Tao Bums Moderation And Steve

[New Dawn Fades]

him back after he serves his suspension

 

I'm not suspended.

 

I do, however, think that if you polish off your glass bellybutton that you would see more clearly. I wonder sometimes if you really believe that stuff you write or are you simply trying to spin it via distortions? Be honest now ... if you can.

 

I got the cast taken off my wrist so I have a lot of work to catch up on, but I have plans ... for here ... be patient.

Edited January 11, 2010 by New Dawn Fades

[joeblast]

huh. was under the impression appropriate action had been taken, but I guess not.

 

I'm not sure what you think I'd be getting out of spinning up a story that differs from what transpired. I'm not sure how you look back on what transpired, or why you ignore the fact that you never wanted to get out from behind your computer and only said you were amenable to the idea of meeting max after a few people asked you what you were afraid of...but then before anything happened you'd changed your mind and tossed out more baseless insults - all before chris and max had even set any sort of schedule.

 

so whatever, go ahead and try to tell a tale of different events

 

if you didnt act like an adolescent then the vitriol would never have occurred - are you at least going to own up to that?

[New Dawn Fades]

OK, so you really do believe your distorted impressions, this is to be expected. For your information, unlike you I can see both sides of the Max/Kunlun story quite well. I normally spin it one way to show people the 'other' side of the story, and the reactions of some of those who would be hurt by seeing the truth of that side is illuminating so I like to 'bring it out'. They bait me with lies, I bait them back with truth, I won

 

huh. was under the impression appropriate action had been taken, but I guess not.

 

Appropriate action would be to ban Winnie.

Edited January 11, 2010 by New Dawn Fades

[三江源]

OK, so you really do believe your distorted impressions, this is to be expected. For your information, unlike you I can see both sides of the Max/Kunlun story quite well. I normally spin it one way to show people the 'other' side of the story, and the reactions of some of those who would be hurt by seeing the truth of that side is illuminating so I like to 'bring it out'. They bait me with lies, I bait them back with truth, I won

 

 

 

Appropriate action would be to ban Winnie.

 

My vote is we leave the bait to moulder away on the forum floor.

[New Dawn Fades]

My vote is we leave the bait to moulder away on the forum floor.

 

Actually Cat, I agree with you and have a plan to circumvent it, I know before I start that when we tangle with turds it's unavoidable to get some crap on ourselves, I mean, I and me =). You know, sometimes it's tough to ignore people when they say things like I fantasize about hitting women. I was advised by a very wise lady I know to just agree with them, those who can see will see through it, those that can't never will, and they deserve the fruits of it.

 

What I'm thinking of doing is put all the pieces of the puzzle together in one post, and it will need to be a really long post. It will be a lot of work, but in the long run it will be less work than playing chess with the weenies. The problem is they will distort what I say, even if I am careful and try to cover all the bases thoroughly.

[Mal]

What I'm thinking of doing is put all the pieces of the puzzle together in one post, and it will need to be a really long post. It will be a lot of work

 

Well you have about a week before we merge this and reopen the thread (depending on how things look) so get to it, BTW I note

 

I will write the last explanation I had in mind,

 

I really hope it is the last.

 

Also mate please try to keep the little jab insults out of your posts. You are on the tiniest leash imaginable with regards to your behaviour. OK?

[New Dawn Fades]

Well you have about a week before we merge this and reopen the thread (depending on how things look) so get to it, BTW I note

I really hope it is the last.

 

Also mate please try to keep the little jab insults out of your posts. You are on the tiniest leash imaginable with regards to your behaviour. OK?

 

 

OK, I'll cool it with the little jabs. It doesn't really matter when I get around to the big post, I'll just start a new thread with it and/or link to it in a blog or something. I got to get to work!

[Owledge]

Also mate please try to keep the little jab insults out of your posts. You are on the tiniest leash imaginable with regards to your behaviour. OK?

