Kundalini

[S-Curve]

Hello S Curve,

 

Sorry to hear about your current experience, which i hope you will be able to transcend in due course. You appear to have a fair grip on things happening in and around you, which i can see as a great way to be.

 

It would be interesting to learn more of your association with kundalini, for eg, how you came to be initiated and thru which mode, whether it was directly transmitted person-to-person or by some other means? There seem to be insufficient awareness surrounding the potential dangers and pitfalls of a laissez-faire approach towards invoking the serpent (K), hence the request.

 

Many whom i have met seem to disregard the fact that submersion in K requires enormous amounts of devotion, dedication and Discipline, so it would be wonderful if you will share some of your 'past notes' with us. Unfortunately there are many who seem to promote the activation of K as if its the gateway to paradise, and then these promoters also say that the nature of K is so vast, so malleable, therefore structure and system ought to be of secondary concern. Just do what one feels is right, they say... which i find hard to buy, maybe becos i am old school, or have been cultured differently. What are your thoughts in general?

 

Thanks SC.

 

 

Hey CowTao

 

 

I'm cool with giving you a quick rundown...

 

K entered my life one month short of 7 years ago. It was completely spontaneous. I was not a spiritually inclined person at all, although i'd had a strong intellectual curiosity about the true nature of the world and the universe. At the time, I had never heard of K or similar concepts, and I had absolutely no idea what it meant. All i knew is that i had had an encounter with the supreme power in the universe.

 

So, as you see, i did not seek this out.

 

I've had to learn things like discipline and devotion through a process of trial and error. Basically, i didn't have a choice. It was evolve or die.

 

It seems like there are a wide variety of K experiences. I doubt that the majority of people professing "K experiences" are actually experiencing the full, unmitigated power of K. I think that it is probably extensively discussed within certain circles (which i am not a part of), and viewed as an achievement of sorts.

 

Given this, I would advise against listening to other people when it comes to K. Make up your own mind.

 

I am not qualified to advise you on how to approach K either! I have proceeded on my own, and until very recently I had never spoken of it to anyone.

 

I can tell you that, yes, it is potentially dangerous. And i can also tell you that a high level of K would not necessarily predict an equivalent level of morality.

 

The experience can make you feel crazy, but its temporary. Thats a symptom of purging, and I don't necessarily believe that psych wards are full of k-people gone crazy, as some say.

 

On the other hand, i do believe that K could crush somebody, in the sense of breaking their spirit. It can destroy you.

 

Anyways, at the heart of your post is the question: should one seek out K?

 

The answer, i suppose, is "both"; eventually, every human alive will seek out K because this is our birthright and our duty.... but at the present moment in time, not everyone is ready for K, and perhaps only the strongest among us are able to safely navigate it.

 

And remember, that's just my personal experience

 

I hope that answers your question!

[Edward M]

Thanks Susan

[Mokona]

S,

 

You have great insights, I wish to someday chat with you, in person or online!

[三江源]

But to describe That which cannot be named denigrates/corrupts understanding That Which Is[/i]. The only way we know that this happened or is happening is because there are changes, permanent changes in one's perspective. I would also add permanent changes in one's body, spirit, mind, and emotions.

 

It is a great relief to be in the presence of someone who really feels this about the issue between understanding and describing and the corruption/denigration that takes place in that process. Thankyou for your great articulacy and sharing, Susan, and for your pushing me forward into studying further the Void, and for voicing so much so that I feel happy that it is truly a shared experience. I am so happy that you, and Santi, are here. You are a great blessing. Your posts here are really really really helpful on many levels, not least on a kinship level.

 

I think I'll go get half a dozen oysters for lunch!

[ShaktiMama]

Just want to say, Yes. It's funny about structure. It is interesting to part of us, but not relevant to the whole of us..., and it isnt anything approaching the unknowable anyhow. It's a different part of the brain that requires it, and the soul doesnt require it at all, or whatever the word is for wherever it is that one truly is, doesnt require it at all, it dissolves anyway.

