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[Eric Yudelove]

Edited March 21, 2010 by Eric Yudelove

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Edited March 21, 2010 by Mal

[Eric Yudelove]

Edited March 21, 2010 by Eric Yudelove

[Fire Dragon]

First of all as a reference point of how to start the practice, it makes it easy to begin.

It is an excellent method for reestablishing the balance in your eye and facial muscles, which in time leads to a better left brain-right brain balance. Overlooking the necessity of reestablishing this balance could continue to be a constant source of distraction to your meditation, although you would probably be unaware of the source of this distraction. With a little practice, the technique should feel quite comfortable.

Once staring at the tip of the nose becomes the starting point of your meditation, you will virtually instantly go into a meditative state when you do it. It has a real quality of closing out the external world and bring you inside. It also is a great tool for quieting internal dialog.

Even when I am dealing with the external world, simply putting my awareness on the tip of my nose results in an instant shift of consciousness that can literally be felt throughout my body, as well as having a general calming and focusing effect.

There is not that much in the available literature that directly tells you why to do it, it mostly just tells you to start there. It is the starting off point for learning what is variously referred to as The Backward Flowing Method in "The Secret of the Golden Flower", Silent Sitting in "Tien Tao Chi Kung Internal Work", I call it Sitting and Stilling the Mind in "100 Days".

In "Tien Tao Chi Kung-Introduction to Chi Kung" from the Chinese National Chi Kung Institute it states that staring at the tip of the nose is a start off spot "to awaken the heat sensation of chi energy" and will lead to an increased ability to concentrate "on the lower abdomen area, cultivating the positive fire."

Charles Luk in "Taoist Yoga" states, "Before sitting in meditation, it is important to put an end to all rising thoughts and to loosen garments and belt to relax the body and avoid interferring with the free circulation of blood. After sitting the body should be (senseless) like a log and the heart (mind) unstirred like cold ashes. The eyes should look down and fix on the tip of the nose; they should not be shut completely to avoid dullness and confusion; neither should they be wide open to prevent spirit from wandering outside. They should be fixed on the tip of the nose with one's attention concentrated on the spot between them; and in time the light of vitality (chi) will manifest. This is the best way to get rid of all thoughts at the start when preparing the elixer of immortality."

"The Secret of the Golden Flower" states:

"The two founders of Buddhism and Taoism have taught that one should look at the tip of one's nose. But they did not mean that one should fasten one's thoughts to the tip of the nose. Neither did they mean that, while the eyes were looking at the tip of the nose, the thoughts should be concentrated on the yellow middle. Wherever the eye looks, the heart is directed also. How can it be directed at the same time upward (yellow middle) and downward (tip of the nose), or alternatively, so that it is now up, now down? All that means confusing the finger which points to the moon with the moon itself.

What then is really meant by this? The expression 'tip of the nose' is very cleverly chosen. The nose must serve the eyes as a guide-line. If one is not guided by the nose, either one opens wide the eyes and looks into the distance, so that the nose is not seen, or the lids shut too much, so that the eyes close, and again the nose is not seen. But when the eyes are open too wide, one makes the mistake of directing them outward, thereby one is easily distracted. If they are closed too much, one makes the mistake of letting them turn inward, whereby one easily sinks into a dreamy reverie. Only when the eyelids are lowered properly halfway is the tip of the nose seen in just the right way. Therefore it is taken as a guide-line. The main thing is to lower the eyelids in the right way, and then allow the light to stream in of itself; without effort, wanting the light to stream in concentratedly. Looking at the tip of the nose serves only as the beginning of the inner concentration, so that the eyes are brought into the right direction for looking , and then are held to the guide-line: after that, one can let it be. That is the way that a mason hangs up a plumb-line. As soon as he has hung it up, he guides his work by it without continually bothering himself to look at the plumb-line."

"One looks with both eyes at the tip of the nose, sits upright and in a comfortable position, and holds the heart to the center in the midst of conditions. In Taoism it is called the yellow middle, in Buddhism the center of the midst of conditions. The two are the same. It does not necessarily mean the middle of the head. It is only a matter of fixing one's thinking on the point which lies exactly between the two eyes. Then all is well. The light streams in of it's own accord. It is not necessary to direct the attention to the central castle. In these few words the most important thing is contained."

I describe these methods in detail in the first few weeks of "100 Days". I add as a starting point staring at a spot before the eyes before drawing the concentration to the tip of the nose, this is for the purpose of helping beginners, I don't think it is esential, but it really does work well.

However a much more elaborate procedure is found in Tien Tao Chi Kung Internal Work. Here one 1st) Stares at a point 6 feet directly in front of you, 2) Shifts and stops the eyes at a point on a 45 degree angle down and in front of you at a distance of 3 feet, 3) Shifting and fixing the eyes at a point directly between your feet and 4) Concentrating the eyes on the tip of the nose.

Aside from it's initial discomfort, the main drawback to staring at the tip of one's nose, is that it is probably something you would not want to be seen doing in public. As Charles Luk puts it, "you will look like a stupid man."

Well you might look stupid, but you will be performing one of the most intelligent tasks on the planet.

