Ladies Only--Witch's lefthand path for kundalini

[Biff]

That I learned from Mystress Angelique probably the world's only kundalini awakened Shaman Dominatrix and proud pagan witch. I was once part of her tribe and one of her beloved priestesses.

 

Me too. But I wasn't a priestess.. lol. One time I looked into her eyes and her face disappeared. There in front of me was this older guy. I think he was her DB. I never did tell her... she scared me sometimes. But I love her.

[ShaktiMama]

here's my fan girl choice

 

 

[Vajrasattva]

Me too. But I wasn't a priestess.. lol. One time I looked into her eyes and her face disappeared. There in front of me was this older guy. I think he was her DB. I never did tell her... she scared me sometimes. But I love her.

 

 

this happened to Glenn & I faces "disappear"

[Taomeow]

yes he did. there is something we kundalites refer to as "rewiring" of the nervous system, actually the whole body, as k arises. The body must adapt to running more higher and intense "juice" or energy, specifically kundalini. The endocrine system starts to rejuvinate so people look younger. Also women who were in menopause start menstruating again with the ability to get pregnant returning.

 

It sometimes feels like my brain has it's own movements. I feel currents and pulsations. I am not alone in this. This is common.

 

In short, everything that happens with this rewiring phenomenon is to make a person an alpha out of a enormous herd of betas. We start to walk different, strut actually, we get stronger, healthier, smarter, charismatic, etc. In some sense you will get that with normal chi cultivation practices but kundalini kicks it up to another level. This is why this path is cultivated in esoteric martial arts...it makes a better warrior. Hoshin.us, Rob Williams, Soke, Glenn's spiritual heir, is committed to creating Kundalini Warriors. This was a vision of Glenn's. The claims we make can seem outlandish until you get in a room full of us. Awesome skills and abilities.

 

Glenn was a stats and research guy. If he said it raised IQ 20 points I am sure he did the field work to say so. He has an excellent test he created that shows you what chakras are prominent and which are weak but he made the test in corporate speak so he could use it in that environment. I think he put portions of the test in his last book, "quantum crawfish". He was a corporate trainer for years.

 

He and i used to talk about this dyslexic, writing problems. Was it because the k amped up our processing abilities and the body couldn't keep pace? Was it because the right brain becomes more prominent? Was it because our state of consciousness was now at a different level? Was it because we find spoken word and such inefficient and we were passing over into empath/telepath realms? We were not sure but we were contemplating reasons.

 

I find that this is one of the side effects of k awakening. I tend to think it's probably a little bit of all of it. Also, the left brain is sort of pushed aside and the subconscious comes through more often so you see a lot more Freudian slips in kundalites.

 

My writings are riddled with these characterists and can tend to the stream of consciousness.

 

 

If you read the statement below fast you will know why. (Don't read it slowly till you've read it fast.)

 

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

[rain]

If you read the statement below fast you will know why. (Don't read it slowly till you've read it fast.)

 

"Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."

 

yeh but thrs more

cause its not jst visual

its mental n emotional and physical and possibly spiritual as well

 

it just refuses to be ordered around but if beckoned to lead it will

dis appear

so I agree with Susan it has definit alpha traits but stupid is

who thinks itis a garment of a teacher of others than the self

Edited December 13, 2009 by rain

[Taomeow]

yeh but thrs more

cause its not jst visual

its mental n emotional and physical and possibly spiritual as well

 

it just refuses to be ordered around but if beckoned to lead it will

dis appear

so I agree with Susan it has definit alpha traits but stupid is

who thinks itis a garment of a teacher of others than the self

Right, tho' I was merely referring to Susan's post-kundalini grammar issues. Max has similar ones -- have you noticed his stream-of-consciousness writing style? As for me, I've always stored grammar kinesthetically (in my native tongue, which isn't English, I am physically unable to misspell a word, doing so causes stomach pain.) So it's not only more than visual for me, it's not visual at all.

 

The rest of the thread is way too jing-depleting for my taste. I remain of the conviction that women (and men ISO jing accumulation) only store it if they don't talk about it too much. Talking of sex transfoms jing into shen, and taoist alchemical ways of my liking go in the opposite direction.

 

On a different level of consciousness which I've visited, let's call it the void, I saw (not with my eyes) two paths, one of them death, the other one life, and the death path was paved with words. I'm not kidding.

