Female Ejaculation=Prostate Fluid

[voidisyinyang]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2022...ask.html?page=1

 

Here it is -- one of the New Scientist top articles of the year!

 

Female ejaculation is most likely due to unusually large prostate glands in females. The prostate gland happens to be right above the urethra which is above the anterior wall of the vagina -- the G spot.

[voidisyinyang]

Edited January 1, 2010 by drewhempel

[Smile]

Female ejaculation.... or my ultimate quest to find one who does that.

[effilang]

Female ejaculation.... or my ultimate quest to find one who does that.

 

Oddly enough i thought my second GF how to do this.

Most women know hardly anything about their anatomy >_<

 

How can they expect us to pleasure them if they don't have a clue in some cases? lol

Guys are easy, we just say, suck here, lick there... and were done, no diagrams required.

 

I agree there is a female prostate. It's on the front wall, after the opening and the tissue gets coarser and larger around that area after stimulated.

 

Girls have a problem getting a prostate orgasm because of that "pee" feeling. None of them want to pee in the bed and because they don't "let go", few ever achieve it. So it takes a lot of trust, but also a good explanation of what is expected before both try it.

 

Also make sure she has a wee before hand, that way it reassures her she's not gonna have a number 1 and that what she is experiencing is in fact something else... Might help her let go.

 

And if you're just figuring out where it is, it helps to ask "how does it feel here?..here?...here?" lol until u hit it : )

Just make sword fingers, palm up and feel around the top. - When you hit it and u can see her reaction, or she just lets you know how much different it is, you'll also visibly notice the flesh around her pubic bone moving on the outside as u play with it.

 

What i find more interesting though than it's existence, is it's benefit and use to the body.

It is not a small! - more like a small water dam breaking.

 

There was a really great tutorial video on how to give a woman a prostate orgasm online, using a real woman, with step by step instructions and a real prostate orgasm at the end. Give google a try.

Edited January 1, 2010 by effilang

[z00se]

I've got an even better move than a simple 'blow your load in her face' gesture. It's called The Angry Dragon.

 

Make sure the chick has 2 pony tails that you can grasp well and use to manouver the mouth until you blow in her mouth. Then pull out your member, smack her on the back of the head hard so your load starts running out of her nose and mouth.... She'll instantly be angry, and there u have it, The Angry Dragon.

 

Before you ask, no i haven't been game enough to try

[effilang]

I've got an even better move than a simple 'blow your load in her face' gesture. It's called The Angry Dragon.

 

Make sure the chick has 2 pony tails that you can grasp well and use to manouver the mouth until you blow in her mouth. Then pull out your member, smack her on the back of the head hard so your load starts running out of her nose and mouth.... She'll instantly be angry, and there u have it, The Angry Dragon.

 

Before you ask, no i haven't been game enough to try

 

............

Edited January 1, 2010 by effilang

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Edited January 1, 2010 by Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that

[effilang]

To me, coming on your girls' face or back, or titties, or feet, or hair, or tummy etc. is just a form of variation.

In the same way we vary sexual positions to increase pleasure, satisfaction and reduce repetition and boredom.

 

Between a couple who love each other, i think coming on your girls face is just an expression of love.

I think it is very symbolic and men accept it as an affirmation of a womans dedication and submission through love.

 

Demonstrable submission on the part of the woman shows a love and appreciation towards the man as a whole.

The penis enters the vagina, the gate of life opens to accept : ) - Not the other way around.

 

Socially and Historically males do the chasing, from animals to humans and the females are the ones who submit (eventually) and finally give in when the male makes an impression. - That "submission" in the animal kingdom and within our species i think is a form of gratification, acception of the man.

 

What man doesn't feel good when a woman tells him "i am yours", "have me", "take me", "do me!".

 

I think the face shot is just another form of this submission on a mini level, which is why it makes the male feel good, because it the females submission reaffirms his bond with her.

 

I don't think it is of any accident that the Japenese as Ninpo said chose the face.

What better way to represent the submission a woman experiences when she lets a man inside her body?

 

But that's just me : )

 

I think if it wasn't porn, Men would be coming on girls faces naturally at some point : )

Unfortunately because of the connotations the porn industry has acquired over the years, those things which are practiced most often in porn films are being looked upon negatively, and i'm actually speaking about some of the good stuff. The things which come natrualy (No pun intended).

