com/chikung_catalog.html

[Astral_butterfly]

Side note: I have always had spontaneous memories of long-forgotten dreams (sometimes after as much as 30+ years or even childhood), during my normal waking state.

 

Yesterday, I had such a recollection, but to my surprise, I went from one to another successively, finding myself in from 6 to 10 different dream scenes.

 

It was great to find again all these dream locations, that had escaped my waking memory. I really enjoyed the travelling and the scenery. Now I won't forget them anymore. Funny, they all had the same "feel" and "look". As if they happened in the same "dream world", even "dream province", I daresay the exact same location, but different parts, even though one was a block of flats, the other a market, yet another a shopping mall etc. I recognised the link by road because some shared the same routes.

 

I repeat, this was in normal consciousness.

 

I attribute this to FPCK. It never happened to me before.

[Earl Grey]

On 3/24/2019 at 7:06 PM, Astral_butterfly said:

Side note: I have always had spontaneous memories of long-forgotten dreams (sometimes after as much as 30+ years or even childhood), during my normal waking state.

 

Yesterday, I had such a recollection, but to my surprise, I went from one to another successively, finding myself in from 6 to 10 different dream scenes.

 

It was great to find again all these dream locations, that had escaped my waking memory. I really enjoyed the travelling and the scenery. Now I won't forget them anymore. Funny, they all had the same "feel" and "look". As if they happened in the same "dream world", even "dream province", I daresay the exact same location, but different parts, even though one was a block of flats, the other a market, yet another a shopping mall etc. I recognised the link by road because some shared the same routes.

 

I repeat, this was in normal consciousness.

 

I attribute this to FPCK. It never happened to me before.

 

I wrote about this in my own ppj about mapping out familiar locations in the dreaming and my own personal dreaming map. 

 

I can only attest that the expansion of the mind and soul are infinite compared to the body. The soul work and the mind expansion occur with the right practices. It is not unlikely that Flying Phoenix plays a role in this, but how it works is highly individualistic without proper guidance.

 

More reasons to seek one-on-one training with Sifu Terry.

[Antares]

Hello everyone. Let me chime in. As far as I know according to the authentic Taoist Tradition (TT) a practitioner should avoid any dreaming on the advanced level of practice. The reason for that is very simple - dreaming, especially vivid lucid dreaming, depletes one's jing and pactitioner must preserve it for converting it into Shen. But for that there must be a special alchemical method. 

 

In the beginnig of this thread I read that Feng Tao Te invented this system while sitting in deep meditation for 9 years. He seemed to do that on the last stage of the alchemical practice (converting  Shen into Emptiness).  It might mean that  he reached the very high level of the alchemical mastery and gained Immortality. By the way did anyone have channeling to Feng Tao Te? 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Antares

[Earl Grey]

16 minutes ago, Antares said:

Hello everyone. Let me chime in. As far as I know according to the authentic Taoist Tradition (TT) a practitioner should avoid any dreaming on the advanced level of practice. The reason for that is very simple - dreaming, especially vivid lucid dreaming, depletes one's jing and pactitioner must preserve it for converting it into Shen. But for that there must be a special alchemical method. 

 

In the beginnig of this thread I read that Feng Tao Te invented this system while sitting in deep meditation for 9 years. He seemed to do that on the last stage of the alchemical practice (converting  Shen into Emptiness).  It might mean that  he reached the very high level of the alchemical mastery and gained Immortality. By the way did anyone have channeling to Feng Tao Te? 

 

I am not sure why practitioners should avoid advanced dream practice as another style I practice, Sleeping Qigong from Nan Yun, is openly taught but rare. 

 

Sifu Terry himself says FP practitioners are known to have more lucid dreams and better sleep, so I am not sure I understand what you’re saying or what reasoning behind it is.

[Earl Grey]

3 minutes ago, Antares said:

 

Earl Grey, I think that we have to realize where qigong came from and how it appeared in the West. Qigong is corrupt form of ancient alchemy which was invented not so long time ago. But the alchemy is an ancient sacred knowledge which dates back to the Yellow Emperor' period of ancinet China. Only a few Chinese taoist schools have preserved its teaching in purity having been not corrupted at a later time.  In order not to sound proofless I will cite a fragment from the Chen Tuan 華山十二睡功總訣 ( main explanations on the 12 steps of shuigong methods from the Huashan mountains ). 

 

 

It was discussed on the Saint Petersburg's traditional taoist center forum 

https://forum.daode.ru/f1461/dream-yoga-taoist-view-33609/

(you can read the whole thread if you wish. But sorry for somebody's bad translation from Russian  ) 

 

 

 

 

While this is interesting to share (but still doesn't seem to align with what Sifu Terry has taught us, his private students and my other teachers for that matter), I will have to remind you that we need to focus on this specific system of Flying Phoenix, which, I will add operates differently from most other styles of Qigong and from TCM. 