Although this gives us a good impression of his state of mind. You are basically advising him to conceil that aspect of his character, but this would enable him to be more efficient at rhetorics and acting. We are lucky that he doesn't seem to be bright enough* to have figured this out by now, because otherwise he might end up in politics.

 

*Or he is aware of this and is simply so convinced of his standpoint that he thinks nothing can tarnish it.

 

In the end... I don't understand why it should be necessary to continue a dispute. First: What has been said up to this point presents an insightful picture, and second: This makes it clear that any effort to cause any change in NDF is futile. We are seeing strong belief here, and as you might know, facts have no place in the realm of belief.

 

As I noted previously, for me probably the only thing that has the potential to create any further, somewhat new insight that has not occured yet would be a no-rules mudfight in The Pit. We have studied those peculiar creatures in the lab, now we have to observe them in freedom in their natural habitat and gather more data.

Don't worry, you can always locate them by setting your tricorder to a wideband BS spectrum.

 

Don't take life to cereals!

 

 

 

P.S.:

Your avatar shifted from elemental practice to bagua zhang!

There's no practice whatsoever in my avatar. It simply shows a twisted, screwed owl.

One pretty crappy owl movement, if you ask me.

I mean... that owl not only totally screwed up, but also down again.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Hardyg

[Mantra68]

I know Steve wouldn't have the rocks to utter a peep of his baseless slander to mine or Max's face.

 

This is the very funny bottom line that makes me smile when he writes about us.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Mantra68

[New Dawn Fades]

Outstanding imagination you have! Congratulations. Come and see me in Seattle any time.

[joeblast]

I normally spin it one way to show people the 'other' side of the story, and the reactions of some of those who would be hurt by seeing the truth of that side is illuminating so I like to 'bring it out'. They bait me with lies, I bait them back

If you need to 'spin' in order to try and 'show' another side of the story, then obviously simply stating the truth doesnt cut it. Write your fiction and leave discussions alone that you cannot contribute anything remotely useful to.

[Marblehead]

I will allow myself to be banned for one 24 hour period if that would help desolve this problematic situation.

 

 

Peace & Love!

[-O-]

Sorry you feel that way as I have enjoyed your posts.

 

So how would you stop it turning into a bar room brawl and back into a pond?

 

 

 

Well what I meant about the Koy pnd wasn't about a peaceful envirounment... rather, when you drop handfuls of feed, the koy all scramble around and over each other - any context beyond a zen like garden -this would be seen as violent... so I guess I see alot of the nonsense at TTB more like the violence of a koy pond...

 

 

 

Like any relationship clear boundaries need to be defined before engagement - and clear means not open to much personal interpretation... I don't think posting pictures of someone in any context is appropriate, that is a matter of privacy - not offended sensibility - but I also don't think posting a persons real name is appropriate either for the same reason... and boths sides of the KL debate have done that... I don't think porn should be posted either... but that is because I don't want my daughter to see it if she walks into the room while I'm on the board....these are all personal preferences and irrelevant to TTB.

 

 

 

I think sometimes a persons juvenile behaviour could be seen "on topic" - not in the words they write but in their reactions to others words. This is what raises the conversation beyond intellectual masterbation into a real interaction between "persons" - where the whole "person" is aloud to be expressed - whether positive or negative. So I guess my turn off hinges on that...

 

 

 

Anyone can offend without using harsh language or base tactics and anyone can post a seemlingly "on topic" post which is intended for completly different purposes - The Avatar post is a good example of how old school forum trolling was done for marketing and commercial purposes in the 90's. (Maybe Drew can take a note from that page.) Avatar has nothing to do with Taoism and the connection of that to KL is weak if not outright delussional... will that sort of thing be deleted eventually as spam?... So where is the line? It really is up to you, and what personality you want for this board...

 

 

 

The thing about trollers is if you don't participate they die off. And when they jump onto a post or start a topic - their posts are given life by those who jump into to defend against them - so the people interacting with NDF or Findley or who ever is considered in that camp are just as at fault for propagating the behaviour (IMHO).

