decreased sensitivity

[shaolin]

I have been masturbating for many years and now can not achieve an erection without manual stimulation through self masturbation.

 

I cant remember the last time I had a spontaneous erection and my sexual energy is quite low.

Even watching porn or being with a woman doesnt cause an erection until I self stimulate.

 

Does anyone think the regular masturbation can harm our natural sexual arousal?

 

Would a complete break from sexual stimulation help and how long should one abstain?

 

I know there have been many posts on abstaining from sex and masturbation , but this one is mainly concerning decreased penile sensitivity and how to increase sexual energy.

 

Sorry if Ive covered old issues.

 

Peace!

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[voidisyinyang]

That was basically the PM I got and so I responded with this:

 

Since you PM'd me I'll just respond here. The goal for qigong is to create electromagnetic fields. If you touch your weener then you create fluids because that's what the weener does. So I recommend no physical contact unless you're taking a piss.

 

As for sensitivity -- the brain is the most sensitive organ of your body. You have "charged" the word "sensitivity" with your subconscious goal to create sex fluids. Celibacy means MORE ORGASMS but they occur through the vagus nerve activating the brain -- which is the female climax. So focus on the sensitivity of your brain -- EXERCISE your brain!

 

The jing is the blissful heat. If your mind is focused on the goal to create sex fluids then your brain's electromagnetic energy will DECONVERT to jing -- you'll feel blissful heat -- and then the jing will DECONVERT to sex fluid.

 

So a perv will have his electromagnetic brain energy subconsciously STUCK in his lower sex chakra. This means his mind is weak and he constantly needs to recharge his sex energy -- and therefore he never develops healing energy. Healing ability means your subconscious electromagnetic energy is raised to the brain to open the third eye so that light can be transmitted out of the mind.

 

The perv is the opposite of the healer. So focus on the GOAL of healing -- the creation of electromagnetic fields. If you don't focus on the solution then everything else is a waste of time!

 

Most people say one thing but mean another -- this means that their electromagnetic subconscious energy is stuck in their lower chakra so they have an "ulterior" motive, erroneously thinking that others can not tell what they are "really" thinking! haha.

 

So words do not do much on their own -- what's important is reading where someone's electromagnetic energy or essence is focused in their body. To do this you can only PRACTICE -- start with a little bit at a time.

 

Sometimes it's more important what you do NOT do rather than what you do "do."

 

That's a Shawn Cassidy reference:

 

Do you believe in magic?

 

 

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[shaolin]

Its been 12 days without ejaculation now and my sexual energy is building up in my head, back of my neck, my arms which have a tingly feeling and my chest which feels like I have shallow breath but I feel agitated, frustrated and powerful, like somone has really pissed me off and Im ready to start throwing punches. I have not noticed the energy in my sexual organs yet though and usually when I get to this stage I ejaculate to feel more normal and less aggressive. Again not due to sexual desire in my genitals but to vent the energy in my body.

 

Should I continue and let my body do what it wants with the energy , or should I try to direct it to my sexual organ?

At the moment I have a feeling in my upper body , that is similar to one that a person feels when somone scratches their nails on a black board, That shiver on the back, irritation and tingles.

 

If I ejaculate, I will stay in the same non progressive cycle of throwing out energy and building it again. Its just that I get very aggressive, irritated and frustrated.

 

Any ideas from those who have experienced this and gone beyond it would be great.

 

Peace.

[gendao]

Open kua, strengthen lower back/kidneys...

The T-stretch can help with this.

 

Also, simply retaining will likely just cause sexual frustration.

You also have to cultivate and prevent sexual thoughts from arising - otherwise your prenatal jing is still getting converted to postnatal jing (and seeking release).

 

Note, this basic training is very slow and so don't expect any quick results. In fact, simply doing it for sexual reinvigoration alone is probably not going to be sufficient motivation or worth it. That would be like buying a car for the cupholder...

[voidisyinyang]

This is definite progress -- the tingling shiver sensation is the jing or electrochemical energy as it clears out blockages -- science has documented it's the activation of the opiate neuropeptides. The aggressive feeling is the built up testosterone. You need to just keep intensifying the practice to start creating the electromagnetic fields or chi energy.

 

Try to move into the full-lotus to ensure you build on your progress. Also try decreasing your food intake -- or making sure you're vegetarian, etc.

 

Its been 12 days without ejaculation now and my sexual energy is building up in my head, back of my neck, my arms which have a tingly feeling and my chest which feels like I have shallow breath but I feel agitated, frustrated and powerful, like somone has really pissed me off and Im ready to start throwing punches. I have not noticed the energy in my sexual organs yet though and usually when I get to this stage I ejaculate to feel more normal and less aggressive. Again not due to sexual desire in my genitals but to vent the energy in my body.