[tumoessence]

For you there is a preliminary step. When I said getting a vibrator will force your body to have an orgasm--that's what you need to do first, force your body to have an orgasm. If you've tried vibrators before and they haven't worked, get this baby:

 

http://www.eroscillator.com/

 

It is the jackhammer of vibrators, that thing could give a screaming orgasm to a mummy. If it's too pricey (it's very expensive), get a Hitachi Magic Wand.

I know hitachi makes screw guns but not vibrators.

[Boris the Blade]

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Edited August 27, 2010 by Boris the Blade

[ShaktiMama]

hahahahaahahahah. how would changing the chong mai reflect in the pulse taking? Actually i have not come across literature that describes how to know about the state of the extraordinary vessels from the pulse. Is it just inferred from the subjective feeling? the relationships are so fascinating.

 

She didnt' know what specifically we were doing. She just knew where were changing the circulation in the orbits not which ones.

 

I just felt for the chong mai and ran the flow in the opposite direction.

 

Some day, if we ever meet, I will let you take my pulses and then I will reverse flow different orbits.

 

But it is simple enough to do on your own. It's all about intention and sensing which is something that Glenn and I taught.

 

The extraordinary vessels or strange flows are fascinating. Some of my contemporaries have suggested to me that these are the vessels that actually have to do with kundalini awakening.

 

I learned to feel the chong mai by sitting next to Dr. Morris. His ran like a freaking bulldozer, total power on. It's resonance entrained with mine and all of sudden mine felt like this power dozer too.

 

Glenn was an absolute chi beast.

[Non]

To be purely "left handed" is just unecessary in my opinion.

 

The whole idea of "lefthandedness" or "left hand path" is basically the use of techniques that are considered "evil" to many.

 

E.g. the use of sex magick, consuming "intoxicants", practicing unconventional methods, ritual magick, focusing on the material, using the "gut", etc.

 

There need not be a seperation as "left handedness" and "right handedness". IMO the optimal path uses the most useful of both extremes. Yes, the distinction of left handedness and righthandedness seperates a spiritual path, into extremes, and to stick to one extreme is entirely unecessary.

 

What is the real purpose of the lefthanded path? "Coolpoints" because you can do what is considered evil by ignorant peoples, and in fact, in a way disregard and sometimes even disrespect society by doing "all things considered evil and left handed, and none of what's considered good or 'right handed', conventional".\

 

The left handed path should be more about balance.

 

I mean, really it's just a simple distinction such as 'external' and 'internal', or 'materialistic' and 'non materialistic, selfish and non selfish, intuitive/logical, left brain/right brain, cortical/enteric brain. Why stick to just one? Sticking to just one can be kind of imbalanced if you dont know how to optimize such a one sided path to suit spiritual goals. Then really it just comes down to personal choice.. although it's like your working with the 'black market' or.. like how Robin Hood stole from the rich to give to the poor, only a lot of left handed path people fail to see that, and forget about ethics, desiring only power but not so much balance, or that in the end it's supposed to BE about balance and not being one-sided (ie in the case of those being in the extreme of being purely "right handed"). So why stick to just being 'left handed'? Why only do things which are considered wrong by "society" or "certain doctrines"? To be considered cool, or powerful? To fulfill purely materialistic desires? A person who is balanced I think will prevail over any one sided person. Its like "mastering the evil arts" and "mastering the 'good arts". or, "mastering the internal arts" and "external arts". Why just master one and forget about the other?

Edited December 14, 2009 by Non

[theoddore]

To be purely "left handed" is just unecessary in my opinion.

 

Hard-hitting post. As someone who has rolled with the "leftest of the left" hand paths for many years, I agree 100% with what you say. That kind of one-sidedness just can't sustain itself. It creates a massive ego-imbalance and way too much self-congratulatory posturing before too long. What is more, especially when it comes to the sexual aspects, many practitioners are merely "acting out" childhood fantasies that have gone unfulfilled while the base materials of the person's being remain unchanged, the sexual polarity is merely reversed from sexually repressed to sexual tourist.

 

It's rather like having a cake that is covered with vanilla frosting and changing the frosting to chocolate, you are still left with the same cake. The same is true with the ego-driven pursuit of the left-hand path, sure you've flipped the coin but your palm is still grasping it!

[witch]

The rest of the thread is way too jing-depleting for my taste. I remain of the conviction that women (and men ISO jing accumulation) only store it if they don't talk about it too much. Talking of sex transfoms jing into shen, and taoist alchemical ways of my liking go in the opposite direction.