During my years studying with Master Chia, I often wondered why he never taught this method. Finally about 3 years after he named me a master(he gave me a Certificate by the way lol), he finally taught this method as part of his ultimate level of teaching internal alchemy, the Sealing of the 5 Senses. I really got to wondering why he had taken more than 22 years of teaching in the USA to get to the point that he considered "the end" while the great Taoist literature considered it to be the beginning? It was the way it was taught to him, but it was the point at which I took to the road and the mountains and he went home to Thailand.

I hope I have sufficiently clarified this issue for you.

 

MESY

 

Hello E S Yudelove and thanks for your excellent explanations.

 

Two further questions arises to my mind one personal and one of general interest.

 

Question one: I have done some practises in the White Tigress system from Hsi Lais books. One of the practises is to concentrate on a point behind and a bit up in the middle between the eyes. In this practise you put your eyes in the direction to the nose, but put your concentration inward to the point behind your eyes I mentioned.

 

What happened to me when I did this for 20 minutes about 2 times a day, was that a light started to flash as pulses in the point, I think. What also happened was that I had some important dreams about my ancestors, where I got information about how they lived there lives and which problems they had and how therire society looked like. It was in a time before my grandfathers and grandmothers and probably from my grandfathers side I thougth. Later I get curious about what had happened and I try to see something in the litterature about the point. The point was cauld the original cavity in Hsi Lais book, but it is called the ancestors hall in the book by Charles Luk the mentioned "Taoist Yoga"

 

My question is: What is the difference to stare at the nose and put your concentration between your eyes, as I belive was written in your post, and to put your concentration on the original cavity? Are the effect similar or are there any big differences.

 

By the way I have started a internet course with Hsi Lai, even though it not is running for the moment.

 

 

My second question:

This question is related to this part in your answer: " and will lead to an increased ability to concentrate "on the lower abdomen area, cultivating the positive fire." "

 

and to a personal health issue.

 

My text got realy long so I put the short wersion question directly instead of at the bottom:

I have an extreme cold intollerance and fatigue since 10 years ago. I connect it to the adrenals and to low yang qi in the kidneys. For me it looks like cultivating the positive fire in the tan-tien could be a solution to my problem. I'm not realy shore how to put my question, but I guess what I am after is the in your oppinion rigth way to continue my practise or which methods seemse to be the right way to increase my heat in the body. Or at least if those methods cultivating the positive fire does also increase the heat in the body, which I believe I have heard they do. One of the problem with the practise seems to be that it generate heat and Mantak Chia write alot of this, but my problem is the opposite and there is realy not much written about that. This question is of wery big interest for me and I would be pleased with any answer helping me one step even though just a small step further in my continuosly struggle with my health. I understand if you or somebody else can't give me a complete answer without examining me, but general ansers might also be a greate help.

 

 

 

My own list of possible solutions is:

 

Fusion of the five elemets seems promising

Iron shirt

Healing love with a woman, I have lived in celibacy almost the whole time

practising in the system

Ballancing heart and kidneys

Breathing into the waist

...

 

 

I would be wery pleased if you as a Master could point out any particular direction that might be helpful for my condition.

 

 

 

From the litle I know or think I haved grasped about the taoist yoga theory I think I have understood that: The cultivation of the positive fire in the tan-tien seems to me to be a starting point in the practise that let other things happening. This positive fire creates the enough energy to let prosseses begin. More I don't dare to write about this.

 

 

Sincerely Fire Dragon

 

________________________________________________________________________________-

The longer story:

 

In my life I am trying to find a solution or solutions to one major health issues I have been working with for about 1o years. I've got a burned out condition. Two of my major symtomes was extreme cold intollerance, and I mean realy extreme, it was so extreme that I could have choosen to kill myself instead of going true its torture. Related to this there was also a huge fatigue.

 

Anyway I'm not writing this for pitying myself. I write this beacase I'm curious about if the taoist yoga or qigong is able to heal my condition. So everytime I hear about something that can make you warmer, I listening carefully.

 

I have for instance tried iron shirt, but have always have had difficulties with this practise. It is better now since I started in Yudeloves "Taist yoga and sexual energy". My problem with this practise was that I also get dissy and couldn't stand for long. Also everytime I have tried to start the iron shirt practise I have find wery many excuses for not practising it. ,bu still working on it form time to time and will start again now when my new group starts practising from the mentioned book.

 

I have also been working lately on ballancing the fire in the heart and the water in the kidneys wich seems to have a wery positive effect on me.

 

I have also started to add some daily practises working on the kidneys, like the following: Which adds up to my other more free practise during the day

 

Testicle breathing or testicle massage

Retention

Yudeloves 8 brocade: Grasping the toes with both hands to reinforce the kidneys

Chi self massage: On the kidneys and the ears (Yudeloves and Chias method)

Four squares breathing into the waist and hips

The lotus flower meditation (From Chias Tao Yin program), I love this one

 

Toghether with moderation with cofe and internet porn.

 

This is a new program I started just a few dais ago to trying to steanghtening my kidneys in the long run and perhaps have a change to deal with my fatigue.