 

If you are so inclined to bring this up, please open another thread to split from this one. Sifu Terry will respond to this if he feels it is pertinent to the thread (I've just contacted him). 

[Antares]

21 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

While this is interesting to share (but still doesn't seem to align with what Sifu Terry has taught us, his private students and my other teachers for that matter), I will have to remind you that we need to focus on this specific system of Flying Phoenix, which, I will add operates differently from most other styles of Qigong and from TCM. 

 

Well, I have nothing to say against Sifu Terry's opinion and by no any means I oppose " my" theory to his theory on the mastery of sleeping but I only remind you what TT says on this issue. As I can recall Sifu Terry said a few times that FPQ is based purely on taoist teaching, so this observation is made having regard to practical reasons from taoist perspective. I just want to add that retrograde Mercury forced me to re-read many pages on this thread and and I decided to chime in and share some of my observations. I have no any desire to post it for general discussion on the TTB as I am not inetersted in it. On this forum people say what they like and what they want how it should be, for me it will be idle waste of time

 

As for FPQ I have nothing to say against this practice and honestly I think that this is one of the best qigong that is available in the West. But I personally regard it as good form of tao yin which can impat a lot of profound benefits to many practitioners all over the world.   

Best regards, Yauhen   

Edited March 31, 2019 by Antares
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[Astral_butterfly]

As far as I have learnt, we dream because all of our body "layers" do not live in the same place. The time when we stop dreaming, is when we are fully integrated into one body. This is not something that someone at my level of consciousness can achieve by merely willing it.

People like me still dream because we need to get to know ourselves through our different dimensional existences and our waking life doesn't reveal some of these useful facets of ourselves. 

 

I have learnt that these "bodies" keep doing what they are doing, regardless of where our frontal brain is active. In dreaming, like in any non-ordinary reality setting (like "astral projection"), the main consciousness simply shifts to get a glimpse of what the other selves are doing, which can be useful for growth. When we wake up, the self that is in the dream dimension continues to go about its life.  We can't stop that body from carrying on its business until we integrate it into our "main life".

 

So dreaming is not a verb as much as it is a condition/location/dimension/body. What stops us from dreaming is bringing every part of ourselves under the control of our frontal brain. It happens spontaneously as a natural by-product of spiritual evolution, this evolution being what we may have a degree of control over.

[Astral_butterfly]

On 29/03/2019 at 6:46 PM, Earl Grey said:

 

I wrote about this in my own ppj about mapping out familiar locations in the dreaming and my own personal dreaming map. 

 

I can only attest that the expansion of the mind and soul are infinite compared to the body. The soul work and the mind expansion occur with the right practices. It is not unlikely that Flying Phoenix plays a role in this, but how it works is highly individualistic without proper guidance.

 

More reasons to seek one-on-one training with Sifu Terry.

 

Spot on! I cannot begin to describe the soul work and mind expansion experienced as a result of the practice! I also get amused noting positive developments on everyone at home, just as foretold by Sifu Terry. Also very amusing, are the numerous synchronicities. My life is simply a joy to experience in this new state   

 

I am going to go to your journal to check out what happened with you, thanks for the heads up !

[Earl Grey]

14 hours ago, Antares said:

 

Well, I have nothing to say against Sifu Terry's opinion and by no any means I oppose " my" theory to his theory on the mastery of sleeping but I only remind you what TT says on this issue. As I can recall it Sifu Terry said a few times that FPQ is based purely on taoist teaching, so this observation is made having regard to practical reasons from taoist perspective. I just want to add that retrograde Mercury forced me to re-read many pages in this thread and and I decided to chime in and share some of my observations. I have no any desire to post it for general discussion on the TTB as I am not inetersted in it. On this forum people say what they like and what they want how it should be, for me it will be idle loss of time

 

As for FPQ I have nothing to say against this practice and honestly I think that this is one of the best qigong that is available in the West. But I personally regard it as good form of tao yin which can give a lot of profound benefits to many practitioners all over the world.   

Best regards, Yauhen   

 

10 hours ago, Astral_butterfly said:

As far as I have learnt, we dream because all of our body "layers" do not live in the same place. The time when we stop dreaming, is when we are fully integrated into one body. This is not something that someone at my level of consciousness can achieve by merely willing it.

People like me still dream because we need to get to know ourselves through our different dimensional existences and our waking life doesn't reveal some of these useful facets of ourselves. 

 

I have learnt that these "bodies" keep doing what they are doing, regardless of where our frontal brain is active. In dreaming, like in any non-ordinary reality setting (like "astral projection"), the main consciousness simply shifts to get a glimpse of what the other selves are doing, which can be useful for growth. When we wake up, the self that is in the dream dimension continues to go about its life.  We can't stop that body from carrying on its business until we integrate it into our "main life".