 

Should I continue and let my body do what it wants with the energy , or should I try to direct it to my sexual organ?

At the moment I have a feeling in my upper body , that is similar to one that a person feels when somone scratches their nails on a black board, That shiver on the back, irritation and tingles.

 

If I ejaculate, I will stay in the same non progressive cycle of throwing out energy and building it again. Its just that I get very aggressive, irritated and frustrated.

 

Any ideas from those who have experienced this and gone beyond it would be great.

 

Peace.

[shaolin]

Thank you both very much.

 

I'll try to block out the sexual thoughts and focus more on full lotus meditation.

Thanks for the stretching info.

[Aetherous]

Its just that I get very aggressive, irritated and frustrated.

 

That is energy. You have to refine it so it can transmute. Belly breathe, so that you feel calm.

[glooper23]

I'm also attempting to do this, but I don't know how long I will last. Ultimately, what will keep me going is a good reason. If I can't find any proof that not masturbating has some significantly positive result, I'll end up going back and doing it.

[voidisyinyang]

The creation of the electromagnetic healing energy works through the relaxation vagus nerve -- the parasympathetic system. When a male ejaculates he triggers the STRESS sympathetic nervous system. This is detailed in Professor Robert Sapolsky's books "MonkeyLuv" and "The Trouble with Testosterone."

 

When there's physical stimulation of the reproductive organ then this creates sex fluid which is the opposite of the goal to create the electromagnetic energy. Orgasm is from the nervous system and is not dependent on external ejaculation. When the male learns how to have internal female climaxes through the vagus nerve then the male can have enough orgasms in a row to open up the heart chakra for true love to be experienced.

 

This is the GREAT LOST SECRET CONNECTION BETWEEN SEX AND LOVE. Now in modern society love is defined by the selfish masturbatory goal of male ejaculation and therefore humans are stuck in the anger-fear-male ejaculation cycle of consciousness.

 

The Bushmen culture was the original human culture -- 90% of human history! All the males had to learn to sublimate and ionize their sex energy -- to create electromagnetic energy -- and thereby to be able to give females climaxes as much as the females wanted.

 

The bonobo pgymy chimps are also a free love peaceful society where the females are dominant, use sex to maintain a love network, and the males learn to have sex without ejaculation.

 

The magic of the electromagnetic chi energy is only after enough orgasmic bliss is built up from the internal relaxation vagus parasympathetic stimulation. As soon as the external ejaculation is triggered through the sympathetic nervous system then the switch has been flipped and the energy ionization has to start over.

 

I'm also attempting to do this, but I don't know how long I will last. Ultimately, what will keep me going is a good reason. If I can't find any proof that not masturbating has some significantly positive result, I'll end up going back and doing it.

[ShaktiMama]

This is a female opinion. File it under "What do Women Want"

 

My two cents added:

 

 

"Pornography is just 'fast-food feminine energy', it will always leave you wanting more, with little or no nutritional value. There is nothing ful-filling about pornography, it pales in insignificance to a fully embodied loving woman."

Barry Long

 

Porno and masturbation do not teach you how to fullfil and please a woman...it just teaches and reinforces to you how a hetero male (unless you like gay porn) gets off quickly. Porno trains your body/mind to respond to the female body and feminine energy in a specific way. A specific touch or visual of a woman and you spurt and your done. In my feminine opinion, masturbation + porn = LOSER especially if you are a slave to your desires and make this your life's work. I am not alone in this opinion.

 

You are training yourself for premature ejaculation or impotence because the jerk and squirt method will fail you once you are in bed with a flesh and blood woman unless this woman buys into the whole porn mythos that a superior feminine energy gets men to shoot his load quickly.

 

Unaware women buy into that whole porn mythos of what gets men off quickly and incorporate that into their mating strategies. So, in result, you see women acting and dressing (and down to young girls) like a male's dream of a porn star. It becomes a vicious, replicating cycle.

 

Both genders are under served by this.

 

 

So move your sexual practice from jerk and squirt to making love with mastery. All things in moderation.

 

The rewards are great. Hopefully, this will give you some motivation to become a master in the arts of love.

 

Here is a good books for beginners like you:

http://www.amazon.com/Enlightened-Sex-Manu.../ref=pd_sim_b_3

 

David Deida uses Doaist and yogic techniques in his teachings but refines them for use in modern times and makes them easy to understand from a meditative, seeing a woman as Goddess approach and seeing yourself as an Enlightened Lover.

[glooper23]

Interesting info. ShaktiMama - what do you think about a guy who masturbates to an image in his head, with the goal of delaying orgasm? Would you consider this person to be a loser as well?

[voidisyinyang]

Glopper23 - Sex with elves is the way to go. Whether you're imagining sex or not it's boring with humans:

 

http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide-to-sex

 

Interesting info. ShaktiMama - what do you think about a guy who masturbates to an image in his head, with the goal of delaying orgasm? Would you consider this person to be a loser as well?