 

 

Somewhere in my mind I'm shore that the yoga practises has the key to my health problem. Ironically one thing that helped me the most was the first thing I ever tried in the Universal Tao system. I did start my practise the year 1999 from Chias first book: "Awaken Healing energy through the tao". This was in the period when my health was a complete mess. The program starts with 100 breaths into the stomach. I had tremendous problems from the start to even do 20. After about 4 months of daily practise I could with wery much effort reach about 80. I was wery frustrated and wanted to continue in the book with the microcosmic orbit. Some days I realy tried hard to reach 100 breaths and forced myself day after day, but never accomplished. One day I was wery close and did sweat alot and went extremely dissy but managed to go to 97 and every further breath was tremendously difficult, at about 99 or 100 there was an explossion a realy hard and burning explosion in my navel. I nearly fainted and was lying on the couch for hours afterwards. This thing opened somewhat up my tan-tien that was probably completely blooked and I started to get energy in my life and a few months after this episode was able to work part time and about a year after this on half time. Today I am still on half time but on my way to 75% working capacity.

 

My diagnosis done by a TCM acupunturist in my town is.

 

Lack of general yang qi. Lack of yang qi in the kideys and some disturbance in the nervous system and the intestines.

 

Yang qi in the kidneys is closely connected to the adrenals, which Is my new western diagnosis I am working with for the moment.

 

______________________________________________________________________________--

 

END

[Eric Yudelove]

'Eric Yudelove'

 

Here's a picture of the entrance to the Taoist rock garden(still working on the Spring cleanup) and a view of Mt. Washington from our driveway in New Hampshire.

 

And Dear Fire Dragon,

It's a sad commentary on our times when a Fire Dragon cannot recognize a Water Dragon. That's Lola our baby Long Island Water Dragon in the waterfall picture, not a frog. Her father Yoshio is now heartbroken for his daughter and is considering sending her to Costa Rica for plastic surgery when she's old enough to fly.

 

MESY

Edited March 21, 2010 by Eric Yudelove

[tumoessence]

There seems to be two parts to the tip of the nose practice. So we are actually crossing our eyes to look at the tip of the nose? And then having the attention in the space in between? Or is the attention on the tip as well, that being the in between? I am already liking this practice.

[markern]

First of all as a reference point of how to start the practice, it makes it easy to begin.

It is an excellent method for reestablishing the balance in your eye and facial muscles, which in time leads to a better left brain-right brain balance. Overlooking the necessity of reestablishing this balance could continue to be a constant source of distraction to your meditation, although you would probably be unaware of the source of this distraction. With a little practice, the technique should feel quite comfortable.

Once staring at the tip of the nose becomes the starting point of your meditation, you will virtually instantly go into a meditative state when you do it. It has a real quality of closing out the external world and bring you inside. It also is a great tool for quieting internal dialog.

Even when I am dealing with the external world, simply putting my awareness on the tip of my nose results in an instant shift of consciousness that can literally be felt throughout my body, as well as having a general calming and focusing effect.

There is not that much in the available literature that directly tells you why to do it, it mostly just tells you to start there. It is the starting off point for learning what is variously referred to as The Backward Flowing Method in "The Secret of the Golden Flower", Silent Sitting in "Tien Tao Chi Kung Internal Work", I call it Sitting and Stilling the Mind in "100 Days".

In "Tien Tao Chi Kung-Introduction to Chi Kung" from the Chinese National Chi Kung Institute it states that staring at the tip of the nose is a start off spot "to awaken the heat sensation of chi energy" and will lead to an increased ability to concentrate "on the lower abdomen area, cultivating the positive fire."

Charles Luk in "Taoist Yoga" states, "Before sitting in meditation, it is important to put an end to all rising thoughts and to loosen garments and belt to relax the body and avoid interferring with the free circulation of blood. After sitting the body should be (senseless) like a log and the heart (mind) unstirred like cold ashes. The eyes should look down and fix on the tip of the nose; they should not be shut completely to avoid dullness and confusion; neither should they be wide open to prevent spirit from wandering outside. They should be fixed on the tip of the nose with one's attention concentrated on the spot between them; and in time the light of vitality (chi) will manifest. This is the best way to get rid of all thoughts at the start when preparing the elixer of immortality."

"The Secret of the Golden Flower" states:

"The two founders of Buddhism and Taoism have taught that one should look at the tip of one's nose. But they did not mean that one should fasten one's thoughts to the tip of the nose. Neither did they mean that, while the eyes were looking at the tip of the nose, the thoughts should be concentrated on the yellow middle. Wherever the eye looks, the heart is directed also. How can it be directed at the same time upward (yellow middle) and downward (tip of the nose), or alternatively, so that it is now up, now down? All that means confusing the finger which points to the moon with the moon itself.

What then is really meant by this? The expression 'tip of the nose' is very cleverly chosen. The nose must serve the eyes as a guide-line. If one is not guided by the nose, either one opens wide the eyes and looks into the distance, so that the nose is not seen, or the lids shut too much, so that the eyes close, and again the nose is not seen. But when the eyes are open too wide, one makes the mistake of directing them outward, thereby one is easily distracted. If they are closed too much, one makes the mistake of letting them turn inward, whereby one easily sinks into a dreamy reverie. Only when the eyelids are lowered properly halfway is the tip of the nose seen in just the right way. Therefore it is taken as a guide-line. The main thing is to lower the eyelids in the right way, and then allow the light to stream in of itself; without effort, wanting the light to stream in concentratedly. Looking at the tip of the nose serves only as the beginning of the inner concentration, so that the eyes are brought into the right direction for looking , and then are held to the guide-line: after that, one can let it be. That is the way that a mason hangs up a plumb-line. As soon as he has hung it up, he guides his work by it without continually bothering himself to look at the plumb-line."

