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[Marblehead]

[Marblehead]

I like making my own mistakes too ... I'm very good at it!

 

Hehehe.

 

Peace & Love!

[Marblehead]

[Z3N]

Just for you personal information, I was a career soldier and a warrior. I know what it means to be a warrior and I still disagree with many of the tenets presented in the initial post.

 

The Only creed a true warrior needs follow is: I will help you if I can, I will kill you if I must. Second to that is self-preservation so that one can accomplish their mission.

 

Nothing else is a given. Total flexibility is all that is needed in order to do what needs be done.

 

Peace & Love!

 

So look everyone Marblehead is a self proclaimed warrior of greatness and virtue.

 

Watch out that head of yours is getting a little too big and so easily choped off.

 

All you know is the system that pleases our own ego.

 

So tell me again what do you know.

Edited March 25, 2010 by Z3N

[Marblehead]

So look everyone Marblehead is a self proclaimed warrior of greatness and virtue.

 

Watch out that head of yours is getting a little too big and so easily choped off.

 

All you know is the system that pleases our own ego.

 

So tell me again what do you know.

 

You have just violate the first rule by making personal attacks.

 

No, I am not self-proclaimed. If you could see some of my evaluation reports from when I was active duty you would think that I was some kind of superman.

 

I think I can look myself in the mirror regarding my virtue. An perfect example is that I have never initiate personal attacks on anyone on any forum contrary to what many have done to me simply because I had an opinion different from theirs.

 

So there you sit telling me what I know. Damn! Another all-seeing, all-knowing omniscient being!

 

And you have violated the second rule by stating an opinion in the format of a fact.

 

If we are going to have a discussion we need to speak to the issue and stop pussy-footing around.

 

I know the earth is fairly round. That's one thing I know. What else would you like to know?

 

Once again I ask you, if we are going to discuss the issue then we need speak to the issue and not try to jerk me off.

 

Would you like to start over?

 

Peace & Love!

[Marblehead]

Just for you personal information, I was a career soldier and a warrior. I know what it means to be a warrior and I still disagree with many of the tenets presented in the initial post.

 

The Only creed a true warrior needs follow is: I will help you if I can, I will kill you if I must. Second to that is self-preservation so that one can accomplish their mission.

 

Nothing else is a given. Total flexibility is all that is needed in order to do what needs be done.

 

Peace & Love!

 

This is actually an edit to include the following to this post:

 

I have been retired from being a warrior for over thirty years. I came out alive. Many others didn't. So I get at least one point.

 

Peace & Love!

Edited March 25, 2010 by Marblehead

[Z3N]

This is actually an edit to include the following to this post:

 

I have been retired from being a warrior for over thirty years. I came out alive. Many others didn't. So I get at least one point.

 

Peace & Love!

 

Ha! call this a attack, I call it friendly sparing.

 

Musashi is no joke. Hes honour and virtue is far reaching as the void in its entirety.

Edited March 25, 2010 by Z3N

[Marblehead]

[3bob]

Rules:

 

Rules as related to or given as valid warnings can be very helpful. Thus by following certain "rules" even partially one may only lose the tip of a finger compared to having an arm chopped off (as a drastic example to speak) - which obviously would be much more difficult and un-fortunate to deal with!

Edited March 25, 2010 by 3bob

[That Guy]

Hi That Guy,

 

I don't get the chance to talk wity you very often. Just wanted to let you know that this post of your's is extremely to the point and very well expressed to the subject in question.

 

Many Thanks!!!

 

Peace & Love!

Thank you, and you're welcome,

 

Peace and Love!

[3bob]

Hi Marblehead,

 

Please take some time to at least re-read one of main Christian gospels of say of St. John before entertaining interpretations that Jesus himself was forcing the Jews or anyone else for that matter, to do anything...

 

Many know Him as the "Good Shepard", and a good shepard does not lord it over on anyone.

Edited March 25, 2010 by 3bob

[Marblehead]

Rules:

 

Rules as related to or given as valid warnings can be very helpful. Thus by following certain "rules" even partially one may only lose the tip of a finger compared to having an arm chopped off (as a drastic example to speak) - which obviously would be much more difficult and un-fortunate to deal with!

 

Yep. I call those guidelines. In the Army we called them Standard Operating Procedures (SOP). Field Manuals (FMs) present guidelines for applying the SOPs in a field situation as well as alternatives to the SOPs when in a volatile situation.