 

On a different level of consciousness which I've visited, let's call it the void, I saw (not with my eyes) two paths, one of them death, the other one life, and the death path was paved with words. I'm not kidding.

 

And yet, if I don't speak, then how will women know what I can do, and how they can learn how to do the same thing? I don't give shaktipat to women, I can only teach them. Not that any of them listen to me!

 

For several years it was my job to talk about sex. It was a relief to post in this thread what I really wanted to say, rather than what I did say. The only reason I posted was because I was finally convinced it was true and universal, after reversing everything with the Shakti device. I am not telling women to do anything involving language, except for writing erotic stories.

 

I suppose rather than talking I could show women. I did try, making an ass of myself on television showing how I could orgasm. I met with Betty Dodson--she showed women what to do, I just don't think I have the fire in me to be that sort of a leader, to set fire to a woman's kundalini with my own hands on her body.

 

You really should watch the videos on this website:

 

http://www.spiritualbrain.com

 

I think what you saw is quite literally true. The left brain holds the sense of us being separated from the rest of the cosmos. It also holds all of our language. The right brain connects us to the whole cosmos--without a sense of self, the person cannot "die". I think that crown chakra orgasms somehow trigger a shutdown of the left brain completely, except maybe the left amygdala.

 

There are two ways to use words. One is as a mantra, saying a word or words over and over again until the words lose all meaning and the right brain is freed. The second is to say words with meaning, to tether the right brain. After conversing with the inventor of the device, he recommended what I have instinctively done--the latter choice. Ritual is also good for me, playing with things, having altars, the physical tactile world.

 

However, if you look at the path of death simply meaning a bad path, and the path of life meaning a good path, does it only apply to sex? Because if not, then you shouldn't even been posting, unless I'm misunderstanding. It would be difficult to restrict one's life to communication without words, but restricting communication to always be face to face where 90% of the communication is non-verbal, could theoretically be done. It would be an anomaly in the Internet age--you probably would have to join the Amish or a monastery.

 

Would no books kill me? Twenty years ago it would have been difficult. I think I could do it today. I do very much respect your opinion, more than anyone else's. I'll try it for a year and a day. NPR headlines on my homepage. One one sentence post a day on my favorite website, and no other websites. No Internet--neo-Luddite. I don't really need to say anything anymore anyhow--everything I know I either wrote in my book or have already posted here, mostly in this thread. My store of knowledge is very small!

 

As for specifically talking about sex, if this restriction was meant just for sex, I haven't been talking about it. Watching porn isn't sex, exercising the PC muscles isn't sex, taking lots of fish oil isn't sex. I don't think I mentioned it at all, except being open to having more of it.

 

Anyhow, happy St. Lucia's day, talk to you next year! Much love.

[ShaktiMama]

Hard-hitting post. As someone who has rolled with the "leftest of the left" hand paths for many years, I agree 100% with what you say. That kind of one-sidedness just can't sustain itself. It creates a massive ego-imbalance and way too much self-congratulatory posturing before too long. What is more, especially when it comes to the sexual aspects, many practitioners are merely "acting out" childhood fantasies that have gone unfulfilled while the base materials of the person's being remain unchanged, the sexual polarity is merely reversed from sexually repressed to sexual tourist.

 

It's rather like having a cake that is covered with vanilla frosting and changing the frosting to chocolate, you are still left with the same cake. The same is true with the ego-driven pursuit of the left-hand path, sure you've flipped the coin but your palm is still grasping it!

 

well said guys... I particularly like the frosting analogy. Mind if I use it?

 

Sexual tourist...aint that the truth? I was teaching at neo tantric conference a few years ago with Dr. Morris..what a mistake that was. One group rented a hummer and drove in from LA. I couldn't even begin to talk to them about Ardhanarishvara.

 

I was telling a group of senior students last night, "I eat, drink, and shit God."

 

Passionately loving Shiva with every breath I take,

Susan

[Stigweard]

[Non]

Edited December 14, 2009 by Non

[Eternal_Student]

She didnt' know what specifically we were doing. She just knew where were changing the circulation in the orbits not which ones.

 

I just felt for the chong mai and ran the flow in the opposite direction.

 

Some day, if we ever meet, I will let you take my pulses and then I will reverse flow different orbits.

 

But it is simple enough to do on your own. It's all about intention and sensing which is something that Glenn and I taught.

 

The extraordinary vessels or strange flows are fascinating. Some of my contemporaries have suggested to me that these are the vessels that actually have to do with kundalini awakening.