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

This is a female opinion. File it under "What do Women Want"

 

My two cents added:

"Pornography is just 'fast-food feminine energy', it will always leave you wanting more, with little or no nutritional value. There is nothing ful-filling about pornography, it pales in insignificance to a fully embodied loving woman."

 

Porno trains your body/mind to respond to the female body and feminine energy in a specific way. A specific touch or visual of a woman and you spurt and your done. In my feminine opinion, masturbation + porn = LOSER especially if you are a slave to your desires and make this your life's work. I am not alone in this opinion.

 

 

 

Ya, I've always considered porn the male equivalent of female 'window shopping', bit pointless really, and the energy spurted could have been used to attract a 'real' woman.

 

I'm a bit perplexed though about your masturbation + porn = LOSER equation though, bearing in mind Glenn morris himself mentioned spanking the funky monkey in path notes and you have alluded elsewhere that he may have used it in his practice for kundalini, my memory on that is a bit shaky though, I might be wrong.

 

Edit: Drew....sex with elves!! Drew, you need to get out more often mate get off that internet man

Edited December 26, 2009 by Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that

[markern]

I think the solution is much simpler than long bouts of celibacy and energy practices and all that stuff. Just masturbate very slooooowly, touch DIFFERENTLY than you did before, and vary what you do a lot. And did I say slow. You have to be patient and acept that in the begining when you touch gently and slowly you will feel little. But once the geitals get some patient time of slow and gentle touch you will slowly start to feel much more response from little stimulation. THen you can take it even farther and realy, realy use gentle touch. Do this first for a long time and then see if you need any more of the radical suggestions given. THis is very simple. Oh and breath well while you do it. THe book breathing extacy can be of help to you.

[bindo]

I'm also attempting to do this, but I don't know how long I will last. Ultimately, what will keep me going is a good reason. If I can't find any proof that not masturbating has some significantly positive result, I'll end up going back and doing it.

There's way more to energy cultivation than not ejaculating. Everything you see, hear, smell, touch, and taste is energy. Every thought you think, every word you speak or read is all energy. Not to mention having a formal energy practice, like chi kung, hatha yoga, etc., and practicing equanimity, mindfulness, stillness, etc.

[glooper23]

There's way more to energy cultivation than not ejaculating. Everything you see, hear, smell, touch, and taste is energy. Every thought you think, every word you speak or read is all energy. Not to mention having a formal energy practice, like chi kung, hatha yoga, etc., and practicing equanimity, mindfulness, stillness, etc.

 

Surely, but does does the avoidance of masturbation (is there a term for this?) do more good or more harm? When I stopped in the past, I would go 2 to 4 weeks before I'd go crazy and have to release.

[bindo]

Surely, but does does the avoidance of masturbation (is there a term for this?) do more good or more harm? When I stopped in the past, I would go 2 to 4 weeks before I'd go crazy and have to release.

By including the practices I mentioned, it will redirect and refine the energy and your ability to handle larger and larger amounts of energy increases. So, the symptoms of aggression, restlessness, etc., are reduced if you give it some time.

 

I struggled for a long time. It wasn't until I focused on spiritual growth, rather than not having sex, that I was able to really make any real progress. If my motivation had been mostly about the physical benefits, I'm not sure I would have gone very far. I was always girl crazy and loved having sex.

 

There's definately a "rough patch" that has to be pushed thru. Most people don't make it thru and quit before the benefits start to accrue.

 

Do the best you can, and when the time is right, you'll just do it. Just know that 2-4 weeks is a very small sampling, and abstinence, even for long periods, will only give you limited benefits. The key is to work towards overcoming the sex desire as part of a spiritual practice. Then the desires will begin to fade away on their own.

 

I'm not suggesting there are no gains to be had energetically, or spiritually if one is still caught in sex desire. Just, the gains are wider, deeper, and longer lasting.

 

Having strong sexual energy is good. But you also need the awareness to see when it starts producing sexual thoughts, which leads to sexual acts. Learn to control the energy before it controls you.

[glooper23]

Thanks for the response. My problem is that I'm not grasping spirituality. I've been living a very atheistic, physical experience that made believing in spirits a delusion. So, I suppose much of my effort is focused on the improvement of my physical life - that is, my body and brain. I have a very hard time believing that there is anything outside of the physical parts of my body and brain. I struggle to believe that I will live forever, because I believe I am the neurons and synapses signaling in the brain.

 

I would like to believe in a spiritual self, but it seems delusional.

[ShaktiMama]

Interesting info. ShaktiMama - what do you think about a guy who masturbates to an image in his head, with the goal of delaying orgasm? Would you consider this person to be a loser as well?