 

Regulations (Laws) specify strict compliance with written dogma. But even these must be flexible enough to be ignored in combat conditions.

 

Peace & Love!

[Marblehead]

Hi Marblehead,

 

Please take some time to at least re-read one of main Christian gospels of say of St. John before entertaining interpretations that Jesus himself was forcing the Jews or anyone else for that matter, to do anything...

 

Many know Him as the "Good Shepard", and a good shepard does not lord it over on anyone.

 

Hi Bob,

 

I actually welcome your making this point. I used an extreme intrepretation on purpose in order to make my point. I wouldn't normally make negative comments reqarding anyone's faith and religion. But you did notice that I did state that I respected Jesus' teachings?

 

Peace & Love!

[3bob]

Hi Bob,

 

I actually welcome your making this point. I used an extreme intrepretation on purpose in order to make my point. I wouldn't normally make negative comments reqarding anyone's faith and religion. But you did notice that I did state that I respected Jesus' teachings?

 

Peace & Love!

 

Hi MH,

 

Your two statements about Master Jesus do not quite compute to me?

Anyway, imo and studies I think Jesus knew very well that much of his teachings would be co-opted by the forces of the world; and that is what I can understand many people having problems with including myself - although not with the golden soul known as Jesus and his key sayings! (like the "Sermon on the Mount")

 

Om

[Apech]

Hi MH,

 

Your two statements about Master Jesus do not quite compute to me?

Anyway, imo and studies I think Jesus knew very well that much of his teachings would be co-opted by the forces of the world; and that is what I can understand many people having problems with including myself - although not with the golden soul known as Jesus and his key sayings! (like the "Sermon on the Mount")

 

Om

 

I find Jesus the person quite inspirational but if I ever start to gravitate towards him Christianity immediately puts me off. He said love thy neighbor but they seem to spend all their time hating everyone who is not one of them.

[Nanashi]

Regarding Marblehead and Jesus comments:

 

I didn't quite get what you meant earlier-- You said you respected him (or his teachings, later), but don't respect how he died? Then you mentioned serving god and country being idiotic, which threw me off that discussion, as that wasn't even brought up by me (but I do agree). I'm not trying to be rude, just clarifying.

 

I respect Musashi more than Jesus, if Jesus even existed. Seems like he was, or his abilities were, fabricated in later times to "help" or "control" people.

 

Enlightenment through the sword is the purpose of Musashi's precepts, so I can understand why a lot of people can't fathom why they'd be useful.

[Marblehead]

Hi MH,

 

Your two statements about Master Jesus do not quite compute to me?

Anyway, imo and studies I think Jesus knew very well that much of his teachings would be co-opted by the forces of the world; and that is what I can understand many people having problems with including myself - although not with the golden soul known as Jesus and his key sayings! (like the "Sermon on the Mount")

 

Om

 

I don't know Bob. I doubt that Jesus had any thoughts abour founding a religion or anything like that. He was just trying to be helpful to those who would listen to him. I really didn't intend on starting a discussion of him or his teachings because, as I said in that first post, it has been a very long time since I have read any literature pertaining to him or the Christian religion.

 

And I still hold that it is possible to respect a person's intentions but disagree with some of the way they go about realizing those intentions.

 

You have to admit, he did tee off quite a few Jews.

 

Peace & Love!

[Marblehead]

I didn't quite get what you meant earlier-- You said you respected him (or his teachings, later), but don't respect how he died? Then you mentioned serving god and country being idiotic, which threw me off that discussion, as that wasn't even brought up by me (but I do agree). I'm not trying to be rude, just clarifying.

 

As I just mentioned to Bob, I respect his intentions. The way he went about realizing them teed off a lot of Jews and end up getting himself killed. He did not attain his goals, others attained it for him because he screwed it up.

 

The other discussion was with someone else who was trying to find flaw in what I was saying.

 

I respect Musashi more than Jesus, if Jesus even existed. Seems like he was, or his abilities were, fabricated in later times to "help" or "control" people.

 

I know nothing about Musashi save for what was presented in the initial post. I disagreed with many (most) of the 21 points put forth. 1500 or 2000 years ago they probably would have been more applicable.