 

 

 

These guys may have an agenda (which might be nothing more then to entertain themselves with peoples reaction) - And I think that should be allowed, just as defending or promoting is allowed...

 

 

 

Honestly I think just moving the offending topics into a free or all section is appropriate...

 

 

 

I find if you treat people like children then they will start to behave that way, if you treat them with respect (even if the don't deserve it) they may start behaving that way.

 

 

 

Many have moderated themselves - just as I have delete most of my posts because it offended (or threatened) the KL camp. And in that I was able to decide what I was going to do with words I wrote; to take it all down including the post which supported them (if you can take the critism then you don't get the support)... so I think to some extend people do or will moderate themselves....

 

 

 

But I do have an issue with editing peoples expression - whether I agreed, disagree, or am offended by that expression... I don't know Mal - it's not a job I would want - that is for sure!

[New Dawn Fades]

I normally spin it one way to show people the 'other' side of the story, and the reactions of some of those who would be hurt by seeing the truth of that side is illuminating so I like to 'bring it out'. They bait me with lies, I bait them back

If you need to 'spin' in order to try and 'show' another side of the story, then obviously simply stating the truth doesnt cut it. Write your fiction and leave discussions alone that you cannot contribute anything remotely useful to.

You miss my point (again). By 'spin' I don't mean I make things up. I mean I point out FACTS that you guys want to or have to overlook, in addition to other evidence which blends so well with the facts they also seems certain. Then you use the facts and the evidence to paint the big picture. That's what spin means to me. OK?

[Owledge]

I think it is alright for Winpro to post the real name Steve Gray and pictures at The Tao Bums, because there are links in this forum where they are publicly accessible, via his website. I mean Starjumper's website.

 

 

That's what spin means to me. OK?

That's what spin means to me:

 

Edited January 12, 2010 by Hardyg

[-O-]

I think it is alright for Winpro to post the real name Steve Gray and pictures at The Tao Bums, because there are links in this forum where they are publicly accessible, via his website. I mean Starjumper's website.

 

 

 

That's what spin means to me:

 

 

 

 

Doesn't mean the person wants their publically published name to be published here. Was it okay for Steve to publish Chads name here although it is on the PA site... It is a matter of privacy. I am an online professional. My name is published in that context. I don't want clients asking me questions about Taoism or meditation when I am trying to pitch business. It is my choice and at least in Canada I have a legal right to protect my identity. If I chose to not have my name published on this site - then I have my reasons and others should respect that...

 

 

 

If we are talking about censoring juvenile behaviour - there is a whole miriad of things to be considered like this, which can have far greater consequences then throwing f-bombs and insults at each other.... which makes the task of moderation nearly impossible....

 

 

 

I wonder if there is a legal right to sue either the poster, or TTB if a published name resulted in lost revenue... that is a whole other area of moderation. And if I had the task of defining guidelines and terms of usage - I would start there.... insults and juvenile behaviour is minor.

 

 

 

 

 

...so as a user, knowing the wild wild web, I know that if I participate here there is a chance that some D#$khead may post my name - and that is a risk I take on when I decide to post.... just like I take on the risk of being aggrevated or offended... We are all gorwn-ups - doesn't mean we are obligated to always act that - but it does mean we have the option to "be grown up" or "be a d#$khead" - and I would prefer that option over censorship anyday... I would like to have the option of calling someone a D#$khead - if they are behaving that way.

[Owledge]

Doesn't mean the person wants their publically published name to be published here. Was it okay for Steve to publish Chads name here although it is on the PA site... It is a matter of privacy. I am an online professional. My name is published in that context. I don't want clients asking me questions about Taoism or meditation when I am trying to pitch business. It is my choice and at least in Canada I have a legal right to protect my identity. If I chose to not have my name published on this site - then I have my reasons and others should respect that...

Online professional ... strange term. But I know what you mean.

It's simple: When you use things, you should be qualified to use them. It's your choice. So when you have a commercial website and you like privacy and thus don't want the info there so seep into an internet forum, then you should divide business and private activities by not posting photos that are stored on your business webdomain. Especially considering that these days webspace costs from nearly nothing to really nothing.

