GrandTrinity Posted April 9, 2006 Winn keeps mentioing the importance of the wu dang orbit, anyone can please recount what distinguishes this from the regular orbit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted May 27, 2008 (edited) Winn promised the master who taught him this version of the orbit that he would only teach it verbally... so if you do plan to practice it, I'd recomend getting the Fundamentals 2 audio course... However I've made no such promise, and will give you a simple introduction to the method... it's a still, nei dan method... you create a two-colour pearl in your LTT... it's a red and white pearl - red representing the blood, white representing light/chi... you spin the pearl pretty fast and then get it going round the orbit (whilst still spinning)... the movement of the pearl is not linked to breath. Also you must not let the pearl linger in the heart area too long as this can be very dangerous. It's meant to link the chi with the blood, apparently as you age the blod and chi slowly seperate - so this orbit brings about rejuvination.  I've tried this once and built up a lot of energy! but then got worried because I could still feel blockages in the orbit, so am back to the basics for now. So, Winn's master here was Max? When and where did he study with him?Winn says he learned this orbit from Max...the spinning wudang pearl. But, now Winn thinks "Max" is an imposter?   BTW, after all these decades of eclectic study, what level is Winn at, anyways?? Edited May 27, 2008 by vortex Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrasattva Posted May 27, 2008 So, Winn's master here was Max? When and where did he study with him?But, now Winn thinks "Max" is an imposter? BTW, after all these decades of eclectic study, what level is Winn at, anyways?? Â Â I do not think Winn gives a crap what level he is at . He has a real awareness of TAO. That is all that matters. Â Glenn Talked Highly of Michael Winn. I have friends that studied with him and i like very much what they have learned. Wudang pearl reminds me of thigle stuff from Bon Po. Â Â I give Michael 2 thumbs up. Â Santiago Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrasattva Posted May 27, 2008 So, Winn's master here was Max? When and where did he study with him? Â Â I think Max probably got more from Michael than Michael got from Max. I wouldn't say he was Michael's MASTER. Â More like colleagues sharing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swami Jai Posted May 27, 2008 I think Max probably got more from Michael than Michael got from Max. I wouldn't say he was Michael's MASTER. Â More like colleagues sharing. Â is it really a competition. Max will be the first to say that he is nobodies teacher and/or master, only a friend sharing knowledge. Im sure they both learned a lot from each other but i really don't think we can look at it as either or. We are all brothers and sisters here learning and teaching each other, equally. Â And who cares if he is the same individualized stream of consciousness that he was years ago. Â I second the notion for a reunion of the old Max and co to openly discuss these concerns if they concern you. Â NOW BACK TO OUR SHOW ALREADY IN PROGRESS, WUDANG ORBIT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrasattva Posted May 27, 2008 is it really a competition. Max will be the first to say that he is nobodies teacher and/or master, only a friend sharing knowledge. Im sure they both learned a lot from each other but i really don't think we can look at it as either or. We are all brothers and sisters here learning and teaching each other, equally. Â And who cares if he is the same individualized stream of consciousness that he was years ago. Â I second the notion for a reunion of the old Max and co to openly discuss these concerns if they concern you. Â NOW BACK TO OUR SHOW ALREADY IN PROGRESS, WUDANG ORBIT. Â No one is competing : ) just a little history doesn't hurt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrasattva Posted May 27, 2008 i learned a version from a student of mine that also trained with Winn that uses 3 colors red white & blue. Â THe bon versions i have of thigle practices one is a "Fusion" of the 5 elements using 5 colors. Â Â Anyhow the wudang pearl is a GREAT practice in itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wun Yuen Gong Posted May 28, 2008 Thigles are light manifestations? How does one develop this and bring out the body? Â WYG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vajrasattva Posted May 28, 2008 Thigles are light manifestations? How does one develop this and bring out the body? Â WYG Â Â pick a color find its location & spin : ) Â Thigles are light manifestations? How does one develop this and bring out the body? Â WYG Â Â pick a color find its location & spin : ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trunk Posted May 28, 2008 it's a red and white pearl - red representing the blood, white representing light/chi... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gendao Posted May 28, 2008 it's a still, nei dan method... you create a two-colour pearl in your LTT... it's a red and white pearl - red representing the blood, white representing light/chi... you spin the pearl pretty fast and then get it going round the orbit (whilst still spinning)... the movement of the pearl is not linked to breath. Also you must not let the pearl linger in the heart area too long as this can be very dangerous. It's meant to link the chi with the blood, apparently as you age the blod and chi slowly seperate - so this orbit brings about rejuvination.I wonder if this has to do with Tibet Buddhist theory on white father and red mother energy. Where, essentially, they split apart at birth to your crown and dantien/"sacral" chakra area...and merge back at the heart at death.white energy of the father rises to your baihui (8 fingers behind your hairline) while the red energy of your mother sinks to 4 fingers below your navelA lot of esoteric practices seem to center around activating processes that naturally occur at death. So that you can achieve those same transcendant states...while still alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted May 28, 2008 Yeah, it's more like WuDaaaaaaaaaaannnggg....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spectrum Posted June 1, 2008 A lot of esoteric practices seem to center around activating processes that naturally occur at death. So that you can achieve those same transcendant states...while still alive. Â ... or during naturally occuring states of hightened awayreness. Ecstatic or Traumatic. Fight/flight/freeze situtations... etc ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites