My Dantien is < 2% full

[h.uriahr]

This, and this:

 

 

I actually agree with you believe it or not.

 

I'm not much into anime or video games nowadays but many moons ago there was a game called Crono Trigger and in it, a Kingdom called the Kingdom of Zeal. In this Kingdom, at a certain period in time, everyone knew magic.

 

I would love for one day, to be able to go to a "library of the ancients" and pick out a training manual for whatever lineage using whatever techniques. There would be a personalitiy test of somesort to determine what method would be the most beneficial to the person and then you get to train. There would be various masters to help assist the student as well.

 

 

 

Also, as for bullying, I believe firmly in a 2 step process. Step 1- complete physical and psychological breakdown...old school ass whoopin Step 2- build them up with confidence and teach them that it's not cool ( or whatever hip word ) to bully people.

 

We need to kick the bullying at an early age.

[sifusufi]

It takes 81 hours of real meditation. Which most people actually achieve for only a small % of the time that they are attempting meditation.

 

Therefore, this can take 1-5 years if you practice several hours per day. Or 10 years if you practice only 1 hr/day. Keep in mind that you should ideally be celibate during this time too.

 

IOW, the vast majority of people out there will NEVER attain even this (at least in this lifetime).

 

 

"John Chang" can also personally determine your dantian fullness with his sensing ability. Otherwise, I'm not sure what other reliable method there is?

 

Awesome replies everybody thanks again!

 

Now... can the real meditation occur in ZZ, lotus, zazen, asanas, in bed ?

 

Will it be enhanced or led more quickly using a tool like

Centerpointe, Audiostrobe, Dr. Jeffrey Thompson tapes?

 

Will the dissonance of Sun Ra cause a spontaneous 100% er?

 

Peace family,

Robert

[sifusufi]

A lot of "John Chang's" students have gotten injured even with his guidance (although they may not have followed all his instructions).

 

Many Old School teachers take the karmic responsibility for whatever happens to the students they teach. Hence, they are often reluctant and very selective in who they teach.

 

I think this is more true with the more potentially dangerous methods.

 

This is good!

 

Try to explain Qi sickness to an E.R. doc and you might taste Thorazine... seen?

[sifusufi]

The Magus of Java arrived yesterday, at page 52 as we speak.

 

It is page 36 where John tells Kosta "About 20% full"

 

The Book practically reads itself

 

 

John Chang vs Mike Tyson link

[electric gravity]

most cultivators really dont understand dantian training. you can not reach all the potential by just meditating on that spot alone. you must be attuned to it.

 

when you have corretly connected to your dan tian you are saying that you are connected to your original life energy the very energy center of your whole being. Then you should have next to unlimited energy in your daily life. what most cultivators speak about is feeling warmness and a sense of well being when they dan tian train.

 

but there is so much more to it. (the above cases are just people feeling the residual energy from focusing on that spot.)

 

when you connect to the real living spinning energy ball and wake it up and become one with it you will have very powerful, strong, and radiant energy all the time.

 

please understand and look for this truth when training your dan tian.

Edited July 31, 2010 by electric gravity

[h.uriahr]

most cultivators really dont understand dantian training. you can not reach all the potential by just meditating on that spot alone. you must be attuned to it.

 

when you have corretly connected to your dan tian you are saying that you are connected to your original life energy the very energy center of your whole being. Then you should have next to unlimited energy in your daily life. what most cultivators speak about is feeling warmness and a sense of well being when they dan tian train.

 

but there is so much more to it. (the above cases are just people feeling the residual energy from focusing on that spot.)

 

when you connect to the real living spinning energy ball and wake it up and become one with it you will have very powerful, strong, and radiant energy all the time.

 

please understand and look for this truth when training your dan tian.

 

 

You dont just simply "connect" to it however. The most basic beginning dantien exercise in my lineage will only allow you to locate your dantien and feel the flow of your natural chi. I would call that a connection. However, performing that exercise over and over doesnt do any good.