 

That negativity today, is just a side effect of the "males" fondness with porn and the females inner conflict of being replaced, because the "male" inherently tries to spread his seed in nature and the woman is a temporary conquest. (In the animal world, but there are exceptions, however few)

 

The reason males are way more open and regular with porn IMO is because, if women declare it more, they in a sense agree that it is ok for a man to be "natural" with other women, and men watching porn is the closest "honest" male partners get to experiencing the primal sexual diversity and polygamy that is nature, without being scorned by society's norms and female insecurity.

 

Yes women are more open about saying they watch porn nowadays, but thats because it is "pop" and they wanna go with the flow and fit in. Most of these women are young and not in long term relationships.

 

Those women who are in a long term relationship or marriage MOSTLY (not all) frown upon it, because like i said it represents what i wrote above.

 

I on the other hand, like watching porn WITH my partners and i think it is a great experience doing it together, but it requires a certain type of woman... a confident one! - It takes confidence and love to be able to submit.

Edited January 1, 2010 by effilang

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

To me, coming on your girls' face or back, or titties, or feet, or hair, or tummy etc. is just a form of variation.

In the same way we vary sexual positions to increase pleasure, satisfaction and reduce repetition and boredom.

 

I think the face shot is just another form of this submission on a mini level, which is why it makes the male feel good.

 

But that's just me : )

 

I don't know man, plenty of women like it and have asked for it on the breasts, but I wouldn't ever try to angle for the face although I have had a few misfires on the pull out and there are a few who asked for that. There's a thin line between loving submission and degradation to me, and if you have to cajole them to do it I think it's maybe just not polite Still, I kind of see what your saying with the submission angle.... but I think that's maybe where things get a bit messed up. I dunno, to each their own I suppose.

 

I used to have a friend and she really didn't like a guy shooting in her mouth and her bf had to warn her every time he was about to blow(while she was), in any case she told me he warned her too late and as she pulled it out he blew in her eye!! She said it was f**king painful and she had to put her eye under the tap for a while. So, steer clear of the eyes whatever your preference.

 

Edit: "oh doctor your stethoscope is so cold, but I'm feeling so hot doctor!"

Edited January 1, 2010 by Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that

[effilang]

I don't know man, plenty of women like it and have asked for it on the breasts, but I wouldn't ever try to angle for the face although I have had a few misfires on the pull out and there are a few who asked for that. There's a thin line between loving submission and degradation to me, and if you have to cajole them to do it I think it's maybe just not polite Still, I kind of see what your saying with the submission angle.... but I think that's maybe where things get a bit messed up. I dunno, to each their own I suppose.

 

I used to have a friend and she really didn't like a guy shooting in her mouth and her bf had to warn her every time he was about to blow(while she was), in any case she told me he warned her too late and as she pulled it out he blew in her eye!! She said it was f**king painful and she had to put her eye under the tap for a while. So, steer clear of the eyes whatever your preference.

 

Edit: "oh doctor your stethoscope is so cold, but I'm feeling so hot doctor!"

 

I agree with you Ninpo. Although i like rough sex and all that good stuff. I am very respectable of women and i never force my partner into things without consideration for her feelings.

 

The reason why it's considered degrading instead as an act of submission to reinforce the female male love bond, is because it is a regular PORN activity, and most of that in porn now is looked upon negatively.

 

Most males nowadays who exhibit the porn type during sex, may be considered cold and unloving, specifically because that attitude is now directly related to Porn, Money for Sex - and not love.

 

The media skews everything and has destroyed many little pleasures in life.

 

As for the eyes... even water under the eyes is uncomfortable! - Doing that on purpose is not cool.

Preferable eyes closed with a smile on the face : ) - But that is love, not anything else, so it can't be asked for, it aught to come naturally!

 

The problem is, the barriers placed by the media, and social brainwashing make it harder everyday for people to "let go", some people don't even know how to love anymore or experience the most natural of human feelings, because there is so much "definition" behind it now. How to, How to not, Why you shouldn't, Why you should, Talk shows, Stupid Shows, Silly Shows - all messing with things that need no thought.

 

A waterfall needs not to be minded, or watched, or helped or contemplated, or called beautiful... It is and will be even if on its own... IMO

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

 

The reason why it's considered degrading instead as an act of submission to reinforce the female male love bond, is because it is a regular PORN activity, and most of that in porn now is looked upon negatively.