 

 

It is a great relief to be in the presence of someone who really feels this about the issue between understanding and describing and the corruption/denigration that takes place in that process. Thankyou for your great articulacy and sharing, Susan, and for your pushing me forward into studying further the Void, and for voicing so much so that I feel happy that it is truly a shared experience. I am so happy that you, and Santi, are here. You are a great blessing. Your posts here are really really really helpful on many levels, not least on a kinship level.

 

I think I'll go get half a dozen oysters for lunch!

 

I learned a new word today, Cat.

 

philematology: the study of kissing. So a philematolgist is a person who studies kissing. This word does not actually indicate if the person has any experience kissing.

 

It struck me that there are a lot of kundalini-ologists but I wonder how many of the k-ologists actually have living experience with kundalini?

 

 

Describing a kiss without ever being kissed? I suppose it give you some idea of a pale understanding of a kiss. I think that this happens a lot with kundalini, describing kundalini without ever going through the process.

 

enjoy those oysters...i am going out for breakfast crepes and chai myself.

 

s

[Ramon25]

Parasiva is the realization of the God Self. Self realization. Direct knowing of God. Sometimes called nirvikalpa samadhi, This happens when kundalini pierces the crown is one description. So there is the experience of the non experience of That Which Is. But to describe That which cannot be named denigrates/corrupts understanding That Which Is. The only way we know that this happened or is happening is because there are changes, permanent changes in one's perspective. I would also add permanent changes in one's body, spirit, mind, and emotions.

 

To live in Parasiva is impractical for a human who lives in the world as a practicing human being.

 

Yes, what you call Parasiva has happened to me more than once. Does this make me self realized? I like to think not because I don't live in that state all that time. I do live in a state of That Which Is is present with me, near to me in awareness, all the time. Where or when I focus my consciousness will enlarge or diminish my experience of that state of being.

 

Again, precision in terms does become irrelevant to kundalites. What I know and some of my fellow kundalites know is that attachment to precision of terms is more helpful to those who want to understand what it's like to dwell in the House of the Divine. Again, the terms help us know what the rules are but the rules are like training wheels. They will eventually not be necessary when one understands and has practices which naturally arise that exhibits evidences that shows itself as living in concert with the That Which Is. Life becomes a spontaneous expression rather than a rule based or fact checking practice that depends on structure that was created by a mind. The irony comes when that life will often naturally reflect the spirit found in the listing and defining of virtues and ethical behavior. When kundalini is in play, when The Way is freely expressed without resistance from the human organism, we will naturally become responsible citizens of this planet. It is our nature then to be naturally virtuous. I am not there in that place.

 

It is of less importance to me in my daily life whether I getting off on the 7th floor or the 40th floor on the elevator of Divine Consciousness. It is all magnificent in it's manifestations.

 

A little cup of the Divine Water or swimming in the Oceans of Mercy, it is all deeply transforming. If i lived in a state of nirvikalpa samadhi I would have to live in isolation, have attendants look after me for I would not be able to look after my bodily needs due to being absorbed in 24 hour meditation on the Absolute. I have some who disagree with me but it is really hard to drive a car in nirvikalpa samadhi. I suppose with practice I could but there are more fruitful ways to spend my time than learning to drive in this state.

 

I am a practical person. I choose to live with the people and make my home on the Earth. I think of the pursuit of and living in samadhi as extremely selfish. I would rather teach people a way that will bring them to their own experience of samadhi so they can make their own decisions, their own self determnation.

 

So as far as my implied correlations go they are limited but I hope they help people in reaching clarity. They are signposts not the place and I am not attached to the signposts. They are as malleable as our perceptions of reality.

