Master Eric Yudelove

[bindo]

[freeform]

I may have recommended Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy

 

I've only ever glanced through the book

 

I'm broke so this isnt really even 2cents.

 

I wouldn't trust the word of someone who's 1) recommended a book he never read and 2) is that broke and still manages to use a computer.

 

 

I'm joking of course.

 

But honestly... you really believe newspaper stories as "what really happened"!?

[Creation]

Mr. Yudelove,

 

There is one question that I would like you to address before you leave these parts (if you haven't already). It was the question I had when I first came across your books.

 

There seems to be a lot of overlap in your two "14 week" books, and yet there are differences in order, content and presentation. Would you please elaborate on if one is advisable to do first, and how that depends on the student's prior experience, and how it would benefit someone to go through the other having already gone through one?

 

Thanks,

Tyler

Edited March 12, 2010 by Creation

[erdweir]

Mantak Chia;

 

"Some people come from a background of what they call their Tao lineage. They have come out from China and started teaching in the West, and they attacked me by saying that I have no lineage and no religion from a Tao Master — or any of the things they do to any person. I answered them that I don't care.! just do whatever I can; I just teach people. If the people like it, they come to me — if the people don't like me, they go.

 

So I said, "I don't care about whether you have a big hat and a big robe on you or a scepter in your hand — or if you come from however many generations of the lineage of theTao master. I just told them that I am not a Master: I just say what ever I have to people. If it is useful to people and if people like me, they support me.That's all.

 

It's just like anything — a baker, or a person from a very poor family can be a president of America. Like President Clinton — he had no father to bring him up. He just made himself, and he became the President.What's wrong with that?"

 

This is of course a very sly way of answering the charge. how unpretentious, so simple sounding. Its exactly the sort of thing you would expect someone to say who had no lineage.

 

The deeper issue here is that there have been allot of accusations of fraud, some of which settled out of court, like the one with the indian pranic healer who claimed that chia plagarized large sections of his material line by line. some claim he left the country under less than ideal circumstances, having some legal tax issues.

 

Every real taoist teacher i have met has no respect for Chia. they regard him mainly as an entrepreneur, not a master. he is held to be very irresponsible in publishing his books, which are dangerous if taken as meaningful instruction. everyone i respect in the field says the same thing. the practices are real, his method of teaching them is not. it all needs to be done under the strict supervision of a qualified teacher. all of the people i have knows who took one of his seminars say he has very powerful energy, but no spiritual substance. he's a businessman, in other words.

 

all of the healing tao,universal tao instructors i have coma across strike me as new age flakes who are totally delusional. my impression of them is that that are victims of chia's teachings. and are spaced out and out of touch, ungrounded, and unable to teach anything real.

 

other problems with him, include, from my point of view, the fact revealed by Michael Winn on his forum that Chia had never done the Kan and Li practices in his books. one of Chia's students retorted to me in a discussion of this that Chia needed to build the darkness retreat before this was possible, and now Chia has done the meditations. but Chia's Kan and Li books were published years before any of this happened. How can he publish untested advanced Nei Dan practices with any sort of clear conscience, and tell people they can become immortal through something he has never tried? Michael Winn say he had to receive Kan and Li instructions from heavenly Immortals who visited him, becuase Chia is unable to instruct him. this all sounds pretty bad.

 

last year Michael Winn boasted in one of his e-mails that Chia had impregnated a 24 year old vietnamese girl, while chia is in his 60's. This is trumpeted as being proof of his vitality and thus accomplishment as a taoist master. to me, it seems more of a testament to what a sleazebag he is. now we hear similar reports here from sparkle (since removed) that Yudelove can do it like a 20 year old. That's great, but how does this pertain to the Tao? sure, you need vitality to cultivate the tao. granted, but do you need to boast of you prowess? cultivating life is and cultivating essence go had in hand. i dont see the essence part of it in Chia's camp. I dont see the stillness, lack of ego concerns, etc. I see old men getting young girls pregnant.

 

Now we have Yudelove, and these weird stories. I dont know which is worse, that he pulled a sword at a stripclub, or that he is a mercenary with an uzi in his trunk. either way, it's not that kind of Tao I am interested in. What I want to know, and what I think people buying Chia's books, Winn's videos, attending the seminars, etc should know, is what kind of Taoism is this exactly? is there a lineage from white cloud, where he learned Kan and Li, or did someone ust tell him how to do it and he started doing it long decades later? And if Yudelove is a "warrior" taoist, why dont his books reflect this? if someone wants mantak chia, crowley and casteneda, i guess Yudelove fits the bill, and maybe there is nothing wrong with that. But i have found that every person i respect and trust in these matters just rolls their eyes at the mention of these crowley, casteneda and chia, and that is very compatible with my gut reaction too.

 

now plenty of people here dont agree with me, i know that already. But if I am going to pay a teacher and buy books, i want to know where the knowledge is coming from. these people dont seem to tell a very convincing story about what they are doing, so that's all i need to know.

