SIFU-ANDREAS-OLD,NEW, INFO,MO -PAI,JOHN CHANG

[Gerard]

Hi durkhrod chogori;

 

I have a number of questions which I would like to ask you. Please let me ask the first one:

 

I am planing to visit China this year. I would like to learn from an accomplished Taoist. Of of my my possibility is at Wudang. Do you have any knowledge about the course offered by Master Hu at: http://www.taoiststudy.com/content/worksho...ourse-syllabus.?

 

Thank you.

 

Hi,

 

Sorry but that link doesn't work. I have never heard of that teacher.

 

Learn mandarin or you will have lots of doors closed unless you are highly proficient at IMA.

[Gerard]

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Edited January 10, 2010 by durkhrod chogori

[Reader]

Creation,

 

Thank you for the information.

 

Durkhrod chogori,

 

Any accomplished master in China that you recommend?

So no Zhan Zhuang for you anymore.

If you can share, what sitting practice you are using?

 

Is there any Tao Bums member who has taken the workshop with Master Hu and would like to say a few words?

[Gerard]

Sorry I am not authorised to give any details. Learn mandarin, go to China and start looking. Good luck.

[enouch]

Hmmm. That's way I recommend staying away from anyone displaying siddhis either in public or in private unless is to help people in distress and without seeking material gain. J. Chang fucked up and so did Andreas. So my advice is look elsewhere; you actually should starting looking into yourself instead of relying on others. You are your own master.

 

 

 

 

 

J. Chang fucked up and so did Andreas.

 

 

 

WHY? What do you mean?

Edited January 10, 2010 by enouch

[Reader]

Durkhrod chogori,

 

Thank you for your advices. I will see what I can do about that.

 

I particularly like your following post:

 

So my advice is look elsewhere; you actually should starting looking into yourself instead of relying on others. You are your own master.

 

Kind respects.

[UTI]

Hadn't read that thread about mo-pai before (yes, had a period of obsession a while back), was amusing seeing something new about it until it derailed into a poop-slinging contest. Strange how discussions about that stuff always does. Should be a preetty obvious sign to take a step back, really, when something only attracts insults and secrecy.

 

I wonder what subconscious door it is that makes it so attractive... is it the stories of star-wars-like powers, or the whole "you can't have it" thing? Or that people keep popping up saying "I'm level this, I'm level that", like cultivation is some sort of RPG? I could mess myself up all over thinking about this stuff...

 

Back into emptiness, away from the madness.

[enouch]

Hadn't read that thread about mo-pai before (yes, had a period of obsession a while back), was amusing seeing something new about it until it derailed into a poop-slinging contest. Strange how discussions about that stuff always does. Should be a preetty obvious sign to take a step back, really, when something only attracts insults and secrecy.

 

I wonder what subconscious door it is that makes it so attractive... is it the stories of star-wars-like powers, or the whole "you can't have it" thing? Or that people keep popping up saying "I'm level this, I'm level that", like cultivation is some sort of RPG? I could mess myself up all over thinking about this stuff...

 

Back into emptiness, away from the madness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is everything you wrote and more. The more is the objective external evidence that acompanies valid displays. It's like finding proff that God is real! In modern culture[western world]all paths are suppose to be equal, pluralism is the order. More pie guy, got into a huge debate merely saying peole like Wim Hoff, John Chang, and proven others are on a different plane from average western magic practitioners. People get scared if their path is not as certain as others. Read the holy books of the earth and you can discern that.

Edited January 11, 2010 by enouch

[Gerard]

OK I shouldn't say this but I will, damn the Taoist tradition of secrecy. There are true adepts of the Way in China today. Taoists far more advanced than John Chang and all these humans that are deluded by power (one of the four enemies...remember?)

 

Back to the post:

 

1. Stay away from Wudang Mt.

 

2. Can't give more clues.

 

All the best in your quest.

 

Edited January 11, 2010 by durkhrod chogori

[Reader]

OK I shouldn't say this but I will, damn the Taoist tradition of secrecy. There are true adepts of the Way in China today. Taoists far more advanced than John Chang and all these humans that are deluded by power (one of the four enemies...remember?)

 

Back to the post:

 

1. Stay away from Wudang Mt.

 

2. Can't give more clues.

 

All the best in your quest.

 

 

Very much appreciate your advice.