 

 

I'm keen on a bit of rough sex myself when combined with some tenderness and trust, maybe you have a point with it being viewed negatively, but I kind of remember the days when in porn a facial come shot was quite the rarity, it was so rare that no one I knew ever even considered doing it, at the time it was kind of like "what? why would you do that?". Porn definitely made it a kind of fetish thing.... obviously I cannot catergorically state no one in the history of man did it before that time. I guess if both are happy it's all well and good.

 

Edit: I think between me and you we've kind of made this the 'facial come shot' thread

Edited January 1, 2010 by Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that

[effilang]

Yeah my bad.

 

Didn't mean to hijack Drew

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Yeah my bad.

 

Didn't mean to hijack Drew

 

Na, me too!

[markern]

Young people today *sigh*..... As I understand it the facial cum shot goes back to Japanese porn(so the Japanese pornographers say)due to a law where they weren't at the time allowed to show ejaculations close to the vagina or because they couldn't show pubic hair(can't remember which), so it was simply a kind of 'artistic'(I use the term loosely, very loosely)interpretation of sorts. Then western countries picked up on it. The fact that lots of people try to do it now is quite ridiculous to some degree bearing that in mind.

 

There are very very few woman who actually want or like that, there are a few mind you, and that's fair enough....otherwise that's pretty debasing to them in my mind. I don't believe porn has little or no effect, it does have an effect...... it gives you hairy palms and makes you go blind, that's what the catholics say anyway

 

Male window shopping, as pointless as female window shopping. Both sides might disagree mind you

 

Edit: Because I love you long time.

 

Not true at all. I know a bunch of women who like cumshots in the face/mouth it and if you go to any forum on the net that has a sexual discussions section you will find that a large group of women absolutely love it. It is probably an age thing. Wether it is learned from porn or not I don`t care, there is nothing wrong with it and can be highly enjoyed by the man AND the woman. I am so tired of all the never ending whining about how girls are supposedly pressured by their boyfriends all the time to do dirty things she couldn`t possibly enjoy herself. THe fact is that girls are statisticly much kinkier than men and this has been the case througout the time period such surveys have been done. A far higher percentage of women have or frequently have fantazies that would be characherised as dirty or perverted. Fantazies about "playrape" and other types of forced sex range at the top the list consistently. Just go to any forum with a sex section and you will find a bunch of guys that feel a bit confused and intimidated after their girlfirends have requested something such as a playrape or something other really rough. Women are not precious little porcelain dolls in constant need of protection from perverted boyfirends, and I am, and so are many of them as well, tired of having them protraied as such

[Non]

my deal with pornography is that it I think it makes people more deviant. I mean, humanity had always been deviant but it was more the tyrant warmongers.

 

Pornography has no problem showing things that would be considered immoral, unethical, and unnaturally violent and abusive towards women and sexuality. For instance co-ercion, which is considered unlawful. Rape fantasies, or things which are at the line or controversial, ie, you don't know that it's rape, or sex without consent but it's just a porn fantasy so "its ok" but in real life it isn't.

 

Though this teaches the young mind that, if people enjoy in this type of material, that people act this way in the real world. That women come to expect for men to put their hands on the women without consent, and practice coercion, and to be promiscuous, immoral, deviant, etc.

 

Why does sex have to be deviant? Sex is a sacred thing, and to be associated with 'deviancy' is just wrong to me. The moment the two become associated we have taboos and repressed feelings and guilt, and idol worship

"black magic", etc.

 

Most people are ok with it because they think humans are inherently violent and cruel species but this is simply not true. Even if we were we are more civilized now and have SUPPOSEDLY outgrown unuseful stress responses and activities.

 

I also have strong feelings toward promiscuity, because I don't like my woman having sex with tons of other guys getting her sh*t worn out and sharing with me other men's detritus and fluid as well as other energies.

 

Which of course most people don't care about. It's about genetic purity and variation. We don't want inbreds because people don't know who did who, what family we come from, etc. etc. etc.