 

No, I am not a master although I am on the path to self mastery. It's been a difficult one for me. I am more of the elder sister in a big family. By virtue of living longer in the kundalini process I have acquired more knowledge and techniques, life experiences and a more mature persepctive. That doesn't mean I am better than anyone else in the family. It just means I have been at it longer by virtue of being alive longer after the second birth known as kundalini awakening. I think kundalini awakening makes one more of an egalitarian in world view rather than a specialist in one spiritual tradition.

 

So, one can describe, create structure, follow blue prints and say, "Look, I followed the directions, I have the building materials and I was able to create a person who operates in a predictable way." We can disagree and criticize and analyze the building plans but what is missing is this person is not enlivened by Kundalini Shakti. In comparison, people power the body/mind/spirit with gasoline or with rubbing two sticks together. What they don't know is when the kundalini is activated now they are empowered with the kind of energy that creates stars. If your body is 30 years old or 17 or 65 it takes awhile to learn how to live with kind of energy when it is activated. Kundalini has to work against and transform all those unhelpful belief structures and traumas that are crystallized in the body. Kundalini's job is to help you reach your highest potential.

 

These are my thoughts based on my personal life experiences in living with kundalini. If people get benefit that's wonderful. If people don't get benefit that's a good thing too. One less thing to be concerned about in their journey through life.

 

 

Wow your a wise lady susan. I have deep respect for your knowledge on the process. trully.

 

Anyway I got a question a little unrelated. I posted a question on the forum of learning bagua from a dvd. Now I made it clear I am not trying to master the art. I am not oppsed to working hard at it, but I want to do it in my OWN way, i dont want all those rules and this and that. Everyone saids oh you cant master it like that and you cant do it and this and that.... Do you think that I brather do it on my own becuase of what your talking about in the above post? Also You may not know but what do you think of learning from a dvd and reading a ton of books and working hard at it, is there benefit?

[ShaktiMama]

Wow your a wise lady susan. I have deep respect for your knowledge on the process. trully.

 

Anyway I got a question a little unrelated. I posted a question on the forum of learning bagua from a dvd. Now I made it clear I am not trying to master the art. I am not oppsed to working hard at it, but I want to do it in my OWN way, i dont want all those rules and this and that. Everyone saids oh you cant master it like that and you cant do it and this and that.... Do you think that I brather do it on my own becuase of what your talking about in the above post? Also You may not know but what do you think of learning from a dvd and reading a ton of books and working hard at it, is there benefit?

 

you can learn a lot from a dvd, books, working hard on it, etc. for sure but having someone there is priceless.

 

For example, Santi and I do a lot of teaching online and thru videos and chat but we also do seminars. So in January we were in London. We met some of our online students. It was obvious some of them needed on hands correction in form which we gave.

 

There also is the issue of in person transmission. You can get transmission certainly by long distance but having the teacher put their hands on you is a different matter.

 

The best would be to utilize all ways of teaching if you can but you can certainly get some benefit from all the other ways.

 

I once took an afternoon lesson in bagua from a respected teacher in Canada. I went over with a friend/student of mine to this teacher's house. He just taught me some simple positions and I kept falling over. Yes, falling over as in falling over on to the ground. He didn't touch me, we weren't sparring. It had to do with me learning a new way of chi flow in body as I learned these first positions. He said this way a good thing, me falling over. It means I was really learning that first step and it was having an effect on me.

 

You can't get that from a DVD.

 

s

[Ramon25]

Yeah susan thanks for the response. I know what your saying about the having a person. But you do agree that at the very least If i worked hard at it,I would gain some benefit correct? And that it is not impossible to gain some knowledge with the art?

[ShaktiMama]

Yeah susan thanks for the response. I know what your saying about the having a person. But you do agree that at the very least If i worked hard at it,I would gain some benefit correct? And that it is not impossible to gain some knowledge with the art?

 

yes...of course.

s

[3bob]

Hi Susan,

Thanks for all of the details you have shared along these lines. I agree and disagree with some of your points related to the details you have touched upon or brought up.