"One looks with both eyes at the tip of the nose, sits upright and in a comfortable position, and holds the heart to the center in the midst of conditions. In Taoism it is called the yellow middle, in Buddhism the center of the midst of conditions. The two are the same. It does not necessarily mean the middle of the head. It is only a matter of fixing one's thinking on the point which lies exactly between the two eyes. Then all is well. The light streams in of it's own accord. It is not necessary to direct the attention to the central castle. In these few words the most important thing is contained."

I describe these methods in detail in the first few weeks of "100 Days". I add as a starting point staring at a spot before the eyes before drawing the concentration to the tip of the nose, this is for the purpose of helping beginners, I don't think it is esential, but it really does work well.

However a much more elaborate procedure is found in Tien Tao Chi Kung Internal Work. Here one 1st) Stares at a point 6 feet directly in front of you, 2) Shifts and stops the eyes at a point on a 45 degree angle down and in front of you at a distance of 3 feet, 3) Shifting and fixing the eyes at a point directly between your feet and 4) Concentrating the eyes on the tip of the nose.

Aside from it's initial discomfort, the main drawback to staring at the tip of one's nose, is that it is probably something you would not want to be seen doing in public. As Charles Luk puts it, "you will look like a stupid man."

Well you might look stupid, but you will be performing one of the most intelligent tasks on the planet.

During my years studying with Master Chia, I often wondered why he never taught this method. Finally about 3 years after he named me a master(he gave me a Certificate by the way lol), he finally taught this method as part of his ultimate level of teaching internal alchemy, the Sealing of the 5 Senses. I really got to wondering why he had taken more than 22 years of teaching in the USA to get to the point that he considered "the end" while the great Taoist literature considered it to be the beginning? It was the way it was taught to him, but it was the point at which I took to the road and the mountains and he went home to Thailand.

I hope I have sufficiently clarified this issue for you.

 

MESY

 

Wow. Thanks for the long and good answer. Much appreciated. Your competence in these matters is a huge value to this board:)

Edited March 21, 2010 by markern

[Fire Dragon]

'Eric Yudelove'

 

Here's a picture of the entrance to the Taoist rock garden(still working on the Spring cleanup) and a view of Mt. Washington from our driveway in New Hampshire.

 

And Dear Fire Dragon,

It's a sad commentary on our times when a Fire Dragon cannot recognize a Water Dragon. That's Lola our baby Long Island Water Dragon in the waterfall picture, not a frog. Her father Yoshio is now heartbroken for his daughter and is considering sending her to Costa Rica for plastic surgery when she's old enough to fly.

 

MESY

 

 

My apologise to the father Yoshio, there is absolutely no need, remember that I see wery badly and after taking another look, I can see a wery beatiful Water dragon endeed.

 

What is on the top of the Mt Washington. A space roked center or a lift up to the top?

 

Have to stop and do some of your practises.

 

 

 

Sincerly Fire Dragon

[Eric Yudelove]

 

You know Fire Dragon, I charge by the hour. Do you have Taoist Universal Health Insurance?

 

 

Hello E S Yudelove and thanks for your excellent explanations.

 

Two further questions arises to my mind one personal and one of general interest.

 

Question one: I have done some practises in the White Tigress system from Hsi Lais books. One of the practises is to concentrate on a point behind and a bit up in the middle between the eyes. In this practise you put your eyes in the direction to the nose, but put your concentration inward to the point behind your eyes I mentioned.

 

What happened to me when I did this for 20 minutes about 2 times a day, was that a light started to flash as pulses in the point, I think. What also happened was that I had some important dreams about my ancestors, where I got information about how they lived there lives and which problems they had and how therire society looked like. It was in a time before my grandfathers and grandmothers and probably from my grandfathers side I thougth. Later I get curious about what had happened and I try to see something in the litterature about the point. The point was cauld the original cavity in Hsi Lais book, but it is called the ancestors hall in the book by Charles Luk the mentioned "Taoist Yoga"

 

My question is: What is the difference to stare at the nose and put your concentration between your eyes, as I belive was written in your post, and to put your concentration on the original cavity? Are the effect similar or are there any big differences.

 

 

Staring at the tip of the nose is the starting point that will lead to the point between your eyes.

The instructions are in "100 Days" very clearly. Like I told you - how can you read a textbook when you never learned to read in the first place? Take another look it's there. Ignore at your peril!

 

 

 

By the way I have started a internet course with Hsi Lai, even though it not is running for the moment.

 

 

I do not know the gentleman or his teaching's.

 

 

My second question:

This question is related to this part in your answer: " and will lead to an increased ability to concentrate "on the lower abdomen area, cultivating the positive fire." "

 

and to a personal health issue.