 

This doesnt allow for you to have powerful energy all the time, unless I'm misunderstanding you.

 

This is of course my own uneducated opinion but here it goes.

 

You have 2 main types of cultivation. 1 is based on healing the body and the other is based on advancing the human beyond our first stage. An example of healing would be Xing Shen Zhuang or even simple tai chi flowing exercises. The second type would be anything that deals with compressing one of the 3 treasures and turning it into the next form.

 

Real power comes from compression training, whether you compress in the dantien or the bones, you need compression. I'm not saying that you cant develop a fair amount of energy from constant practice but the bottom line is that you need to cook it.

 

A few things that will bring power Gtummo, Tenaga Dalam, Neigong similar to Mo Pai, Internal Tai Chi and then whatever you'd classify Liping's system as, all of those can and will bring about alot of energy. As to the safety of those? A good teacher is the best safety net but I'd say train in Tenaga Dalam, Tai Chi or Liping's system.

 

Dont be confused when I say tai chi. Alot of tai chi is just an empty shell of what was once a powerful, yet safe and effective way to build internal power. However, this power , IMO, isnt solely martial...scratch that, this is for another thread.

 

I guess when it comes to it, I dont really know anything.

Excuse the rambling

[sifusufi]

 

Real power comes from compression training, whether you compress in the dantien or the bones, you need compression. I'm not saying that you cant develop a fair amount of energy from constant practice but the bottom line is that you need to cook it.

 

 

 

 

Could some experienced compressors please elaborate on how they do it

 

Thanks,

Rob

[mewtwo]

post standing helps compress chi into the dantian.

 

 

I think it does atleast. i could be wrong.

[sifusufi]

Could some experienced compressors please elaborate on how they do it

 

Thanks,

Rob

 

Not sure how congruent this is with compression but I stumbled on it right after asking the above question

 

http://video.yandex..../vc0t/view/213/

 

 

which reminded me of the Bob Cooley book and Dara Torres

 

 

[ben]

[ben]

[sifusufi]

http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?/topic/12933-john-chang-versus-mike-tyson/

 

Ok I SAW IT HAPPEN.....I was asked to keep it secret but I think you should know....

 

So JC was minding his own business, just happily playing poker in Vegas, by chance Tyson was on the same table.

 

JC obviously was winning, REAL BAD too, poor tyson had lost 1Million in this game. Tyson had noticed how well JC chose his moves, too well that is, as if he could read the other players cards.

 

Tyson got up to leave the table, but couldn't help but ask with his funny voice "You psychic or something man?!"

JC defensively snapped back at him with lightning in his eyes "You accuse me of cheating!?". Tyson was scared, knew something was different about this man, but the whole table was looking at them, and theres no way tyson can lose face like this, so he told JC "lets take it outside little man, I ll eat you alive".

 

JC slowly got up, looked tyson in the eyes and said "you dont knw who you mess with, bitch" zapping tysons ass with some chi, causing tyson to jump up. Tysons sudden movement sent his bodyguard into fight mode. They jumped him all at once, all 3 of them, but before they could get close to him they were repelled right back. Now tyson was spooked, his fear sent him into fight or flight mode, he should ve have chosen flight. JC played with him like a cat plays with a mouse, Tyson didnt know what to do so he charged jaw wide open right for JCs ear. He bit it, and bit down hard, you could hear the sound of his teeth braking as JC used his Iron Ear technique.

 

Tyson now exhausted and with more broken teeth than hes had through a lifetime of boxing decided to cut his losses, he looked at JC and asked "what are you?" Jc picked up his winnings from the table and slowly raised his head to look at Tyson "I am John Chang, level 52 master of Mo Pai, and your dantian is 2% full". He then simply picked up and left, leaving Tyson to wonder what all his training had been for, if he cannot even scratch a short little man half his size.

 

 

Thats it, That is what happened. I know it sounds unbelievable, but thats the truth.

 

 

Some more ideas:

 

 

Mike Tyson broke his had punching a guy in a bar fight...