 

For instance in one post you state:

"Shiva without Shakti is nothing..."

 

And in a following post you state:

"Parasiva is the realization of the God Self. Self realization. Direct knowing of God".

 

To me these sentences are examples of what may happen when we borrow terms and or meanings from a system or tradition without really being part of that tradition, thus we can not really or fully represent that tradition (something I have done at times); also anyone that is listening to us should be made aware of or reminded of such by us - I feel you have fairly done that in several ways - although in certain remarks you tend to give the idea that non-members of certain traditions may know better than or at least the same as the people who are in said tradition, and that "precision" regarding same is or becomes irrelevant!? Anyway, I believe and or hope that you would agree with me that entertaining such a modus-operandi can easily lead to risky business? (both for those that lead and those that follow in such circumstances)

 

"Kundalini's job is to help you reach your highest potential".

Yes, agreed!

 

Sorry, this is a short post from me in response to your previous long one containing parts of your personal life witness, but I do hope to re-visit with you again Sister Susan. Good fortune in your work and life.

 

Regards, Bob

 

 

Parasiva is the realization of the God Self. Self realization. Direct knowing of God. Sometimes called nirvikalpa samadhi, This happens when kundalini pierces the crown is one description. So there is the experience of the non experience of That Which Is. But to describe That which cannot be named denigrates/corrupts understanding That Which Is. The only way we know that this happened or is happening is because there are changes, permanent changes in one's perspective. I would also add permanent changes in one's body, spirit, mind, and emotions.

 

To live in Parasiva is impractical for a human who lives in the world as a practicing human being.

 

Yes, what you call Parasiva has happened to me more than once. Does this make me self realized? I like to think not because I don't live in that state all that time. I do live in a state of That Which Is is present with me, near to me in awareness, all the time. Where or when I focus my consciousness will enlarge or diminish my experience of that state of being.

 

Again, precision in terms does become irrelevant to kundalites. What I know and some of my fellow kundalites know is that attachment to precision of terms is more helpful to those who want to understand what it's like to dwell in the House of the Divine. Again, the terms help us know what the rules are but the rules are like training wheels. They will eventually not be necessary when one understands and has practices which naturally arise that exhibits evidences that shows itself as living in concert with the That Which Is. Life becomes a spontaneous expression rather than a rule based or fact checking practice that depends on structure that was created by a mind. The irony comes when that life will often naturally reflect the spirit found in the listing and defining of virtues and ethical behavior. When kundalini is in play, when The Way is freely expressed without resistance from the human organism, we will naturally become responsible citizens of this planet. It is our nature then to be naturally virtuous. I am not there in that place.

 

It is of less importance to me in my daily life whether I getting off on the 7th floor or the 40th floor on the elevator of Divine Consciousness. It is all magnificent in it's manifestations.

 

A little cup of the Divine Water or swimming in the Oceans of Mercy, it is all deeply transforming. If i lived in a state of nirvikalpa samadhi I would have to live in isolation, have attendants look after me for I would not be able to look after my bodily needs due to being absorbed in 24 hour meditation on the Absolute. I have some who disagree with me but it is really hard to drive a car in nirvikalpa samadhi. I suppose with practice I could but there are more fruitful ways to spend my time than learning to drive in this state.

 

I am a practical person. I choose to live with the people and make my home on the Earth. I think of the pursuit of and living in samadhi as extremely selfish. I would rather teach people a way that will bring them to their own experience of samadhi so they can make their own decisions, their own self determnation.

 

So as far as my implied correlations go they are limited but I hope they help people in reaching clarity. They are signposts not the place and I am not attached to the signposts. They are as malleable as our perceptions of reality.

 

No, I am not a master although I am on the path to self mastery. It's been a difficult one for me. I am more of the elder sister in a big family. By virtue of living longer in the kundalini process I have acquired more knowledge and techniques, life experiences and a more mature persepctive. That doesn't mean I am better than anyone else in the family. It just means I have been at it longer by virtue of being alive longer after the second birth known as kundalini awakening. I think kundalini awakening makes one more of an egalitarian in world view rather than a specialist in one spiritual tradition.

