Amazing diagnosis of TCM doctor

[Gerard]

Let me share with you another story you would love to read:

 

A friend of mine, a wandering yogi that I met in northern Thailand last year told me that he met (in a location in southern India) an ascetic of the "Atiasrami" order who had the ability to see through your entire self, like having X-rays in your eyes. This friend of mine got bad karma in a local temple where he was employed as a casual cleaner. He got it because one day he was cleaning the floor and suddenly he felt a sudden sting on his right arm and pain all across the body. The next morning he was vomiting and got very sick and as a result he ended up with constant fever and diarrhea. He was like for a week thinking the illness would go away as he was practicing Pranayama Yoga many hours a day. Nothing happened after a week and then he was told about this holy man living in a cave in the sacred mountain nearby the ashram where he was staying. He went to visit the cave yogi and the first thing he said: look you got bad karma from the possessed woman that used to work at the local temple. My friend was astonished with this revelation. He couldn't believe this yogi knowing what happened. Then the yogi - which is a saint nonetheless- gave him a ball made of vegetable matter (there is a name for this but I forgot and I have also heard of some Tibetan Buddhist monks who have the ability to make this sort of magical pills) and said to him: take this and you should be fine soon.

 

The next morning, my friend woke up with no stomach pain, fever and the urge to go to the toilet every 10 mins. He was completely cured.

 

The cave yogi looked very similar to this other yogi who also happens to live in that holy mountain in southern India:

 

 

 

Metta.

 

[Ya Mu]

... who had the ability to see through your entire self, like having X-rays in your eyes...

 

This ability is one of the talents that can manifest once someone has raised their energy body vibration. Whether any particular person develops this depend on who they are; what Spiritual Lineage they are. Also of course depends on their ability to keep energy body at a high vibrational rate.

I first was exposed to this with two girls at the hospital in China where I trained that had this ability; the ability manifested after one year of practicing Stillness-Movement qigong. The hospital worked, in a way, like a western hospital. The patient was brought in and seen by the "x-ray vision" girl, then the qigong doctor would project energy until the "x-ray vision" girl saw that there was no more sick qi inside the body. I saw them correctly see many things that were verified by western medicine as well, like part of a lung missing from someone that had surgery, correct diagnosis of breast cancer, neurological problems, bone problems, and many other things. Below pic I am treating a brain tumor patient at the hospital. Master Wang and Doctor Yao are in the pic.

 

 

[rain]

I know su jok -- the Korean method -- that works with painful tender points on hands and feet. The ones that matter are VERY painful. They are pretty hard to find, partially because the best su jok uses "the system of the insect" rather than "the system of the human" -- so you are, technically, looking for the karmic problems of an individual of a particular species encapsulated in a point on the "virtual body" of a different one! Once you've found it (or rather, "if" you've found it), pain is going to be worse than anything you've ever experienced with any piercing acupuncture in any spot at any depth. The woman who taught me told me she fainted when her teacher used the tip of a ball point pen to press on a point on her fingernail -- not too hard -- and that this is fairly typical. However, healing can be instantaneous if the right point is found.

 

For the first time I hear something that resonates with tuning into sickness energy. Will you be speaking more of this "system of the insect"?

[Gerard]

This ability is one of the talents that can manifest once someone has raised their energy body vibration. Whether any particular person develops this depend on who they are; what Spiritual Lineage they are. Also of course depends on their ability to keep energy body at a high vibrational rate.

I first was exposed to this with two girls at the hospital in China where I trained that had this ability; the ability manifested after one year of practicing Stillness-Movement qigong...

 

Thanks for sharing your story in here. This is what makes life worth living for. Healing suffering humans and other sentient beings.

[SingaporeGuyHere]

mountain nearby the ashram where he was staying. He went to visit the cave yogi and the first thing he said: look you got bad karma from the possessed woman that used to work at the local temple. My friend was astonished with this revelation.

 

can i ask a question here...how could the karma 'jump' to him *blur*

[z00se]

That x-ray vision could be really cool to look through girls clothing. I wanna learn!

[Baguakid]

Thanks for the cool story Ya Mu. Wish I could have been there.

[Aetherous]

That x-ray vision could be really cool to look through girls clothing. I wanna learn!

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......for some reason I think the type of person who cares about that would never develop the ability.

 

Why do I say that? Because I've never developed the ability.

[Gerard]

can i ask a question here...how could the karma 'jump' to him *blur*

 

Well, the same way as when you speak to someone they can hear you (if they are listening). Moving energy.

 

He did something wrong in another temple in the past and the energy rebalanced itself that day in the future.

[Ya Mu]

Eternal student, just from your alma mater's website, I have been impressed. I notice they have a chi gung tui na certificate too. Can you say anything about that program/those students?

 

I see that Oregon College of Oriental Medicine also has a strong chi gung component.

 

Any other comments about good TCM & asian bodyworker programs, please add.