 

I learned to feel the chong mai by sitting next to Dr. Morris. His ran like a freaking bulldozer, total power on. It's resonance entrained with mine and all of sudden mine felt like this power dozer too.

 

Glenn was an absolute chi beast.

 

Hello Susan! Long time no speak. Its good to see you out and about!

 

Just wanted to comment on the pulse since I did have the opportunity to feel them when we met in Denver. Glenn was filming that video at the hospital....

 

Glenn's pulses were crazy. Something I had not felt up to that point. In the third position, which represents the kidneys and root qi, he had these thunderous pulses. VERY abnormal for someone his age. The heart pulse was deep and steady. He obviously kept a lot of energy in reserve. I did yell at him for his diet because his spleen pulses were a little rolling, which meant some excess damp. But he admitted that he was a fan of life! Including its cuisine...

 

Just a little comment. I'm outta here now! Nobody eat me!!!

[ShaktiMama]

Hello Susan! Long time no speak. Its good to see you out and about!

 

Just wanted to comment on the pulse since I did have the opportunity to feel them when we met in Denver. Glenn was filming that video at the hospital....

 

Glenn's pulses were crazy. Something I had not felt up to that point. In the third position, which represents the kidneys and root qi, he had these thunderous pulses. VERY abnormal for someone his age. The heart pulse was deep and steady. He obviously kept a lot of energy in reserve. I did yell at him for his diet because his spleen pulses were a little rolling, which meant some excess damp. But he admitted that he was a fan of life! Including its cuisine...

 

Just a little comment. I'm outta here now! Nobody eat me!!!

 

 

STEPHEN! How in the heck are you? Last time we talked you were sweating your way thru acupuncture school in Boulder. You were so kind to show me those Capoeira moves and let Glenn drive that sweet little car of yours. Thanks for the kindness shown.

 

Glenn really liked you. Me too. You have such clean, shining energy. Pure like a diamond. I bet you are outstanding in your practice.

 

Love and blessings to you! Don't be a stranger.

[Taomeow]

There are two ways to use words. One is as a mantra, saying a word or words over and over again until the words lose all meaning and the right brain is freed. The second is to say words with meaning, to tether the right brain. After conversing with the inventor of the device, he recommended what I have instinctively done--the latter choice. Ritual is also good for me, playing with things, having altars, the physical tactile world.

 

There's also a third way to use words. The shamanic way, tsai yoshto-yoshto, "language twisting-twisting." The way you use it is not unlike the way you use taiji -- you don't use/expend your own energy in any direct way to get things to happen, and similarly, you don't use your "exact" language and your "personal" experience. When you name things directly, it's like bumping into them, colliding with them, there's impact (normally people don't see or perceive it but I was in a shamanic situation where I did see it --)

 

-- it's like banging your head into a wall while screaming, "Wall!.." It's like banging your fists directly into a door and kicking it with your feet -- Door, Door Door, Open, Open Door! -- instead of using the key (the indirect, hidden, perfectly energy-efficient way to open the door.) And the stronger the energy of the subject matter, the stronger the impact of the words used directly to collide with it. Sex is at the core of things vital, so running into that subject head-on is going to be energetically significant. And if you're running into things not merely referring to sex but referring to your own experiences, so much more so. And to a large open audience where every "bang" resonates -- more so. Why, you must have felt it with your TV exposure -- you must have (I'm guessing, correct me if I'm wrong) felt drained, not really refreshed by the experience?..

 

Taoist traditionalists will talk about sex, oh my, will they ever. But they won't talk any other way but circling around and around and never naming names. They will talk about the Jade Stalk and the Crimson Palace. They will talk about Polishing Mirrors. They will talk about Precious Dew. On and on, language twisting-twisting, around and around and never running smack into what they're talking about. So a sexually active adult will understand immediately what they're talking about, but an innocent child may be present during the conversation and innocence won't be violated because no direct blows to reality have been delivered, instead a dance took place, a verbal dance around and around, twisting, twisting, and you have to know that the dance is symbolic of something else to know it's about something else. It's not because they are shy -- even prostitutes in China would use the language of sex poetically and indirectly, at least the not-the-cheapest ones.