 

but I would not want to fight M.T.

 

Cool that you would mention Mike Tyson as it was the above post that inspired me to start this one!

I wonder if he got some of Holyfield's kidney energy when he went for that ear?

 

Interesting aside here Holyfield is a member of that church in Georgia that the Rev Crefelo Dollar and his wife Taffy run that is being investigated by none other than the I.R.$. I wonder if Mr. Holyfield's awesome supercharged Mike Tyson earfeeding jing was acquired through tithing or training?!

 

I love this stuff

 

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=8zrwxmZ4sdU

 

But then again moderation (no pun intended) in all things!

 

Just havin' fun Mr. Tyson, Mr. Holyfield no disrespect intended for you are true warriors at heart

[Trash Filter]

most cultivators really dont understand dantian training. you can not reach all the potential by just meditating on that spot alone. you must be attuned to it.

 

when you have corretly connected to your dan tian you are saying that you are connected to your original life energy the very energy center of your whole being. Then you should have next to unlimited energy in your daily life. what most cultivators speak about is feeling warmness and a sense of well being when they dan tian train.

 

but there is so much more to it. (the above cases are just people feeling the residual energy from focusing on that spot.)

 

when you connect to the real living spinning energy ball and wake it up and become one with it you will have very powerful, strong, and radiant energy all the time.

 

please understand and look for this truth when training your dan tian.

 

Hey eletric, can you elaborate more on having a powerful, strong radiant energy?

Thks

 

TF

[Trash Filter]

oops

quite an old 1 isn't it.

[sifusufi]

Thanks to everyone for the responses!

 

I remember Peter Ralston speaking of lowering the center of gravity beneath the earth's surface, this may have been mentioned as a water drop exercise.

 

I would like to keep this going for further review, so if anyone can explain how they compress it would

be a great contribution.

 

Obrigado

[ben]

Thanks for sharing ben. Post-meditation today I had an insight about the lower dan tien, about its potential and how it relates to the whole human's potential.

 

Your image didn't appear, but I read the page that it was on:

 

 

 

ben: can you say more about the importance of "relearn[ing] to direct tendon movement from the psoas muscle."

 

Psoas muscle is a gym for you belly neurons, they don't call it the soul muscle for nothing. Use it or lose it as the saying goes. I will post more later.

[King Kabalabhati]

Psoas muscle is a gym for you belly neurons, they don't call it the soul muscle for nothing. Use it or lose it as the saying goes. I will post more later.

 

I have Mantak Chia's book "Energy Balance Through the Tao" which describes exercises that focus on the psoas. They're very pleasant and in the beginning you may get all these nice sensations and even emotions releasing from waking up these muscles.

[fizix]

Compression, especially dan tian, can be very dangerous; it is advanced technique and should not be practiced until one's energy centers are overflowing full with chi and throughout the meridians. Holding breath and muscular/energetic squeezing is the foundation and key to compression. . And yes, as was said before, compression is when the true power unfolds... do not rush into it, for premature compression can lead to very unwanted side effects.

[ben]

I have Mantak Chia's book "Energy Balance Through the Tao" which describes exercises that focus on the psoas. They're very pleasant and in the beginning you may get all these nice sensations and even emotions releasing from waking up these muscles.

Chia's work is some of the best when it comes to laying a Taosit foundation. Dao Yin, Inner smile, Embracing the Tree, Tai Chi Chi Kung are not neo-taoism. The petty ego trips of matial artists piss me off. Compression is unavoidable in authentic Chinese cultivation. Westerners are very well equiped for dealing with emoitional purging. Bye.

[ben]

Compression, especially dan tian, can be very dangerous; it is advanced technique and should not be practiced until one's energy centers are overflowing full with chi and throughout the meridians. Holding breath and muscular/energetic squeezing is the foundation and key to compression. . And yes, as was said before, compression is when the true power unfolds... do not rush into it, for premature compression can lead to very unwanted side effects.

What is 'overflowing with function' ? What is a meridian?