I'm sure ET S will show up and reply.

 

IN the meantime I would suggest that if your interest are in ABT you look at NCCAOM certified ABT practitioner programs, search AOBTA.org for ABT practitioners , and look at medical qigong programs. None of the dedicated acupuncture schools will have the level of training in hands-on ABT or medical qigong that dedicated programs do. The NQA (nqa.org) has listings for certified teachers of medical qigong as well. It boils down to do you want acupuncture training or do you want to learn a specific ABT technique and medical qigong?

You may be interested in the Taoist Medicine ABT technique that I teach in my medical qigong certification program. I have many graduates of acupuncture schools, medical schools, chiropractic schools, and massage schools attend my program.

Edited March 16, 2010 by Ya Mu

[David Yeh]

[Ya Mu]

Ya Mu, thank you for your reply. Yes, your training interests me, but you say that students need previous training.

 

Yes, I agree with your question. "It boils down to do you want acupuncture training or do you want to learn a specific ABT technique and medical qigong?" One of my chi gung teachers touched upon the importance of being thoughtful about what I would get out of energy healing. (We did not have an in-depth discussion.) As a beginner on this path, I seek information regarding good, in-depth programs. On that note, again thanks. (BTW - I keep reminding myself to read your book!)

Actually I didn't say students entering in my program need previous training. The only thing I require to finish my program is college level A&P and an acupuncture/acupressure class or two familiarizing yourself with the channels and points. A person can take these classes concurrently with my program. Quite often those that don't come from other programs are often easier to teach and actually learn the medical qigong faster than folks from Acupuncture/Chiropractic/Medical schools.

[Ya Mu]

Cool story, Ya Mu / Michael.

 

Here's another "amazing diagnosis," but this one kind of celebrates the power of simple observation. This is from Dr. John Shen.

 

 

 

Also here is a forum post by someone on a pulse diagnosis list.

 

 

 

Just goes to show that "amazing" diagnosis doesn't just come in a flash-bang "you've got a metal key in your stomach" variety. Sometimes it is quiet, slow, and deep, or simple and obvious, but no less profound.

 

Yes, simple observation as well as simple palpation go a long way and are often overlooked in many disciplines in favor of more complex less return methods.

[Creation]

Cool story, Ya Mu / Michael.

 

Here's another "amazing diagnosis," but this one kind of celebrates the power of simple observation.

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I enjoyed these stories very much. Thanks for posting.

Edited March 18, 2010 by Creation

[Guest paul walter]

its Singaporean

 

btw just curious where this sinseh is located

 

 

 

Sydney, Oz.

[Sunya]

Actually I didn't say students entering in my program need previous training. The only thing I require to finish my program is college level A&P and an acupuncture/acupressure class or two familiarizing yourself with the channels and points. A person can take these classes concurrently with my program. Quite often those that don't come from other programs are often easier to teach and actually learn the medical qigong faster than folks from Acupuncture/Chiropractic/Medical schools.

 

I'm curious, it seems that acupuncture is gaining momentum in this country with each state having licensing procedures and insurances beginning to cover it more, but what about medical qigong? I would think that someone who just learns medical qigong would have a hard time attracting clients due to people not knowing about it, insurance not covering it, etc. Perhaps it would be best for someone to do both acupuncture school and medical qigong, this is what I'm pondering to do for myself.. possibly..

[Ya Mu]

I'm curious, it seems that acupuncture is gaining momentum in this country with each state having licensing procedures and insurances beginning to cover it more, but what about medical qigong? I would think that someone who just learns medical qigong would have a hard time attracting clients due to people not knowing about it, insurance not covering it, etc. Perhaps it would be best for someone to do both acupuncture school and medical qigong, this is what I'm pondering to do for myself.. possibly..

 

Medical qigong has gained much since the 90's. The NQA (www.nqa.org) now has standards for medical qigong. These standards were hashed out for years among many of the major practitioners in this country. This was a very difficult, long and draqwn out procedure with much thought put into it. I was on the standards committee and it was amazing to try to put all this into one coherent standard. But it happened. Now, folks who are graduates of NQA certified teachers can apply to the NQA for certification. The NQA has Level 4 certified teachers; this standard requires 10 years of teaching experience and publishing of original work. I am among those that have this certification. So any person that graduates form my or any other certified teacher can immediately be qualified for certification. There is a 500 Hr clinical qigong certification and that is what my program is based upon.

 

Now, what does this mean legally? Not much right now. But if medical qigong goes the way of massage therapy, which inside of 10 years made it to most states, at some point there will be legal requirement.

Presently, the need to meet those legal requirements to practice fall under the category of touching. If one applies medical qigong off-body and never touches then, as far as I know and to the best of my understanding, one can open a practice in most places. But the second you touch someone then you fall under the category of either 1)massage therapist 2 acupuncturist 3) physical therapist 4) physician (D.O. or MD) 5) chiropractor; then one must satisfy the legal requirements of the particular discipline.