 

So, one can describe, create structure, follow blue prints and say, "Look, I followed the directions, I have the building materials and I was able to create a person who operates in a predictable way." We can disagree and criticize and analyze the building plans but what is missing is this person is not enlivened by Kundalini Shakti. In comparison, people power the body/mind/spirit with gasoline or with rubbing two sticks together. What they don't know is when the kundalini is activated now they are empowered with the kind of energy that creates stars. If your body is 30 years old or 17 or 65 it takes awhile to learn how to live with kind of energy when it is activated. Kundalini has to work against and transform all those unhelpful belief structures and traumas that are crystallized in the body. Kundalini's job is to help you reach your highest potential.

 

These are my thoughts based on my personal life experiences in living with kundalini. If people get benefit that's wonderful. If people don't get benefit that's a good thing too. One less thing to be concerned about in their journey through life.

[S-Curve]

S,

 

You have great insights, I wish to someday chat with you, in person or online!

 

 

Hi Mokona

 

Thanks for the compliment... i don't know that my insights are any better than the next guy's. But it is nice to discuss these things, and if i can help anyone along the path than thats great!

[S-Curve]

Thanks.

 

What I had a problem relating to on this thread was that for me the subjective (if I can call them that) experiences like visions, energy movements, sounds, lights, weird body changes - I was/am quite at home with. I didn't think I was going mad and it didn't freak me out at all. I am not saying this to praise myself but just that is how I am built. What really freaked me out were the sudden and precipitous changes in my life, in my external world. I had great difficulty with the day to day world and couldn't understand it, I didn't know how it worked. Now looking back I would say that this was a major imbalance between inner/outer in me. The experience of raising energy made this worse and not better. I find it hard to describe this strange alienation I felt but it is as if you are suddenly precipitated into a foreign country where everyone else is speaking a different language. It took me a long, long time to sort this out and it wasn't very pleasant at all.

 

I just thought I would make this point because I don't suppose that I am alone in this.

 

John

 

 

 

Hi John, i just read this post from you and found it very interesting.

 

The External and the Internal, it is something i rarely see acknowledged.

 

I can empathize with you regarding your difficulties with the External. I'd agree that it can be so confusing, and it is definitely more of a mystery to me than the Internal. Each reflects the other, but they are different...

 

This dichotomy is something i've been grappling with recently, and i'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the matter.

[Apech]

Hi John, i just read this post from you and found it very interesting.

 

The External and the Internal, it is something i rarely see acknowledged.

 

I can empathize with you regarding your difficulties with the External. I'd agree that it can be so confusing, and it is definitely more of a mystery to me than the Internal. Each reflects the other, but they are different...

 

This dichotomy is something i've been grappling with recently, and i'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the matter.

 

Hi S-curve,

 

Happy to discuss more. The external world is a constant source of mystery to me - although I have worked hard not to be too much of a miss-fit or at least to be comfortable with my own at-oddness with what everyone else sees as so natural. When I was younger this was the cause to me of some angst but now I feel more at ease.

 

I think this duality inside/outside is key in mystical work, although ultimately not real like all dualities it appears as very real and the two worlds which co-exist have different rules - so for instance a solution which works internally may not apply externally. To make ourselves whole we have to master both halves - because they operate as two halves of ourselves - the inward looking and the outward looking. This is my conclusion anyway.

 

What do you think?

 

John

[S-Curve]

Hi S-curve,

 

Happy to discuss more. The external world is a constant source of mystery to me - although I have worked hard not to be too much of a miss-fit or at least to be comfortable with my own at-oddness with what everyone else sees as so natural. When I was younger this was the cause to me of some angst but now I feel more at ease.