 

It's also unnatural. A mother and father have to be committed to raising their own children, and protecting them. Pair bonds are necessary for survival. That's why we developed the vagus nerve. Unless there's another way, like the bonobo chimps who's females probably have sex with tons of guys at a time, they don't care, they don't get jealous. They don't care that fluids are being shared, or that it may be 'unnatural' to see their women beat up by the amount of hardcore sex in their lives, because in the 'wild' , the first mate you see is probably the last mate you see, because you have to deal with raising the children you get from that, and life wasn't always long lived. And a fertile image was that of a pure woman who you would meet when young, when your hormones act up, etc. Chances are that would be her first time or she would be raising a child or already pair bonded with another man. But this industrial society is fecking things up and then you have poeple with strong emotional conflicts with their own bodily nature.

 

Or we could of course have a society that trained everyone like monks to just sublimate their sexual energies until the right time. That includes the women too.

 

Remember, humans are also one of the only species to have sex simply for pleasure.

Edited January 1, 2010 by Non

[Ninpo-me-this-ninjutsu-me-that]

Not true at all. I know a bunch of women who like cumshots in the face/mouth it and if you go to any forum on the net that has a sexual discussions section you will find that a large group of women absolutely love it. It is probably an age thing. Wether it is learned from porn or not I don`t care, there is nothing wrong with it and can be highly enjoyed by the man AND the woman. I am so tired of all the never ending whining about how girls are supposedly pressured by their boyfriends all the time to do dirty things she couldn`t possibly enjoy herself. THe fact is that girls are statisticly much kinkier than men and this has been the case througout the time period such surveys have been done. A far higher percentage of women have or frequently have fantazies that would be characherised as dirty or perverted. Fantazies about "playrape" and other types of forced sex range at the top the list consistently. Just go to any forum with a sex section and you will find a bunch of guys that feel a bit confused and intimidated after their girlfirends have requested something such as a playrape or something other really rough. Women are not precious little porcelain dolls in constant need of protection from perverted boyfirends, and I am, and so are many of them as well, tired of having them protraied as such

 

Really? I've been hanging out at the wrong bars then. I would imagine though any woman on a sex forum as you say obviously would be more open to it than the ones not hanging out on a sex forum. I have no doubt women aren't porcelain dolls, if that is the impression you got from my post as to my view of women you are quite wrong, that I would blame on my poor wording and not your interpretation. Rape fantasies, yes, but mention to them that the man raping them is a smelly old toothless drunk and watch their face(ya, I've said that when they've mentioned it as a fantasy)...and also remind them that as it's rape they can't say no, 'playrape'.... hmmm, play rape is not actual rape now is it? Yes the fantasy is common.

 

I didn't say 'no' women like it on the face man, or anywhere else for that matter...... I'm no missionary position guy I can assure you. Simply from my own quick 'count up' I come to my own personal conclusion, if you wanna come on your girls face and she wants it then it's none of my business man. Good luck to ya. I never said I haven't done it before when it's been requested man.

[Non]

the whole cumshot to the face thing is pretty extreme. THis society is obsessed over it.

 

It doesn't always hav eto be degrading. But when people make that a goal to pursue at ANY COST, and is done without love then it's degrading.

 

I agree, that it can be a form of submission. The man feels like a woman is so devoted and their bonds are so pure. But to really do it the way porn does it IS pretty degrading. At least the majority of porn.

 

I'm not against erotica. But porn is something else. Porn by definition means wanton, raw, brutal, crude, etc.

 

Erotica is something else. Porn is a type of erotica. But even then, porn if anything, should be educational, be performed with catharsis in mind. The actors should be careful. This is Imagery. This is media. It does have subtle control over people.

 

Really? I've been hanging out at the wrong bars then. I would imagine though any woman on a sex forum as you say obviously would be more open to it than the ones not hanging out on a sex forum. I have no doubt women aren't porcelain dolls, if that is the impression you got from my post as to my view of women you are quite wrong, that I would blame on my poor wording and not your interpretation. Rape fantasies, yes, but mention to them that the man raping them is a smelly old toothless drunk and watch their face(ya, I've said that when they've mentioned it as a fantasy)...and also remind them that as it's rape they can't say no, 'playrape'.... hmmm, play rape is not actual rape now is it? Yes the fantasy is common.

 

I didn't say 'no' women like it on the face man, or anywhere else for that matter...... I'm no missionary position guy I can assure you. Simply from my own quick 'count up' I come to my own personal conclusion, if you wanna come on your girls face and she wants it then it's none of my business man. Good luck to ya. I never said I haven't done it before when it's been requested man.