 

My text got realy long so I put the short wersion question directly instead of at the bottom:

I have an extreme cold intollerance and fatigue since 10 years ago. I connect it to the adrenals and to low yang qi in the kidneys. For me it looks like cultivating the positive fire in the tan-tien could be a solution to my problem. I'm not realy shore how to put my question, but I guess what I am after is the in your oppinion rigth way to continue my practise or which methods seemse to be the right way to increase my heat in the body. Or at least if those methods cultivating the positive fire does also increase the heat in the body, which I believe I have heard they do. One of the problem with the practise seems to be that it generate heat and Mantak Chia write alot of this, but my problem is the opposite and there is realy not much written about that. This question is of wery big interest for me and I would be pleased with any answer helping me one step even though just a small step further in my continuosly struggle with my health. I understand if you or somebody else can't give me a complete answer without examining me, but general ansers might also be a greate help.

 

 

 

My own list of possible solutions is:

 

Fusion of the five elemets seems promising

Iron shirt

Healing love with a woman, I have lived in celibacy almost the whole time

practising in the system

Ballancing heart and kidneys

Breathing into the waist

...

 

 

Try the 6 healing Sounds, this will bring stored and sick heat out of your internal organs. You should actually feel the heat coming out of your organs. Use the Kidney Sound to heat up your organs and feel the heat move backwards and downwards into your Tsoas Muscle.

Rub your hands together rapidly to raise the Chi, then rub hands over your face, nose, ears, neck, arms and whatever part of body you would like. Do your eyes last. Rub your hands together again as they get cooler. Put a drop of spit in your hands to make more friction if necessary. Concentrate on blood flowing to the palms and the fingertips.

Do Quick Fire Breathing, these are rapid Abdominal Breaths that should take about 2 seconds each to perform an in and out Abdominal Breath emphsizing rapid expansion and contraction of the muscles of the lower abdomen. This is known as Quick or Rapid Fire. You don't want to raise too much heat, I don't want you to spontaneously combust which,(as we all know) is common with Fire Dragons. Once it starts to feel hot switch to slow abdominal breathing, Slow Fire.

Do spiraling projections of energy down the Governor Channel, down your legs and out the Bubbling Spring point in the middle of your foot, behind the ball of your foot, start drawing energy down from your kidneys and adrenals.

 

 

I would be wery pleased if you as a Master could point out any particular direction that might be helpful for my condition.

 

 

 

From the litle I know or think I haved grasped about the taoist yoga theory I think I have understood that: The cultivation of the positive fire in the tan-tien seems to me to be a starting point in the practise that let other things happening. This positive fire creates the enough energy to let prosseses begin. More I don't dare to write about this.

 

No you start at the tip of the nose. Bad eyesight is not an excuse for failure to follow instructions. You get to the lower tan-tien fairly rapidly. It's the brain that is key here. The lower tan tien is the seat of the bodies 2nd nevous system. This is fact. What becomes to nervous system splits in 2 in the embryo and one part settles in the head while the other drifts down to the lower abdomen where it eventually connects to the Vagus Nerve which in turn connects to the rest of the body.

This is scientific fact not typical Taoist mumbo jumbo.

 

Sincerely Fire Dragon

 

________________________________________________________________________________-

The longer story:

 

In my life I am trying to find a solution or solutions to one major health issues I have been working with for about 1o years. I've got a burned out condition. Two of my major symtomes was extreme cold intollerance, and I mean realy extreme, it was so extreme that I could have choosen to kill myself instead of going true its torture. Related to this there was also a huge fatigue.

 

Anyway I'm not writing this for pitying myself. I write this beacase I'm curious about if the taoist yoga or qigong is able to heal my condition. So everytime I hear about something that can make you warmer, I listening carefully.

 

I have for instance tried iron shirt, but have always have had difficulties with this practise. It is better now since I started in Yudeloves "Taist yoga and sexual energy". My problem with this practise was that I also get dissy and couldn't stand for long. Also everytime I have tried to start the iron shirt practise I have find wery many excuses for not practising it. ,bu still working on it form time to time and will start again now when my new group starts practising from the mentioned book.

 

I have also been working lately on ballancing the fire in the heart and the water in the kidneys wich seems to have a wery positive effect on me.

 

I have also started to add some daily practises working on the kidneys, like the following: Which adds up to my other more free practise during the day

 

Testicle breathing or testicle massage

Retention

Yudeloves 8 brocade: Grasping the toes with both hands to reinforce the kidneys

Chi self massage: On the kidneys and the ears (Yudeloves and Chias method)

Four squares breathing into the waist and hips

The lotus flower meditation (From Chias Tao Yin program), I love this one

 

DO what ever you like. Also try doing somethings you don't like. Don't become a creature of habit.

 

Toghether with moderation with cofe and internet porn.

 

 

Does this require congradulations? As Aleister Crowley said:

" Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law."

Please don't ejaculate.This might make your girlfriends a little frustated, but in time they'll get over it.

 

 

 

This is a new program I started just a few dais ago to trying to steanghtening my kidneys in the long run and perhaps have a change to deal with my fatigue.