You can't even call it superficial data-mining, because it's no accident when you do something like that. It was voluntarily and obvious. You know, having a desire for privacy logically creates a certain sense for privacy.

And then, it is still a difference whether someone publishes your real name for the malevolent fun of it or because you behaved in a way that triggered this and many other things.

[-O-]

Online professional ... strange term. But I know what you mean.

It's simple: When you use things, you should be qualified to use them. It's your choice. So when you have a commercial website and you like privacy and thus don't want the info there so seep into an internet forum, then you should divide business and private activities by not posting photos that are stored on your business webdomain. Especially considering that these days webspace costs from nearly nothing to really nothing.

You can't even call it superficial data-mining, because it's no accident when you do something like that. It was voluntarily and obvious. You know, having a desire for privacy logically creates a certain sense for privacy.

And then, it is still a difference whether someone publishes your real name for the malevolent fun of it or because you behaved in a way that triggered this and many other things.

 

 

 

(Don't see what is so strange with the term)... well you are only refering to Steve, what about Chad, or me or Mantra, or Gloria - all have been "outted" - Regardless of behaviour or malevolent fun - I particularly don't respect the action... any way I was giving it as an example (and now that I read my post it isn't obvious) at a guideline which isn't opened to much interpretation... you post someones name - then a moderator will pull the name with a note that they have done so.

 

 

 

... and also as an example where real damage can be done with these fun and games... generally our opinions are just that, 'ours' and anyone who takes that information can take however they will - so with editing peoples post for that kind of content I find to be close to censorship... however posting someone elses information - like there name, address, what have you is another matter altogether and may warrant a moderators action... same for copyrighted material etc.

 

 

 

I find it interesting that people are upset about juvenile tactics and yet gloss right over actions which are illegal in some parts of the free world.

[Owledge]

I find it interesting that people are upset about juvenile tactics and yet gloss right over actions which are illegal in some parts of the free world.

1) Which specific actions do you mean?

2) Where are they illegal?

3) Please define which areas and/or countries - in your view - apply to the term "the free world". Does it equal "international community" and "civilized countries"?

Edited January 13, 2010 by Hardyg

[New Dawn Fades]

I think it is alright for Winpro to post the real name Steve Gray and pictures at The Tao Bums, because there are links in this forum where they are publicly accessible, via his website. I mean Starjumper's website.

Doesn't mean the person wants their publically published name to be published here. Was it okay for Steve to publish Chads name here although it is on the PA site... It is a matter of privacy. I am an online professional.

It is clear that Winpro posted my name and a lot of out of context quotes from me specifically to make me look bad and hurt my business. (BTW I changed my screen name mainly because I like and PREFER the new name). Earlier when I was posting as Starjumper I mentioned my teacher and realized it was a mistake because some people here have this manic phobia, they need to check out other people's teachers, so when I realized this I deleted all mentions of my teacher from my website, but somebody found the info in a cached older page and blasted it across the forum.

 

Also, what Hardyg said about my links here to my website info is a lie or misleading. I specifically do not have any links to my website on this forum under either screen name and I never mentioned my teachers name until Winnie started blasting it all over the forum, again, specifically to try to produce any harm that he could, emotional or financial, which is a recurring theme with him. If there are any links to my forum it's probably because the freak, winpro, has put them in here somewhere, I haven't seen them and would rather not have them published on this forum.. He has obviously studied my website intensively because he uses info on it whenever possible to try to make me look like a liar.

 

Also, I did not publish Chad Newcomb's name on this forum, it was some other poster who provided that info on the 'being banned' thread, and i simply thanked him for it because I was wishing for it, and I quoted the post a couple of times to make some points.

 

If I chose to not have my name published on this site - then I have my reasons and others should respect that...

 

I wonder if there is a legal right to sue either the poster, or TTB if a published name resulted in lost revenue... that is a whole other area of moderation. And if I had the task of defining guidelines and terms of usage - I would start there.... insults and juvenile behaviour is minor.