 

Sacred matters have been spoken of in this manner for thousands of years. All peoples that retain some oldest written text or other can still read in them all those countless "figures of speech" -- figures of the dance. Some vague ways to use the language this way are still present in modern speech, although in modern speech they usually reek of hypocrisy rather than respect and understanding of the energetics of language (my absolute un-favorite is when they say "put to sleep" to signify they've taken an animal to a vet to be killed, to die and be dead, which if said directly sounds a bit too shocking -- "put to death." This is indirect symbolic use all right, but it never works when it is used this way in order to avoid facing the truth, to lie to oneself and/or others. Whereas calling something you love and want to express admiration and appreciation for a Precious Jade Stalk is absolutely different. It is indirect without being dishonest.)

 

So -- to your question how else you would teach women -- well, you are you and you teach them any way you like, but if I were to teach something like that, that's how I would go about it. The traditional way (as usual... )

 

 

However, if you look at the path of death simply meaning a bad path, and the path of life meaning a good path,

 

No, of course not. In this case, I was using the language quite directly. I had been put to a test that could result in my -- to switch to the indirect tsai yoshto-yoshto -- leaving this plane of existence right then and there if I made a wrong move. (Shit, "leaving this plane of existence" used by all those new age super sages... I so despise it when this is done not out of grokking the energetics of the process but out of cowardice, self-importance, a desire to impart significance to one's pronouncements and so on... fake shit... I hate this inflated language of pop-spiritual discourse! sorry, I hope I haven't offended any afficionadoes thereof, and what I just said was definitely too direct... well, I"m sure I've just run smack into something... or someone... by doing this, so consider it an illustration.)

 

So, to return to what I was talking about before the brackets, I could go either way from that test spot, into life or into death, and whatever I did, said, or thought resulted in my actually taking a step either in one direction, or the other. So I had to learn which path is which by stepping this way, then that way, and seeing the immediate results. Every word and every thought tangibly and visibly and, if I were to persevere, irreversibly... so I had to pay attention. And that's how I know.

 

does it only apply to sex? Because if not, then you shouldn't even been posting, unless I'm misunderstanding. It would be difficult to restrict one's life to communication without words, but restricting communication to always be face to face where 90% of the communication is non-verbal, could theoretically be done. It would be an anomaly in the Internet age--you probably would have to join the Amish or a monastery.

 

Would no books kill me? Twenty years ago it would have been difficult. I think I could do it today. I do very much respect your opinion, more than anyone else's. I'll try it for a year and a day. NPR headlines on my homepage. One one sentence post a day on my favorite website, and no other websites. No Internet--neo-Luddite. I don't really need to say anything anymore anyhow--everything I know I either wrote in my book or have already posted here, mostly in this thread. My store of knowledge is very small!

 

As for specifically talking about sex, if this restriction was meant just for sex, I haven't been talking about it. Watching porn isn't sex, exercising the PC muscles isn't sex, taking lots of fish oil isn't sex. I don't think I mentioned it at all, except being open to having more of it.

 

Anyhow, happy St. Lucia's day, talk to you next year! Much love.

 

Thank you, likewise -- and much love to you! maybe then we'll pick up the shred of this thread this particular cat is willing and able to play with in public.

Edited December 14, 2009 by Taomeow

[宁]

Speaking of the left hand path, tantra and kundalini... Could you (ShaktiMama, Vajrasattva, or any of Glen's students...) tell me, was/is there a relationship with a certain european organisation named MISA or NATHA?

[Boris the Blade]

She didnt' know what specifically we were doing. She just knew where were changing the circulation in the orbits not which ones.

 

I just felt for the chong mai and ran the flow in the opposite direction.

 

Some day, if we ever meet, I will let you take my pulses and then I will reverse flow different orbits.

 

But it is simple enough to do on your own. It's all about intention and sensing which is something that Glenn and I taught.

 

The extraordinary vessels or strange flows are fascinating. Some of my contemporaries have suggested to me that these are the vessels that actually have to do with kundalini awakening.

 

I learned to feel the chong mai by sitting next to Dr. Morris. His ran like a freaking bulldozer, total power on. It's resonance entrained with mine and all of sudden mine felt like this power dozer too.

 

Glenn was an absolute chi beast.

 

So much food for thought here I'll have to think about this for a while before all the various thoughts and impressions coalesce into something tangle that can be expressed in a way which represents the relationship at its essence. I will say though that i believe its absolutely necessary to study deeply on this. The mind must be fertilized with knowledge before wisdom can grow from the energy of direct experience.

 

I sincerely hope we do meet one day, and thankyou for your offer. I find it amazing that you would be open to being read in that way. I remember knowing a very old school chinese lady who had some juice and would not allow me to read her pulse or even look at her palm...completely forbidden lol. I have ideas as to why, but people are very complicated, hidden intentions take subtle eyes to see.

