Ron Teeguarden's Tonic Alchemy

[RyanO]

Anyone tried this? I have some in the mail:

 

http://www.dragonherbs.com/prodinfo.asp?number=686

 

I've been using various greens powders for a while and this stuff seems killer. I've heard that usually in mixes like this the special stuff, herbs in this case, are in too little quantity to have much of an impact, and are there for marketing purposes. What do you make of this?

 

Any other experiences with Ron's products? I also purchased the Shou Wu formulation, a Kidney yin tonic which is He Shou Wu and some other stuff:

 

http://www.dragonherbs.com/prodinfo.asp?number=133

 

Anyone have experiences with this?

[bindo]

It's good stuff!

 

I was just listening to a podcast of Ron Teeguarden last night.

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/podcasts/DragonHerbsPodcast2008.mp3

 

I used to use Dragon Herbs quite a bit, but I usually use Long Hay Flat from East Earth Trade or Sanjiu concentrated granules to make my own combinations (tea - also from East Earth Trade), or Four Seasons Herbs (Ron Teeguarden's old company). They have some excellent products and are more affordable than Dragon Herbs.

Edited March 24, 2010 by bindo

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

I spent a small fortune on Ron Teegarden's products about ten years ago after a terrible work-induced burnout and near total depletion. Despite buying his best stuff, and even 3 month's worth of custom formulated herb pouches that I refrigerated and I took daily per his instruction, I felt only very marginally better. This was after going to see him at his Emporium, and getting a personal consultation from Ron himself. My impression of Ron was that he looked much older than his age (remarkably so), and that he lacked chi and vitality. This was my impression of him on that one occasion, perhaps he was getting over an illness, but I remember thinking that he should have looked a whole lot better and with great energy, as he was a connoisseur of herbs and tonics and presumably consumed them himself. But my impression was that it was not a good health investment for the money. (I liked his books, though).

[NeiChuan]

I like his stuff. Thought about trying Microcosmic orbit lol. A mix a herbs to help with the MCO meditation.

 

Just experiment alittle

[bindo]

Ron is 63 years old. Here's a picture of him last year.

 

http://ronteeguarden.typepad.com/photos/blog_photos/cimg2760.html

[NeiChuan]

Ron is 63 years old. Here's a picture of him last year.

 

http://ronteeguarden.typepad.com/photos/blog_photos/cimg2760.html

 

Doesn't look so horrible for his age. Although yea the herbs probably should've made more a difference with that gray hair lol.

[RyanO]

Thanks for the tips y'all.

 

Haha I saw that Microcosmic Orbit formulation too and it gave me a chuckle. I don't know much (read:anything) about herbology but intuitively it doesn't seem like a formulation could be specific to that pathway, although I'm sure it would help generally.

 

I was going to purchase pure He Shou Wu as Michael Winn recommended it, but decided to go for the formulation as it has some other good stuff as well. Just trying to give my Kidneys a little love.

 

Anyone else have experiences with this or the Tonic Alchemy?

[Nilo]

Any updates from the tonic herbs?

 

 

Thanks for the tips y'all.

 

Haha I saw that Microcosmic Orbit formulation too and it gave me a chuckle. I don't know much (read:anything) about herbology but intuitively it doesn't seem like a formulation could be specific to that pathway, although I'm sure it would help generally.

 

I was going to purchase pure He Shou Wu as Michael Winn recommended it, but decided to go for the formulation as it has some other good stuff as well. Just trying to give my Kidneys a little love.

 

Anyone else have experiences with this or the Tonic Alchemy?

[henro]

Thanks for the tips y'all.

 

Haha I saw that Microcosmic Orbit formulation too and it gave me a chuckle. I don't know much (read:anything) about herbology but intuitively it doesn't seem like a formulation could be specific to that pathway, although I'm sure it would help generally.

 

I was going to purchase pure He Shou Wu as Michael Winn recommended it, but decided to go for the formulation as it has some other good stuff as well. Just trying to give my Kidneys a little love.

 

Anyone else have experiences with this or the Tonic Alchemy?

 

 

It seems reasonable that one could take a formula that helps open the Du and Ren channels and that would facilitate the MC orbit. I'd like to try this formula…

Edited August 31, 2015 by henro

[Christoph]

His lights Out sleep formulas is awesome.

I tend to stay away from formulas that have 100 ingredients as I feel each one is so diluted it loses potency.

IMO many of the herbs work by hormesis so taking too many would be like someone who works out too much and is overtrained,it is a stress on the system.

[RyanO]

[Nilo]

Thanks for sharing. It's my understanding that tonics tonify overtime and gradually in subtle ways. The benefits can be almost undetectable to oneself until you compare yourself how you felt before you started to how you feel right now.

 

I am going to start a few tonics and build my 3 treasures, I will share my experience here.

[bojole]

Have anyone tried his Microcosmic orbit? What do you think about it?

[wilfred]

tonic alchemy is great, tastes way too good for a 'green powder' and they revised it to version 2.0 to include some extra goodies like the kinetic ginseng. very pricy but for my money probably the best green mix, except for 'amazing grass' if you're on a budget. i can happily drink it alone with water or a hemp/nut milk base and still enjoy the taste.

[vtrader125]

why is his stuff so expensive????????

[henro]

I've been on daobums for a number of years, but in the interest of full disclosure, I am now working at Dragon Herbs... I got hired at the end of March after I graduated with my masters in TCM.

 

I haven't tried Microcosmic Orbit yet but it's at the top of my list. My regular program is Frame Builder, He Shou Wu, Diamond Mind, and either Supreme Shen or Albizzia Flower drops. 

 

I'll do Tonic Alchemy once in a while, usually during periods of heavy training and calorie restriction.

Edited September 1, 2015 by henro

[liminal_luke]

Henro,

 

What do you think: can someone without specialized knowledge in Chinese medicine put themselves on the tonic herbs from Dragon Herbs (perhaps after a phone consultation) and not risk messing themselves up energetically?

 

I find Dragon Herbs marketing and reputation very appealing, but am hesitant to take anything long term without having someone knowledgeable actually sit down with me, take my pulse, look at my tongue, etc.

 

Liminal

[henro]

That's a great question, and it comes up often. 

 

We have licensed acupuncturists on staff who all have a masters degree in TCM. One also has a phd in Chinese Medicine, and several are currently in doctoral programs as well. 

 

The company offers free herbal consultations either by phone or in person at the retail stores. We do a full TCM intake with complete medical history, and family history, along with current concerns, lifestyle, etc. Customers are encouraged to take advantage of these herbal consultations, and many of the herbalists have developed long term relationships with their customers. We regularly review customer programs, and I think most importantly no one works on commission. We definitely have customers that just order over the internet without ever talking to us, but everyone here encourages customers to have at least one consultation at some point.

[gendao]

Ron is 63 years old. Here's a picture of him last year.

 

http://ronteeguarden.typepad.com/photos/blog_photos/cimg2760.html

Herbs are good as short-term boosts, but I think genuine healing must be internal - where the problems actually lie.

[henro]

From a Daoist perspective, longterm health is the result of good diet and nutrition, meditation, and exercise. Herbs can be a part of that as evidenced by people like Li Qing Yun who is said to have eaten gou qi zi every day, and consume a soup of ginseng and he shou wu regularly. 

Edited September 2, 2015 by henro