 

Enlightenment through the sword is the purpose of Musashi's precepts, so I can understand why a lot of people can't fathom why they'd be useful.

 

And we do not fight wars with the sword now-a-days. The world has changed. Technology makes it much easier to kill your enemy. And people who hate each other today don't have sword fights. They get a midnight special and blow the other person away.

 

Life ain't what it used to be. Things change. That is why dogma that doesn't change with the times becomes invalid. Yes, there are some who will still follow blindly. I'm not one of those.

 

Peace & Love!

[Nanashi]

Marblehead: Musashi only participated in one war as a teenager; his dueling career and subsequent legend were formed in a time of peace. I can see the world of today being just as dangerous (in certain parts). I still think the list is applicable today just as it was 400 years ago.

 

Like I said, I can understand if it doesn't fit into your personal philosophy, but wholly disregarding it as antiquated musings seems a bit rash.

[Apech]

[Marblehead]

Marblehead: Musashi only participated in one war as a teenager; his dueling career and subsequent legend were formed in a time of peace. I can see the world of today being just as dangerous (in certain parts). I still think the list is applicable today just as it was 400 years ago.

 

Like I said, I can understand if it doesn't fit into your personal philosophy, but wholly disregarding it as antiquated musings seems a bit rash.

 

Now, I didn't disregard it wholly. In fact, when the second translation was presented I said I agreed with the wording more than I did the initial translation. If you look back at my response to each of the articles there were five that I agreed with and a couple that I questioned conditionally.

 

So 5 out of 21 ain't all bad. And then it probably would have jumped up to maybe 8 or nine if I had used the second translation.

 

And like I said, I was a career warrior for twenty years and a lot of things just are not the way it is written in the articles, according to my, hands-on, first hand experiences.

 

I'm not writing things I remember from some book I read. I am speaking from my personal experiences of the reality of warfare.

 

But then again, these are only my opinions and understandings.

 

Peace & Love!

[Nanashi]

Marblehead: Ah, that is true, I see now. I suppose the other precepts are more intended for a martial artist audience or an ascetic than everyday bourgeoisie life. Thanks for your time in discussing this with me.

[Marblehead]

Just one question though - why shouldn't Jesus tee off the Jews? He was a Jew and if he thought they were going wrong then he was right to point this out. I am sure a Christian would say that his death was part of his message - his ministry - as is the manner of his death. What follows after is centuries of distortion ending up with the sort of empty religion that we see today.

 

Okay. I have spoke enough about Musashi. I voiced my opinion and others voiced theirs.

 

Heavy question. But first let me mention again that it has been a very long time since I read about all that stuff.

 

Yes. Jesus was a Jew. And yes, according to what I remember he was very displeased with the way the religion was being practiced. And yes, he had the right, IMO, to point this out. From the story about him going into the temple and over-turning the tables of the money lenders I would say that he did not say anything about turning the other cheek.

 

The point I would like to make is that his submitting to death put his teachings into the hands of others. To the best of my knowledge he, Jesus, never wrote anything regarding his teachings. Everything, in my understanding, was written by others. And it has been re-written and modified many times over.

 

Had he lived and had he written his thoughts and teachings then there would be substance to his life much greater, IMO, than there is now because, as you pointed out, what followed is centuries of distortion and what we see today.

 

So, by accepting death he chose to die rather than continue to fight. To my recall, all he was asked to do was to stop saying he was God of the Jews. He refused. God is dead.

 

Peace & Love!

[Marblehead]

Marblehead: Ah, that is true, I see now. I suppose the other precepts are more intended for a martial artist audience or an ascetic than everyday bourgeoisie life. Thanks for your time in discussing this with me.

 

 

Hehehe. And I thank you for hanging in there with me. I enjoy a nice lively discussion now and then. Maybe we can have another one day.

 

Hehehe. I have never considered my life to be bourgeoisie though. It's just living.

 

Peace & Love!

Edited March 26, 2010 by Marblehead

[Nanashi]

Marblehead: Right, that wasn't directed specifically at you, I was just generalizing.

 

This is off topic, but I'm curious-- did you sign up for the war, get drafted, or were you already in the armed forces when it began? You are lucky to come out with a good head on your shoulders (even if it is made of marble, heheh just kidding). I personally know a few Vietnam vets who served in different fields-- a weapons specialist, a cook, high command, and they all seem to have been warped by the experience.