 

 

heh, only in missionary or front to front sex, can the chakras and souls meld together/unite. Or so I've read. It's also the most primal position.

Edited January 1, 2010 by Non

[Biff]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2022...ask.html?page=1

 

Here it is -- one of the New Scientist top articles of the year!

 

Female ejaculation is most likely due to unusually large prostate glands in females. The prostate gland happens to be right above the urethra which is above the anterior wall of the vagina -- the G spot.

 

I shower in that shit.

 

Going the opposite direction -- I was shocked to read that young males now think the ultimate sex is to cum on a female's face because of the internet porn saturation. After reading of some many males on taobums blithely exclaiming about their porn addictions -- this makes for fascinating reading -- albeit tragic. I call this the "trajectory of tantric technology."

 

What about women? they watch porn as well. And I have seen far worse like '2 girls one cup' etc. The big thing now in porn is ATM and stuff like roasting (ATM is ass to mouth and roasting is one front one back 'spit roast'). ATM is not in any way attractive and it is symbolic of the real issue - men degrading women. It's the act of degregation in this circumstance that is the 'turn on' and not sexual intimacy or even the pysical pleasure. It's sick. A few weeks ago someone sent me an email at work of 'fart sex' Yes that's right. People farting in each others mouths. I mean wtf?

 

I don't think that all males think this is the ultimate sex Drew. Perhaps all males under 18. Saying that if I were to watch porn I would rather seen a guy dump his man beans on a girls face then pinch off a stinky loaf in her mouth. The latter is just not sex. The boundaries are alway being pushed. After watching Avatar the other day I decided to come home and search for 3d porn. I did not like what I saw. We live in a sick world and I sometimes wonder what it would be like if it was matriarchal.

 

The sad thing is that most men will not ever experience a full body or non ejaculatory orgasms. It sure makes wanking and cumming on people (with man chowder) seem like nothing. I think every man should learn to orgasm (as far as I am concerned regular ejaculation is not and orgasm!). Just imagine if you could cum like you never have, then send that orgasm from you into your mate and back. It's amazing. Good bye stress, depression, anxiety etc when you can cum at will (no beans).

 

Think about it, of course cumming in peoples faces would be perpetuated. If every man was multi orgasmic and realized how limited and just crap ejaculatory sex is the world would be very different. This is what I mean about the whole retention thing. Once you have opened up, it is just natural!! If people say it bad to 'force' energy (MCO etc) then why 'force' retention! It like forcing yourself to be veggie when you love steak. Become one with nature first, then the good habits will naturally follow.

[voidisyinyang]

Sorry I was blushing too much and got sweaty palms trying to read this thread so you all can HAVE it. I'm not coming back.

[effilang]

I bet if a guy shot Chi out of his penis and on to a girls face and she felt bliss it would be fine, because the act hasn't been raped by media and the porn industry.

 

I bet girls would be begging for a Chi Facial - probably be like a free botox session, but we rape everything and nothing can just be anymore, it has to be labeled and defined and scrutinized and judged.

 

In fact i bet that if given the opportunity our shallow society could easily label many of Taoist practices as perverse, uncivil, sexually offensive. Just give them anything "fresh" and they will rape it.

 

It's all bull.

 

[markern]

Really? I've been hanging out at the wrong bars then. I would imagine though any woman on a sex forum as you say obviously would be more open to it than the ones not hanging out on a sex forum. I have no doubt women aren't porcelain dolls, if that is the impression you got from my post as to my view of women you are quite wrong, that I would blame on my poor wording and not your interpretation. Rape fantasies, yes, but mention to them that the man raping them is a smelly old toothless drunk and watch their face(ya, I've said that when they've mentioned it as a fantasy)...and also remind them that as it's rape they can't say no, 'playrape'.... hmmm, play rape is not actual rape now is it? Yes the fantasy is common.

 

I didn't say 'no' women like it on the face man, or anywhere else for that matter...... I'm no missionary position guy I can assure you. Simply from my own quick 'count up' I come to my own personal conclusion, if you wanna come on your girls face and she wants it then it's none of my business man. Good luck to ya. I never said I haven't done it before when it's been requested man.