 

So obviously the quickest way into a legal situation of medical qigong and Asian bodywork therapy is to get certified as a massage therapist. Then I think acupuncturists and physical therapy, then chiropractic then MD or DO all in that order of complexity (number of years, difficulty).

 

So, what does all this mean? Depends on what you want. If you want to practice Chinese herbal medicine and stick needles in people then the obvious choice is acupuncture. If you want to open a clinic and utilize advanced bodywork techniques and medical qigong, massage therapy. If you want real credentials as a physician then do that. Be prepared to spend a large number of years, though. I know several physicians that say if they had it to do over again they wouldn't. Because once you get out and you want to do acupuncture, well, then you have to go study that on top of the med school and internship.

 

I personally went the massage therapy route. Studied acupuncture but never became certified as I lost all interest in sticking needles in folks after I learned qigong style "needles of Light". One really good reason to attend a good acupuncture school is to learn the Chinese herbal (actually not all herbs) medicine. If I decided to go this route then I would pick the school with the strongest herbal departments. One problem utilizing this is the same problem western physicians face and that is patient compliance. I don't have to worry about that in my clinic - zap 'em then yell "next"' most are going to do whatever they want to do after they leave.

 

It is ALL about efficacy. You asked about getting patients. Since you all know I am big on stories, and I have probably told this one before, but bear with me as it directly applies to your question.:

Several years ago I had a graduate of my program that was asking the same thing. I told her to not worry about it, just open the doors and soon she would have more people than she could deal with. I don't think she really believed me. Later on I received a call from her where she said she had so many people she was booked up for several weeks in advance. In other words, if what you have to offer works really well, then you will have plenty of folks that need your services. I would also recommend fee for service and forget about insurance. To get by doing this you have to be really good as there are plenty of practitioners that take insurance. But they also have to pay the overhead of a dedicated insurance specialist.

[Ya Mu]

Thanks for that info ym,

 

 

What constitutes a "really good" practitioner? Esp. one w/under 10 yrs. exp.?

 

 

tell me more

 

"really good" has no meaning except as perceived by the patient. Efficacy is the key word. In other words, if the patient feels much better after a session, then they will tell others. A lot of practitioners do what is called "pain management". I do not practice or teach that. I practice and teach pain elimination; in some cases this is "significant pain reduction". So if a person walks in and says some thing to the effect that they have been to x number of practitioners that have had little effect on their pain, and you work on then and their pain is gone at the end of the session, then the efficacy is much higher, patient is pleased and you WILL get more people coming to you. I can tell you that all techniques are not equal, so choose what you practice well. Yes, experience does make a difference but the biggest difference is how much efficient qigong have you practiced, and, in terms of bodywork therapy, the technique utilized.

 

 

Needles of Light

In medical qigong we do this type of treatment very similar to how the acupuncturists do regular needle treatment. We actually form needles of concentrated qi and stick them in the energy vortices to open up channels and/or balance a system. The main problem with this technique is twofold 1) it requires that the practitioner has actually raised his/her vibrational frequency in order to really create; this is accomplished by practicing an efficient form of qigong daily and 2) remembering where you put those dang needles so you can take them out.

 

Another form of "qigong style" is to project energy into a point up/down the channel then pull sick qi out. This works really well and is more commonly used than the needles of Light technique.

[Sunya]

Thanks Yamu!

[z00se]

Thanks Yamu!

 

I rekon as well things like telling people not to drink or smoke in your clinic is not so good if you want to get more people. I mean everybody already knows this info but people don't like to keep hearing that they should stop smoking or drinking. Especially trying to put pressure on them.

 

Like Ya mu said the people will do whatever they want when they leave and keep eating too much and keep having the same behaviour that caused the illness. So you make them feel better, then they leave and a while later they start feeling bad again and come back. I feel the massage and energy work /accupuncture would have this type of effect. By adding in the use of herbs (not the boilup kind cos nobody can be bothered), the little premade pills you can extend the energy balancing effect you tried to make in your clinic because the herbs will support your changes even in their un-balancing lifestyles.

 

I don't have a clinic or anything but i've been researching the different aspects. I feel you need a direct effect like accupuncture or energy alteration/balancing then some long term thing to continue and really help them heal in the long run. I mean the herbs will work find on their own but accupuncture/massage/qigong can give that quick boost which can bring patients comming back and give them confidence in your work.

 

I think it's amazing how fast you can be booked up with patients. I know several people who have become super busy very fast. So many people feel uncomfortable and have something wrong with them.

[SingaporeGuyHere]

Sydney, Oz.

 

oic, thanks

[SingaporeGuyHere]

Well, the same way as when you speak to someone they can hear you (if they are listening). Moving energy.

 

He did something wrong in another temple in the past and the energy rebalanced itself that day in the future.

 

oic, so thats what happened