 

Interesting, I will look into the idea of taking legal action. If anyone has any more infor about the legality of the above please add your information. Thanks.

Edited January 12, 2010 by New Dawn Fades

[Owledge]

Be right back

Interesting behavioral detail, creating a post with quotes, but delaying a reply. Probably has something to do with ego, with self-aggrandisement, although I'm not sure. It's too vague to draw specific conclusions. But it's interesting to watch. There are several quirky actions like this in the closed thread that all match the same kind of mindset.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Hardyg

[New Dawn Fades]

Interesting behavioral detail, creating a post with quotes, but delaying a reply. Probably has something to do with ego, with self-aggrandisement, although I'm not sure. It's too vague to draw specific conclusions. But it's interesting to watch. There are several quirky actions like this in the closed thread that all match the same kind of mindset.

I simply wanted to put the two quotes from different people together and then keep them together on 'hold' while I wrote my reply so that some nut job wouldn't jump to conclusions and say something stupid about it before I was done writing what I wanted to say. Looks like I had the right idea.

 

... and I DO realize I'm an idiot for having a dialogue with you.

Edited January 12, 2010 by New Dawn Fades

[Owledge]

There are several things you wrote that I'd like to comment...

 

"BTW I changed my screen name mainly because I like and PREFER the new name"

You can't even say it like it is: You created a new account. It would not even be correct to say you changed your account, because you used the old one until November 2009 and the new one since June 2009.

This here...

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=10224&hl=

...is also a very good and honest way of introducing your new account name to people on the forum.

 

"Earlier when I was posting as Starjumper I mentioned my teacher and realized it was a mistake because some people here have this manic phobia, they need to check out other people's teachers"

Ehm... changed my mind. Really no comment necessary.

 

"Also, what Hardyg said about my links here to my website info is a lie or misleading. I specifically do not have any links to my website on this forum under either screen name..."

Well... misleading would go too far (so does "lie" of course). I'd say you just don't deem it necessary to ask, but are happy to draw conclusions that are not apparent from what has been said, and of course the mistake is not on your side, right? You posted a picture of you standing on a mountain, and that picture is hosted under the domain name of your commercial website. As I said, it's good to know the basics of the internet when using it.

 

 

I simply wanted to put the two quotes from different people together and then keep them together on 'hold' while I wrote my reply so that some nut job wouldn't jump to conclusions and say something stupid about it before I was done writing what I wanted to say. Looks like I had the right idea.

This only has a local effect, not a temporal one. Your answer could still be AFTER the others'. Apparently you like the illusion of being in control of the flow of the thread. You wanted to be able to comment on other people's posts before other had the chance (but again only locally, i.e. concerning the order of the posts).

You put comments 'on hold', you tell people to be patient, you advertise your coming big comments in a thread. This all is very interesting and clear, and gives me a vague idea about your inner troubles. You try to create - for yourself - the image of being of special importance, of having people's thoughts all around you, awaiting what wit or wisdom you might say next. A VERY obvious delusion, and I guess that makes it so entertaining.

 

It is like we have control over you, because we can keep you pretty busy running in circles.

Edited January 12, 2010 by Hardyg

[Mal]

I simply wanted to put the two quotes from different people together and then keep them together on 'hold' while I wrote my reply so that some nut job wouldn't jump to conclusions and say something stupid about it before I was done writing what I wanted to say. Looks like I had the right idea.

 

... and I DO realize I'm an idiot for having a dialogue with you.

{bolds mine}

 

I was REALLY serious about the short leash warning. See you next month.

[Stigweard]

{bolds mine}

 

I was REALLY serious about the short leash warning. See you next month.

Indeed (and some might say "About time") ... have a close think about what you are bringing to this forum Steve. You have a long term habit of only bringing bad vibes and creating disturbances. If you continue this when you get back from your TaoBum fast then your stay will be even shorter.

 

Warm Regards