[ben]

[orb]

The precision of Chinese medicine has been lost in Western translation and cultural imperialism. Firstly, early Chinese medical research was rooted in physiological studies based on post mortem dissection. They were very good at killing one other, they had no shortage of bodies. The conservative estimate on the discovery of blood circulation is 200bc. I would go back much, much further try Paleo-Neolithic- Im serious. They were smarted than anyone, bones have been discovered as precursors to acupuncture needles. The energy-meridian model was a mistranslation of chi as energy by a Frenchman called Soulie de Morant. (I still dont have a clue what energy is, its very elusive word but I digress.) Qi can also mean air, atmosphere, weather conditions and much more.

Meridan is a substitution for nodes or critical junctures formed where collateral branches of deeper distribution blood vessels supply the body surface. Dr. Donald Kendall.

The above dose not imply that I dont believe in chi healing :I do; or that chi kung is simply about increased blood flow and not a deeply nourishing and sophisticated way to embody the macrocosm; or that channel theory and alchemy is neo-Taoism etc. I believe immortality is the complete evolution and bio-recognition of the belly neurons. That was a mouthful and a guess, I will leave with a quote from Dr. Donald Kendall's book Dao of Chinese Medicine:

 

One of the truly unique discoveries of the Chinese was their recognition that those neurovascular nodes (acupoints) located on the body, associated with superficial vessel branching and related nerves, could reflect disease conditions in the internal organs. Body-organ, or somatovisceral, relationships were established by the Chinese through correlating the location of body pain with observed problems in particular organs.

 

P.S. all this originated from Chinese Shamanism and tiger women, rrrrrrrrrrrrgggg.

 

Your explanations are very well documented and your quotes are very insightfull (except the Mantak Chia reference - please allow me to have my doubts about that clown...). Even the fact that you are replying to your own posts presents a certain charm. Now I have one question for you but please respond to me in simple terms with no quotes but rather with your own words: what exactly have you achieved through all these practices that a non-practitioner doesn't have? I'll give you an example. Let's say Mike Tyson punched a bag like a dumbass for 10 years and as a result developed an ability - he can now strike a man harder then anybody else on the planet (Or let's say he is in the top 100 best punchers in the world). So he can clearly demonstrate a result.

Can you demonstrate anything? Or are you just practicing the way for practicing the way without a specific goal in mind?

Edited January 25, 2011 by orb

[sifusufi]

Your explanations are very well documented and your quotes are very insightfull (except the Mantak Chia reference - please allow me to have my doubts about that clown...). Even the fact that you are replying to your own posts presents a certain charm. Now I have one question for you but please respond to me in simple terms with no quotes but rather with your own words: what exactly have you achieved through all these practices that a non-practitioner doesn't have? I'll give you an example. Let's say Mike Tyson punched a bag like a dumbass for 10 years and as a result developed an ability - he can now strike a man harder then anybody else on the planet (Or let's say he is in the top 100 best punchers in the world). So he can clearly demonstrate a result.

Can you demonstrate anything? Or are you just practicing the way for practicing the way without a specific goal in mind?

 

Deep thanks for all the input everyone!

 

Personally speaking I did demonstrate while my Zhan Zhaung practice was in gear was charsima and a high level of self confidence similar to pumping iron.

 

So with compression... would sealing up the area located near the hui yin, holding the breath and forcing visualized energy into an area qualify as compression?

[Kali Yuga]

So with compression... would sealing up the area located near the hui yin, holding the breath and forcing visualized energy into an area qualify as compression?

 

You've almost got it. But you need a synchronized set of certain body movements while holding that breath. Dantien compression is incredibly hard, and is not for your average bear. Most people will not be willing to undergo the effort that it entails, which is why unless you can be intensely dedicated for years on end, you can't expect to get anywhere with it. better go do tai-chi or some other stuff, it will be much more fun.

[sifusufi]

So this is appearing to be more congruent with what Pavel Tsatsouline, Bob Cooley, and Dara Torres are working. Yes?

 

Thanks everyone