 

Balance my dear, balance. Who is in control? You or the desire? No problem with masturbation. Masturbation is documented to keep the prostate healthy.

 

Ya, I've always considered porn the male equivalent of female 'window shopping', bit pointless really, and the energy spurted could have been used to attract a 'real' woman.

 

I'm a bit perplexed though about your masturbation + porn = LOSER equation though, bearing in mind Glenn morris himself mentioned spanking the funky monkey in path notes and you have alluded elsewhere that he may have used it in his practice for kundalini, my memory on that is a bit shaky though, I might be wrong.

 

Edit: Drew....sex with elves!! Drew, you need to get out more often mate get off that internet man

 

Dr. Morris was/is a salty old bastard who loves women. I don't think there is anything wrong with masturbation. And, yes, you can use it for kundalini development. I should have been clearer, that men who masturbate to excess and illness using porn...need help. I said LOSER for it's shock value as a lot of woman would say. It's equivalent of knocking some one up the side of the head and saying, "WAKE UP!"

 

Balance...

[shaolin]

Thanks for such great responses guys.

 

I dont ejaculate constantly, perhaps once every week, or if I abstain from ejaculation, I'd ejaculate after about 10 days ,three times. After the first ejaculation I'd think, "Ive lost it now, may as well go all out".

 

I am capable of controling my ejaculation during sex and use the big draw to last as long as I want, but I find it unnatural to fulfil my deisre with just one woman, I desire every hot woman I see , and if I could , I'd fulfil my sexual desire with them. I think this is why I watch so much porn, which has desensitised my mind and my sexual organ through long hours of non ejaculatore masturbation. Then the energy builds and builds and I throw it out.

 

Lighter masturbation technique would definatly help on the physical side, but without the mental discipline and energy work I will stay in the same cycle of stimulation, building energy, not using it right and throwing it out to stay sane.

 

Its also a mental issue, women and sexual desire are always on my mind and my desire and arousal has become a mental experience more than a physical one.

 

Im not upset or down at all, well, perhaps in some areas lol! I just want to have the strength of will to have control of myself instead of my desire controlling me and resulting in unwanted side effects.

This is the most important issue to me at the moment.

[gendao]

It wasn't until I focused on spiritual growth, rather than not having sex, that I was able to really make any real progress. If my motivation had been mostly about the physical benefits, I'm not sure I would have gone very far.

 

Having strong sexual energy is good. But you also need the awareness to see when it starts producing sexual thoughts, which leads to sexual acts. Learn to control the energy before it controls you.

I agree. The training is far too rigorous, slow & tedious to do simply in the search for power. I think only a high spiritual motivation is enough to drive you through such "mind-numbing," extreme paces...

 

So, you also have to be ready for this. I've tried meditation before numerous times in my life, and abandoned all previous attempts because my mind was too young, easily-distracted & I lacked the extreme desire for spiritual growth. When you're ready, you'll be able to do it. But if not, probably not...

[voidisyinyang]

You're dealing with subconscious issues which are STORED IN THE BODY -- so if you sit in full-lotus your subconscious issues will be transformed -- exorcised -- burned away.

 

Thanks for such great responses guys.

 

I dont ejaculate constantly, perhaps once every week, or if I abstain from ejaculation, I'd ejaculate after about 10 days ,three times. After the first ejaculation I'd think, "Ive lost it now, may as well go all out".

 

I am capable of controling my ejaculation during sex and use the big draw to last as long as I want, but I find it unnatural to fulfil my deisre with just one woman, I desire every hot woman I see , and if I could , I'd fulfil my sexual desire with them. I think this is why I watch so much porn, which has desensitised my mind and my sexual organ through long hours of non ejaculatore masturbation. Then the energy builds and builds and I throw it out.

 

Lighter masturbation technique would definatly help on the physical side, but without the mental discipline and energy work I will stay in the same cycle of stimulation, building energy, not using it right and throwing it out to stay sane.

 

Its also a mental issue, women and sexual desire are always on my mind and my desire and arousal has become a mental experience more than a physical one.

 

Im not upset or down at all, well, perhaps in some areas lol! I just want to have the strength of will to have control of myself instead of my desire controlling me and resulting in unwanted side effects.

This is the most important issue to me at the moment.

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Balance my dear, balance. Who is in control? You or the desire? No problem with masturbation. Masturbation is documented to keep the prostate healthy.

Dr. Morris was/is a salty old bastard who loves women. I don't think there is anything wrong with masturbation. And, yes, you can use it for kundalini development. I should have been clearer, that men who masturbate to excess and illness using porn...need help. I said LOSER for it's shock value as a lot of woman would say. It's equivalent of knocking some one up the side of the head and saying, "WAKE UP!"

 

Balance...

 

I understand, the tail does rather wag the dog sometimes