[zhoupeng]

Mo Pai is a unique case in a lot of ways; it is perhaps the first time an accomplished practitioner has stepped forwards and allowed his abilities to be documented in public. While John Chang's decision to do this is his own, it does have wide ranging repercussions on a lot of people, as discussions on this site are clearly proving. Firstly, it led many people (especially internal martial artists) to examine their own practices to see whether they were actually legitimate as what we see John Chang do is simply not common in humans. Secondly it inspired many to seek out training to achieve the same abilities; this is a perfectly normal human reaction and when we look around us we can see that people who are successful in sports or business are almost always de facto role models for others who aspire to similar goals. Aspiring to achieve what you want in order to improve yourself is not shameful either and no one needs to be shy about it.

 

But then there is the curveball: John Chang is no longer teaching. Again, his reasons for this are his own and it is no business of anyone else's to demand that he does.

 

The fact that John Chang is not teaching is not going to dampen the enthusiasm of those who seek the same type of training, however. It is clear that there are other highly achieved practitioners in the world who are capable of similar feats, but it is just that they do not have the same publicity. They might also be uninterested in teaching. But this is not going to stop dedicated people from seeking training. The difference between a consumer and a seeker is vast- a consumer will only buy what is available on the market, a true seeker will go to the ends of the earth and will do what is required to obtain the object of his Quest.

 

Rare and specialised training is way for a reason: sometimes it just can't be bought with money at a store or a seminar. It often has specific requirements from aspiring trainees that aren't public knowledge but nevertheless need to be fulfilled for the aspirant to be considered for training. If someone is completely sure that a certain teaching is what they want, then they have got to be willing to give anything to get the required information, work on themselves so that they fulfill those requirements in order to be considered for eligibilty, and keep searching for a master. The path is not clear but that doesn't mean the first step isn't.

 

Here is a suggestion for a good first step:

DO NOT listen to any jealous haters or faceless internet goons who say whatever it is you want to do with your life is impossible, wrong, illogical, dangerous, for "low level people", not teh Point, bad for your ego, not Your Destiny (how do they know anyway?) etc. Also don't waste your time arguing with them because that isn't the point either.

 

Instead: Just put your headphones on, play your favourite music, grin broadly, and Walk the Path of Your own Choosing with endless determination and optimism.

 

Good Luck to Everyone.

[Gerard]

...It is clear that there are other highly achieved practitioners in the world who are capable of similar feats, but it is just that they do not have the same publicity. They might also be uninterested in teaching. But this is not going to stop dedicated people from seeking training...

 

OK. In order to keep the good spirits of those seeking true masters today, there are there but you need to find them first and be accepted as a student second. They will teach you if you are deemed legit, and of course according to the strict rule of yuanfen which all Chinese taoists are binded to. There is no exception to it.

[enouch]

OK. In order to keep the good spirits of those seeking true masters today, there are there but you need to find them first and be accepted as a student second. They will teach you if you are deemed legit, and of course according to the strict rule of yuanfen which all Chinese taoists are binded to. There is no exception to it.

 

 

 

I'm curious you mentioned thailand, another tao bum mentioned meditation masters living in thailand with abilities similar to John Chang. Care to elaborate? Or share any stories?

[Creation]

OK I shouldn't say this but I will, damn the Taoist tradition of secrecy. There are true adepts of the Way in China today. Taoists far more advanced than John Chang and all these humans that are deluded by power (one of the four enemies...remember?)

 

Back to the post:

 

1. Stay away from Wudang Mt.

 

2. Can't give more clues.

 

All the best in your quest.

 

durkhrod,

 

I know you said you can't give more clues, but I really wonder about something. You say stay away from Mt. Wudang, but you seem to respect the Bee Daoist, and I gathered that he lives on Wudang. So, what gives?

 

Dao Zhen had some funny stories about how tourist centered the place had become, but that doesn't mean there aren't high level people there (Bee Daoist being a case-in-point). As far as I'm concerned the question is not will you find a fully accomplished immortal that will teach you there (as you say, that is yuanfen anyway), but can you get better instruction in authentic Taoism there than anywhere in the West?

Edited January 12, 2010 by Creation

[gendao]

Durkhrod chogori,

 

Any accomplished master in China that you recommend?

So no Zhan Zhuang for you anymore.

If you can share, what sitting practice you are using?

 

Is there any Tao Bums member who has taken the workshop with Master Hu and would like to say a few words?

Wow, what's "wrong" (or not so great) about zhan zhuang?

[zhoupeng]

I'm curious you mentioned thailand, another tao bum mentioned meditation masters living in thailand with abilities similar to John Chang. Care to elaborate? Or share any stories?

 

Thailand, and the neighbouring southeast asian countries for that matter, are known to have ascetics and hermits practicing their path of spirituality in remote forest/mountain areas. In Thailand specifically these are either Buddhist Monks or Brahman Yogis, who are called Rhe Sri in the local language. Some of them have been known to have spiritual powers.