 

I think this duality inside/outside is key in mystical work, although ultimately not real like all dualities it appears as very real and the two worlds which co-exist have different rules - so for instance a solution which works internally may not apply externally. To make ourselves whole we have to master both halves - because they operate as two halves of ourselves - the inward looking and the outward looking. This is my conclusion anyway.

 

What do you think?

 

John

 

What do i think? I think, "damn, its tough!"

 

Hehehehe

 

For me, this is really the crux of the K process.

 

I have the internal thing under control. Its like downloading from the mainframe. I am inspired (instructed?) to act from the internal, and I get this... it makes sense!

 

The external thing. Wow, i just don't know. I know that the divine communicates with us through the external as well. But the communication is different, its fluid, and its easy to misinterpret. The external is a constant source of confusion for me, as well.

 

Now, i think i do a pretty good job in the external world considering i'm a certified K-case. Years of constant suffering of refined my internal being, leaving me quite capable of functioning in the external world.

 

However, as i said, there is a lot about the external world i don't understand. And this is why i say it's the crux of the K process. I think this balancing/mastering, as you alluded to, is necessary to our personal evolution somehow. I think one must find the point where the internal and the external meet (the crux )... easier said than done, because i sure haven't been able to do this.

 

Sometimes i really do feel like i am a helpless punching bag, with no more free will than a potato. And this is coming from a true veteran of both the internal and the external! I am no stranger to letting things go, and going with the flow of the universe. And i'm no stranger to hard work, "god helps those who help themselves."

 

But i've never been able to find the balance between those two ideas, and hence a balance between the internal and the external.

 

Sorry for going on and on... this is such an important issue for me right now. Really, its the biggest challenge i have encountered on this long strange trip. I've felt for a while now that, in the internal world, the divine is content to shower me with love and blessings, whereas in the external world, the divine wants nothing more than to shower me with terrific suffering and pain.

 

Interesting dilemma....

[Apech]

What do i think? I think, "damn, its tough!"

 

Hehehehe

 

For me, this is really the crux of the K process.

 

I have the internal thing under control. Its like downloading from the mainframe. I am inspired (instructed?) to act from the internal, and I get this... it makes sense!

 

The external thing. Wow, i just don't know. I know that the divine communicates with us through the external as well. But the communication is different, its fluid, and its easy to misinterpret. The external is a constant source of confusion for me, as well.

 

Now, i think i do a pretty good job in the external world considering i'm a certified K-case. Years of constant suffering of refined my internal being, leaving me quite capable of functioning in the external world.

 

However, as i said, there is a lot about the external world i don't understand. And this is why i say it's the crux of the K process. I think this balancing/mastering, as you alluded to, is necessary to our personal evolution somehow. I think one must find the point where the internal and the external meet (the crux )... easier said than done, because i sure haven't been able to do this.

 

Sometimes i really do feel like i am a helpless punching bag, with no more free will than a potato. And this is coming from a true veteran of both the internal and the external! I am no stranger to letting things go, and going with the flow of the universe. And i'm no stranger to hard work, "god helps those who help themselves."

 

But i've never been able to find the balance between those two ideas, and hence a balance between the internal and the external.

 

Sorry for going on and on... this is such an important issue for me right now. Really, its the biggest challenge i have encountered on this long strange trip. I've felt for a while now that, in the internal world, the divine is content to shower me with love and blessings, whereas in the external world, the divine wants nothing more than to shower me with terrific suffering and pain.

 

Interesting dilemma....

 

Perhaps we should start a new topic on this because it is a biggy.

 

I'm not sure that everyone feels the way I (we) do about the external. I know that the original Jungian definitions of introvert and extrovert were something like people who derive their energy from inside or from outside. For extroverts the outside world has the 'comfort' of being solid, definite and full of stimulation - while perhaps (I speculate) they see the internal subjective world as dark and uncertain.

 

In terms of K ... and I have only just started using the K word by the way ... then I would say there are stages beyond the raising of K which are about the balance (or more than balance - perhaps union?) of opposites.