 

Strange flows, yes theres really something to it, but more study is needed, especially in the west(and myself). Its tricky though, the tcm culture doesn't engender open sharing of the really good information. And without direct experience of doing, it is difficult for one to have the capacity to understand.

 

Glenn was a qi beast? i think he still is!!!

[markern]

[宁]

If you have anything to do with NATHA[...]

Of course I don't, I'm asking others if they do.

[ShaktiMama]

So much food for thought here I'll have to think about this for a while before all the various thoughts and impressions coalesce into something tangle that can be expressed in a way which represents the relationship at its essence. I will say though that i believe its absolutely necessary to study deeply on this. The mind must be fertilized with knowledge before wisdom can grow from the energy of direct experience.

 

I sincerely hope we do meet one day, and thankyou for your offer. I find it amazing that you would be open to being read in that way. I remember knowing a very old school chinese lady who had some juice and would not allow me to read her pulse or even look at her palm...completely forbidden lol. I have ideas as to why, but people are very complicated, hidden intentions take subtle eyes to see.

 

Strange flows, yes theres really something to it, but more study is needed, especially in the west(and myself). Its tricky though, the tcm culture doesn't engender open sharing of the really good information. And without direct experience of doing, it is difficult for one to have the capacity to understand.

 

Glenn was a qi beast? i think he still is!!!

 

 

My response would be why wouldn't someone be open to be read that way? What do I have to hide? I am not ashamed of my Shadow. Is it something for protection against evil gui? or evil intent? My protection skills are pretty good.

 

TCM culture doesn't share a lot particularly if the practitioner received training during or post early Maoist regime. Some chinese practitioners are absolutely terrified of the word chi. The culture doesn't share a lot because they don't know or they don't care to know IMO. Also the ones who do know...if you aren't humble, forget it.

 

If you want to read some of the good books to get some info that will be helpful on what you seem to be looking for, get Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson's text books for medical gigong. I use them like recipe books. He has his distractors and, puleeeze, people do not take me to task on it. I really don't care. I only use what works anyway.

I spent over 200 hours doing his first level medical qigong practitioner training including clinical time and table work so I don't care to hear it. This community is small and inbred. I probably have heard all the negative stuff already. So from a Daoist Medical qigong/TCM viewpoint he can help you put the pieces together. He is a good gateway and his research has been valuable to me.

 

Johnson teaches how to run orbits for people if the client's is weak or dysfunctional. It's all about intent.

 

Yes, Glenn is a chi beast. I wrote that the first time and then made it past tense.

 

I will say this...when your cultivation skills and sensing skills are good enough you won't need to take pulses.

[Mark Foote]

And yet, if I don't speak, then how will women know what I can do, and how they can learn how to do the same thing?

 

Looking down, I only see the underwear I usually find myself sitting in, so I guess I can join the thread unless something comes up.

 

I am very grateful to have a thread where people talk about their experiences, of any kind, having to do with the body and spiritual practice. Happiness practice. I think we've all lived long enough to know that there's a happiness associated with being that we are not in control of, I am that I am and quite nicely too thank you, as it were. I like that voice.

 

Here's one I was sharing with a friend earlier tonight, from Foyan in the 12th century I think:

 

"You should not set up limitations in the boundless void, but if you set up limitlessness as the boundless void, you encompass your own downfall. Therefore, those who understand voidness have no concept of voidness.

 

If people use words to describe mind, they never apprehend mind; if people do not describe mind in words, they still do not apprehend mind. Speech is fundamentally mind; you do not apprehend it because of describing it. Speechlessness is fundamentally mind; you do not apprehend it because of not describing it. Whatever sorts of understanding you use to approximate it, none tally with your own mind itself." (from Instant Zen by Cleary, "Keys of Zen Mind" is the essay)

 

And to bring it back to something more Taoist, perhaps:

 

"People nowadays mostly take the immediate mirroring awareness to be the ultimate principle. This is why Xuansha said to people, 'Tell me, does it still exist in remote uninhabited places deep in the mountains?'" (ibid)

 

this is what free speech and the pursuit of happiness are about, to me, and most of all compassion. Thanks, witch, you inspire me even if I have only a practice of settling my weight low to know my breath sometimes, and I only imagine it to be a meeting ground neither male or female. My girl friend is back, hope my heart is good- love ya!

[Vajrasattva]