Edited March 12, 2010 by erdweir

[Pietro]

With all the "interest" I would actually like to read one of Eric's book, any suggestion on which one to start with?

 

From just looking at previews on amazon.

 

100 days looks good, but I don't really have extra time in my practice schedule.

 

Tao and the Tree of Life seems like a similar background to myself. Western occult systems and Bardon. I note a reference to the middle pillar, the first practice I did that made me realize these tools do "work" and it wasn't all just fantasy make believe.

 

Taoist Yoga and sexual energy. Well sexual practices particularly interest me and many of the exercises read as similar to KAP2 and stuff I practice at the moment.

 

I would actually enjoy a life story. Criminal law sounds interesting enough, but a sword, uzi and a government contract. Toss in some magick, love and strippers. From the outside it looks like living the dream

(Although having participated in events portrayed in newspapers, probably slightly less sensational than it reads )

 

Hi Mal,

it is not anymore my way. But it has been in the past.

Taoist yoga and sexual energy build upon the 100 days.

So you should work through the 100 days before going to the other book.

 

What happened to the first part of the thread?

I arrive late and all I found are posts deleted by their authors.

 

Also I would suggest to wait until you have time in your schedule, leave aside the rest and do the program full time. You probably need to go through it a couple of times at least. The first time you need it just to learn the exercises. Then a second time you go through it in a more smooth way.

 

Said all that, my experience is that the book work very well in stabilizing and moving the jing to chi, the chi to shen. I probably would put a bit of wu ji qi gung by the side (the one Michael teaches). But is just my intuition, take it or leave it :-)

[gendao]

last year Michael Winn boasted in one of his e-mails that Chia had impregnated a 24 year old vietnamese girl, while chia is in his 60's. This is trumpeted as being proof of his vitality and thus accomplishment as a taoist master. to me, it seems more of a testament to what a sleazebag he is. now we hear similar reports here from sparkle (since removed) that Yudelove can do it like a 20 year old. That's great, but how does this pertain to the Tao? sure, you need vitality to cultivate the tao. granted, but do you need to boast of you prowess? cultivating life is and cultivating essence go had in hand. i dont see the essence part of it in Chia's camp. I dont see the stillness, lack of ego concerns, etc. I see old men getting young girls pregnant.

With Viagra and other chemical aids freely available these days, elderly boners and porn star stamina aren't necessarily impressive anymore. I know some guys who have taken them and stayed hard for hours, shocking their partners (who had no idea that they were on something). But if they only knew the truth...

 

Of course, TCM advises against using any of these unnatural crutches, and many of these guys eventually pay the price when they end up losing all erectile function at all.

 

Anyhow, not saying that Chia or Yudelove use any of these...simply saying that it wouldn't be impressive at all if it did turn out that they were. Which we don't necessarily know off the bat.

 

Although, I guess it would still be somewhat impressive that Chia can even score a 24-yo in his bed to begin with. Assuming he didn't pay for it...that is.

[erdweir]

i don't know about anyone else, but this thread makes me smile in all my warm gooey places.

 

i stopped posting for a long time because of all the gullibility and fairytale seeking that sometimes gets normalized around here.

 

nice to see some healthy skepticism and criticism going on. people aren't tripping over each other trying to buy train tickets to the Dragon Lands. could this mean the Bums are maturing? or is it just that Yudelove made such a public blunder that even the gullible are questioning his legitimacy?

 

whatever it is, i say it's better to be judgmental and critical of this kind of thing than not. there are plenty of non-dubious sources from which to learn. and there are more than a lifetime's worth of teachings to be explored that DON'T make allusions to fantasy and unverifiable authority. but maybe that's just me.

 

either way, i think the criticisms on this thread are a good thing.

 

I think it's more sad actually, that this is the kind of thing we have to watch out for, but i agree with you, i prefer it to the naive new age gullibility.

 

and yes people, there are teachers out there who are legitimate, who's claims can be demonstrated, who arent getting arrested, for whatever reason. teachers with authentic lineage transmissions that wont charge you thousands of dollars for seminars. take a look around.

[h.uriahr]

I wouldn't trust the word of someone who's 1) recommended a book he never read and 2) is that broke and still manages to use a computer.

 

 

I'm joking of course.

 

But honestly... you really believe newspaper stories as "what really happened"!?

 

Touche'

 

 

[RyanO]

This is better than a soap opera!

[Eric Yudelove]

This is better than a soap opera!

 

One parting observation which you all seem to already know and I'm sure Sparkle would agree with you:

 

I'm bad to the bone & a punch drunk lazy bastard.

 

The Dragon Master

[宁]

[...]as well as several other taoist masters i have never heard named[...]

 

needed a good laugh today! much oblige!

[Mal]

Hi Mal,

it is not anymore my way. But it has been in the past.