 

 

Somewhere in my mind I'm shore that the yoga practises has the key to my health problem. Ironically one thing that helped me the most was the first thing I ever tried in the Universal Tao system. I did start my practise the year 1999 from Chias first book: "Awaken Healing energy through the tao". This was in the period when my health was a complete mess. The program starts with 100 breaths into the stomach. I had tremendous problems from the start to even do 20. After about 4 months of daily practise I could with wery much effort reach about 80. I was wery frustrated and wanted to continue in the book with the microcosmic orbit. Some days I realy tried hard to reach 100 breaths and forced myself day after day, but never accomplished. One day I was wery close and did sweat alot and went extremely dissy but managed to go to 97 and every further breath was tremendously difficult, at about 99 or 100 there was an explossion a realy hard and burning explosion in my navel. I nearly fainted and was lying on the couch for hours afterwards. This thing opened somewhat up my tan-tien that was probably completely blooked and I started to get energy in my life and a few months after this episode was able to work part time and about a year after this on half time. Today I am still on half time but on my way to 75% working capacity.

 

My diagnosis done by a TCM acupunturist in my town is.

 

Lack of general yang qi. Lack of yang qi in the kideys and some disturbance in the nervous system and the intestines.

 

Yang qi in the kidneys is closely connected to the adrenals, which Is my new western diagnosis I am working with for the moment.

 

 

Picture yourself as a fiery, fire breathing Fire Dragon in your Lower Tan Tien. Work on him until he looks real. This is your Taoist self. Believing it's real is the key to making the magic of the Tao work.

______________________________________________

 

 

BTW: That's a weather observatory, a radio station and a seasonal Visitors Center which is open from the end of May until September. Mt. Washington until very recently, had the highest wind speeds ever recorded on Earth, approximately 240 MPH!

 

 

________________________________--

 

 

Bill to follow.

 

MESY

Edited March 22, 2010 by Eric Yudelove

[markern]

I would say that for burnout nothing is more important than deeply resting meditations etc. where you just alow things to happen. A lot of the energywork can nvolve too much doing escpeically for someone that has the overactive doing mindset one often has when one is burned out. This mindset can often be very subtle and make teh active energywork counterproductive. I know as I am in the same situation. I think Sykkelpump said something like that hapened to him and the energywork only m ade things wors and it was breaht based meditation that finaly worked for him. I highly recomend yoga nidra for this. Lying down body based meditation that is purely relaxing and has zero doing involved. Just listen to the tape is enough.

[Eric Yudelove]

I would say that for burnout nothing is more important than deeply resting meditations etc. where you just alow things to happen. A lot of the energywork can nvolve too much doing escpeically for someone that has the overactive doing mindset one often has when one is burned out. This mindset can often be very subtle and make teh active energywork counterproductive. I know as I am in the same situation. I think Sykkelpump said something like that hapened to him and the energywork only m ade things wors and it was breaht based meditation that finaly worked for him. I highly recomend yoga nidra for this. Lying down body based meditation that is purely relaxing and has zero doing involved. Just listen to the tape is enough.

 

Dear Markern:

Judging from what Red Dragon has told me, I don't think he would benefit from deeply resting meditations at this time. Learning to tame the mind is the key to freedom. Stick with one system and work on it. Don't take a little from here and a little from there, you will ultimately wind up nowhere, confused or delusional. Start on the tip of your nose and read the instructions in the Shen portion of weeks 1-3 in "100 Days".

I just gave you the key to the mystery of Taoist Yoga and you want to do Yoga Nidra.

I'm not knocking him, don't know anything about him except just like the time Dian bought me a beatiful statue of a mythical Gryphon. I put it in my Taoist Rock Garden near the old Taoist Fu Shih.

The next day it wasn't on top of the large rock I had firmly placed it on. I looked around and saw the body of the Gryphon lying in front of the stone. I looked behind the stone and saw his wings. Whoa, I thought how can the two parts of the Gryphon be on opposite sides of the rock? I did a little more investigating the scene and found that the Gryphon's two arms were missing. One had a red ball cemented to the hand.

The next day I found the marble sized red ball on the other side of the bridge. Far.

I never found the arms.

This got me really suspicious so I finally asked Fu Shih what the hell he was doing? He gave me an inscrutible smile and all he would say was "No b'long here."

 

MESY

[SFJane]

The top of mountain Washington is awesome and maybe the most powerful place in all of NH. I am a NH native actually, gone Californian. I was last on Mt W in 1998 and I spent hours practicing inner and outer dissolving while absorbing incredible gusts of wind. Nice pics Eric. I'd say I was jealous but, the pacific ocean is a two minute walk from my home.

 

[markern]

Dear Markern:

Judging from what Red Dragon has told me, I don't think he would benefit from deeply resting meditations at this time. Learning to tame the mind is the key to freedom. Stick with one system and work on it. Don't take a little from here and a little from there, you will ultimately wind up nowhere, confused or delusional. Start on the tip of your nose and read the instructions in the Shen portion of weeks 1-3 in "100 Days".

I just gave you the key to the mystery of Taoist Yoga and you want to do Yoga Nidra.

I'm not knocking him, don't know anything about him except just like the time Dian bought me a beatiful statue of a mythical Gryphon. I put it in my Taoist Rock Garden near the old Taoist Fu Shih.