 

 

Sorry if I came of too critical of you in the post it was not really my intention it was more the general girls don`t like this male perverted stuff that I am anoyed by. I was thaught to belive anything other than very cuddly romantic sex was just creepy stuff only men wanted and had to have this view unlearned by girls I encountered and female friends. I think a lot of it is an age thing.

[witch]

My two cents on this, because you knew I would have two cents on this--facials just make me sad, all that wasted vital substance dripping off on the floor instead of being swallowed! At least when a man ejaculates inside a woman's vagina, even if it is inside a condom, the energy goes into the woman. With a facial, the man is refusing to give the woman his energy. Selfish, if you ask me.

 

As for female ejaculation, although there is ejaculatory fluid that women produce (and by the way, women do not have a prostate, rather Skene's glands), women do not have that flap that shuts off the bladder when orgasm is imminent, so if a woman has a full bladder, not only will the ejaculatory fluid come out but also the contents of her bladder. So don't knock women for being afraid of the peeing feeling, because it's a real danger! The best way to get women to ejaculate is to simply expect the peeing as pee, in other words to stimulate her in the bathtub where it won't make any difference. Warm up the bathtub by filling it with hot water and letting it drain out. A fast hard tapping on the spot works best, and the first time the pressure of a full bladder will help too. I recommend beer--it fills the bladder and lowers the inhibitions at the same time. My first time it took a LOT of stimulation to get to that point, I can't remember how long it was, I think an hour. Only one in ten women are physically capable of doing it, so don't pressure someone if she's just not up for it.

[markern]

I shower in that shit.

What about women? they watch porn as well. And I have seen far worse like '2 girls one cup' etc. The big thing now in porn is ATM and stuff like roasting (ATM is ass to mouth and roasting is one front one back 'spit roast'). ATM is not in any way attractive and it is symbolic of the real issue - men degrading women. It's the act of degregation in this circumstance that is the 'turn on' and not sexual intimacy or even the pysical pleasure. It's sick. A few weeks ago someone sent me an email at work of 'fart sex' Yes that's right. People farting in each others mouths. I mean wtf?

 

I don't think that all males think this is the ultimate sex Drew. Perhaps all males under 18. Saying that if I were to watch porn I would rather seen a guy dump his man beans on a girls face then pinch off a stinky loaf in her mouth. The latter is just not sex. The boundaries are alway being pushed. After watching Avatar the other day I decided to come home and search for 3d porn. I did not like what I saw. We live in a sick world and I sometimes wonder what it would be like if it was matriarchal.

 

The sad thing is that most men will not ever experience a full body or non ejaculatory orgasms. It sure makes wanking and cumming on people (with man chowder) seem like nothing. I think every man should learn to orgasm (as far as I am concerned regular ejaculation is not and orgasm!). Just imagine if you could cum like you never have, then send that orgasm from you into your mate and back. It's amazing. Good bye stress, depression, anxiety etc when you can cum at will (no beans).

 

Think about it, of course cumming in peoples faces would be perpetuated. If every man was multi orgasmic and realized how limited and just crap ejaculatory sex is the world would be very different. This is what I mean about the whole retention thing. Once you have opened up, it is just natural!! If people say it bad to 'force' energy (MCO etc) then why 'force' retention! It like forcing yourself to be veggie when you love steak. Become one with nature first, then the good habits will naturally follow.

 

 

I disagree that stuff that is meant to be degrading can not be sexual or meant to be sexual at the same time and I disagree that there would necesarilly be anything wrong with that. Look at people who are into any sort of BDSM. Humiliation or degradation are usually a huge part of it although just pure loss of controll could be the sole focus, it all varies. People, and girls, have gotten of on stuff like that for thousands of years. If you read old Indian sex manuals you will find a bunch of descriptions about sex that included hitting the partner with sticks being very common in some areas. If you read my secret garden (I think thats the title might be wrong) a book from the seventies with a compilation of womens fantasies you would be blown back at the level of degradation and huniliation that many of them put in their fantasies. And this was at a time when there were almost no pornographic influences on these womens minds.