 

I once agreed with a friend of mine that you could define the spiritual path as follows:

 

in : out : outside-in : inside-out.

 

... then you get beyond all dualities.

 

(I can explain this idea if you want)

 

John

[S-Curve]

Perhaps we should start a new topic on this because it is a biggy.

 

I'm not sure that everyone feels the way I (we) do about the external. I know that the original Jungian definitions of introvert and extrovert were something like people who derive their energy from inside or from outside. For extroverts the outside world has the 'comfort' of being solid, definite and full of stimulation - while perhaps (I speculate) they see the internal subjective world as dark and uncertain.

 

In terms of K ... and I have only just started using the K word by the way ... then I would say there are stages beyond the raising of K which are about the balance (or more than balance - perhaps union?) of opposites.

 

I once agreed with a friend of mine that you could define the spiritual path as follows:

 

in : out : outside-in : inside-out.

 

... then you get beyond all dualities.

 

(I can explain this idea if you want)

 

John

 

Yes, i think its a great idea to start a new topic... maybe you could do so by expounding on your idea of Inside / Outside and how one can get past the duality!

 

 

I, too, see this issue as a "biggy". And as i said, this is major thing for me currently and i would love to discuss it further.

[Mokona]

Has anyone noticed that when energy enters into the main channel in the spine that attention pulls into the body almost by default? I've had limited experiences with this, but the few times it happened I could feel the energy in that area and the inward pull.

 

Why does that go hand in hand, or why would it?

[S-Curve]

Has anyone noticed that when energy enters into the main channel in the spine that attention pulls into the body almost by default? I've had limited experiences with this, but the few times it happened I could feel the energy in that area and the inward pull.

 

Why does that go hand in hand, or why would it?

 

 

I have never noticed this Mokona, perhaps its a personalised thing?

 

The only time i really notice the energy in the central channel is when in increases or decreases, or when it starts thumping away...

[ShaktiMama]

Has anyone noticed that when energy enters into the main channel in the spine that attention pulls into the body almost by default? I've had limited experiences with this, but the few times it happened I could feel the energy in that area and the inward pull.

 

Why does that go hand in hand, or why would it?

 

 

I know that for me that where I place my attention energy flows. Like for example, right now I place my attention on my spine and bliss rushes begin or more like it is my attention that brings the bliss rushes up in the forefront of my consciousness and amplifies their presence. Bliss runs constantly but I have learned to dial down the volume or it can be incapacitating.

 

The fact that you pay attention to the input of energy amplifies the awareness and feeling of it. One of the skills I had to learn was to be a witness to this whole k process or I could get lost in all the feelings, emotions, sensations, and visions.

 

The way you can practice that is to pull your attention up and away from your body. It's like you are a security camera up in the highest corner on the wall observing your self as you go through this process. Practice in meditation doing that. This will help you to maintain stabiity.

 

don't know if that helps,

s

Edited April 26, 2010 by ShaktiMama

[ShaktiMama]

Yes, i think its a great idea to start a new topic... maybe you could do so by expounding on your idea of Inside / Outside and how one can get past the duality!

 

 

I, too, see this issue as a "biggy". And as i said, this is major thing for me currently and i would love to discuss it further.

 

 

Can you guys give some real time experiences?

 

Just speaking from my own experiences I am aware of my own non-dual nature as it exists with That Which Is. But, I know that this world operates in Duality. Duality is the operating system of this 3D meat suit that I, as Consciousness, lives in.

 

So, i have found it is difficult to get past the duality. I don't know if you really can as long as you wear the 3D meat suit. If I had some real time examples I might be able to be more helpful.

 

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[Mokona]

Has anyone experienced higher energy that caused them to laugh?

 

I hooked up to my Higher self twice before, and the longer it runs higher energy into me the louder, and more powerful my laughter had become. In fact I was rolling across the room laughing uncontrollably. I felt changed after that experience. Maybe one day I'll even figure out the Kundalini, but I have to do much more work, first.

