Guest paul walter Posted February 15, 2010 Profound...and...sad. There's no hope for us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
soaring crane Posted February 15, 2010 The power of Chan Si Jing! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marblehead Posted February 15, 2010 Well, at least the majority of the people played the game. Â Peace & Love! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sloppy Zhang Posted February 15, 2010 The power of Chan Si Jing!  empty force  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sunya Posted February 15, 2010 Profound...and...sad. There's no hope for us. Â My reaction is similar, though the conclusion differs: Â Â Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
doc benway Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) A great opportunity to paraphrase the definition of belief (ala Alan Watts) - a fervent hope that something unverifiable is true. In contrast, faith is the certainty that what remains when all beliefs are abandoned is truth. Edited February 16, 2010 by steve f Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Yudelove Posted February 16, 2010 . Â "Practice the Way" that's the same as saying "Practice the Tao". How does one practice the Tao? Â Master Eric Yudelove Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted February 16, 2010 How does one practice the Tao? Â By watching your mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Yudelove Posted February 16, 2010 By watching your mind. Â I don't think so. Your mind is a product of your ego. It's not the same as your brain. The aim of silencing your mind, one of the higher goals of Taoism, is to eliminate the mind. Once your mind is silenced, there is nothing to watch. Ultimately the mind is nothing but a self created dream and will be gone once you die, but Tao will go on regardless of whether anyone tries to watch it or not. If you think Tao is something playing in your mind that you can watch, I guess that is practicing. You can do Taoist practices, but you cannot practice the Tao; you can only try to live in harmony with it. Â Eric Yudelove Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) By watching your mind. And who is it that watches the mind? Â I also don't get who the puppeteers are in that image. Edited February 16, 2010 by Lucky7Strikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) I don't think so. Your mind is a product of your ego. It's not the same as your brain. The aim of silencing your mind, one of the higher goals of Taoism, is to eliminate the mind. Once your mind is silenced, there is nothing to watch. Ultimately the mind is nothing but a self created dream and will be gone once you die, but Tao will go on regardless of whether anyone tries to watch it or not. If you think Tao is something playing in your mind that you can watch, I guess that is practicing. You can do Taoist practices, but you cannot practice the Tao; you can only try to live in harmony with it. Â Eric Yudelove Do you mean "mind" as in the linguistic mind? Mind as in self-conscious/dualistic mind? Or the mind of intentions, the heart? Edited February 16, 2010 by Lucky7Strikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Yudelove Posted February 16, 2010 Do you mean "mind" as in the linguistic mind? Mind as in self-conscious/dualistic mind? Or the mind of intentions, the heart? Â If I had to deal with so many minds, I think I would get confused. Best to ask them all politely to be quiet, then I wouldn't have to deal with any of them. Â Eric Yudelove Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
That Guy Posted February 16, 2010 If I had to deal with so many minds, I think I would get confused. Best to ask them all politely to be quiet, then I wouldn't have to deal with any of them. Â Eric Yudelove who is asking them all to be quiet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Yudelove Posted February 16, 2010 who is asking them all to be quiet? Â Silent knowledge. Once the mind is silenced, this doesn't mean that you dissolve and there is no one there. You are still there it's just that you see the world without the filters of the mind. Silent knowledge is a gift from Tao, once the mind has been silenced the Heavenly Heart silently speaks to you. It is real knowledge, not something that has been self created. Â Eric Yudelove Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted February 16, 2010 A friend of mine once told me a story. She was on vacation, she and a few other people who just got acquainted decided to do a late night picnic on the beach. They had food and booze and music and fire and enthusiasm, and before long they decided to spend the night there -- it was very warm. Only problem, there were no bathroom facilities. So they looked around and decided that they would take turns going behind "those bushes over there," a few feet away. Which they did. Since there was a lot of beer, there was a lot of going behind "those bushes over there" during the night. Later they all fell asleep. When they woke up in the morning, they discovered that there were no "bushes over there" -- there was absolutely nothing there, an empty sandy place with not a single blade of grass growing out of it. Yet everybody -- seven to nine people as I recall -- swore that the night before there were bushes over there, that they went behind those bushes, making sure they were well out of sight... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest paul walter Posted February 16, 2010 A friend of mine once told me a story. She was on vacation, she and a few other people who just got acquainted decided to do a late night picnic on the beach. They had food and booze and music and fire and enthusiasm, and before long they decided to spend the night there -- it was very warm. Only problem, there were no bathroom facilities. So they looked around and decided that they would take turns going behind "those bushes over there," a few feet away. Which they did. Since there was a lot of beer, there was a lot of going behind "those bushes over there" during the night. Later they all fell asleep. When they woke up in the morning, they discovered that there were no "bushes over there" -- there was absolutely nothing there, an empty sandy place with not a single blade of grass growing out of it. Yet everybody -- seven to nine people as I recall -- swore that the night before there were bushes over there, that they went behind those bushes, making sure they were well out of sight... Â Â Â Sounds like some other Bushes a lot of people hid behind when they thought they needed protection a few years back. Amazing what one manifests when morality enters the picture...Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted February 16, 2010 Sounds like some other Bushes a lot of people hid behind when they thought they needed protection a few years back. Amazing what one manifests when morality enters the picture...Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted February 16, 2010 (edited) Silent knowledge. Once the mind is silenced, this doesn't mean that you dissolve and there is no one there. You are still there it's just that you see the world without the filters of the mind. Silent knowledge is a gift from Tao, once the mind has been silenced the Heavenly Heart silently speaks to you. It is real knowledge, not something that has been self created. Â Eric Yudelove What is an unfiltered world? Â But really, what is a filter? Edited February 16, 2010 by Lucky7Strikes Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
That Guy Posted February 16, 2010 Silent knowledge. Once the mind is silenced, this doesn't mean that you dissolve and there is no one there. You are still there it's just that you see the world without the filters of the mind. Silent knowledge is a gift from Tao, once the mind has been silenced the Heavenly Heart silently speaks to you. It is real knowledge, not something that has been self created. Â Eric Yudelove How can you possibly know it is not self created? And what can you expect from this knowledge? Basic how to live life guidelines? How to become an "immortal"? How to make do things which have real world application or uses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted February 16, 2010 If I had to deal with so many minds, I think I would get confused. Best to ask them all politely to be quiet, then I wouldn't have to deal with any of them. Â Eric Yudelove Or you can just smoke weed. Or go to sleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky7Strikes Posted February 16, 2010 How can you possibly know it is not self created? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