 

These people avoid the public eye and do not generally speak to anyone, let alone teach, let alone teach a foreigner. Being hermits, they are also uninterested in money and communications technology. They most probably do not speak english either.

 

Given this lifestyle most of their teaching is likely to be oral tradition or teachings from non physical sources. Finding them will be very difficult and convincing one to take you on as a student will be a herculean task requiring nothing less than moving to Thailand, learning the language, and commiting to a long term hermit lifestyle yourself.

Please do not let this stop you if that is what you want to do.

 

On a different note, other than the hermits there are other occult practitioners who practice various forms of local witchcraft/demonology/necromancy with pseudo buddhist overtones. They may be somewhat more easy to locate but bear in mind that they do not generally make spiritual development their goal.

 

There you go, hope that helps. ^^

[Reader]

Wow, what's "wrong" (or not so great) about zhan zhuang?

 

Hi Votex,

 

There is nothing wrong with Zhan Zhuang (ZZ). ZZ is always good. I learned a number of things about ZZ from durkhrod chogori's writings.

 

I maybe wrong here but I think durkhrod chogori practiced ZZ for 4-5 years and got what he needed. He then moved to more advanced practices. That is why I would like to know what he is up to lately?

 

Your Tao Buddy.

[Reader]

[gendao]

[Biff]

Awesome article, THANKS!!! Actual information and not people just shooting their mouths off at each other. Nice pearls like this are why I still <3 TB!

 

Anyhow, if it takes 81 hours (4860 minutes) of complete meditation to fill the dantian...and most people only reach that state 3 minutes/hour...that totals 1620 hours of meditation to complete level 1. At "just" 3 hrs/day...that would equal 540 days or 1.5 years. Real reality-check there!

 

I'm curious though...where do opening the microcosmic & macrocosmic orbits and kundalini happen in MoPai?

 

In the beginning the goal is to fill the DT and not let it spill into the orbit. It may well when your getting close. The main difference between the level one here and MP is the mudra. Level two is not just compressing but opening channels. That is quite an interesting article indeed. But due to it's nature and the way it's presented I would not bother with it unless you being taught directly. And I don't mean via email or some shit like that.

 

I'm not an authority BTW just commenting.

[fizix]

Oh wow, someone finally dropped the mo-pai-anti-christ-manual bomb. Sorry Vortex, but as an overall entity, that article is more misinformation than information. I feel obligated to warn whoever it may concern that it may be dangerous to practice this warped system of nei kung, but this is NOT the Mo Pai system. If you read more of this "Anti Christ" manual, whoever wrote it, well, I would be surprised if someone did not see the gist of that thing a reason for concern. Even if to say an inkling of that information is true to Mo Pai, I know no instructor who would recommend practicing only 30% of an overall system, let alone not only practicing the 30% that may be correct, but the other 70% that is total horseshit in addition to it, like this anti christ garbage. However, if one practices a system familiar to the anti-christ outlined "system", I mean no disrespect to the alleged stream of practice(s) itself, just the mere fact that it is not actually Mo Pai and the credibility of the author in terms of qi gong.... well, I'll leave that to your own devices.

 

edit: quick edit, I noticed the emphasis I put on the fact that this isn't the Mo Pai system, then remembering that he states that himself.. my qualm, however, is with the author stating that this 'system' will give similar results, as this in fact, is total lunch meat.

Edited January 12, 2010 by fizix

[Orochi]

I've corresponded with the individual who wrote that article. It is interesting, and I am not sure where he learned taoist practice. But he said that after writing that book, he got a heart attack from the ( MoPai) practices which he theorizes of in that article, which forced him to change his outlook on it. It certainly is risky when you have no master present to gauge your energy.

 

 

On another matter:

 

An interesting point that Kosta writes in his "Warrior Sages", is that according to him, MoPai meditation does not involve any kind of mantra use or visualization. I can perhaps understand the exclusion of mantras, but even simple pranayama requires a degree of visualization and concentration.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Orochi

[billb]

just wondering who is the author of this manual and what is it about this practice that makes it antichrist?

[fizix]

just wondering who is the author of this manual and what is it about this practice that makes it antichrist?

There's nothing 'antichrist' about this alleged practice itself; the detailing of it is simply in an e-book called the "antichrist" training manual. The author is Raymond Holder. Feel free to amuse yourself:

http://openlibrary.org/b/OL8430182M/THE_AN...TRAINING_MANUAL

[sabretooth]

I think it will take a few year's to achieve the first three level's.

If you remember david verdessi saying you should meditate at least 2 hour's a day if not four , if I remember correctly.

Does anyone know andreas web site.

 

 

sabretooth.