 

I also disagree that any sort of humilation and degradation in sex makes it sick. If you look at BDSM people they have perfectly heatlhy and loving realtionships, there has even been a few studies about their mental health which showed it to be slightly better than normal. Actually such act and such sex will often be quite tantric in that it transforms unpleasant feelings and emotions into pleasurable and good ones. Pain is transformed into pleasure and humilation into love etc. For example the act of alowing someone to humiliate you or being alowed to humilate someone can create very strong bonds. Almost all BDSM people say that after a rough session they often experience immense love for the partner and intense bonds they had not felt before. Intimacy almost always reaches new hights. This will often happen during such a session as well. The whole thing changes if it actually is about humilition and nothing else. Most people who like something like that have a mindset where they enjoy that the other person enjoys doing or being "forced" to do something they dislike. If they actually just did not like it most of these people would get just as sick as you about the thought of doing it. Martial artists love to beat each other up in the dojo despite being great friends and loving people. Are they sick? If you think what goes on consensually in peoples bedrooms is sick I would be much more worried about the 25-50% of thetaobums which aparently has beating up people consensually as a weekly hobby. I might take that up soon as well by the way.

 

Those that are really into BDSM usually had strong fatnasies about something like that when they first started to fantazise about sex, which at least ten to twenty years ago would have been before they saw any sort of porn. A lot of people also are drawn slowly towards it or develop it over years but a large group, probably the majority had such thoughts early.

 

It is also an interesting point that there is much more men who wants to be humiliated, spanked, be slaves etc. then there are women who would like to be the dominant role because most women aslo prefer the submissive role. These guys usually wants stuff done to them that beats ATM easily.

 

Also if you think ATM is extreeme then look up some of the magazines that publish eortic novels and read the ones written by women and compare it to that wrotten by men. By and large it is much, much more extreeme and kinky and I have read editors of such magazines say that several times. If you are afraid of extreeme pornography then keep women out of the porn film buisness and at least it will only be in print.

 

All such debates are always (not a generalisation but a fact) infused with the underlying premiss that anything bad or perverted that realtes to sex can be balmed on men while women are generally pure, passive and inocent while evidence contradicts the fact.

[Biff]

My two cents on this, because you knew I would have two cents on this--facials just make me sad, all that wasted vital substance dripping off on the floor instead of being swallowed!

 

Errr... Witch you freaking rock!

 

There are a few methods to helping your lady have the beaver spit in your face. The typical cum hither... I like witches tapping method. If you keep your first finger in a cum hither and the index straight you can hit the gspot and anterior fornix at the same time. For straight squirt method you might try a massage first to get her relaxed. Then there is a mudra you can use with the tapping (or up and down motion) that is shown here wonderfully by Obama..

 

 

If you are lucky and have a couple of bisexual ladies that have just tried to swallow your cock and balls whole... you might pay them back Obama style....

 

 

Make sure you do the Obama secret smile as shown in pic. then simply slide the middle two fingers in and move the hand up and down so your fingers (first and pinky) are like two soldiers jumping on the bed. It makes a lovely loud noise :-) I like giving her some face first. Treat it as a ritual. I try not to focus on her clit so I usually lick her little pink asshole for a bit (don't let her fart in your mouth..... that's just not right).

 

This mudra can also be used as a pick up for the ladies. Just look her in the eye and do the mudra. Works long distance in a crowd too....

 

 

here is another mudra you can use.....

 

 

It's called 'two in the pink, one in the stink'

 

I disagree that stuff that is meant to be degrading can not be sexual or meant to be sexual at the same time and I disagree that there would necesarilly be anything wrong with that. Look at people who are into any sort of BDSM. Humiliation or degradation are usually a huge part of it although just pure loss of controll could be the sole focus, it all varies.

 

Have you ever been in the BDSM seen? there is always a safe word... It's not just people getting hurt/humiliated. It's about learning surrender.... check out Mystress Angelique.... she will teach you a think or two :-) well she would of.... shes not doing that anymore...

 

 

 

 

 

All such debates are always (not a generalisation but a fact) infused with the underlying premiss that anything bad or perverted that realtes to sex can be balmed on men while women are generally pure, passive and inocent while evidence contradicts the fact.

 

Only grandparent think like that.... look at Sasha Grey.

[markern]

 

Have you ever been in the BDSM seen? there is always a safe word... It's not just people getting hurt/humiliated. It's about learning surrender.... check out Mystress Angelique.... she will teach you a think or two :-) well she would of.... shes not doing that anymore...

 

 

 

 

Of course, I agree. None of what I say exlcudes a safe word and learning surrender etc. I focused on the onjoyable emotions and intimacy connected to pain and humiliation, surrender would be an important one.