The next day it wasn't on top of the large rock I had firmly placed it on. I looked around and saw the body of the Gryphon lying in front of the stone. I looked behind the stone and saw his wings. Whoa, I thought how can the two parts of the Gryphon be on opposite sides of the rock? I did a little more investigating the scene and found that the Gryphon's two arms were missing. One had a red ball cemented to the hand.

The next day I found the marble sized red ball on the other side of the bridge. Far.

I never found the arms.

This got me really suspicious so I finally asked Fu Shih what the hell he was doing? He gave me an inscrutible smile and all he would say was "No b'long here."

 

MESY

 

Wether it realy is the key remains to be seen. Having the key to advanced taoist alchemy, whatever that key may be, might actually not be of any use to someone with a burnout as what they need to do first might be something much more foundational.

 

Doing the type of meditations I suggested rarely if ever conflicts with other systems.

 

I met a woman in tao garden that has exactly the same problems as mentioned here nad has had them for 10 years or more (don`t remember exactly) . She has done all the healing tao practices up to kan and li and she has progresse slowly and done them in a very relaxed and in a yin way. She felt it has benefitted her a lot but essentialy the burnout remains. Sykkelpump I think it was got worse from energy practices and my own experience of this is not far from his. If you are burned out you need deep rest first and foremost. Yoga nidra is much better for that than moving energy arround. Especially because someone with burnout often is programmed so strongly into an over stressed do do do do do do mode, even if very subtly, that they can not do more active cultivation practices very well. But if they do something like yoga nidra or just observing the breath for some time to get the worst out of heir system I think doing what you sugest will be very valuable.

 

THis sort of problem with apraching the energywork with such subtle bad attitudes is actually quite common amongst people that do not have a burnout or stress program to begin with. I have seen several people on this board say that when they started doing some sort of stilness meditation or similar thoroughly things improved a lot for them and they saw that they had aproached things subtly wrong with too much of a "do" and "make" attitude and that they only learnt this from the passive stilness practices.

 

So I mean no disrespect to your teachings mr Yudelove, as they apear very good to me and I like your books, but I think there are better aproaches in this instance at this time. At least I think combining would be require. With enough of something purely relaxing without a hint of doing should be a daily foundation for doing the other stuff with sucess in such an instance.

 

By the way for the person with the burnout, Shaktimama wrte a bit about adrenal fatigue on a post some time ago and seemed to know quite a lot about it from both a medical qigong and a western perspective. You could search through her posts to look for it or PM her about advice. She is very heplfull.

[Fire Dragon]

Thank you both of you, Yudelove and Markern.

Wery kind of you.

 

I have some comments on the discussion but am working a bit

to much right now and have to rest.

 

My comments comes later.

 

 

Fire Dragon

[Fire Dragon]

This is not my reply on the advices they come later, it is something I wrote from todays practise with fusion on the five elements, and is from that thread. But it is also a part of Yudeloves teaching so I add it in this thred to. Fire Dragon

 

Hello

 

I have just started this practise according to the way Yudelove teaches it

in the book "taoist yoga and sexual energy".

 

I realy like it. And yes it is the start of the fusion of the five elemets, at least it it the start in the way Yudelove teaches it.

 

I realy like this practise. Feel a tremendous peace after doing it, well at least some peace. I have just been practising it for about two weaks.

 

The practise is about this.

 

Inner smile all three paths

Create a pakua around the tan tien

Take one organ at a time and do the six healing sound, make the color of

the organ flow through and around the organ, move the energy to the organs specifik

collection point.

After you have done all five organs

Rotate the yin/yang in the pakua and have the most of your focus there and take into

the yin/yang energies from four of the organs, and mix them toghether so that they are ballancing eachother.

 

Green is warm and moist

white is cool and dry

black or blue is cold

red is warm

 

Take in as much from each of them from theire colection point and rotate and

mix the qualities together and are trying to feel which one you need more of to ballance the energy. So if the energy is to warm you mix in a bit black and so on.

 

After awhile the energy seems to be soft and either hot or cold or moist or dry. This is the time in which you rotate in the energy from the front and the back pakua and then from the left and the rigth and at last from the upper and lower pakua, every time you feel the midle of your tan-tien and in the end you create the pearl there.

 

Which you later takes out to the navel and rotate in the makro or micro cosmic orbit. and at last you take it in from the ming men point in the back and put it in the tan tien again.

 

rotate energy around the navel and collect it in the tan tien.

 

 

 

Something like that, and so far I realy like it. Good to if it creates some extra

medicin energy in the tan tien.

 

 

Fire Dragon

 

PS another comment on this in the yudeloves teaching thread from todays practise.

 

 

No I write it amidiately instead.

 

Today on my way home from work, which takes 2 hours by bus and train. I did feel unusually much bad energy in the lungs. It was like the enegies there were hurting the lungs a bit. They were sticky so to say and there were surtain areas that realy was clegged or sticky. The advice from Yudelove is to do the six healing sound at least three times for each sound. This time I had to continue for perhaps 20 sounds and was burping alot, but had to hinder it to beacase I sat on the but, with alot of people around me.