[Birch]

An ongoing great thread of interest about K (which I refer to with pride at it being the first letter of my screen-name as well as the first letter of something else;-))

 

John, I hate to be silly as usual, but the outside IS the inside. The "K" IMO (not humble opinion) is the realisation of that fact whereas I'd spent my life imagining something else (maybe the opposite? or a mix of the two? or a flipping around of the whole thing until I fall over? Again )

 

Here's what's coming on for me on better days. Other days I get into dissonance and it's not fun until I remind myself what I'm playing at.

 

The world is yours. A great big show you are having for yourself. Unfortunately the ticket price is often toxic. K makes it sweeter, but you can't change the world, unless you change.

 

AND, the outside is still there and it also belongs to everyone else's insides. Which is where it gets complicated if you're all new.

 

Dino Buzzati has a short story about it. I believe it's called "The K" (no kidding;-)) and it's following you, just behind the stern of your ship and you fear it, and all the other sailors fear it and it wants to give you something.

 

Edited to correct author reference: Dino Buzzati NOT Italo Calvino!

Edited April 27, 2010 by Kate

[ShaktiMama]

Has anyone experienced higher energy that caused them to laugh?

 

I hooked up to my Higher self twice before, and the longer it runs higher energy into me the louder, and more powerful my laughter had become. In fact I was rolling across the room laughing uncontrollably. I felt changed after that experience. Maybe one day I'll even figure out the Kundalini, but I have to do much more work, first.

 

 

Of course...chi/kundalini feels really good. Laughing kriyas are also exprienced as well as giggling kriyas. I have a couple of students who laugh and giggle non stop when I do transmissions.

 

Just look at it this way...way better than barfing kriyas.

 

Kriyas are a form of emotional release or of toxin release. The action comes from the movement of energy through the body when the channels aren't cleared enough to handle the flow. There are other uses of the word kriya but this is often how it relates in k development.

 

If you leave a water hose out in the sun for a long time it will be come stiff and not pliable. Turn the water on full force and it will whip around in the air. This is what happens in the body. K is of high voltage. Turn it on and it will cause the body to move or do funny things if the body is not used to handling the high energy flow. I have heard animal sounds, seen animal movements, spontaneous chi and yoga forms, other kinds of things.

 

It's a good thing. Shows there is movement of energy happening. Cultivation practice is working.

 

 

If in your k or chi development practice you are not happy that indicates something needs to be addressed. One begins to smile spontaneously and laugh because the heart is peaceful the further you mature in your cultivation practice.

 

If one has a crabby teacher who doesn't smile a lot as a rule maybe it's time to get another teacher.

 

 

s

[Mokona]

If in your k or chi development practice you are not happy that indicates something needs to be addressed. One begins to smile spontaneously and laugh because the heart is peaceful the further you mature in your cultivation practice.

 

This sounds important.

 

I've recieved giggles, at rare times while practicing.

[S-Curve]

Mokona, that laughing you've experienced is definitely part of your true self. Its an attitude that comes from knowing how bull**** this whole thing we call the world is.

 

In time, you may find that you can tap into this experience whenever you would like, which can be quite helpful when you are suffering a great deal. Once you are able to access this state, you still are suffering, you still are experiencing everything that everyone experiences in a life... pain, suffering, death, struggle... but you can do it knowing its all a play.

 

 

ShaktiMama and Kate,

 

On the internal/external duality thing...

 

I don't know what to tell you. I have yet to find a resolution between the internal and the external worlds.

 

Having an internal experience of "all is one" is not the issue here.

 

The person that manages to fully overcome the internal/external distinction will be able to move through life effortlessly, doing all things as if by magic.

 

Yeah, i agree Kate, on my good days i have a taste of this. A true master will be able to do this all the time, and effortlessly!