 

So dreaming is not a verb as much as it is a condition/location/dimension/body. What stops us from dreaming is bringing every part of ourselves under the control of our frontal brain. It happens spontaneously as a natural by-product of spiritual evolution, this evolution being what we may have a degree of control over.

 

I'd like to give a couple points here shared by some students who messaged me anonymously with their views on dream work and questions too. Sifu Terry also gave a very specific clarification as well. 

 

Starting with Sifu Terry's point on dreaming and Flying Phoenix: "Consciously doing a dream practice while in FPCK practice AND CONSCIOUSLY BLENDING IN A DREAMSTATE INTO FP consciousness is not wise. FPCK is complete and sufficient." 

 

He will clarify this, but one takeaway I see from this statement is to not do dreaming practices while in the midst of FPCK meditations.

 

I keep my own Shuigong practice separate from FP and have been doing dream practice before learning FP, and find that it improves because of FPCK. 

 

How it has worked for me personally (and I do not endorse it for others) is that dreamwork, dreamwalking, lucid dreaming--all of it can tire you out a lot because of the mental strain associated with it. The more the mind tenses, the more exhausted we get. With FPCK, the mind expands and is relaxed, and in a more relaxed state, the flow of the dream state is easier to navigate. This is the difference between rowing your galleon ship on quicksand and on water. 

 

Another comment from an anonymous FPCK student who chimed in said the following:

 

The Chinese tradition calls mind Xin, which is often more literally translated as Heart-mind. Even though the mind itself is shapeless and unbound and the physical heart not, all the valid religious traditions in the world eventually aim for the _purification of the heart_ which they often explicitly spell out. Purifying the mind and heart are exactly the same things: the heart is the emperor organ that controls our emotional responses which in turn are our primitive thought patterns. Almost all of our thoughts are in response to emotional stirrings as you may well observe. Some are very subtle, which is why total karmic cleansing can be hard work depending on the spiritual methods utilized -- wrathful tantric practices are especially meant for provoking these subtle defilements to surface, hence transforming desires via tantra is a quick path.

 

A completely peaceful and restful heart experiences no emergence of karmic desires such as lust, greed, hate, pride, and fear. This is also why practicing and perfecting De is enough and absolutely mandatory for complete enlightenment as proven by Confucius and other sages throughout the world who encouraged moral perfection.

 

When the Heart-mind remains calm because of correct view or meditation, it experiences no outflows or attachments to the Desire Realm (i.e. manifesting karmic desires), hence it simply cannot lose any vitality. Loss of vitality is always and exclusively because of desiring that springs from an unsilent heart, and the Daoist tradition says this loss happens through the bodily orifices to satisfy various desires.

As such, the argument of Antares and Daode school can be an insidious half-truth: it lacks nuance. Lucid dreaming can be very beneficial if you are calm and ethical with it, and then it will work for karmic purification as any other conscious activity in "waking" life. Flying Phoenix should work extremely well towards this end because its energy is inherently calming and rejects unethical behavior.

 

I share this above quote with as much respect to Antares and the anonymous comment from the above student and remind everyone that with all of our experiences and personal journeys, ultimately, the buck stops here with Sifu Terry, who will reply shortly after this weekend. 

Edited March 31, 2019 by Earl Grey

[Astral_butterfly]

8 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

I keep my own Shuigong practice separate from FP and have been doing dream practice before learning FP, and find that it improves because of FPCK. 

 

How it has worked for me personally (and I do not endorse it for others) is that dreamwork, dreamwalking, lucid dreaming--all of it can tire you out a lot because of the mental strain associated with it. The more the mind tenses, the more exhausted we get. With FPCK, the mind expands and is relaxed, and in a more relaxed state, the flow of the dream state is easier to navigate. This is the difference between rowing your galleon ship on quicksand and on water. 

 

This is very well put.

 

I have always been particularly at ease with non-ordinary reality, and have great clarity when it comes to navigating it. I don't force it one way or other (turning it on or off is something I thing would take equally strenuous amounts of energy).

 

What is greatly pleasant with FPCK, is seeing how my perceptions improve with no added work of my own. I am monitoring my mind, spirit and body during and after FPCK meditation knowing it is all I am doing that may induce changes. 

 

Having no other practice helps me learn in detail about the chi kung I am practising. This is the gentlest, easiest, simplest thing I have done for my growth hands down. And the least taxing energetically, I concur. I need neither to suppress nor strain my dream experience, I simply observe and take mental note. This counts also for the many states of consciousness in between, by the way. I am learning to know myself effortlessly.

 

This trust and peace I have, I never knew I could access it. I guess you could say I am increasing in faith, both in the practice itself and in my spiritual life on its own.