retention vs conservation

[billb]

Just wondering what people think about this. It seems rentention can possibly be dangerous according to some and the people who are teachers on this site seem to feel it is not even necessary. Out of all the members on this site I would also bet the percentage of those who practice it (100 days) are less than 1 percent of taobums and it does not seem like this will get larger as it is insanely difficult so I was just wondering what people think or have been taught about conservation, as this seems to be a more reasonable approach or do some believe even conservation is not necessary? Just wondering because it seems the retention threads take such an all or nothing approach and discuss it from this standpoint. I have not defined conservation specifically as some may consider it twice a week, weekly, bi-monthly or monthly so feel free to define it yourself when discussing it.

[Enishi]

I've seen so many different views and opinions on this that I'm no longer sure what to think.

 

At one extreme I've seen people say that all retention is unnecessary, and at the other end of the spectrum, people who follow Sameul Aun Woer claiming that ejaculation is an evil sin which will destroy over a year's worth of work.

 

It seems like one's own beliefs and psychological makeup heavily influence how much energy is lost during orgassm as well...

[Non]

I personally think it should be at least abouve conservation.

 

Obviously one day we might want to procreate, and I think semen ejaculation should be reversed just for that.

 

And even then, we should learn perhaps not to attatch our jing, or chi to our semen so that we would lose energy, because there's no denying the fact that no matter what, ejaculation = a huge energy loss and not just in terms of energy but also resulting in depression, a spike low in dopamine and feel good chemicals, and nutrients. And much loss of power. At least for me.

So to me there's no matter of choice, I simply have to conserve.

[Guest sykkelpump]

just practice dont get hang up in retention,try to have good long sex when you do it.it helps open the channels.

[enouch]

This is one of the questions I truly wished martial development had pursued or addressed in his interview with Jim. Jim said ''Conservation of jing is the question I'm most frequently asked'' Adding he went ten years without getting married but the depression or loneliness finally got to him. Also saying he was delighted to find he could control his sexual energy. So that would immply some conservation is demanded.

[Spectrum]

The first acupuncturist I consulted when approx twenty had not ejaculated in eleven years was a practicing Buddhist monk whom I could feel charge my feet with a single breath everysingle time I saw him very impressive energetically healing kine

 

he helped me understand that every period of time that you choose to be naked to your action it is dedicated to breaking previous envelopes of experience integrating or dissentegrating like fasting it is a spiritual endeavor when you go without the sense stimulation regardless of the sense a biofeedbackloop starts the dialog catalog definition mind stops it but the body is all knowing allaware we are allready plugged in withoutsayiny a word silent raw receptivity

in movement the stillness is anything you need less u play like u can keep it

in stillness complete rest mind rested into body free to stretch the humming rthyms of life from fingertip tonimagination

stasis

 

deep theta absolute dreamless purpl e mushy cloudy lands opening to the ildman beard hanginglow over cliffside columns

 

power sleeping auto suggetion rest stasis clear mic check

[voidisyinyang]

Yeah I finally lost a load -- it had been since mid October! -- So I guess that was still just over 3 months. But the thing is that when the third eye opens it is PERMANENTLY MAGNETIZED -- so that you can recharge very quickly. The lower tan tien energy is different because that's what you store to transmit to others, to use for your own healing and longevity (the immortal spirit body) and to further open up the third eye. But once the third eye is open then the magnetic bliss is permanent. That's what Gurdieff calls a Number 4 person -- after that you work towards fully opening the third eye and that requires probably the three years meditation stint as in Tibetan Buddhism. The gong is 3 months -- to first open the third eye.

 

This is one of the questions I truly wished martial development had pursued or addressed in his interview with Jim. Jim said ''Conservation of jing is the question I'm most frequently asked'' Adding he went ten years without getting married but the depression or loneliness finally got to him. Also saying he was delighted to find he could control his sexual energy. So that would immply some conservation is demanded.

[Mal]

so I was just wondering what people think or have been taught about conservation

 

From an intellectual standpoint retention reads as the best way to go, most of the positives in the literature seem to point that way.

 

Practically I've been taught that there are more important things to concern yourself with Just try and be more mindful of your body's needs and responses.

 

Good lovemaking is awesome, be it with another person or just with yourself, regardless of the physical actions involved. Selfishly getting off on porn or battling to restrain the urge.... not so healthy.

[voidisyinyang]

I was trying to figure out what was going on -- the energy is stronger than normal. I finally got hold of a calendar with the moon cycles on it! Yep -- third day before the full moon. If only I had known that last night but I remember right before I went to sleep -- I had thought "oh I'll just rest a bit and then go back into full lotus" because I knew I still needed to convert some jing back into chi. Oh well. Woke up after a few hours sleep but it was too late! haha. The energy is ten times stronger than normal on the third night before the full moon -- and that's why Gabriel Cousins, student of Muktananda, says males should go on dry fast during the full moon. haha.

 

From an intellectual standpoint retention reads as the best way to go, most of the positives in the literature seem to point that way.

 

Practically I've been taught that there are more important things to concern yourself with Just try and be more mindful of your body's needs and responses.

 

Good lovemaking is awesome, be it with another person or just with yourself, regardless of the physical actions involved. Selfishly getting off on porn or battling to restrain the urge.... not so healthy.

[Pietro]

We should have a calendar connected with each account. Male sign there every time they explode.

Women every time they bleed. And then every post should record the number of days from the last time.

 

At least people can make an objective evaluation of where does a person stand when he wrote that post

 

I think I will repost this in the other thread...

[hyok]

If you're going to follow the model described by The Secret of The Golden Flower, you should follow its instructions which state that you need to retain. I don't see what the confusion is about this. It says to retain so you should retain if you're following that model.

 

If you've had a kundalini awakening, you should probably ration out your ejaculations depending on your own levels of sexual energy. One should listen to their body and spirit as they will inform the practitioner since I don't think it's a black or white thing. It seems more like a case-by-case thing.

 

Ya know, someone should really make a sticky about seminal retention. This subject is important and gets rehashed over and over again. It's pretty redundant on this site.

[voidisyinyang]

redundant as in redirecting the re-DICK-ulous. Good idea.

 

If you're going to follow the model described by The Secret of The Golden Flower, you should follow its instructions which state that you need to retain. I don't see what the confusion is about this. It says to retain so you should retain if you're following that model.

 

If you've had a kundalini awakening, you should probably ration out your ejaculations depending on your own levels of sexual energy. One should listen to their body and spirit as they will inform the practitioner since I don't think it's a black or white thing. It seems more like a case-by-case thing.

 

Ya know, someone should really make a sticky about seminal retention. This subject is important and gets rehashed over and over again. It's pretty redundant on this site.

[Pietro]

It's easy to stop ejaculating!

I must have done it thousands of times.