 

I had done the six healing sound many times but it is wery unusual to feel such a bad energys in any organ. Well I feel bad energis in the organs but I think wery seldom this much. I wounder if the new practise might have started some kind of reaction. Perhaps I am on my way to be intuned with some actual problems that had been there for along time but I never before had notices it so much as I did today?

 

 

Fire Dragon

[Fire Dragon]

[z00se]

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Edited April 4, 2010 by z00se

[Guest allan]

One of the main signs of a burnout arising from incorrect practices - in martial arts or neidan, for example - is that your sexual desire will increase significantly.

 

When practitioners suffer a burnout, stop the practice, and take a good long rest (also a point which Markern made). It helps.

 

Check back with your teacher on where your practice has gone awry and seek his or her help for a cure.

 

If you are self taught, seek immediate medical assistance from a recommended traditional Chinese medical doctor or from a real spiritual master. Otherwise, you could prolong the burnout since you may not know how to cure it.

 

As an aside, those who want to teach or learn something about the Secret of the Golden Flower, also need to know what constitute real neidan practice.

 

If you mix up the teachings in the SotGF with sexual practices and/or Hindu meditation both of which Daoist celestial immortal Lu Dongbin did not touch on, you may not know what you are teaching or learning.

[Fire Dragon]

One of the main signs of a burnout arising from incorrect practices - in martial arts or neidan, for example - is that your sexual desire will increase significantly.

 

When practitioners suffer a burnout, stop the practice, and take a good long rest (also a point which Markern made). It helps.

 

Check back with your teacher on where your practice has gone awry and seek his or her help for a cure.

 

If you are self taught, seek immediate medical assistance from a recommended traditional Chinese medical doctor or from a real spiritual master. Otherwise, you could prolong the burnout since you may not know how to cure it.

 

As an aside, those who want to teach or learn something about the Secret of the Golden Flower, also need to know what constitute real neidan practice.

 

If you mix up the teachings in the SotGF with sexual practices and/or Hindu meditation both of which Daoist celestial immortal Lu Dongbin did not touch on, you may not know what you are teaching or learning.

 

Hello. I did get by burn out condition before I was a practioner. So I don't see the practise as a cause. On the contrary it has actually helped me. Especially the deep abdominal breathing.

 

I have also been to an acupuntrurist and soon I will also consult hes wife who is wery good at herbs in the traditional chinese medicine way.

 

FD

[Guest allan]

Hello. I did get by burn out condition before I was a practioner. So I don't see the practise as a cause. On the contrary it has actually helped me. Especially the deep abdominal breathing.

 

I have also been to an acupuntrurist and soon I will also consult hes wife who is wery good at herbs in the traditional chinese medicine way.

 

FD

 

Good to hear that you have been seeking some medical help for your condition.

 

No harm in looking at my suggestions again, if your burnout remains, in say, six to twelve months time.

 

Cheerio!

[Fire Dragon]

Good to hear that you have been seeking some medical help for your condition.

 

No harm in looking at my suggestions again, if your burnout remains, in say, six to twelve months time.

 

Cheerio!

 

 

Yes perhaps a good idea.

Thanks.

 

F D

[markern]

You could also try cranio sacral therapy. It is suposed to balance out your fight or flight response very well and so should help the adrenal problem.

[Fire Dragon]

You could also try cranio sacral therapy. It is suposed to balance out your fight or flight response very well and so should help the adrenal problem.

 

well that was interesting

I know a girl that work in that area. She is also quite handsome and flirty! so there is a risk that the fontanelle?, the suture that is open in the crown at babis, will crack . This I will try in the near future! Thanks. With the risk of the end of my celibacy I guess.

 

F D

[markern]

well that was interesting

I know a girl that work in that area. She is also quite handsome and flirty! so there is a risk that the fontanelle?, the suture that is open in the crown at babis, will crack . This I will try in the near future! Thanks. With the risk of the end of my celibacy I guess.

 

F D

 

Cool! The way it works normaly is that you do twelve sessions of 60 minutes spread out over twelve weeks or more so doing the whole thing is not a quick fix. But I guess a practioner could check the areas and issues most often realted to the adrenals and see what imbalances they think are there and probably do at least some, maybe a lot, adjustments specificly for the problem. Especially since she is intersting to you in other ways it might be good to just do that to begin with rather than the whole twelve sessions as it is more than akward to have sexual tension with a long term body therapist.

 

There is also a realted twelve session program to adjust the fascia of the whole body not just the spine, sacrum and skull. It is called structural integration acording to the social engagement protocol or something I have been doing that sequence myself and had a lot of benefit from it. It does really do a lot to fix energetics and increase health. Although I don`t think the over all body program will do very much to fix the adrenals the overal health benefit could be a very usefull component of your healing I think.

 

You might also consider the stress eraser. there is a couple of threads about it here. It gives some very valuable benefits that normal breathing practices does not ar only after a very, very, very long time will give you. Those particular benefits also seem to me to have a high chance of being conected to burn out issues. Check the threads and see what you think.

[z00se]

Healing Tao then becomes a method for taming the wild stallion that everyone wants to ride, but one lapse of concentration and he throws you off. Relaxing meditation is more like going around on a merry go round, it can be fun for a while but soon becomes dull. Both have their place, and i agree relaxation is best for burnout in the short term.