Taoist yoga and sexual energy build upon the 100 days.

So you should work through the 100 days before going to the other book.

 

What happened to the first part of the thread?

I arrive late and all I found are posts deleted by their authors.

 

Also I would suggest to wait until you have time in your schedule, leave aside the rest and do the program full time. You probably need to go through it a couple of times at least. The first time you need it just to learn the exercises. Then a second time you go through it in a more smooth way.

 

Said all that, my experience is that the book work very well in stabilizing and moving the jing to chi, the chi to shen. I probably would put a bit of wu ji qi gung by the side (the one Michael teaches). But is just my intuition, take it or leave it :-)

 

Thanks Pietro, I appreciate the practice suggestion.

 

Mal - Tao and the Tree of Life I enjoyed a lot.

 

Eric's books read very clearly and in a step by step manner - I found them much more accessible than Chia's material.

 

Thanks Freeform, it seems like Tao and the Tree of Life would suit me most at this moment.

[erdweir]

needed a good laugh today! much oblige!

 

what's even funnier is watching people on this forum suck up to these obvious frauds in spite of their transparent lack of substance.

[Mal]

[erdweir]

[sifusufi]

Hate to see two go in one day.

Edited March 13, 2010 by sifusufi

[Mal]

[erdweir]

[Mal]

Well I remember many of your posts as good discussions and I am not attempting to be patronizing when I say that. It has also intrigued me as to what your avatar represents, this could be my last chance to ask.

 

Feel free to edit your own posts if you want to delete them. Sean's policy is not to delete accounts and we have only done so once in the history to TTB for a person that was being harassed in the real world due to their net presence here.

 

I feel compelled to ask, is just giving up and leaving the only answer?

[sifusufi]

One parting observation which you all seem to already know and I'm sure Sparkle would agree with you:

 

I'm bad to the bone & a punch drunk lazy bastard.

 

The Dragon Master

F'n COOL Picture! Kinda like Elliott Gould Channeling Lou F'n Reed!!!

Edited March 13, 2010 by sifusufi

[sifusufi]

Well I remember many of your posts as good discussions and I am not attempting to be patronizing when I say that. It has also intrigued me as to what your avatar represents, this could be my last chance to ask.

 

Feel free to edit your own posts if you want to delete them. Sean's policy is not to delete accounts and we have only done so once in the history to TTB for a person that was being harassed in the real world due to their net presence here.

 

I feel compelled to ask, is just giving up and leaving the only answer?

 

My Guesses range from a drinking fountain-steel drum?

[Taomeow]

the state of things here, and the world in general. welcome to the Kali Yuga.

LOL, our current Kali Yuga began on January 23, 3102 BC (Gregorian calendar) and is traditionally thought to last 432,000 years. A bit late for a welcome... but what's worse, waaaay early for to expect things to improve "here and in the world in general" due to any other developments than your own effort.

 

Sucks, huh? Yeah, bro'... I've been chalking up to Kali Yuga all the "things not going my way" for several lifetimes... but then I saw the light.

 

The light is shining around a sign written in a pattern of stars in the sky that says, "if not you, who?.."

 

Can you see it?..

 

Pick a starry night and look... look far, and look closely. There's an index finger there, right in the sky, in the pattern of the stars, and it's not pointing at the moon. It's pointing at the sign. And the sign says, "if not you, who?.."

 

[Pietro]

 

Pick a starry night and look... look far, and look closely. There's an index finger there, right in the sky, in the pattern of the stars, and it's not pointing at the moon. It's pointing at the sign. And the sign says, "if not you, who?.."

 

 

Are you sure it's an index finger?

[宁]

ciao

 

next time, on the next forum, in the next Yuga, try not to act like an undisputable authority in daoism, you'll get nicer attitudes in response...

 

we are all n00bs here, even if we like to think otherwise...

[VCraigP]

next time, on the next forum, in the next Yuga, try not to act like an undisputable authority in daoism, you'll get nicer attitudes in response...

 

we are all n00bs here, even if we like to think otherwise...

 

Beware of TTB, here be Dragons.

And I am not referring to M.Yudelove here.

 

Posters should be aware that responders most likely will not respond with compassion, patience and maturity.

 

I for one think Yudelove deserves respect.

As a human being.

As an elder.(speaking for myself)

As someone with experience.

 

An opportunity to engage someone in conversation is what TTB should afford.

For many who dare to expose themselves personally TTB becomes a public venue for personal attacks.

 

All in all this exchange seems like an opportunity missed.

 

Anyone is free to call BS in any situation but what's the point? are you going to protect all the poor souls out there who might be led astray by evil sorcerers?

 

I like good conversation. I think M.Yudelove does as well. You don't have to agree with him to engage.

 

Anyone ever heard of civil discourse. Seems to be a rare commodity nowadays in the US Political arena and on TTB both.

 

Oh well.

 

Craig